MARELLI MJET impariamola!

[Danny]

perhaps you're confusing? if the injector spray more to inject more fuel in less time then you can/you have to lower the pressure.

And this is because? Have equal pressure, and have time even shorter, don't you think it a convenience?
Anyway, the problem is still there...Study and understand because you strattona.
It's easier than you think.

[alex210392]

And this is because? Have equal pressure, and have time even shorter, don't you think it a convenience?
Anyway, the problem is still there...Study and understand because you strattona.
It's easier than you think.

definitely something I gets out of hand, and an eye, there will be some other control bit that causes it to go intermittent from 3000 rpm onwards, and then agonize with the indicator light mil and related errors posted a few posts ago

[Danny]

They have nothing to do individual bits.

[lsdlsd88]

And this is because? Have equal pressure, and have time even shorter, don't you think it a convenience?
if you have EOI low was a convenience don't you think that would have always made going to the rail at the maximum pressure possible?

[Danny]

Valla to make a pump that holds up to 1600 bar to 1800 rpm...
Not surprisingly, at the same injectors, the 90 turns 200 bar in most of the 75, series.

[lsdlsd88]

not because it should inject a little more fuel also? but then I've never talked about 1800 rpm? take well as the regimes where the pump can function to the maximum, say from 2500 to 4500. you have 1600 bar fixed? no. if it was an advantage do you think would not?

[Danny]

Turn the question.
If this is not an advantage, is a disadvantage.
Why?

[alex210392]

They have nothing to do individual bits.

what should be adapted? the bit release measured real and I found them

[lsdlsd88]

Turn the question.
If this is not an advantage, is a disadvantage.
Why?

we say that "each thing has its time".
if you inject too early means that the fuel will burn too soon. the better you have it when the fuel burns slowly (to have time to mix with oxygen), and at the right time.

[Danny]

absolutely agree...but consider that, then the diesel becomes much!
And surely, the time would still be too much!

[lsdlsd88]

absolutely agree...but consider that, then the diesel becomes much!
And surely, the time would still be too much!

but I have not talked about the quantities of diesel. I say that if "widen the holes" of the injectors, and you have to recalibrate the maps duration, and you'll find the times too short, then lower the SOI and the rail is mandatory IMHO.

if, instead, you bash, and leave the original times, it is as if I did a map deceived, then changing to inject more fuel because you open them for the same time as the ori. at that point, surely the fumes.

I'm perplexed about the utility of the change is less than the preparations of the extreme, why to see the original times are very oversized.
that is, what powers are we talking about?

[Danny]

It is the responsibility, that need to be recalculated the times, is undeniable.
but the address you set, it was different.
You said that it should be down rail, to switch on so you have time, however short. It is true, if you have an injector more stringent, to calculate the time (ammeso that you know the iq and the us to the various p-rail) in function of the new injector, but because you have to lower the rail?
Mainly the changes to have an injected faster, at least at the same rail pressure, but certainly not lower.
Cavalry, the 1.3 passes the 200 with injection semistock, cp1k3 and 183

[cinqueturbo]

With a turbo GTB1446Z i.e. 1.6 Mjet do not need the injectors, and increased rail pressure in the stars,etc., etc.
if one does not know how to get them to give the right fuel at the right time in just the atomizers of the 150cv mjet..
I have several cars with these mods and bench safely pull the Real 180hp at 1.8 Bar other than Abarth ;)

[Danny]

180 hp at 1.8 bar? : confused:

[alex210392]

With a turbo GTB1446Z i.e. 1.6 Mjet do not need the injectors, and increased rail pressure in the stars,etc., etc.
if one does not know how to get them to give the right fuel at the right time in just the atomizers of the 150cv mjet..
I have several cars with these mods and bench safely pull the Real 180hp at 1.8 Bar other than Abarth ;)

the GTB1446Z is geo variable I that of 105 hp at geo fixed should be the gt1446sz if memory serves me correctly, for the atomizers I have advised those of the 147 1.9, for now, the troubles I can get to 1.6 with injector ori because it seems to me useless to go over it with a little diesel fuel injected

[cinqueturbo]

180 hp at 1.8 bar? : confused:

11244

A few? Too many?

[cinqueturbo]

the GTB1446Z is geo variable I that of 105 hp at geo fixed should be the gt1446sz if memory serves me correctly, for the atomizers I have advised those of the 147 1.9, for now, the troubles I can get to 1.6 with injector ori because it seems to me useless to go over it with a little diesel fuel injected

You are at geo.. you because you have opted to a with a WG?

[Danny]

Starting from the assumption that does not seem to me a tour, but a rolled virtual.
in addition, very little the couple to have 180 hp.
Then, a 1446 that is power masssima later turbo big ones, I missed...

