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Errecinque
01-05-2015, 12:23
Or throw it l?.....not sar? that 193psi x 0.07 = 13.51 conversion *0.1 = 1.351 bar that seems to me more? realistic? Also saw that I think I have read that the bit of restriction to the turbo are his 1570?

jacktheripper2
01-05-2015, 12:39
The conversion ? 14 and I will say it with certainty

cinqueturbo
01-05-2015, 13:07
Or throw it l?.....not sar? that 193psi x 0.07 = 13.51 conversion *0.1 = 1.351 bar that seems to me more? realistic? Also saw that I think I have read that the bit of restriction to the turbo are his 1570?

The test of the 8 that I advise you to take "as I have done" and check with a pressure gauge or tool to the hand..
anyway, I hope you don't trust the driver of Tita and that you know what and the map Turbo-Lim.Turbo-Times An Overboost..

gianni1001
04-05-2015, 19:42
I read that some change in these curves( 06959E) to increase the pressure of the diesel fuel, you know? ? a hoax?

greetings
sorry what ecu are you talking about?which model ?
Thanks a lot

Danny
04-05-2015, 22:15
Jack, what do you know, you drive fast!

Cooomuqnue, conversion factor ? 14, as he also said Jack.
The other thing, cinqueturbo....100% of the pedal, what do you mean?

Errecinque
04-05-2015, 23:35
The test of the 8 that I advise you to take "as I have done" and check with a pressure gauge or tool to the hand..
anyway, I hope you don't trust the driver of Tita and that you know what and the map Turbo-Lim.Turbo-Times An Overboost..

94489447

you say these? they are correct? the values here seem to have a greater? real....

Danny
04-05-2015, 23:43
Yes, the value for the conversion ? 14.

Ela.Toretto
05-05-2015, 08:16
but these maps in the 6f3 that do not handle the prex turbo from the map (but the maps are still present), in the case of turbines increased, must be moddate equally or are inactive as you ? always said?

cinqueturbo
05-05-2015, 13:22
but these maps in the 6f3 that do not handle the prex turbo from the map (but the maps are still present), in the case of turbines increased, must be moddate equally or are inactive as you ? always said?

Not and what are the Lim.Press.Turbo?

Danny
06-05-2015, 00:11
They are nothing, on 6f3 no dpf 75hp, can remain stock.

Errecinque
06-05-2015, 22:22
Yes, the value for the conversion ? 14.

The s? he was referring to the fact that the screen is correct?

dariuccio
Guys the map injection zoned as it is called in the ecm ? a map 16x24, ? a map that is called in the real world? main injection as a photo:

5966

the X-axis indicates the pressure ( rail Pressure engineering and filtered ) measured in Bar conversion factor 2,000000
the y-axis indicates the QI ( also called the map Qmain ) measured in mm3/str conversion factor 0,002930
the Z-axis indicates the time, expressed in us ( microseconds ) without conversion

the arrey of the map ? conversion method ( Pressure rail engineering and filtered , Qmain ) /uS

I know that ? a post is quite old but looking at it I was curious about one thing:
if the iq maximum reach 65mg but in the map rail arriaviamo 45 means that not c'? need to map it to the end?
you map the whole only if you raise the break of the other maps to reach 65mg?

jacktheripper2
I know that ? a post is quite old but looking at it I was curious about one thing:
if the iq maximum reach 65mg but in the map rail arriaviamo 45 means that not c'? need to map it to the end?
you map the whole only if you raise the break of the other maps to reach 65mg?

The map of the injection times for me to not be touched if you do not want to go over 65mm3.. of course you have to know all the limiters for?.

fire
jack but 65mm3 you get there only by giving the request to the pedal, lowering the lambda, and the lim IQtemp that the ecm calls erronamente "lim torque" ?

jacktheripper2
jack but 65mm3 you get there only by giving the request to the pedal, lowering the lambda, and the lim IQtemp that the ecm calls erronamente "lim torque" ?

No, there are other limiters to unlock only the driver and those known by all

Ela.Toretto
very interesting... small question on the fly on the lambda... you than the dropped? I do 3% on all 2 maps... going back to the iq, however, touching the rail, therefore inietteremo of more than 65 right? even if just a little...

jacktheripper2
very interesting... small question on the fly on the lambda... you than the dropped? I do 3% on all 2 maps... going back to the iq, however, touching the rail, therefore inietteremo of more than 65 right? even if just a little...

