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you 5100giri cut all
the tips are of the delta 1600 120 hp
if you want I post you my file, my purpose, and do more? of 5000giri
ducati83
07-04-2014, 22:41
the limiter ? set to 5500 series...so if you cut first, you have to change other things..or rather you have to scale the maps concerned....why? how is it up to 5500 there you should get...
ducati83
07-04-2014, 23:52
I'm turning in long and wide is the map y70cv.....and the only map that seems to me to be those of the advances ? this annex....
the BP should be NM up to 240 and the engine rpm 4688, as usual, in so many maps...
inside with the conversion factor to go from 12 to 25 degrees of advance from low rpm to high rpm then it could be what do you think?
My precise attached to the diagnosis 5100 of each gear tried it stops
Or visa if you want tomorrow you the feel that you want to coll
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ducati83*
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the limiter ? set to 5500 series...so if you cut first, you have to change other things..or rather you have to scale the maps concerned....why? how is it up to 5500 there you should get...
I have to climb......an example of that???
The Ducati, but where ? I'm limiter at 5500?!? On 69cv generally going to 5200..on the 75, ditto.
Anniver, take a look in the area of t inj
ducati83
08-04-2014, 00:31
I'm talking about 70cv.....and I think it is the same for the 90.....on the 75hp I have not been able to find it....but ? only a matter of time....
if you have a file 70cv available to see you in the place....
Even the 70's, and even 90 have to 5500...
ducati83
08-04-2014, 01:01
no I found them and there are....tomorrow as soon as I set the pc to work I'll post it...
Mo I'm curious as to throw the**** to the ground once and for all with a nice summary of all the discoveries made in this post
and confirmed that the 70 hp is not the year the map the pedal to the contrary.....
Empty the bag making it ready for all does not seem to be the case, give some tips, I see him much more? reasonable.
Comq I pointed out, doesn't it ? at 5500 the limiter at 5200, as you anniver, you have found. That said, if you have a 69cv, search for a value of around 5200.
If you have a 75/90, however, 2, one near the injection.
ducati83
08-04-2014, 10:55
here they are......
I don't know if those are really active at 5500 rpm, but of course, I am not them.
Cut to about 5200 rpm, not at 5500
ducati83
08-04-2014, 11:19
well I have posted my experience and moving those and all the rest of the car exceeds 5500, not moving stops to 5500.....
of course, we are here to give us advice....if you notice there's also a bit of rpm minimum....moving those alzie the idle speed.....
since I see you are prepared... more behind I posted a map that according to me are the advances you may give us a look and express your opinion?
thanks
asp asp asp...
Your 1.3 mjet is 5500 rpm of the series?!?
Why? if standard values are at 5500, it seems strange to me that the face-5500 ori...
Tell me hw and sw of the screen?!? Or the link from the database?
Ducati say that if intervengho them increase the limiter turns the first and the min and according to max
ducati83
08-04-2014, 12:35
anniver I don't understand....
danny I just say that the ori don't get it at 5500, and even if I move only the limiters....but if mappo, and then I do everything as it should be, putting the injectors, turbine etc etc then I get to 5500... and if I want them, I ascend....so blocking those bits do.....I also did the tests and put them in the 4000 and work...
on my request advances?nothing?
Sorry, set those bits as they are?
If they are, as you say, 5500, xke anniver stops at 5200 rpm about?
About the advances, I'm still studying. .
Sorry for the double post
ducati83
08-04-2014, 14:37
of the series are to 5500 on the 70cv at least....if you stop at 5200 and the limiters are at 5500 means that it must be relevant to the map and scale the need to...
To me it appears that it is up to 5200. I put the Link of the file to the screen?
We can do I have to climb??? I already created both in the limiter torque that the continuous injection of the graph outside the driver
riccardo92
08-04-2014, 16:15
The map of the advances should be this (taken from the files of the point 69cv)
X: Rpm
Y: IQ (conversion factor 0.002941)
Z: Advances main injection (conversion factor 0.015625), has to be read to the contrary
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ducati83
08-04-2014, 18:10
ok I see...it seems like I have seen pi? times that map
anniver I don't know what you can do I don't know with which file you're trying...cos? eye I can not tell....there are so many of those limiters in these maps....
The one posted by riccardo, does not seem to me to be the advances...
About the limiter, ducati, give me the address that you have found and the link to the file please?
riccardo92
08-04-2014, 18:43
The one posted by riccardo, does not seem to me to be the advances...
About the limiter, ducati, give me the address that you have found and the link to the file please?
Why? no? :) The values and increments correspond with those measured in diagnosis.
But ? the map immediately after the two torque limiters to panettone,that is from the ecm?
riccardo92
08-04-2014, 19:26
No, it's not ? that, on the file of the point ? address 0667B0
The advance on file of the point 1065P351 is 667B0
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ducati83
08-04-2014, 20:33
The one posted by riccardo, does not seem to me to be the advances...
About the limiter, ducati, give me the address that you have found and the link to the file please?
then as the file is fine any 70cv, for addresses, do a search with a decimal value of 5500...they are two close to each other as shown before....and to be certain there are also two limiters rpm minimum 750 always close to the other 5500.....if you have difficulty? let me know.
ducati83
08-04-2014, 20:42
ok ? the same also for other 70 hp, the only question....it should be read to the contrary, the whole, or only the single curves?
riccardo92
08-04-2014, 20:58
only the x-axis should be read to the contrary. The y-axis no why? with the increase of the IQ grow the injection times and therefore need a greater advance.
From the tele, I can't, after the check of the soon return home.
Regarding the rev limiter, the 69cv that I have done, they are all still at 5200 rpm ? this is what I can not explain
ducati83
08-04-2014, 23:16
danny postami the file a few 69cv and I see it likely that we are talking about the same thing, and that it is actually stopped at 5200 the limiter, on the 70's that ? I experience
riccardo summarize: the single curves are from left to right as the increase of the engine rpm and individually in the curves of the degrees of advance, I look at them from right to left, in fact, increase as well.
now I would like to understand how to calculate the total duration of the injection, and then we subtract the advances?
this, of course, to understand how many degrees you end up injecting DPMS
thanks
riccardo92
08-04-2014, 23:40
then, set the rpm and IQ will go to see how many bar of rail pressure are indicated in the map of the rail, and then go to see how many of us takes the injection with the map time, finally, you convert the us in the degrees of the crankshaft and compare them with the degrees of advance.
if you can? be useful I sketched a table on ex
7643
Ok for the advances, the vision with a little zoom had me fooled.
About the limiter settings, I just gurdato the file, and according to me, it cuts at 5200 rpm.
I have the map from the bodyshop
I've already done the file by looking up the value 5200 converted I exit the graph equal to the one posted before it changed, I just have to wait for you to come back the car
A few more days, and on the 75 I have to try different things..
But if I can, this week, effetuo tests on a p351 a point classic.
Especially with regard to the limiter settings, xk? is what I'm intriguing history.
7646ecco the file or now above that stops at 5100 rpm
ducati83
09-04-2014, 17:39
then, set the rpm and IQ will go to see how many bar of rail pressure are indicated in the map of the rail, and then go to see how many of us takes the injection with the map time, finally, you convert the us in the degrees of the crankshaft and compare them with the degrees of advance.
if you can? be useful I sketched a table on ex
7643
ok thank you ? as for the edc16 well...I made the pattern advances in this way....the uninca thing that I wanted to know if, in general, as for the 1.9 we have advances that you always have the end of injection after TDC, or in the 1,3 there are some stages where we have the end of injection before TDC.
anniver I'll take a look at the file to understand how to never find this limiter...
ducati83
09-04-2014, 19:32
anniver I gave a look at the map and starting from the fact that ? incomplete and missing many things.....I don't think you get much with this file....
then it arrives at 5100 rpm, and boost feel lucky....of course, I star to ask for addresses, I the jelly is beautiful and ready I have had but I studied posted and received help that ? what fer? if I can, and if you keep trying hard the file....
Backgroop
09-04-2014, 19:50
7646ecco the file or now above that stops at 5100 rpm
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?4580-MARELLI-MJET-impariamola!&p=72079&viewfull=1#post72079
follow the discussion
Ragazii, or the 75 ? different, or the 69 in origin, not 5500.
In 69 of a friend, cut a 5200, but the two bits stnno to 5500....
ducati83
09-04-2014, 22:33
looks does not mean anything that size before while being a pi? the top of the limiter...even in other cars have the limiter is higher but you get there even remotely on the unit to certain schemes....
then you are talking about a rev limiter, but with that map is that?I am talking about anniver....it takes before you have problems laps....maybe get a 5200 as a must.....