Alex, you don't need the sprayers. Study and see that go ahead.

[lsdlsd88]

Mainly the changes to have an injected faster, at least at the same rail pressure, but certainly not lower.
Cavalry, the 1.3 passes the 200 with injection semistock, cp1k3 and 183

yeah right but what are we talking about? I was referring to the amount for pseudo-ori, or at least the rail pressure request in the columns corresponding to the quantity gold.
if then I speak of 100mm3 due to the biip that you need more rail as possible.

[alex210392]

You are at geo.. you because you have opted to a with a WG?

I opted for this solution because it already was mounted and changed to 1.3 mjt, was mounted on a great point elaborated a friend of mine who now mounts the turbine of 2.0 mjt

[cinqueturbo]

Starting from the assumption that does not seem to me a tour, but a rolled virtual.
in addition, very little the couple to have 180 hp.
Then, a 1446 that is power masssima later turbo big ones, I missed...

Alex, you don't need the sprayers. Study and see that go ahead.

Tour roller 2x2 old but working..
287,7 NM you seem to be a few, but when they jump the gears are too..
Then, a 1446 that is power masssima later turbo big ones, I missed...
1500RPM 80cv
2000RPM 115hp
2500RPM 160cv
3000RPM 180 hp
learn how to read charts

[Danny]

We do that maybe first places the rolled properly, not made with power din obd 1.4 (not a tour the old, but in the virtual of 28 9 2009.
Then we have that 180 hp at 3000 rpm are pure utopia ....
Then let's calm down :D

[lsdlsd88]

Tour roller 2x2 old but working..
287,7 NM you seem to be a few, but when they jump the gears are too..

1500RPM 80cv
2000RPM 115hp
2500RPM 160cv
3000RPM 180 hp
learn how to read charts

I can't see the image but I guarantee you that you're taking a crab huge.

180 hp at 3k rpm 427 Nm. if mathematics is not an opinion. consequently, it is pure utopia.

[Ela.Toretto]

Erre erre that combines? We can all make mistakes and according to me the part offensive you could save, Danny, you was just trying to explain that maybe your reasoning is not correct... Address rail I with the same turbine and the map informed, going from 1480 to 1600 bar, the difference is I view it (because if you notice in the last few years you are just looking for the increase of the rail pressure in all engines from all the mothers... That have taken a crab all??? There impuntate regardless ������

[lsdlsd88]

Speech rail I with the same turbine and the map informed, going from 1480 to 1600 bar, the difference is I view it (because if you notice in the last few years you are just looking for the increase of the rail pressure in all engines from all the mothers... That have taken a crab all???
yes, but here he was talking of another thing.
did you put the injectors bigger?

[Ela.Toretto]

For me the topic of discussion is the prex of the rail and of how and why to take it to 1600 without jerking at 3000 rpm, then everything else came after...***** o I injection stock.... The 180 hp at 3000 I let them lose ������

[Danny]

I'm not stupid: D
Regarding the rail, however, for me, it is always better to have the injection is shorter. It is true that at the top they all tend to get off the rail, but it is also true that they are very limited after the 4000, so it would be useless to have 1600 bar and 20/15 mm3.

[Errecinque]

Erre erre that combines? We can all make mistakes and according to me the part offensive you could save, Danny, you was just trying to explain that maybe your reasoning is not correct... Address rail I with the same turbine and the map informed, going from 1480 to 1600 bar, the difference is I view it (because if you notice in the last few years you are just looking for the increase of the rail pressure in all engines from all the mothers... That have taken a crab all??? There impuntate regardless ������

Oh I was not there within nothing....you have mistaken Nick, but it seems strange that cinqueturbo shots caxxate free and on the ecu is very prepared, of course 180 hp at 3000 rpm I stink even to me with so little torque, in theory, should pull at least 5000. It is still a 1.3

[cinqueturbo]

Of course, if you believe that a 40-year shoot shit for free or for complacency, should I change the forum..

I know I tell you now after 20 minutes the cell that the software that seems to be the virtual acquires RPM temperatures etc., from the car because diesel..
on gasoline this tour has other connections..

The pane on the roll that I posted has Maximum Torque at 3500RPM. 183cv to 5500RPM
I have other charts of this car with different maps and different problems arising as giving + pair etc
as the slippage of the clutch etc
perhaps I gave the numbers wrong graph, but is not this the point, and here I close the speech..

[Ela.Toretto]

Oh I was not there within nothing....you have mistaken Nick, but it seems strange that cinqueturbo shots caxxate free and on the ecu is very prepared, of course 180 hp at 3000 rpm I stink even to me with so little torque, in theory, should pull at least 5000. It is still a 1.3

Erre-I'm sorry, I know that fooled by the profile picture xD I apologize

[Ela.Toretto]

Of course, if you believe that a 40-year shoot shit for free or for complacency, should I change the forum..