The lambda should be made not in %, but giving values of Afr that you want to use, personally I virtually all over the map, lambda according to the needs. The pressure on the diesel it has nothing to do with the scope, raising the pressure simply inietteremo the same amount in a time slightly lower. For normal maps, however, do not need to find all limiters, so 50-55mm3 be more than good to me.. Personally I will do some with 65mm3 and turbo gold, because I have been requested thrusts and didn't care to smoke as ferries..

fire
then for the 55mm3 only lambda and lim torque is known and the pedal you can do?

jacktheripper2
then for the 55mm3 only lambda and lim torque is known and the pedal you can do?

You without any major issues

Ela.Toretto

jacktheripper2


I make it a table with winols and real values of afr

isfedale82
The lambda should be made not in %, but giving values of Afr that you want to use, personally I virtually all over the map, lambda according to the needs. The pressure on the diesel it has nothing to do with the scope, raising the pressure simply inietteremo the same amount in a time slightly lower. For normal maps, however, do not need to find all limiters, so 50-55mm3 be more than good to me.. Personally I will do some with 65mm3 and turbo gold, because I have been requested thrusts and didn't care to smoke as ferries..

hello, could you tell some more information on the lambda....thanks....the logic to follow

fire
the fact of conversion in the lambda somebody knows?

jacktheripper2
hello, could you tell some more information on the lambda....thanks....the logic to follow

The lambda is a limiter in the function of the air sucked in, from there it goes from if that with low load, and therefore low pressure turbo and low values of air mass sucked into the lambda can be left original or modified a little, also why so much with little load is not limited because a diesel runs very lean with the Afr much higher than it is in the map, lambda, and when you will be close to full load, with high values of turbo pressure/intake air the should I adjust in function of how much fuel you want to inject. Make a log for the road watch how much air you have in the various revs of the engine and from there you adjust.

jacktheripper2
the fact of conversion in the lambda somebody knows?

lambda 1= 768 points

fire
off topic:the 70cv as a file 448kb, mo read with the rooster, the mo read with mpps the file that are interchangeable? why do I have to make a today in the afternoon which I block with the mpps to 100%(error in data block), and then I wrote without even id do ecu with fgtech v54.....I don't think I have even read the file and written directly to the ori read with mpps...but I don't know if some string perhaps changes in the file..what do you say?

isfedale82
The lambda is a limiter in the function of the air sucked in, from there it goes from if that with low load, and therefore low pressure turbo and low values of air mass sucked into the lambda can be left original or modified a little, also why so much with little load is not limited because a diesel runs very lean with the Afr much higher than it is in the map, lambda, and when you will be close to full load, with high values of turbo pressure/intake air the should I adjust in function of how much fuel you want to inject. Make a log for the road watch how much air you have in the various revs of the engine and from there you adjust.

I so I try to understand more...if there is a lambda and optimal for various rpm and engine load that will depend on how many hp you want or if you want to save fuel.....

fire
what do you think ? after the load...I hope to inject mg + without having to touch the injection times

fire
sorry this rar not the first

puntospeed1.3
what do you think ? after the load...I hope to inject mg + without having to touch the injection times

seondo me not to inject

fire
Always 38mm3.. Tried it but not inject... What's missing jack?

puntospeed1.3
a limiter iq by unlock to go over 45mg is this: on the file 70cv point:Num SW: 1064P348 Dis FIAT: 55186608
address:068118
the original is 45mg
with this now an injection-55.
I don't know if it is the only one or are there others set to arrive at the iq higher.

Errecinque
Sorry but on Stroke 70 horsepower is There anyone who has managed to overcome the 1450 bar rail without having power cuts with the flashing malfunction indicator light? I have already tried all the limiters and the bits of 775 of which we have spoken, but the machine is cutting always. I would be curious to know if I am missing something, or if it fails on that ecu. Thanks

cinqueturbo
Sorry but on Stroke 70 horsepower is There anyone who has managed to overcome the 1450 bar rail without having power cuts with the flashing malfunction indicator light? I have already tried all the limiters and the bits of 775 of which we have spoken, but the machine is cutting always. I would be curious to know if I am missing something, or if it fails on that ecu. Thanks

Have Knowledge of how does a Common Rail? In particular, the CP1 of the 70cv?
Could it be that this CP1 cannot reach it, and then ask for too much and fails?
Do you want to take away the itch?
mounting a Common Rail of the 90hp (CP1H) "even if these are the artist.. they have more pressure but less flow"..

Ela.Toretto

cinqueturbo


1550 Bar CP1 Ori? if you are within 200Km you have come to find I see with my own eyes, I offer you breakfast, lunch, dinner...
with the pistons I believe, but times ie ori
I have had serious problems with a car with injectors (20mg) x 4 in addition to the pumping I had to put the rotor from 85mm and carcass MBenz for stabilizzarmi +- 16000 bar

Ela.Toretto

Ela.Toretto
of course, the cp1 ori

passion engines
on the 75 6f3 you can go to the other 1480, you also need to change the pump low pressure and other things from the map........surely where thou hast described are specialists for that model of car and ecu...........