Yeah, but the point ? that the 69 of my friend, stops, both from ori, that from mapped, to 5200. That's why? I can't get convinced. I need to test :)
ducati83
09-04-2014, 23:34
well I repeat I do not know the map that you like ? been done, but if, as the anniver where there was virtually ? normal rise.....the limiter rpm ? the only to stop the engine....pr this, I say, which alone, are of little...
Yes, but with a similar map, on the 75, I stop always at 5200. Unlocked the limiter, arrival at 5550... :/ that's why.
For?, before I finish studies, then the place, I don't want to give false "illusions" and notions...
First of all I am a beginner machine to the turina delta 120 hp 1600 what I'm far away in the surge of covvia according to you I have not exaggerated to me spigho best that you can do and even if, to tell the truth the machine the speed of the rooms .....not because the slide .....
acetto any opinion....
cinqueturbo
10-04-2014, 05:50
First of all I am a beginner machine to the turina delta 120 hp 1600 what I'm far away in the surge of covvia according to you I have not exaggerated to me spigho best that you can do and even if, to tell the truth the machine the speed of the rooms .....not because the slide .....
acetto any opinion....
I no offense I would recommend you to contact the online service or to a professional areas of your perch? you're really far away..
I don't understand the logic or policy that worshipped in the map that posted..
the apartment that overlooked the other 4 torque limiters and other maps out of the driver..
I repeat, without offence.
Quoto the other... From the discussion, reading it with a calm head, you may get a lot more?. Cos?, walk the met? how could... And I think smoke a bit....
ducati83
10-04-2014, 11:20
Anniver don't take it here no one accuses you, only makes me strange that don't you explain how you never go up rpm more than what you indicated,when for me the map ? almost original....a little different....that's all...follow the council review the more than 50 pages like I did and the results you will see....trust...
danny is always back to the usual speech, you have to check map to map the differences between the 75 and 70 hp for sure we will find the reason for which a meeting rooms for up to 5500 and the other is not, as stated, the limiter alone does little, you have to climb all the maps as previously said, to the anniver and the thing still does not do....all here....if we according to me we find the reason....we should take into consideration the two files and compare them...only that ? as long as what then a bit on the day, why? c'? anyway, a job to carry out.
cinqueturbo
10-04-2014, 11:50
Guys I have to tell the truth?..
me pi? easy to make you see that you explain where are wrong,
only that I could break the boxes to someone,
the talk of the climb, PB, N75, etc, etc,
and also the solution celavate in front of the eyes..
I do not say that s? how to make 7000giri to 1.3.
but, seeing the map of the Anniver that says that it's the ditches to the ground,
and stops at 5200
Mmmm I think so with my simple method breaks the axle shafts and waste tyres from rims?
then I would like to explain it with calm is the night..
ducati83
10-04-2014, 12:06
well, a constructive intervention is always a pleasure...and then if you want you can write to those who are interested do not think I mind but...
Guys I have to tell the truth?..
me pi? easy to make you see that you explain where are wrong,
only that I could break the boxes to someone,
the talk of the climb, PB, N75, etc, etc,
and also the solution celavate in front of the eyes..
I do not say that s? how to make 7000giri to 1.3.
but, seeing the map of the Anniver that says that it's the ditches to the ground,
and stops at 5200
Mmmm I think so with my simple method breaks the axle shafts and waste tyres from rims?
then I would like to explain it with calm is the night..
maybe cinqueturbo:rolleyes:
Exact Ducati!
I am for building...Personally mine, I do not saliva more than the 5200, unlocking 2 limiters, but without the climb absolutely anything, I 5550 equal on the map. That's why? I do not return the accounts.
I all the things that are alluded to in one of the 50 p o made all the bits etc but nothing changes the rebuilt both in the rail pressure chr laps in the diagnosis, always equal to the remade and I intervened only in the torque limiters in 2d nnt tabbelare I did all the straight lines and raising the whole injection does a lot of smoke even so, only at the beginning that expedite and then stops
we are here to learn :)
you say that I'm far away
I did a 70 maps on this ecu, and where I fell, or saliva slow in those laps I intervened, you say that it can go even better ??
The first torque limiter, and a map of the pedal but not the map with the turns on the contrary
The map pedal has X (rpm) y(%) z (Nm)
cinqueturbo
10-04-2014, 15:09
Guys but really do we do?
here are the basics, but really the basics...
I say but how and possible..
These are all the limiters primary cio? the important ones
065AC0-065AD0 you read to the contrary
065AE0-065AF0 you read to the contrary
0680F8-068108 you read to the contrary
the cio? where you see the 4500giri are in reality 900giri where and 700 in reality are 5000
065416-065436
065444-065458
06548C-0654BC
these wood normally..
068A44-068D42 injection zoned reads, in my opinion, normally..
then Pressure reil ir? salt pi? decrease the time in the us..
the first step as I call down-to-earth..
and square I took off whims with the so-called professionals..
engines, stok..
but the basics are these other maps are secondary if not irrelevant..
you driver wish it would be appropriate,
but try to only give 1000 points to the lim torque and a 5-15% at the time of injection in the right way and you will see the difference..
Now fleece placed on a tray of solid gold.
I am convinced of what I say now it's up to you smentirmi..
to you the word.
cinqueturbo
10-04-2014, 15:12
I forgot or took as a reference the file Anniver..
then MJD6JFHE01C 1065y154 70cv..
But then if the limiters are to be read to the contrary on the 90 hp and this might be the fact of the hole, that I can explain myself better at high rpm we have a pair of almost 0 and then if you read to the contrary, in truth we are in the low rpm range, right?
riccardo92
10-04-2014, 17:08
Cinqueturbo thanks a lot for the tips! I didn't know that the three limiters dome to go read to the contrary
riccardo92
10-04-2014, 17:12
But then if the limiters are to be read to the contrary on the 90 hp and this might be the fact of the hole, that I can explain myself better at high rpm we have a pair of almost 0 and then if you read to the contrary, in truth we are in the low rpm range, right?
According to me the hole ? due primarily to map the pedal and the torque limiter f. temp coolant. According to me, should be read to the contrary that, according to you?
Is someone able to do screen maps to the contrary?
Someone managed to delete it all?
cinqueturbo
10-04-2014, 20:30
Guys!! do you know that or just following what is written in this post 57 Pages?
I like the jelly is ready, or don't like to read?
riccardo92
10-04-2014, 20:41
I knew of the existence of those maps! :) I was not only sure of the meaning of reading.
Returning to the discourse advances, those who have seen my excel file posted a few pages ago, could give me his opinion? Especially with regard to the fact that the injection ends even 4? before TDC, at some points, and not exceed, ? normal this thing?
ducati83
10-04-2014, 23:32
I all the things that are alluded to in one of the 50 p o made all the bits etc but nothing changes the rebuilt both in the rail pressure chr laps in the diagnosis, always equal to the remade and I intervened only in the torque limiters in 2d nnt tabbelare I did all the straight lines and raising the whole injection does a lot of smoke even so, only at the beginning that expedite and then stops
we are here to learn :)
you say that I'm far away
I did a 70 maps on this ecu, and where I fell, or saliva slow in those laps I intervened, you say that it can go even better ??
anniver or the wrong file or I don't know....you on the map you don't unlock it limiters turbo it limiters rail and not the do not even map rail, how do you expect to go on duty?
not to mention that the maps fumes and advances I do not think I have seen them made....and no BP ? has been scaled, then on what basis do you say that unlocking the limiters will not go up?if you do not ? written that we must come as we get?
Guys!! do you know that or just following what is written in this post 57 Pages?
I like the jelly is ready, or don't like to read?
Five turbo agree that law to the contrary, but .. (I did the following test if all lacolonna 3000 to 4500 I tabbellare all 0 value the machine accelerates and stops at 3000
if I do a vice versa, i.e. to 700 rpm up to 1000 laps in tabbellare the machina I accellerea
then I should understand that the 1 torque limiter is the map in the right direction
then the first limiter is to be read in the right direction ......
cinqueturbo
11-04-2014, 09:56
Five turbo agree that law to the contrary, but .. (I did the following test if all lacolonna 3000 to 4500 I tabbellare all 0 value the machine accelerates and stops at 3000
if I do a vice versa, i.e. to 700 rpm up to 1000 laps in tabbellare the machina I accellerea
then I should understand that the 1 torque limiter is the map in the right direction
then the first limiter is to be read in the right direction ......
Post an example I want to understand what the fact adocchio..