I know I tell you now after 20 minutes the cell that the software that seems to be the virtual acquires RPM temperatures etc., from the car because diesel..
on gasoline this tour has other connections..

The pane on the roll that I posted has Maximum Torque at 3500RPM. 183cv to 5500RPM
I have other charts of this car with different maps and different problems arising as giving + pair etc
as the slippage of the clutch etc
perhaps I gave the numbers wrong graph, but is not this the point, and here I close the speech..
Five no one wants to accuse anyone, but you know that one that reads 180 hp at 3000 rpm, with a 1,3 mjet, he says, and that is there air? however, if you said that the couple had not been increased the way one asks the couple no capacity manco and sti hp do they come out? that's all...

[Danny]

Put it this way.
If you believe that a guy of 27 years says *********, we can finish the discussion here.
Let's go with order.
The software, is not a tour, but a tour virtual. Captures rightly the data, to be able to calculate, in function of gear ratios included, coefficients, weight and more, the power.

Let's admit it all. Have you tried uphill, and downhill, and never in the plains. ( so I see in the comparison between the two graphs)

About the values I have two things to point out.
1)you said to Me that I didn't know to read a chart, and you said to me that he had the max power at 3000 rpm.
2)you're telling Me that has maximum power at 5500 rpm and max torque at 3500.

Admittedly, I do not know how to read the chart, having any chart in front of a 1.3, if you find maximum power at 3000, you know that is impossible... So before you tell me to learn to read a chart, be careful what you write.
Also, I get to say what I said. Explain to me xke with a 14, make power than a turbo much bigger?

[Danny]

I didn't want to kill the discussion....
xD

[puntospeed1.3]

Eh, if you take Na panda 4x4 is doing the same thing (from which comes the file golds that she used).
Ok reason, it's simple, if you know it: D hello dann. Sorry for the delay if I recite this answer... clearly late
With the file ori of the panda 4x4 which is the launch already. You could cancel it ? To know the area.. the map, as you say,
Where to act x who knows. Thanks.

[henry pontoons]

11244

A few? Too many?

not to do the sapientone....ma in my opinion they are a little too many:) I think they are about 150 real at the braked bench. Otherwise with a 1549 or a gtd1449 what would you be able to pull off with stock injection? : D

[Danny]

Henry, 1549 , cp1k3 stock, you will make 200 hp, on the basis of mjt1

[henry pontoons]

Henry, 1549 , cp1k3 stock, you will make 200 hp, on the basis of mjt1

with the injectors stock? with how much pressure? I see it very hard....then the cp1k3 is not the one that mounts the 75 hp? which, moreover, holds the pressure of the cp1h3...

[Danny]

2.5 fixed bars, cp1k3 R55..... They do! : D

[henry pontoons]

2.5 fixed bars, cp1k3 R55..... They do! : D

so according to your reasoning I with the gtd1449 that runs at 3 bar with stock injectors and cp1h3 stock I do more than 200 hp? : D I can tell you instead that between my injectors (90 hp) and those of the 95 hp m2

[Danny]

Enrico, I did 194cv with cp1k3 stock R55, nozzle and 1549.over 200 1549 and cp1h3 and inj stock, but on the basis of mjt 2.

[bob125]

I really do not know what is, but this is not the limiter pressure hose..

Let's examine the map main injection as it is called in the ECM, it is a map, 16 x 24 ( 16 columns and 24-line) visible to 16bit, many argue that it is a map inverted, others not.. but the concept of the interpretation of the map and all wrong, in fact, not the year of the rpm x load, etc.. but bens? on the X-axis we have the Rail pressure while on the Y-axis the amount? injected IQ measured in mm3/str (mm3/stroke)
the name of the map ?: SR - Main inj. ctrl - Injector map for small Qmain: f(Prail,Qmain)
value X = (2 x Eprom) -100 offset - pressure
value Y = (0,002930 x eprom) - IQ

...and then? if each curve does not correspond to the rpm, what is? for example the curve to the right ( the highest)what is? at high pressures?? iq high?
I can tell you that removing a grid of 40 points in the lower right quadrant, right side) the machine is emptied at the bottom, and in the first piece, throttle, for me this seems all reversed!!

[bob125]

the damos, however, should say if ? positive, negative, or no...
from the shape of the map according to me...the last curve on the right,the most high of all,it corresponds to the injection time for the bottom press rail and the lower amount? injected....in fact, the time of injection ? very long..***** and in a normal map Tinj where in fact the curve is trovva at the beginning of all the others looking at the map always in 2d..