Ela.Toretto
eheh the problem are the other things in the map xD

Errecinque
Then give me a bit of a straight. Now they are to the cell as soon as I can I'll post the map. Now that finished the season I can get rid a few minutes of time I can do a bit of testing. Today, I brought GOLD everything that I had increased to try to climb with the bar of the rail, but surprise, the flashing of the light in the moment of maximum torque is not gone.according to you which map I moddato improperly or as a limiter that I'm missing to get rid of the problem? Remember that it is of the first stroke 70 hp 2003. And, a part from this the car goes very well. Thanks

Danny
With how much bar rail you blinks? Error code?

Andrea1
@ danny it would be handy to know how many bars you have increased and their errors... a log would be ideal to understand (usually I do)
in addition to the map of the rail pressure have also increased the respective limiter?

Errecinque
This is really the point. I was sure it was the fault of the map rail increased with their respective limiters, and bits (at least the ones that I know of) the culprit of the flashing and also reporting all changes concerning the price of the rail to the original values flashes the same. Now I turn on the PC and I'll post the map. Thanks!

Errecinque
Here it is ! I attach ori , the previous map with rail mod and the map currently loaded with rail gold that flashes equally
if you notice some deficiency to be correct I'll be very grateful. thanks to all



Andrea1

do you remember how many bar did you set the rail in the new map?

Errecinque
07-10-2015, 21:52


Sorry....... I also tried this with other mods but nothing flashing, was always present

Errecinque

do you remember how many bar did you set the rail in the new map?

Speech diagnosis: as soon as I get back from my friend I plug it in and verify it, and rightly, if by some mistake (but I doubt it since it does not remain switched on the light, and what is linked
the bar I tried to set it to 1500, then down to see if smatteva to cut but I repeat also with the values of the rail original the do the same, for that I ask for a verification of the map if someone can tell me where can be the error evidently is not related to the only rail

Andrea1
I would try to load the original map and not the one before the last edit.. but I don't understand why the light blinks only when you ask for the maximum of the pair and remains on.. mah!

Exelion1986
same problem here... here we are again :)
the parity changes a point in the second series, the restyling has not given me problems in 1470 bar (1400 gold +5%)
on the race instead, that value blinks, a bit of time I set to 1450 bar and no problem
I do not think that they remain errors in diagnosis, it seems to be some limiter because the files of the two cars are not perfectly equal in all areas

Errecinque
same problem here... here we are again :)
the parity changes a point in the second series, the restyling has not given me problems in 1470 bar (1400 gold +5%)
on the race instead, that value blinks, a bit of time I set to 1450 bar and no problem
I do not think that they remain errors in diagnosis, it seems to be some limiter because the files of the two cars are not perfectly equal in all areas
To me it continues to flash even with maps, rail original. Can you give me a look at the file I posted above if you see some anomaly in the rest of the map that can give me that problem of blinking? Thanks

Exelion1986
with the map ori does the same? I have just a moment of time I try to see your file

Errecinque
with the map ori does the same? I have just a moment of time I try to see your file

Would you do me a big favor..***** and the rest you have already done previously. Thanks

Andrea1
Errecinque at the end you have managed to discover the cause of the light?

Errecinque
Errecinque at the end you have managed to discover the cause of the light?
The car is a friend, I always have it on hand but I have the head of a mule, and sooner or later I will discover the solution.

Danny
05-11-2015, 00:34
same problem here... here we are again :)
the parity changes a point in the second series, the restyling has not given me problems in 1470 bar (1400 gold +5%)
on the race instead, that value blinks, a bit of time I set to 1450 bar and no problem
I do not think that they remain errors in diagnosis, it seems to be some limiter because the files of the two cars are not perfectly equal in all areas

Normal, I very often happened that even with the same number of hw and sw, one was even if I asked 1500, it was restricted and amen, without having to turn on lights...other burned spies.

Errecinque
Normal, I very often happened that even with the same number of uhw and sw, one was even if I asked 1500, it was restricted and amen, without having to turn on lights...other burned spies.
Then you say that there is no solution?