I cinqueturbo....
However, I have done today the test. Times map, and the rail ori, advances in gold, but only the limiter shifted at 5500 rpm. Makes them....For? we talk about a 75. But I am almost sure that also applies for the 69.
Ah, I have not climbed any map.
I have tried to change The timing pertendo by the third curve in then giving a 3% up to,last corner, coming in at a 8% then I modified The limiters and map the pedal and I have noticed a significant improvement then I added a break point of each curve and I noticed that the car pulls better on others.
And can and it was my feeling
cinqueturbo
11-04-2014, 14:24
Posted the maps..
we first goats what you can? get and where to improve..
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Always back them then speaks of the jelly is ready....I have to rectify my previous statement...About the map the pedal, I did so.
Arrival times and the rail ori at 5500rpm.
hello to all... of mjet me ? happened to pi? someone to make and PERSONALLY, to change "response" of the engine acting in the first place on the map the pedal, already? give them enough satisfaction why? the car "change".
Then, as it says in cinqueturbo, map injection without overdoing it (10-15% at the max) otherwise sfumazza too, and a lick to the limiters: I have no idea how many hp can take avoiding going overboard, but gi? with these 3 changes targeted to improve a lot.
The 70cv pi? of all ? I react better, the 75 instead... sar? I definitely incapable... but I find with the short of breath.
These days I am studying on the mjd8, I see that here spoken of mjet in general: you have input for the map the pedal on this model of the ecu?
ECM the only maps that make me think of the "old" map pedal 6f are 5 similar maps of the injection, but I am not very convinced...
Sorry, what changes between the pedal 6 and 8?
Sorry, what changes between the pedal 6 and 8?
I don't know if you've ever seen, however the pedal on the 6 are two maps, 8x16, while those that seem to me the maps pedal on the 8 are 16x16.
Umh... I would Not say a boiata, but I seem to be the same. Also, the limiter in the f of the temperature of the liquid ? equal
Umh... I would Not say a boiata, but I seem to be the same. Also, the limiter in the f of the temperature of the liquid ? equal
look, honestly I don't know: I'm studying from w as I've always seen them, they're not there. Those that are similar instead? be 2 are 5 and 16x.. I asked for confirmation or clues to find the right ones :)
Check right at the beginning of the maps, it seems to me that in both of them the pedal. And ? very similar to the 6
76657666queste are the two maps that I have tried that with the break point pulls better at high or and only feeling? I have not changed the rail and the turbo because now I'm interested only try to remove the hole below 2000 rpm, and already I can say that with these tests begins to pull at 1700 rpm even if it's still not what I'm looking for
cinqueturbo
12-04-2014, 09:46
76657666queste are the two maps that I have tried that with the break point pulls better at high or and only feeling? I have not changed the rail and the turbo because now I'm interested only try to remove the hole below 2000 rpm, and already I can say that with these tests begins to pull at 1700 rpm even if it's still not what I'm looking for
Have you realized that touched the lim.torque 700 and 900giri you?
then as for me and new? I explain things to 08FF42-08FF80?
considering that this is a GPunto 90hp flywheel bi mass, and I advise you not to take too much bass..
then I would like to make a personal consideration, not just your files, but to many that I see..
how do you get to give more? of 2000 points increase here and there?
them spread with a precise criterion, or an in-depth study needs to be taken to these ****lli?
passion engines
12-04-2014, 11:52
Have you realized that touched the lim.torque 700 and 900giri you?
then as for me and new? I explain things to 08FF42-08FF80?
considering that this is a GPunto 90hp flywheel bi mass, and I advise you not to take too much bass..
then I would like to make a personal consideration, not just your files, but to many that I see..
how do you get to give more? of 2000 points increase here and there?
do you spread them with a precise criterion or should an in-depth study be brought to these * * * * lli?Hello cinqueturbo, for my choice I never enter about the file mods, often for? I stop to look and notice that on many occasions they reason about the marelli like the bosch, probably the conversion factors of the marelli are little known.......I understood your remark and diplomatically responded.....: D
cinqueturbo
12-04-2014, 12:46
Hello cinqueturbo, for my choice I never enter about the file mods, often for? I stop to look and notice that on many occasions they reason about the marelli like the bosch, probably the conversion factors of the marelli are little known.......I understood your remark and diplomatically responded.....: D
I would like to do a lot of ir? that comment diplomatically.. believe me..
to inculcate simple rules based on the maps that perhaps not wanting to, I can't understand..
for example, I see maps that say vadino strong with lim.pair one mapped in a way, and the other two in another..
but the power in his file are comics for kids?
s? one of the fairies from the 1200giri and the other from 900 pu? never respond well to this car?
but let's take 2000 2500 points here and the best first-andr??
touch-injection phase when you really and useless on a stock engine,
driver's wish, and the pedal has to be adapted to the torque demand, but in addition is not needed,
and how to shorten the accelerator what is it for?
the stroke of the accelerator, for instance, goes from 0.10.20.30.40.50.60.70.80.90.100 right?
now what you need to do it 0.20.40.60.80.100?
there it will look? to go ir? strong why? you have shortened the response of the pedal but to tour the horses are always the ones..
I could go on for a very long time..
what I am trying to explain and that you have gone over the logic in my opinion..
and good to know that the engineers Marelli or Bosch that are not are not crazy..
but are forced to keep the engines at a certain rule of pollution and reliability,
even at the cost of added problems such as egr and fap swirl..
then passion engines, the conversion factors are important, but irrelevant if one uses the logic no?
My and only a test, to understand the response of the engine, I'm not a mapper, but only a fan and I would like to understand the operation of the ecu of my car.
cinqueturbo
12-04-2014, 16:18
My and only a test, to understand the response of the engine, I'm not a mapper, but only a fan and I would like to understand the operation of the ecu of my car.
You see that I'm talking in general..
then s? allow even I am a professional in the industry..
if you see the date of registration, and from them that or began my ordeal with chiptuning..
Understand, we are all here to learn :-)
[QUOTE=cinqueturbo;89259]Post an example I want to understand what
7675 so not accelerate its
7676 so accelerates and stops
sportknight
12-04-2014, 21:23
but really in the grid, do you understand that you are doing?
cinqueturbo
13-04-2014, 03:16
[QUOTE=cinqueturbo;89259]Post an example I want to understand what
7675 so not accelerate its
7676 so accelerates and stops
Instead of bringing to 0 only a part of the limiter, and between the other only one,when dinners are 3 of that family.
(and what leads you to that outcome) Incremental....
cinqueturbo
13-04-2014, 03:29
but really in the grid, do you understand that you are doing?
Eeee, this goes against the current sportknight.. ;)
it seems to me to fight against windmills...
from there I'm about to give up..
c? who would have gi? wash your hands to my place..
7677
7678
Cinqueturbo, but those limiters are the ones that should be read to the contrary?!?
I've posted an example of both in order to understand the verse
We are why? don't write the formula to apply the conversion factors
But for more than 4000 rpm, what you have to touch, let me explain why we get up to 4500 but very strained, I tried to give more fuel through times of injecting them get up to 15% but nothing just a lot of smoke and to tell you the truth, it seems to me even worse at the top. I also tried to pick up The torque limiters and put new breakpoints to the limiters in the part of the revs high but nothing :-(
Forget about the 5000 rpm rocket, with stock turbo....
About the timing of the injection, as you're moddando?
I have increased as a percentage, and I added a break point up to 10 % of the car does not smoke but if I arrive to 15% of the car smokes a lot and at the top it seems to go worse
I meant the logic...The brack poin-added is of little...
Fixed an IQ, you have rail and duration of injection. Of course, with the increase of the rail, for the same IQ decreases the time. The point pi? low ? when the rail pressure ? maximum. Consider that are scaled up to 1900bar pressure....
dariuccio
23-07-2014, 23:45
after a long time that is not participating in this discussion, I re-read all the 15 pages that I missed and I would like to express my thoughts on a few
post that intrigued me, such as the screen of the anniver map the pedal with those values set to zero, well, from what I understand the x-axis
of the engine rpm must be read from right to left (where the ecm says 85 rpm should be 5300), then moddato so it does not surprise me that a 5200 stops, the torque demand ? equal to zero.
and as far as the limiter torque as a function of temperature, if I understood well talk about what ecm called the torque limiter #2,
to me what seems to be a kind of ratio of the air/fuel in fact, by multiplying the value of the z-axis to 0,001302 (conversion factor afr) I find myself with realistic values
of approximately 11.5 - 12; if we talk about the map
cash advances, as amended, and based on, or what? the conversion factor what
dariuccio
26-07-2014, 20:30
the conversion factor of the advance ? 0,015625. go moddati on the basis of the quantity? diesel and however according to what I have to the engine.
personally, I use them also to lower the egt
Someone could make a screen of advances with the direction of reading, so you can figure out how many laps one is
dariuccio
26-07-2014, 21:42
8320
this ? map advance of the opel corsa c the sense of reading ? as I drew the arrow.
each curve corresponds to a different iq of 65, 60, 55.... and represents the y-axis; taking into consideration a curve only to simplify and
scrolling with the mouse over to display rpm numbers (x-axis)
notice how it is different this map compared to that of the point with the same horses.
the map in question is prior to the injection zoned
dariuccio
28-07-2014, 13:54
c'? no one?