Hi munro, I wanted to ask you if you think that always so? this your sentence has enlightened me and I'll explain why:I happened to be on the point 70 hp
removing a grid of 40 points in the lower right quadrant, right side) the machine is emptied at the bottom, and in the first piece, throttle, for me this seems all reversed!! in practice, I've taken off in the last 4-5 curves to the right 40 points in the lower part of the curves, thus acting in the first part of the stroke of the throttle and at low revs...even at idle...not puzzzava more!! ah ah there I knew nothing more until I read your sentence..

[bob125]

Hello Turbo,
the first three lim ok
the other 3 I didn't know them and I have them stand up to the quota of the first 3 although I have not checked to
for the times however I did not go back because removing a grid of 40 points in the lower right quadrant, right side) the machine is emptied at the bottom, and in the first piece, throttle, for me this seems all reversed!!

[bob125]

Guys but really do we do?
here are the basics, but really the basics...
I say but how and possible..
These are all the limiters primary cio? the important ones
065AC0-065AD0 you read to the contrary
065AE0-065AF0 you read to the contrary
0680F8-068108 you read to the contrary
the cio? where you see the 4500giri are in reality 900giri where and 700 in reality are 5000
065416-065436
065444-065458
06548C-0654BC
these wood normally..
068A44-068D42 injection zoned reads, in my opinion, normally..
then Pressure reil ir? salt pi? decrease the time in the us..
the first step as I call down-to-earth..
and square I took off whims with the so-called professionals..
engines, stok..
but the basics are these other maps are secondary if not irrelevant..
you driver wish it would be appropriate,
but try to only give 1000 points to the lim torque and a 5-15% at the time of injection in the right way and you will see the difference..
Now fleece placed on a tray of solid gold.
I am convinced of what I say now it's up to you smentirmi..
to you the word.

Hello Turbo,
the first three lim ok
the other 3 I didn't know them and I have them stand up to the quota of the first 3 although I have not checked to
for the times however I did not go back because removing a grid of 40 points in the lower right quadrant, right side) the machine is emptied at the bottom, and in the first piece, throttle, for me this seems all reversed!!

[bob125]

I had not mentioned, turbo....

[bob125]

According to me the hole ? due primarily to map the pedal and the torque limiter f. temp coolant. According to me, should be read to the contrary that, according to you?

in the maps pedal I read every single curve in contrast, but the curves of the load to grow would seem to be correct..what do you think??
the limiter torque f.temp be. I don't understand!! it would seem, on the contrary, both the individual curves all put together!!

[bob125]

Five turbo agree that law to the contrary, but .. (I did the following test if all lacolonna 3000 to 4500 I tabbellare all 0 value the machine accelerates and stops at 3000
if I do a vice versa, i.e. to 700 rpm up to 1000 laps in tabbellare the machina I accellerea

then I should understand that the 1 torque limiter is the map in the right direction




then the first limiter is to be read in the right direction ......

Really?? the asp, then the 2 limiters in the dome, you read it right??

[bob125]

after a long time that is not participating in this discussion, I re-read all the 15 pages that I missed and I would like to express my thoughts on a few
post that intrigued me, such as the screen of the anniver map the pedal with those values set to zero, well, from what I understand the x-axis
of the engine rpm must be read from right to left (where the ecm says 85 rpm should be 5300), then moddato so it does not surprise me that a 5200 stops, the torque demand ? equal to zero.
and as far as the limiter torque as a function of temperature, if I understood well talk about what ecm called the torque limiter #2,
to me what seems to be a kind of ratio of the air/fuel in fact, by multiplying the value of the z-axis to 0,001302 (conversion factor afr) I find myself with realistic values
of approximately 11.5 - 12; if we talk about the map

Hello Dariuccio..
here's...and then as caspiterina you tap? then it is not a limiter? then if you put them as the limiters make a mess!!

[Errecinque]

in the maps pedal I read every single curve in contrast, but the curves of the load to grow would seem to be correct..what do you think??
the limiter torque f.temp be. I don't understand!! it would seem, on the contrary, both the individual curves all put together!!

In the end I came to the conclusion, and I think it is correct that the maps pedal are read normally, in 2d there are 8 cakes that are the percentages pedal and every point in the speed range from 0 to 5700

[alex210392]

In the end I came to the conclusion, and I think it is correct that the maps pedal are read normally, in 2d there are 8 cakes that are the percentages pedal and every point in the speed range from 0 to 5700

then you would read from left ----> dx the values of each curve?

[Errecinque]

then you would read from left ----> dx the values of each curve?
Exactly, instead of the prex rail, for example, no, it's the opposite

[bob125]

In the end I came to the conclusion, and I think it is correct that the maps pedal are read normally, in 2d there are 8 cakes that are the percentages pedal and every point in the speed range from 0 to 5700

I know that you are right, even when confronted with another person has told me that this is so!! poicheè in practice, at low load you have requests for torque at low rpm, while at load high the requests move to the rpm higher..
I have to try so..I will tell you if it's better!! also why is there so can you give riesta torque where you need it and get the pedal how you want..