Andrea1
cabbage but there will be a way to reset the ecu? even at the cost of eliminating the error in the map and then turn it back on.. in the end you have checked in the diagnoses the errors?

franco-electr
faberecu which folder to map 3d I have to put your files for an upgrade?
thanks to the availability

mate89
Normal, I very often happened that even with the same number of hw and sw, one was even if I asked 1500, it was restricted and amen, without having to turn on lights...other burned spies.

but they should not be the same ecu with the same hw and same sw? that is, the produce in series and different from one another.

Errecinque



may be this bit, which cuts and flashes the light ?

I try to get up to 150 (75*2eprom) and see what happens...

munro
the image looks very small cannot see it well..

Errecinque
the image looks very small cannot see it well..

See if it goes better....


munro
it looks good...

munro
were you aware of 8f624?

Errecinque
were you aware of 8f624?
Yes, I knew him for the 75hp. The problem I have with a stroke 70cv that I will flash the light seghettando when shooting although I have already raised a 3-bit 775(*2-100=1450) 825(*2-100=1550) multiple other alleged limiters found in the eye.unfortunately, the damos of the 70cv without management turbo and no dpf I can't see it.

munro
Yes, I knew him for the 75hp. The problem I have with a stroke 70cv that I will flash the light seghettando when shooting although I have already raised a 3-bit 775(*2-100=1450) 825(*2-100=1550) multiple other alleged limiters found in the eye.unfortunately, the damos of the 70cv without management turbo and no dpf I can't see it.
I don't think that exists...or at least who is there if he holds on tight...but I know of someone who manages to unlock the rail pressure on these even if I don't ever seen him do...

Exelion1986
excuse the long absence, this time with the work I do not truce... I'll try to be more present
I looked at your file with a rail pressure ori, but I have not seen anything strange
then you have solved the flashing? when in doubt, try to load the map ori, or throws it all away and start again with a mod from scratch

Errecinque
excuse the long absence, this time with the work I do not truce... I'll try to be more present
I looked at your file with a rail pressure ori, but I have not seen anything strange
then you have solved the flashing? when in doubt, try to load the map ori, or throws it all away and start again with a mod from scratch

Flashing not solved.....should I try it on another car similar to see that is not a*physical problem and not of the map. However, the threshold of protection that I put the screen to me enticed, and I'll try as soon as possible.

Danny
The problem is not a car....Looks good all the maps.

Errecinque
The problem is not a car....Looks good all the maps.

How can you be so sure? Have you checked my map and have you noticed something strange?

munro
he probably figured all of this the ecu...but not as you tell you never!!!

project
Errecinque if you can,can you post the file ori and summarize the addresses of the blocks and various limiters so I try to give a hand too.

Danny
he probably figured all of this the ecu...but not as you tell you never!!!




Anyway, no, now do a' look at the file, but you from one look to another. Of rail, usually, or salt, or you will turn off.

Danny
068596 what is it?
063F28 according to that logic?
The times, made that way, not make you smoke a bit much?
About the flashing, with rail original, it is strange, try to replace the timing ori, and test.

Errecinque
068596 what is it?
063F28 according to that logic?
The times, made that way, not make you smoke a bit much?
About the flashing, with rail original, it is strange, try to replace the timing ori, and test.

Now, you can reason constructively.... as soon as I'm at the pc I'll give you my answers.

Errecinque
068596 what is it?
063F28 according to that logic?
The times, made that way, not make you smoke a bit much?
About the flashing, with rail original, it is strange, try to replace the timing ori, and test.

068596 = lim rail in f(pboost) eeprom *7.51-100 (so I read somewhere) also found on damos 75hp but with factors different conversion
063F28 are advances and there is another one immediately after

I lost the whole evening to scroll the 2d map of the race 70 with the damos of the gp 75, and I have seen very interesting things, but we talk about it tomorrow...I have the eyes in the orbit.

Danny
And in that way, the anticipations that you need?

Errecinque
And in that way, the anticipations that you need?
I know that is not very logical....but, so the car better and beats you up less...( more than 1 year, that is), don't ask me why. I see her again with a calm and calcolandomi to good degrees of duration on the basis of the iq and cause them to appropriate.