You dariuccio thanks for the screen
Exelion1986
08-09-2014, 14:43
hello to all
since I have a couple of friends that have the 1.3 70 hp, I also put myself to the study of this unit
first of all, I would like to make you my compliments for the nice discussion, I have learned so much
however, even after reading the whole 4 or 5 times, it still remains in some doubt, especially relating to the conversion factors
I have seen that ? been shown the most? times a factor of 0.5 for the temperatures but, comparing the screen that you have posted, I just can't let me go
referring, for example, the torque limiter as a function of the temperature of the water makes me think that there is an offset
in fact, not ? that is so influential to know exactly these values to change, but I would like to clarify a couple of things for a matter of completeness
In the torque limiter as a function of the temperature of the water to the axis of the temperature has a factor of 0.5 and offset -100
Exelion1986
09-09-2014, 14:44
thanks ? as I suspected
another thing that I did not go back ? the conversion factor of the limiter rail pressure for water temperature
you have indicated eeprom*8-100 but cos? I are high values, almost 4000 bar, and then ? the normal range of the rpm go from 4167 to 18750?
however, turning on the net I found some other map that could be interesting
addresses 065AF0 and 065D30 of the file of the y reference there might be maps of smoke, with a conversion factor 0,001302
in some mod I've also seen ? changed the map corresponding to the address 068138, with the justification for that ? a torque limiter, and also that the 0628A4, but of this I have no information
there is something?
Raffaele87
25-09-2014, 15:04
good evening, raffaele and also I'm interested in this discussion... I would be interested to know how to raise and change the pressure limiters
francescosparco
25-09-2014, 20:00
hello I know someone indicate how to change the limiter in such a way as to shoot the car? and the same for the bosch??
Exelion1986
28-09-2014, 13:59
from what I understand it should be a bit just before the injection time (or as he calls them ecm injection zoned), with the value in the clear 6000
for? I have not tried if it works
francescosparco
28-09-2014, 14:15
Mmmm indaghero :)
Then changed the bit 06748E (I have a point, but the file has the same addresses of the one posted here.. at least for the rail), and now finally from the time of diagnosis in pressure lens, I have the value which I set in the map of the rail.
Made a map from 1600 bar... but the machine should not be linear, and the light injection. Peak has given me 1509 bar but the pressure drops and spikes, even if pressure goal ? always up to 1600 bar...
Made the map 1550 bar I as a target of 1550, and rightly, but the machine is as with the first test... pressure dancer... max 1484 bar...
The error is always the same P1196 temporary error, fuel pressure
That really has problems with the filter?
Let's say that even with the map at 1480 bar as I had before and without the change bit for me was that sometimes it gave the error but did it when I pulled over the 4500 rpm... that is creating really a depression because it requires more? oil as it comes?
Has anyone had any of these problems?
Hi faith, you wrote changed the bit 06748E...if I understood well by raising the bit you go to raise the limiter of the rail pressure?
According to me c'? some other bit or I can not understand the map well 67A06... limiter rail in function of the temp of the diesel... " for an axis, I the temperature of the diesel but in the other should be the rpm... but I don't understand the conversion factor, and if they really are spins or no...
I say cos? why? even with no change in these 4-bit single you talked about here in the discussion when trying to go on with the rail I had the error also making maps from 1450 bar while if I remember correctly, some time ago I tried a map from 1480 bar and that gave me error... now I can't find it on the pi?.. are in pi? 110 the scriptures....
The alternative would be to change the bits of the gain of the sensor rail... knowing what ?... cos? to do ir? or less what makes a form. Of course, in the diagnosis do I have to do a map type to 1400 bar which is actually? then they will be more? as the sensor reads less than the actual pressure and therefore the pump pushes the pi?... drawback then ? as an analog module with the linear trend, and then I would have pi? pressure always...
For now I put a map at 1430, and goes to that ? a show and, above all, no lights. That of 1600 bar was one of my obsession to replace the injectors, 1.3 95 hp and get them to work precisely to 1600 bar ? the pressure of work.
for me the best solution would be to buy a machine that delivers 140 horsepower and you will see that there will be no more problems...anyway, I'm reading all the topic and I admire you for all the tests that you did really good:)
I think that sometimes you have to also know if the mechanical components such as the rail so the pump,injectors,fuel injectors,sensor flute rail pressure, are perfectly intact, without any problem, why? just one of these mechanical organs do not work properly, here is the explanation of the problem of recovery.That's why? c'? people who do not have problems with errors caused by the pressure even if modifcano the two bits, bringing the pressure even at 1600 mbar.
once you combine the maximum amount of points if you increase the pressure, I by mistake I remove the increase gives me more error then:
problem pump
the pump fails to go beyond that limit
the sensor does not ? calibrated for that type of pressure
result:
best to change the pump, buy a car with so many horses in the most...
Hi faith, you wrote changed the bit 06748E...if I understood well by raising the bit you go to raise the limiter of the rail pressure?
You, ? a limiter is a single bit. The problem for? as I understand it is in the pressure regulator mounted on the rail. I recovered the flute, and a pressure regulator of a Grande Punto 90 and with this it should disappear the problem of the pressure on the dancer.
Do I have to? still have to mount the whole perch? I don't have much time.
I would also have a BV35 to assemble and I would also have a exhaust manifold from the flange with a GTB1549V derivation 2.0 Mjt 170 hp, which still seems a bit extreme as what to do.
On 69 hp, the p-rail ? clear offset to -100, so no conversion...
Instead, as regards the limitation, is always up to 1460, and to go further ? always a discourse of bit of limitation...I have to test on 69 if it works, as soon as I can.
Ela.Toretto
03-10-2014, 17:26
Danny but on the 75 you did? :)
Exelion1986
29-10-2014, 16:47
I was searching the internet looking for all the info as possible on this ecu and I came across an interesting document
place a screen of that document ? given a map, which according to them would be that of the preiniezioni
in the reference file of the first post is located at the address 0695A0 and corresponds to the point table to point to? I have no idea of the conversion factors
someone knows something more??
8740
We have temperature and numbers of laps and the z axis the amount? of diesel in the entry then this map tells you that at 800 rpm with a temperature of -20 - 10 ?C is entradno 10 mm3/stroke...I know why it is mapping varies MJD8F
Exelion1986
31-10-2014, 20:49
here is the screen
8747
*ake85
this ? a 6jf, I do not return the values you gave
maybe the mjd8 the map ? similar in shape, but the avr? different factors
excuse the intrusion, but to the addresses 65416\65434 65446\65454 6548c\654ba there should be three other limiters,for case, you know, depending on what limit?
to address 654dc up to 6555a should be lim torque as a function temperature diesel,right?
then I saw the file of renowned mappers that touch on the following curves:69664 up to 69682, 6968e up to 696ac,do you know what?
you know the bit 67c4a what is it for? ori the value and 14252 and the coach l has led to 47506.
Exelion1986
10-11-2014, 18:41
6548c\654ba really? are two attached, however, as a function of rpm
654dc right
69664 I don't know, never touched
6968e idem, certainly similar to the previous
67c4a off the egr
thanks for the reply.
if it is not too much to ask for,in addition to the bit 775 which on my car has not worked c'? some other bits from moddare for not going to failure pressure diesel?