[bob125]

I thought I understood the times, instead of a test on the machine has put me in confusion..
the lowering of the 40 points the the middle to bottom of the curves larger ( in theory high-load and high rpm; in both tabular quadrant lower right) the car has lost low and in the first part of the pedal...sig how is that possible??

[bob125]

Exactly, instead of the prex rail, for example, no, it's the opposite

I agree!! according to you, upping the pressure at a given point increase in The iq, or higher pressures correspond to times of low( as we are taught by the map times), but the iq remains the same??

[alex210392]

I agree!! according to you, upping the pressure at a given point increase in The iq, or higher pressures correspond to times of low( as we are taught by the map times), but the iq remains the same??
by increasing rail pressure at certain points also remaining the times gold should theoretically increase iq, because with the same opening times, the diesel will be injected faster due to the increase of rail pressure data above and then will come the most diesel

[alex210392]

Exactly, instead of the prex rail, for example, no, it's the opposite

ahahaha you believe me if I tell you that I'm going in confusion?
therefore, by increasing the pedal in this way in the map that I am attaching I have given torque at low revs, giving just a little to high?

[bob125]

I can't still download...sig
if you increased the left of the curves are probably....I had also done that...now I feel the opposite!

[bob125]

by increasing rail pressure at certain points also remaining the times gold should theoretically increase iq, because with the same opening times, the diesel will be injected faster due to the increase of rail pressure data above and then will come the most diesel

I don't know...the fact is that the maps are connected.. so when you ask a certain iq from the pedal, the map works on the curve iq( one of the times to understand) and depending on the pressure you have selected in the map rail the law in a certain point of the curve ...if you give more pressure on the map rail, he reads in the part lower than the curve time ( to the right)but the iq request does not change..

[bob125]

the damos, however, should say if ? positive, negative, or no...
from the shape of the map according to me...the last curve on the right,the most high of all,it corresponds to the injection time for the bottom press rail and the lower amount? injected....in fact, the time of injection ? very long..***** and in a normal map Tinj where in fact the curve is trovva at the beginning of all the others looking at the map always in 2d..

if rail pressure is not, then is it possible that the map time is, as it says munro above!!
just do a test and reset three or 4 curves iq to the left then to the right...this is the only way you take away the doubts...I know

[Errecinque]

ahahaha you believe me if I tell you that I'm going in confusion?
therefore, by increasing the pedal in this way in the map that I am attaching I have given torque at low revs, giving just a little to high?

Eh the day that you will be able to open a 2d map cn android I will be able to respond more quickly......

[sisco]

Eh the day that you will be able to open a 2d map cn android I will be able to respond more quickly......

Hi Erre, with this you should be able to do, MapAnalyzer Mobile for Android v0.1.2 [Alpha]

[Errecinque]

Hi Erre, with this you should be able to do, MapAnalyzer Mobile for Android v0.1.2 [Alpha]

You're always in the right place at the right time, great sisco

[michell]

hi guys I would like an opinion from experts in the field of mod rail pressure and turbo the car is fine ,runs at a peak of 2 bar and a constant of 1.6, I can't complain.... pero I wanted some big expert on this ecu could give me some advice....
and then if it was possible for me and remained a riddle ....
someone managed to do this blessed launch control that I'm the guy he's really smashing the........ I've done some test but I can not ..... thanks to those who
he'll lose those 5 minutes,,.......11408

[Fede78]

hi guys I would like an opinion from experts in the field of mod rail pressure and turbo the car is fine ,runs at a peak of 2 bar and a constant of 1.6, I can't complain.... pero I wanted some big expert on this ecu could give me some advice....
and then if it was possible for me and remained a riddle ....
someone managed to do this blessed launch control that I'm the guy he's really smashing the........ I've done some test but I can not ..... thanks to those who
he'll lose those 5 minutes,,.......11408
Sorry, that turbo mounts?
Thanks

[michell]

the car has no engine 95cv complete with everything except the rail and that of the 70cv...
then electronic 70cv
Sorry, that turbo mounts?
Thanks

[Fede78]

But how do you manage the turbo vgt of 95cv?

[alex210392]

But how do you manage the turbo vgt of 95cv?

I think this has changed with polmoncino the tyre, thus avoiding the electronic management of this

[Fede78]

I think this has changed with polmoncino the tyre, thus avoiding the electronic management of this

Then work with a wastegate that manages the geometry?

[michell]

it is not working anymore depression, but the pressure and it works fine ...

[alex210392]

it is not working anymore depression, but the pressure and it works fine ...
as I imagined ;)

[salvatoreragonese]

I think this has changed with polmoncino the tyre, thus avoiding the electronic management of this
Hello 95cv also carries the electrical part in the polmoncino without that should not be in failure?

[alex210392]

Hello 95cv also carries the electrical part in the polmoncino without that should not be in failure?

Hello, no the charger is not designed minimamemte from the time that it is handling the whole wiring 70cv and it is known that on the 70 hp management turbo is inactive from the map, but reads the pressure of the excess pressure via the map sensor located on intake manifold

[salvatoreragonese]

Hello, no the charger is not designed minimamemte from the time that it is handling the whole wiring 70cv and it is known that on the 70 hp management turbo is inactive from the map, but reads the pressure of the excess pressure via the map sensor located on intake manifold
Ah forgive me I thought that he was on the point new I had not read well! But someone knows what for sure the electrical part?

[alex210392]

Ah forgive me I thought that he was on the point new I had not read well! But someone knows what for sure the electrical part?

Serves to adjust the opening of the blades for the geo variable

[salvatoreragonese]

Serves to adjust the opening of the blades for the geo variable

According to me law the position because q c is the depression

[alex210392]

According to me law the position because q c is the depression
I am not concerned because I don't remember so well but maybe you're right because the vacuum pump has a tube that comes up to the solenoid valve of an overboost also electronically controlled

[Fede78]

hi guys I would like an opinion from experts in the field of mod rail pressure and turbo the car is fine ,runs at a peak of 2 bar and a constant of 1.6, I can't complain.... pero I wanted some big expert on this ecu could give me some advice....
and then if it was possible for me and remained a riddle ....
someone managed to do this blessed launch control that I'm the guy he's really smashing the........ I've done some test but I can not ..... thanks to those who
he'll lose those 5 minutes,,.......11408
I gave a look at the map, a application maps 65B30 and 65D70 should be maps, lambda, should not be decremented instead of incremented?

[alex210392]

I gave a look at the map, a application maps 65B30 and 65D70 should be maps, lambda, should not be decremented instead of incremented?

in the moment in which, like in my probe is missing physically because it is not expected (opel corsa 1.3), there are benefits moddare these maps?

[Fede78]

in the moment in which, like in my probe is missing physically because it is not expected (opel corsa 1.3), there are benefits moddare these maps?

Indeed, even in the point 1.3 70cv there is no probe... however, if you want to edit in any case should not be decreased?

[lsdlsd88]

It is unclear to me who has put in around the belief that maps lambda centrino something with the lambda probe.

The term lambda means only a unit of measurement of the AFR.

[cinqueturbo]

Also called the Air Flow Research = stoichiometric ratio

[lsdlsd88]

AIR FLOW RATIO would be hahhah

and is not a synonym of stoichiometric ratio. the stoichiometric ratio is a PARTICULAR value of AFR depends on the fuel, for example, 14.5 for diesel oirca 9.8 for E85 ethanol, etc etc..

[lsdlsd88]

here is make me confuse, of course is AIR FUEL RATIO....

[cinqueturbo]

here is make me confuse, of course is AIR FUEL RATIO....

Misspelled pardon.. :)

Little tip

your displacements and "1300"?

1300/4 Cylinders = 325 "capacity x1 cylinder"

325 x 1.5 "boost" = 487,5 "capacity mass air x 1 cylinder"

487,5/ 14,5 "AFR" 33,62 mg

then for your engine with a pressure of 1,500 mbar
it takes almost 34mg of diesel fuel to have a stechio 14.5..

[lsdlsd88]

it is not so simple.

we forget the air density (which is different depending on IAT and PATM), and the volumetric efficiency of the engine which varies substantially on the basis of the rpm and mainly depends on the camshaft, the restriction in the intake, optimization of the intake ducts, etc...

[cinqueturbo]

it is not so simple.

we forget the air density (which is different depending on IAT and PATM), and the volumetric efficiency of the engine which varies substantially on the basis of the rpm and mainly depends on the camshaft, the restriction in the intake, optimization of the intake ducts, etc...

Sorry you miss the Like button:) bravo...

[Fede78]

However, these maps lambda should be decremented right?
I have to say thanks michell, who taking a cue from this map posted I've made some changes and I was able to edit my map and turn to 1600 bar, which in my tests of a few years the pressure going up and down and cut..
From the file posted by michell, however, lacks the limiter of the rail function to the temperature of the diesel fuel.
I have the engine, 70 hp, flute and regulator of the 90 hp injectors, 95 hp and BV35 (for now works at 1.2 bar)
Saw that I now have a wastegate that manages the geometry if I put, however, a faucet I could up the pressure as you do about the kp35 original no? at least 1.5 bar should keep?