Exelion1986
15-11-2014, 16:29
from what I understand the bit at 775 should be 2
then there are the various maps of the limitation on the basis of p turbo, t water, t diesel
Ela.Toretto
15-11-2014, 22:40
so for now there? still a lot of uncertainty regarding the rail a 1600 ;)
Exelion1986
17-11-2014, 18:20
pi? what else I'm doing tests on a opel, which has slightly different maps
I just bought a diagnosis, but I have not had the opportunity to try it on the car in question
however, 1600 bar seem to me to be a p? excessive
1600 bar pump ori flickers...
passion engines
21-11-2014, 18:27
Hello, to shoot at 1600, or a p? pi? need hp pump, rail, pump bp and the necessary corrections to the file.....
sorry so if I go off topic, someone suggests me how to open a new discussion? thanks
from what I understand the bit at 775 should be 2
then there are the various maps of the limitation on the basis of p turbo, t water, t diesel
On the 70 hp with the bits ? one on the 90 hp the bit are two...to not give an error to change the values with care not case and study well the damos
here is the screen
8747
*ake85
this ? a 6jf, I do not return the values you gave
maybe the mjd8 the map ? similar in shape, but the avr? different factors
The advice I can give, and not to touch those maps given that maps are useful for starting and to increase the temperature in the combustion chamber! in fact, if you try to modify certain values, you can never get them ago then tap the eye to the damage is done:cool:
Exelion1986
26-11-2014, 13:12
ok thanks for the info
of course, I'm not going to touch the maps of which are not safe, unfortunately, for? the damos I have
but then the preiniezioni where are they?
then saw that I can see you expert these ecu, if I did not avail myself too, I would like to ask you another thing
in the maps pedal ? request a pair, but the map conversion pair iq, where is it located? I have already? the past in long and wide all the files on the pi? of a time but I can not find it
We make a thing placed the ori file and we work there why? so you can't? talk about maps or addresses:)
Ake85, on the 75 hp with a bit unlock the rail?!? "Are you sure?
I said on the 70 hp on the 75 and 90 hp bits are the two :)
And with two-bit salt, the rail?!? You've verified that you?!?
It feels weird for me :D
Ditto for the 69.
verified? I have mapped my MJD8F I can tap the pedal that flies :cool:
and then I have not said that you can lift only those two bits, it is necessary to modify the relative limiters and rail maps but I changed all of a complete map
Then do not say that I say that I am also pi? two bits... ;)
I say I'm also pi? two bits... ;)
I made confusion xD
I quoted the mess....Io I say I'm pi? of two bits: D
by changing those two bits and all the bits relative to the rail, the machine goes a wonder does not smoke at all, and just touches the pedal rises and calculates that the myth also weighs...and even the rise of the many bits I could give you even more:)
Ok, if you say so.
I asked you if you checked in diagnosis....But I don't see the answer. Damn it, I despair for the impossibility? to log serious on mine, and you, who can not do?!?!
Dannazzzzzzzione!
I already responded to you if you want to send a postcard :cool:
Ela.Toretto
26-11-2014, 18:50
ake not ? that being yours an md d8 (unlike the 6f f of the 69cv and the 6f3 of the 75 and 90 ) you only need 2 bits? why? I have modded even more? of 2 but ahim? recovery.... I moddo the famous 775, and then bits in the lineup that there? immediately after (just before the rail map)... however now I see to compare the curves rail of the mj
The ladder is not needed ;)
Sorry, best of the great point, at least not ? rimarchiata xD
Ela.Toretto
27-11-2014, 18:29
I have already? the gp so I'm good;) ahaha so the ladder is not needed... but ? is it true that 775 bits are 2?
Exelion1986
28-11-2014, 21:17
We make a thing placed the ori file and we work there why? so you can't? talk about maps or addresses:)
thanks
in the first page c'? the file referenced for this discussion
Errecinque
05-12-2014, 20:56
Wow I made it I arrived at the bottom of page 66....fuck the lot of you!!!
Then I'll start with a question since developing the map of an opel corsa, 70 hp (thanks to all of you for your commitment) I c'? fell the eye. I'm beginning to look at these 2 maps. In the break of the map injection times (driver ecm fuel injection split) I values of IQ, who converted to give me a maximum of 45 mm3. Why? this difference according to you?
I think that if I want to inject more? 45-we must adapting this break right? Or I said bullshit?
Errecinque
05-12-2014, 20:59
Excuse me ? cancelled a line.....
Then I'll start with a question since developing the map of an opel corsa, 70 hp (thanks to all of you for your commitment) I c'? fell the eye. I'm beginning to look at these 2 maps. In the break of the map injection times (driver ecm fuel injection split) I values of IQ, who converted to give me a maximum of 65 mm3, while in the break of the map rail we have a maximum of 45 mm3 Perch? this difference according to you?
I think that if I want to inject more? 45-we must adapting this break right? Or I said bullshit?
Errecinque
06-12-2014, 15:54
You are right, I would assume that you bit 0307 there was only one change, and I had escaped what 0605BA...
Tomorrow I try again and who knows what I can understand those last 3 maps of the rail
In the file of a opel corsa 70 hp that has a different address I found 5-bit to 775. I don't have the damos and I don't know if you all refer to the prex rail. second, you are always only two bits, as in the Y-raise? Or in the race to be raised all 5? Thanks
Exelion1986
08-12-2014, 13:55
the map injection times, in fact, it would be a calibration of the injectors
probably the injectors are original enough for up to 65 mm3, and then the map ? we say complete, but if you look at it with a diagnosis, you will see that original car get around 40 mm3
for this reason, it would be useless to extend the other maps over 45 mm3
? correct to say that in order to go beyond the 45-mm3 you need to adjust the breakpoint, but not limited to, map rail, but all of those are a function of iq, for example, also advances
I'm also watching me, but, to be able to increase, you should find the conversion between the torque request via maps pedal and iq
with regard to the rail pressure, as soon as I have the opportunity I have to do some test with the diagnosis why? on the ride I turn on the light when I would say that I go over 1450 bar
For me, the problem then not ? so the amount? diesel... the problem ? the quantity? air that he wants the motor...
From what I see the limits of power that can be reached are related to the turbine is mounted and how much air can enter the engine... otherwise we will have only smoke.
With the kp35 hardly exceed the 100/105 cv, with the BV35 it comes in at about 110/115... with the GTB1446 (that of the 1.6 Mjet) you get around the 140 hp... and with the GTB1549 (2.0 Mjet) you get around 170 hp...
Errecinque
08-12-2014, 14:21
the map injection times, in fact, it would be a calibration of the injectors
probably the injectors are original enough for up to 65 mm3, and then the map ? we say complete, but if you look at it with a diagnosis, you will see that original car get around 40 mm3
for this reason, it would be useless to extend the other maps over 45 mm3
? correct to say that in order to go beyond the 45-mm3 you need to adjust the breakpoint, but not limited to, map rail, but all of those are a function of iq, for example, also advances
I'm also watching me, but, to be able to increase, you should find the conversion between the torque request via maps pedal and iq
with regard to the rail pressure, as soon as I have the opportunity I have to do some test with the diagnosis why? on the ride I turn on the light when I would say that I go over 1450 bar
If I remember correctly, I was reading a guide on the marelli I saw this map conversion. As soon as I can to go to the PC control and I'll tell you. But it was you who raised the bits that are at least 775 to 850 (1500 bar)? I have not been able to load the map that I have prepared, why? the race that I'm using as a guinea pig ? a friend of mine.
Errecinque
08-12-2014, 14:25
What holds pressure turbo, the original being, within a margin of safety?
What holds pressure turbo, the original being, within a margin of safety?
1.5 bar with the turbine of the original six to the limit... in Addition, it begins to make noise, for me to scratch or they cook the bushings... then continues to make noise for several days... Cos? small com'? arriver? 200,000 times!
Errecinque
08-12-2014, 17:38
1.5 bar with the turbine of the original six to the limit... in Addition, it begins to make noise, for me to scratch or they cook the bushings... then continues to make noise for several days... Cos? small com'? arriver? 200,000 times!
Thanks faith, not knowing even
Errecinque
08-12-2014, 17:43
1.5 bar with the turbine of the original six to the limit... in Addition, it begins to make noise, for me to scratch or they cook the bushings... then continues to make noise for several days... Cos? small com'? arriver? 200,000 times!
Thanks faith, not knowing even the car (? the first is that I do) I do not know the mechanical limits. I seem to have read that the gold turns to 1 bar then alzer? the lim in the map in 1.2 / 1.3 max. I don't have to do anything extreme
Errecinque
08-12-2014, 20:58
If I remember correctly, I was reading a guide on the marelli I saw this map conversion. As soon as I can to go to the PC control and I'll tell you. But it was you who raised the bits that are at least 775 to 850 (1500 bar)? I have not been able to load the map that I have prepared, why? the race that I'm using as a guinea pig ? a friend of mine.
I correct myself.....I confused with another guide. In the marelli 6jf I don't know if c'? the map conversion nm / iq as in edc16
dariuccio
08-12-2014, 22:04
the original race is 1.1 peak and 0.9 constants.
but then Faith map injection zoned is not "spulciata" all from the ecu? so it really? the map size is 16x16?
if we want to get to inject 65mm3 it would be enough to just replace the injectors?
Errecinque
08-12-2014, 23:34
the original race is 1.1 peak and 0.9 constants.
but then Faith map injection zoned is not "spulciata" all from the ecu? so it really? the map size is 16x16?
if we want to get to inject 65mm3 it would be enough to just replace the injectors?
Since I'm understanding a little bit of this ecu if components of the series does not pass the 65 mm3 theoretically should not serve to raise the time right?
Thanks faith, not knowing even the car (? the first is that I do) I do not know the mechanical limits. I seem to have read that the gold turns to 1 bar then alzer? the lim in the map in 1.2 / 1.3 max. I don't have to do anything extreme
If ? a 70 hp has the wastegate and then to raise the pressure you have to act or on the rod of the wastegate, or by putting a t and tap on the pipe of the wastegate.
The fact of the times as mentioned above ? a calibration table of the injectors and then the ecu when to inject tot mm3 at a specific pressure goes to read that time must leave the injector open.
But if I do I change these times, the control unit will be? however convinced of delivering tot mm3 at that pressure while in reality? the mm3 injected will be higher.
Errecinque
09-12-2014, 07:36
If ? a 70 hp has the wastegate and then to raise the pressure you have to act or on the rod of the wastegate, or by putting a t and tap on the pipe of the wastegate.
Heheh with ke wastegate I have a familiar?.....
Errecinque
09-12-2014, 07:39
If ? a 70 hp has the wastegate and then to raise the pressure you have to act or on the rod of the wastegate, or by putting a t and tap on the pipe of the wastegate.
Heheh with the wastegate I had a lot to do.....no problem
Hello everyone, someone can? pass me that famous English manual that explains the operation of the ecu?
thanks in advance
Errecinque
30-12-2014, 17:33
Search on ****** "the guide to marelli 6jf "
go re-read the rules, before you can download something, you have to reach at least 80 msg
dariuccio
30-12-2014, 18:51
send me your **** in mp, tonight I send it to you
dariuccio
30-12-2014, 21:19
The place, however, for all
9068
Dariuccio I have written my address ***** in private. from here not makes me download... :/
Ela.Toretto
31-12-2014, 09:03
a copy of the letter Magneti_Marelli_6JF_Tuning_Guide_1.2.rar and write it on ******... the third link (the foreigner) should go....
I did
also on that site (Russian) I do not have permission to download..
Matty23p
31-12-2014, 14:33
Thanks for sharing dariuccio :)
Just beginning to learn, but also do not understand these efforts into learning
I have found many other bits that limit these marelli but you have to test them one at a time, since they are bit of protection
Ela.Toretto
26-01-2015, 17:45
for example? rail and what else? ;)
Errecinque
26-01-2015, 17:57
I have found many other bits that limit these marelli but you have to test them one at a time, since they are bit of protection
Shoots that we test them willingly ...***** and guinea pig I can experiment on Opel corsa, 70 hp 2003
Air temperature dependant Rail Pressure corrective Map from the file ols of the marelli has address 1994F8 in a few words, corrects the rail pressure based on the temperature of the air!
I had decimal values 65355 brought it all to zero with the offset of + 1...in fact, now the difference a p? feels even better!
Then other bits that limit the torque
18E690 limit torque value
18E692 limit torque value
are protection bit pair, but you have to test them one at a time because risky
marelli 75 - 95 horses have value in the torque of 255 Nm converted to an exact value.
for the 70 hp if you want I send you the photo of the bit then you will have to find it
Errecinque
26-01-2015, 19:42
I'm interested in to be able to go 1450 bar on the Race that has something different than the ecu Fiat instead exceeds them. All the addresses of the various limiters and bits floating around on the net for the 70cv on race are not enough. If you have a screen, it's fine to let them try. Thanks
Exelion1986
27-01-2015, 06:47
very interesting
also available I test on race
Errecinque
27-01-2015, 07:22
Air temperature dependant Rail Pressure corrective Map from the file ols of the marelli has address 1994F8 in a few words, corrects the rail pressure based on the temperature of the air!
I had decimal values 65355 brought it all to zero with the offset of + 1...in fact, now the difference a p? feels even better!
Then other bits that limit the torque
18E690 limit torque value
18E692 limit torque value
are protection bit pair, but you have to test them one at a time because risky
marelli 75 - 95 horses have value in the torque of 255 Nm converted to an exact value.
for the 70 hp if you want I send you the photo of the bit then you will have to find it
But these addresses to which files are related?? One study at the beginning of the post?
these addresses are taken from the file winols ols of the marelli MJD8F 75 95 hp
next week when I empty the dpf load the files to test them and then I say
very interesting
also available I test on race
try them out, they are all bit torque limitation torque maps protection! I recommend one at a time
Exelion1986
30-01-2015, 09:17
unfortunately I do not have the ols of the 8F, could you give me some info on pi?, or maybe some reference to the file at the beginning of the discussion?
here on the forum, a person had pubblicatp the file ols of the marelli control it well! tell me what info you want
Exelion1986
31-01-2015, 07:01
ok thanks this to me, I was lost
found, today, we'll throw an eye
Guys someone of you remapping the 90hp consumption how much ? was able to get in?
Exelion1986
02-02-2015, 13:23
the 90 I never mapped, the 70's and my friend uses about the same, maybe a hair more?, however, they are always around 25 km/l for the he
back to the topic of the bit 8df ? too different from the 6jf, and are not able to find them
I noticed another thing: in the ols ? this a bit of limitation of the pressure in an area that seems to nearly coincide with the 70
or, better, those few bits that are, say, cut off from the file of the y of this discussion, for? I meet them again in the files of the race
the area in question ? address 65568, and we see that in the file opel are included some of the bits in the pi? between the third and the fourth peak, just as in the 8df
so in theory the bit set to 800 should be a limitation? mail to 1500 bar, and then should not be this that gives us problems
since here we are talking about marelli I don't think I be out of the question, the question ? this: if I open a file ori of an engine mjet 1300 is it 70-75 0 90 hp and find driver that work in 16 bit, the changes I can make out the driver I have to do them in 8 or 16 bit? thanks
Out driver you need to know if the map ? 8-or 16-bit.
but sorry for the ignorance, how do I recognize if the map ? 8-or 16-bit?
look at enbrambi ways, and try to understand how
With a bit of experience, you can understand
time ago I open a file ori grande punto 1300 mjet 2mb that had driver 8-bit motorola, means that the map ? 8-bit?
Exelion1986
04-02-2015, 17:55
not necessarily the whole
for example, the 6jf are all 16-bit, 6f3 have some maps at 8 and other at 16
however, do not trust too much of the driver, often the names do not correspond to what ? in fact
Ela.Toretto
04-02-2015, 20:25
the 8 and 16 bit speech ? pretty simple... take a curve that you believe is a map and modd it to 16 bits then change the view to 8 bits what if the mod you did ? all jagged means that the map ? 8 bits otherwise 16;) pi? easy to do than to say ;)
.Antonio.
05-02-2015, 07:57
About these ecu, a bit special, no one knows how to make the switch-off of the dtc? It would be a useful guide.
Exelion1986
05-02-2015, 08:53
actually would be convenient to me, I would have one to delete
I tried to see dtc remover (if that works) but the version I have does not support the marelli
.Antonio.
05-02-2015, 10:06
Would be convenient to all.
Obvious errors serve to indicate what has car? of the times ? also useful to remove someone.
in fact, I noticed that many times the driver of titanium are high, thanks to the distinction between 6jf, and 6f3
.Antonio.
05-02-2015, 21:31
This discussion ? interesting, for? ? too long to read.
It would be great if some user, expert enough, make a pdf guide with the information contained in this topic.
puntospeed1.3
16-03-2015, 01:04
hello all, I have read this thread all at once, perhaps a little too quickly, and I found some confirmations and some interesting discoveries.
one thing I ask..no I do not ? seemed to read. But on the marelli 70 or 75 , c'? or not a map conversion NM to IQ here, as in bosch? that correlates with the mm3 with the NM.?
thanks.
jacktheripper2
16-03-2015, 03:37
hello all, I have read this thread all at once, perhaps a little too quickly, and I found some confirmations and some interesting discoveries.
one thing I ask..no I do not ? seemed to read. But on the marelli 70 or 75 , c'? or not a map conversion NM to IQ here, as in bosch? that correlates with the mm3 with the NM.?
thanks.