[bob125]

However, these maps lambda should be decremented right?
I have to say thanks michell, who taking a cue from this map posted I've made some changes and I was able to edit my map and turn to 1600 bar, which in my tests of a few years the pressure going up and down and cut..
From the file posted by michell, however, lacks the limiter of the rail function to the temperature of the diesel fuel.
I have the engine, 70 hp, flute and regulator of the 90 hp injectors, 95 hp and BV35 (for now works at 1.2 bar)
Saw that I now have a wastegate that manages the geometry if I put, however, a faucet I could up the pressure as you do about the kp35 original no? at least 1.5 bar should keep?

Caspiterina, it is not facipe raise is the pressure of 70 hp...I'm trying to a point but there is a lot of stuff to change, among other things, maps which you don't understand well..I can try to summarize, Faith, would you help me?

[bob125]

a bit 6748e (775 value , by lead type, 875....1650 bar)

674be ...are many curves with peaks at 199...***** and is the mod...what is it? on the axes of the press turbo and rpm

67946 8x8 ...a curve that goes from 100 to 1200....that is?

675be there is the map pressure classic!! that I understand...:-)

67a06 a bit at 1500??

677be temp /iq-550 is the max value...hummm

Then there is another one??

[Fede78]

6748E prailrefmaximum limitation value eeprom*2 -100
674BE lim rail f (boost) eeprom * 7.51
67946 I don't know
675BE the rail pressure
67A06 lim rail (temp, fuel) I have changed the whole map
677BE I don't know.. and I have not touched


then I would say
605BA rail max pressure
655D4 line HPUb1 - Rail pressure upper bound
655D8 line HPUb2 - Rail pressure upper bound


But you see that I run away a few bits in the map of michell is changed.
Also having my point 1065P351 I took this as a base and made some changes without having time to figure out which bits were
Let's say that the way it is, that file works to 1400 bar, changing 67A06 and 674BE instead, he goes to 1600 bar without any errors
Then I don't know if also serves as the regulator of pressure of 90 hp or if the functions of the 70 hp. I have the 90hp together with the flute (it is a change with a t for a return of the diesel)

[bob125]

6748E prailrefmaximum limitation value eeprom*2 -100
674BE lim rail f (boost) eeprom * 7.51
67946 I don't know
675BE the rail pressure
67A06 lim rail (temp, fuel) I have changed the whole map
677BE I don't know.. and I have not touched


then I would say
605BA rail max pressure
655D4 line HPUb1 - Rail pressure upper bound
655D8 line HPUb2 - Rail pressure upper bound


But you see that I run away a few bits in the map of michell is changed.
Also having my point 1065P351 I took this as a base and made some changes without having time to figure out which bits were
Let's say that the way it is, that file works to 1400 bar, changing 67A06 and 674BE instead, he goes to 1600 bar without any errors
Then I don't know if also serves as the regulator of pressure of 90 hp or if the functions of the 70 hp. I have the 90hp together with the flute (it is a change with a t for a return of the diesel)
Humm...I can't even download..
sorry, but the limiter rail, after the rail, what they call a ladder did you modify it? to 677de

[bob125]

the 674be the you've raised it all? the toes high-are at 199..you brought type 214?

[bob125]

sorry, but then if on a road 85cv (cos? they say....) I have golds in the table the value max to 192 means 192x14,5=2784 - 1000 = 1784mbar......I'm not a p? too many?

Hi erre, those values are relative to the variable geometry vgt..192= 75%...and it's all closed

[bob125]

However, these maps lambda should be decremented right?
I have to say thanks michell, who taking a cue from this map posted I've made some changes and I was able to edit my map and turn to 1600 bar, which in my tests of a few years the pressure going up and down and cut..
From the file posted by michell, however, lacks the limiter of the rail function to the temperature of the diesel fuel.
I have the engine, 70 hp, flute and regulator of the 90 hp injectors, 95 hp and BV35 (for now works at 1.2 bar)
Saw that I now have a wastegate that manages the geometry if I put, however, a faucet I could up the pressure as you do about the kp35 original no? at least 1.5 bar should keep?

Faith, but the turbo of the 90 or 95, ( I don't know if they are the same) have the same attack of the 70's??
in my 70 the turbo has the game( post...the palette, touch the nut!!) and I have to change it...that I put??
The lambda, or afr, marelli, must be lowered...as we should understand it with the log!!;-)

[alex210392]

Faith, but the turbo of the 90 or 95, ( I don't know if they are the same) have the same attack of the 70's??
in my 70 the turbo has the game( post...the palette, touch the nut!!) and I have to change it...that I put??
The lambda, or afr, marelli, must be lowered...as we should understand it with the log!!;-)
Should be the same attack as the cylinder head is identical then identical with the manifold, you may need to change the hoses/drain the oil turbine and possibly weld the gas pipe and exhaust if you're not, I say this because on my 1.3 I have made a change of the genre but with a turbine that is derived from the engine giulietta 1.6

[Fede78]

The turbo 90 hp must be changing by mounting a wastegate that can handle the geometry, then there is a water pipe and the pipe of the back of the turbo. The manifold is not from the tap.
I want to put on the GTB1549 that if I'm not mistaken it mounts the 2.0 mjt... only that them there to bother to change the exhaust manifold... but I think it would have been a thing fierce!
There is to say that once you have done the work if the turbo 2.0 is great too... you could also put the turbo 1.6 mjt and should have the same flange

[alex210392]

The turbo 90 hp must be changing by mounting a wastegate that can handle the geometry, then there is a water pipe and the pipe of the back of the turbo. The manifold is not from the tap.
I want to put on the GTB1549 that if I'm not mistaken it mounts the 2.0 mjt... only that them there to bother to change the exhaust manifold... but I think it would have been a thing fierce!
There is to say that once you have done the work if the turbo 2.0 is great too... you could also put the turbo 1.6 mjt and should have the same flange

It exact have the same flange, the change is not so much ruthless ec to sacrifice a manifold taken at the belly-up and to pay to the flange of the turbo above, and modify the exhaust and decatalizzarlo as I did

[bob125]

The turbo 90 hp must be changing by mounting a wastegate that can handle the geometry, then there is a water pipe and the pipe of the back of the turbo. The manifold is not from the tap.
I want to put on the GTB1549 that if I'm not mistaken it mounts the 2.0 mjt... only that them there to bother to change the exhaust manifold... but I think it would have been a thing fierce!
There is to say that once you have done the work if the turbo 2.0 is great too... you could also put the turbo 1.6 mjt and should have the same flange

But the change to the wastegate I would be able to do it myself..I must make it a specialist?
water hose??...the 70 does not have water...maybe the 90's??!!
pipe return turbo what is it?

I hope that we do not go outside the ot

[alex210392]

But the change to the wastegate I would be able to do it myself..I must make it a specialist?
water hose??...the 70 does not have water...maybe the 90's??!!
pipe return turbo what is it?

I hope that we do not go outside the ot
I believe that faith is the aluminium tube of water that goes to connect the heat exchanger tube and a return would be the hose that is located under the turbo for the oil drain lubbrificazione in the engine cylinder block

[Fede78]

Yes, the water pipe I meant the one that goes to the heat exchanger, and as the oil return pipe from the turbo to the block.
Now that I remember I have also replaced the return pipe of the oil of the turbine.

[alex210392]

Yes, the water pipe I meant the one that goes to the heat exchanger, and as the oil return pipe from the turbo to the block.
Now that comes to mind I have also replaced the turbine oil delivery pipe. all this because they were in different points the two turbo right? because on mine I did not have to change all this, the only thing I changed is the thermostatic valve otherwise the pump of 90cv did not enter even praying in Aramaic

[Fede78]

all this because they were in different locations on the two turbo right? because on mine I had to change all of this, the only thing that I changed is the thermostatic valve otherwise the pump 90hp there came even praying in aramaic
Pump to the rail of the 90 hp? I still have the 70 hp and for now seems to hold even at 1600 bar

[alex210392]

Pump to the rail of the 90 hp? I still have the 70 hp and for now seems to hold even at 1600 bar
To me, he broke one of the 70 for a lot of fuel poor and put it on directly to the 90

[alex210392]

655D4 line HPUb1 - Rail pressure upper bound
655D8 line HPUb2 - Rail pressure upper bound

6748E prailrefmaximum limitation value eeprom*2 -100 OK
605BA rail max pressure OK
by damos 90hp to these two addresses 655D4 and 655D8 me zAccwp and zeValvePosMn sure to be the bit rail pressure upper bound?

[Fede78]

6748E prailrefmaximum limitation value eeprom*2 -100 OK
605BA rail max pressure OK
by damos 90hp to these two addresses 655D4 and 655D8 me zAccwp and zeValvePosMn sure to be the bit rail pressure upper bound?
I had checked some time ago by damos, and those bits and values I had localized to those two addresses

[alex210392]

I had checked some time ago by damos, and those bits and values I had localized to those two addresses

check 693a8 and 693b8 should be these bits mentioned

[alex210392]

67946 8x8 ...a curve that goes from 100 to 1200....that is?
677be temp /iq-550 is the max value...hummm


67946: Y-axis mbar map PrailRef warm-up factor map: f(TEng, Patm)
X-axis : 67956 degc
Z-Axis: 67966

677BE: Y-Axis degC of the map Cranking timing map: f(rpmTB,TH2O)
677CE: X-Axis rpm
677DE: Z-Axis