There are maps of efficiency that correlate Nm with the amount? injected
puntospeed1.3
16-03-2015, 11:51
and until now, no one talked about it and found?
those are the basic, if you want to make a mod. 'informed' or deceived, even to know up to how much ? climbing.
we know that the injection ? climb up to 65, and the rail up to 1900. it lacks the correlation with the pair, and some IQ limiter perhaps, while the toruqe limiter easy to recognize.
Exelion1986
17-03-2015, 19:14
ah then as I thought exists
you could kindly have some info in pi? on this map conversion nm to iq?
however, the limiter of iq ? gi? known
According to me for? the problem is not ? the quantity? diesel or better before you have to make sure to get pi? the air in this engine.
If you have a log you will notice that even with the deal? pi? low IQ already? we have a lot of smoke. With the turbine of the series if you exceed the 12/13% the increase of the injection time you're in the big smoke! We want a turbine that throw within the double air!
Sooner or later I have to put on the GTB1549 of 2.0 Mjet ! I also have a exhaust manifold here that looks at me and waits to be flanged to a turbine serious.
cinqueturbo
17-03-2015, 21:05
According to me for? the problem is not ? the quantity? diesel or better before you have to make sure to get pi? the air in this engine.
If you have a log you will notice that even with the deal? pi? low IQ already? we have a lot of smoke. With the turbine of the series if you exceed the 12/13% the increase of the injection time you're in the big smoke! We want a turbine that throw within the double air!
Sooner or later I have to put on the GTB1549 of 2.0 Mjet ! I also have a exhaust manifold here that looks at me and waits to be flanged to a turbine serious.
The smoke and also due to the fact that the extended time, and then throw the useful moment of combustion..
Injection Phase..
If we take a Point 70 hp with kp35 arrivals to 100/105 cv, with bv35 arrivals to 110/115 cv, with GTB1446V arrives on the 140cv, with GTB1549 or GT1749V say about 170 hp.
The car has a small engine, they could not put a turbine that is too large between the low torque and the turbo lag would become couldn't be handled in daily use or what you do 90% of the owners of this machine.
I also put in the injectors, 95 hp with ir? the flow rate and the time to be taken must be more? reduced. The Cio? if you have over 3000 rpm increases the timing of the 13% with those injectors smokes that you don't see ir? the road behind! Now I can't remember well, but more? 9% over the 3200 rpm you could go to (kp35)
Then ? also for this reason that I say that I don't ? a problem to go in afterburner... but the performance of the pull out on the basis of how much air we can put in. And pi? air then you can give the other diesel... and the horses come out from them.
puntospeed1.3
17-03-2015, 23:55
If we take a Point 70 hp with kp35 arrivals to 100/105 cv, with bv35 arrivals to 110/115 cv, with GTB1446V arrives on the 140cv, with GTB1549 or GT1749V say about 170 hp.
The car has a small engine, they could not put a turbine that is too large between the low torque and the turbo lag would become couldn't be handled in daily use or what you do 90% of the owners of this machine.
I also put in the injectors, 95 hp with ir? the flow rate and the time to be taken must be more? reduced. The Cio? if you have over 3000 rpm increases the timing of the 13% with those injectors smokes that you don't see ir? the road behind! Now I can't remember well, but more? 9% over the 3200 rpm you could go to (kp35)
Then ? also for this reason that I say that I don't ? a problem to go in afterburner... but the performance of the pull out on the basis of how much air we can put in. And pi? air then you can give the other diesel... and the horses come out from them.
I understand very well your reasoning, and you also have reason.
but if you are climbing up to 65mg/stroke or mm3(I still have to understand) why do I have to go to change the time, when I have it nice that it is available.
tutt now citing hio I have a standard map with the time changed to 15% on the 70cv and 1.4 of the press, and 1480 of the rail.
I wanted to do the other type of map do not inject off-angle, and be more accurate then with the advance.
cinqueturbo
18-03-2015, 02:18
If we take a Point 70 hp with kp35 arrivals to 100/105 cv, with bv35 arrivals to 110/115 cv, with GTB1446V arrives on the 140cv, with GTB1549 or GT1749V say about 170 hp.
The car has a small engine, they could not put a turbine that is too large between the low torque and the turbo lag would become couldn't be handled in daily use or what you do 90% of the owners of this machine.
I also put in the injectors, 95 hp with ir? the flow rate and the time to be taken must be more? reduced. The Cio? if you have over 3000 rpm increases the timing of the 13% with those injectors smokes that you don't see ir? the road behind! Now I can't remember well, but more? 9% over the 3200 rpm you could go to (kp35)
Then ? also for this reason that I say that I don't ? a problem to go in afterburner... but the performance of the pull out on the basis of how much air we can put in. And pi? air then you can give the other diesel... and the horses come out from them.
Sorry, but you know how much to inject injectors, 95 hp (mg x 400 characters?
Sorry, but you know how much to inject injectors, 95 hp (mg x 400 characters?
Oh here I do have a technical question on which I do not know' answer. I tried them because? I got them at a low price. Then it seemed to me that high speed to go worse. But maybe it was also a psychological factor, my idea is that since these are made to work at 1600 bar and then having them work at 1400 or 1480 bar does not work in specific. But then again perhaps ? only my impression.
Perhaps by comparing the times at equal pressure rail and the IQ of a file 70cv, and a file of the 90/95 hp you could deduce what they inject in pi?. I'm not very good with formulas...
I analyzed the tables of the times of injection, which are no more then that of the calibration tables of the injectors. That is, the time to inject a tot of mm3 to the determined pressure.
To 1400 BAR we have this situation
IQ-----------------------70CV----95CV
10 mm3------------------379-----369
15 mm3------------------445-----430
24 mm3------------------581-----532
36 mm3------------------770-----691
45 mm3------------------911-----795
55 mm3-----------------1068-----910
65 mm3-----------------1225----1026
Watching, for example, 70 cv, we see that in the 911 us the injectors inject 45mm3 while at the same time and at the same pressure of the rail injectors 95cv inject 10 mm3 of diesel in pi?.
Then I don't know, there will be? some formula that allows to calculate the flow rate of the injectors
cinqueturbo
20-03-2015, 02:27
go to the pompista that has both the tables of the courses and also the equipment to measure them..
Exelion1986
21-03-2015, 17:10
the range you can? calculate from the tables injection is knowing the specifications of the injector
in the first case you have to interpolate a p? the values, why? in fact, the injection time in the map ? the actual, bens? represents the time duration of the signal given to the injector
then ? including the time that the injector takes to open up
alternatively, knowing the number and diameter of holes in the injectors and the pressure of injection, with a couple of formulas of fluid dynamics you can? go back to the range
note that both are theoretical calculations, for the exact value, as it says in cinqueturbo, it is necessary to measure on the bench
However, with these injectors, plus you can use less time or with the same time injecting more? fuel without getting to the substance. This is to confirm my thesis that on this engine, we are not at the limit with the fuel injected but we are at the limit with the little air that can enter the turbine original... Chosen to avoid turbo lag, especially in a motor of low capacity.
They have a 1.3 multijet competition would put at least a GTB1549 or maybe a turbine even more? great!
Exelion1986
21-03-2015, 19:19
gi?, unfortunately, not c'? not much margin on the turbine, and also for the fact that the management ? mechanical
you can give a p? increase to medium, but high enough to make it smoke
how many mg injected total starts to smoke a mjet 70cv stock?
Would be interested to know also to me.thanks
Exelion1986
24-03-2015, 11:52
making a map deceived do not know the precise value, I have never been made to calculate it
we say that a +12/13% on the injection time to rev up the intermediate, and then drop to +6/7% in the high
in this way, smokes slightly at full load, but still accettabilissimo
in fact, I know that you do not smoke more? of the original
cinqueturbo
24-03-2015, 13:32
Speaking of car stock,
a client of mine with panda 70cv demanding and aware of what was going in against
I have disconnected the wastegate then correct the map based on the turbo pressure to keep it from smoking..
stable pressure of 1.55-1.6 Bar injection time with almost 22% in the pi? with injection phase correct..
is circulating from the pi? 2 years almost 3 without any problem,
even getting already? a turbo to replace in case of need, but in vain..
Ela.Toretto
24-03-2015, 13:55
five of how many degrees (if you can? know) have you corrected the advance? ;)
Speaking of car stock,
a client of mine with panda 70cv demanding and aware of what was going in against
I have disconnected the wastegate then correct the map based on the turbo pressure to keep it from smoking..
stable pressure of 1.55-1.6 Bar injection time with almost 22% in the pi? with injection phase correct..
is circulating from the pi? 2 years almost 3 without any problem,
even getting already? a turbo to replace in case of need, but in vain..
But 1.55/1.6 bar with the turbine of the original? I also tried but to those pressures begins to make strange noises. It seems that the bushings did not stand the turns necessary to have those pressures!
cinqueturbo
24-03-2015, 18:29
five of how many degrees (if you can? know) have you corrected the advance? ;)
Ela.Toretto
I don't remember pi? should I re-calculate..now I go to the eye..
9355
But 1.55/1.6 bar with the turbine of the original? I also tried but to those pressures begins to make strange noises. It seems that the bushings did not stand the turns necessary to have those pressures!
Tell m'?.. varies from turbo to turbo,or car to car..
you hear a slight whistle but nothing of that, and the like as well..
Ela.Toretto
24-03-2015, 19:30
Ela.Toretto
I don't remember pi? should I re-calculate..now I go to the eye..
9355
haha I understand, since I mount a larger turbine (which I keep low of pressure for?, 1.4 constants) and +22% of times I wanted to give a little ' advance to avoid raising the pre turbo turbo decreasing equally the fumes (that if pesto are quite evident);)
But +22%), also the last curves? I have a KP35 with impellers and increased the derivation of the Renault, but still more than 15/16% smoke with 1.35 bar constants
cinqueturbo
24-03-2015, 21:22
haha I understand, since I mount a larger turbine (which I keep low of pressure for?, 1.4 constants) and +22% of times I wanted to give a little ' advance to avoid raising the pre turbo turbo decreasing equally the fumes (that if pesto are quite evident);)
But +22%), also the last curves? I have a KP35 with impellers and increased the derivation of the Renault, but still more than 15/16% smoke with 1.35 bar constants
Guys I would be curious to see your maps just to be able to help more? quickly..
however, this and a screen of the injection time parlatosi gi? in this post of 73 pages..
9356
cinqueturbo
24-03-2015, 21:26
haha I understand, since I mount a larger turbine (which I keep low of pressure for?, 1.4 constants) and +22% of times I wanted to give a little ' advance to avoid raising the pre turbo turbo decreasing equally the fumes (that if pesto are quite evident);)
But +22%), also the last curves? I have a KP35 with impellers and increased the derivation of the Renault, but still more than 15/16% smoke with 1.35 bar constants
Guys I would be curious to see your file to help you the most? quickly..
however, this and a screen of the phase of injection of the 70cv drawn from this discussion long 73 pages..
9357
Ela.Toretto
24-03-2015, 22:04
Me for? I have a gp 75cv;) so slightly different from yours regarding the advances;) however wanting I can post my map (although I do not know if it is correct since the topic? of 69cv )
rdponline
26-04-2015, 08:33
nice discussion, you should make a record of all 74 pages, at this point, goes on to the recommendations and ratings, but the maps are now been unveiled. it would take someone of practical in making a document, for example a pdf to enclose the whole.
how many degrees is to you, the limiter in the soi marelli of 70cv?
Errecinque
29-04-2015, 14:17
A confirmation please. on 6jf, 70 hp, we know almost everything, but on the 6f3 that I'm looking at in this period that the management of the turbo via the ecu I wanted to know if the 190 (example) table of maps turbo siginficano 0.9 bar real, and the value 200 1.0 bar real. Thanks
cinqueturbo
29-04-2015, 15:29
A confirmation please. on 6jf, 70 hp, we know almost everything, but on the 6f3 that I'm looking at in this period that the management of the turbo via the ecu I wanted to know if the 190 (example) table of maps turbo siginficano 0.9 bar real, and the value 200 1.0 bar real. Thanks
The Value should be multiplied by BSI cio? 14,5..
cinqueturbo
29-04-2015, 15:31
The Value should be multiplied by BSI cio? 14,5..
I apologize for the error of indication "psi"
Errecinque
29-04-2015, 16:14
sorry, but then if on a road 85cv (cos? they say....) I have golds in the table the value max to 192 means 192x14,5=2784 - 1000 = 1784mbar......I'm not a p? too many?
switing63
30-04-2015, 08:35
The excuse why? if they are PSI multiply by 14.5? PSI if I'm not mistaken ? the abbreviation of Pound per Square Inch or pounds per square inch, and correspond to about 0.07 bar (0,45359237/2,54^2), I don't understand the link with 14.5, someone can? explain please?
cinqueturbo
30-04-2015, 12:19
There are several discrepancies on the exact conversion PSI-BAR
I, however, the calculation x 14.5 and I never had problems with this tool at hand seems to match..
Example 193x14,5=2,798-1024=1,77
cinqueturbo
30-04-2015, 12:21
There are several discrepancies on the exact conversion PSI-BAR
I, however, the calculation x 14.5 and I never had problems with this tool at hand seems to match..
Example 193x14,5=2,798-1024=1,77
http://www.britishmetrics*****/Images/pis-bar.pdf
jacktheripper2
30-04-2015, 14:26
On mjd8 maps turbo does not have the conversion of 14.5. Only the pressure limiter has a conversion 14.
I had a punto evo with gtb1549v and has rolled 180 hp with 2 bars.
jacktheripper2
30-04-2015, 14:31
Unlike all also ? managed the depression by the map (despite it being a 1.3 75 cv mjet2 with fixed geometry), and because of this has very little lag, and already at 2600 rpm has 1.8 bar.
cinqueturbo
30-04-2015, 15:25
A confirmation please. on 6jf, 70 hp, we know almost everything, but on the 6f3 that I'm looking at in this period that the management of the turbo via the ecu I wanted to know if the 190 (example) table of maps turbo siginficano 0.9 bar real, and the value 200 1.0 bar real. Thanks
On mjd8 maps turbo does not have the conversion of 14.5. Only the pressure limiter has a conversion 14.
I had a punto evo with gtb1549v and has rolled 180 hp with 2 bars.
Unlike all also ? managed the depression by the map (despite it being a 1.3 75 cv mjet2 with fixed geometry), and because of this has very little lag, and already at 2600 rpm has 1.8 bar.
You spoke just a 6f3..
it or made different, and 1500giri the do gi? 2.2 Bar to 100% of the pedal..
you'll also explain the 180 hp, you are limited to diesel..
The pump and injectors as you put it?
jacktheripper2
30-04-2015, 15:49
You spoke just a 6f3..
it or made different, and 1500giri the do gi? 2.2 Bar to 100% of the pedal..
you'll also explain the 180 hp, you are limited to diesel..
The pump and injectors as you put it?
Sorry I do not quite understand.. with that turbo have 2.2 bar at 1500 rpm? Why? a turbo ori does not hold that pressure (and I don't think I can still make them at 1500 rpm), a turbo such as the 1549 them holds up but at 1500 rpm it can not? them.
I don't know why? you say that you explain the 180 hp?!
Pump and injectors are golds and are not limited by the fuel as it smokes a lot even with 2 bars constant and the timing of injection has not even chiss? that increments. Up to 65mm3 are the golds, and then rescaled for what I needed
cinqueturbo
30-04-2015, 18:25
Hahaha s? are you convinced you of what you say, and you think I what can I do?
meet me to find and I'll see what I'm talking about...
are in the province of Salerno in the vicinity of Pompeii..
jacktheripper2
30-04-2015, 18:43
Hahaha s? are you convinced you of what you say, and you think I what can I do?
meet me to find and I'll see what I'm talking about...
are in the province of Salerno in the vicinity of Pompeii..
I can't understand your speech before but it does nothing.
And don't worry about that, I know of various 1.3 in the south who are a lot. One of the y faster and that there are (if not the fastest) is a great friend of mine.
On mjd8 maps turbo does not have the conversion of 14.5. Only the pressure limiter has a conversion 14.
I had a punto evo with gtb1549v and has rolled 180 hp with 2 bars.
Interesting... I have a GTB1549V right here... I wouldn't mind mounting it on my punto 70 hp... and with 2 bars ;) just what then ? to be managed mechanically
Errecinque
01-05-2015, 12:07
There are several discrepancies on the exact conversion PSI-BAR
I, however, the calculation x 14.5 and I never had problems with this tool at hand seems to match..
Example 193x14,5=2,798-1024=1,77
http://www.britishmetrics*****/Images/pis-bar.pdf
I am trying, precisely, to make a road 85cv. So if it was cos? I have already? a map turbo with a max of over 1.7 bar (sti caxxi) ??? Wanting to make a map mean just to have a p? the gloss under in shooting at full load I should not even touch it then ...better to leave it to ori right?
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