Fede78
Here I am after a bit of time... since I broke the head and the car was in the workshop I put the BV35 the 90HP and ride thereon, the flute and the controller of the 90hp, I made a map maybe a year ago but I never tried.. I will say if I can touch the 1600 bar

Elektroniker
Hi guys, unfortunately I'm new is I can not download the Damos of the 6FJ, someone can tell me where is the management of the wastgate on 70cv? Thanks

Errecinque
Hi guys, unfortunately I'm new is I can not download the Damos of the 6FJ, someone can tell me where is the management of the wastgate on 70cv? Thanks
On 70cv I do not know there is management of the westgate single bit of prot max 1.5 bar . The westgate is the mechanical

Elektroniker
You seemed to have seen the check valve, maybe I'm wrong. For the moment, Thanks

the shiston
hello on 70cv the geometry of the turbine is fixed so there is no electronic control of the wastegate

Errecinque
I take a moment to clarify once and for all, one thing on which even the damos are not clear, and that is, if on these ecu maps with the axis, the motor rpm can be read in the normal direction, or from right to left. Ok, the fact that the Y-axis represents the curves that you see in 2d, but the points of each curve and the X axis as to be interpreted? Because even if I select a map in winols also putting display a 2d or checking the mirror map the accounts did not come to me......

dragusdrake
I take a moment to clarify once and for all, one thing on which even the damos are not clear, and that is, if on these ecu maps with the axis, the motor rpm can be read in the normal direction, or from right to left. Ok, the fact that the Y-axis represents the curves that you see in 2d, but the points of each curve and the X axis as to be interpreted? Because even if I select a map in winols also putting display a 2d or checking the mirror map the accounts did not come to me......
In that sense you will not return the accounts? The axes are from left to right , the Z , i.e. the map, from right to left

Errecinque
In that sense you will not return the accounts? The axes are from left to right , the Z , i.e. the map, from right to left

If you select a map, and open F properties e.g. rail pressure then with WinOLS to Display in text that is in the table even if you tell it to display in 2d or the mirror map, the axes do not go to his place with the z axis

dragusdrake
If you select a map, and open F properties e.g. rail pressure then with WinOLS to Display in text that is in the table even if you tell it to display in 2d or the mirror map, the axes do not go to his place with the z axis

Because they are, on the contrary, "two times"
In the table, you notice it because not only there you have to read from right to left, but also from the bottom to the top

Xtreme0303
Guys I apologize, I have a grande punto 1.3 75hp mj6f3 and I'm slamming the head to increase the rail, I changed the bit from 775 to 900, fixed injection timing, and brought the rail to 1600, from diagnosis fiat comes to us but immediately turns off bringing p088, pressure on the flute, can anyone help me please? thanks

Backgroop
Guys I apologize, I have a grande punto 1.3 75hp mj6f3 and I'm slamming the head to increase the rail, I changed the bit from 775 to 900, fixed injection timing, and brought the rail to 1600, from diagnosis fiat comes to us but immediately turns off bringing p088, pressure on the flute, can anyone help me please? thanks

email the file..

Xtreme0303
here is the original and the test that I'm currently doing, I put the bit from 775 to 900 but nothing... thanks again

Backgroop
here is the original and the test that I'm currently doing, I put the bit from 775 to 900 but nothing... thanks again

the map limiter rail 08E578-08E636
bit limitation 08E6A8
to fit map rail pressure

the shiston
If you turn off is because of the value that supports the sensor is too high, then down for 1500 and see how it goes. Unfortunately, I can see the file but is something like this

Xtreme0303
The sensor on the rail? I have changed the two limiters appointed by backgroop, but they were both were set to 1600 bar, as a map of the rail I modified the one that the ecm called the pressure limiter #1 that goes from 08E75A to 08E832...Maybe I'm wrong to change something, thanks guys for the help, I wanted help no one other than you..

henry pontoons
good evening guys,
has anyone ever checked the pressure sensor to the turbo with one that allows a higher pressure reading?

jacktheripper2
good evening guys,
has anyone ever checked the pressure sensor to the turbo with one that allows a higher pressure reading?

You... your mapper.....

henry pontoons
You... your mapper.....


henry pontoons
You... your mapper.....


Fede87
also of interest to me..

puntospeed1.3
hi.then.
I would like to make a summary on the rail pressure of the 70cv 6jf. how are you placed? wanting to make 1500bar without light.
-double-bit 775
-lim 'prail.vs boost' value 199
-map rail ipostata 1600(offset-100)
-lim rail vs temp diesel fuel.
-other lim rail at the end of the map (shape seghetta)
-inserted injection time in any of the boxes missing of 1600 and 1800 bar.

no warning light. pressure flickering at full load. error p088.
news?

Backgroop


The boys still it is not clear how to increase the pressure on the diesel?
here is a map of a 69cv 1.3 mjet where the pressure of diesel I brought it to 1650 bar

the map and already informed and complete



Errecinque


The boys still it is not clear how to increase the pressure on the diesel?
here is a map of a 69cv 1.3 mjet where the pressure of diesel I brought it to 1650 bar

the map and already informed and complete




There is no like button so thanks for sharing

Backgroop
There is no like button so thanks for sharing


giuseppe89
Thanks a lot backgroop!

Errecinque


The boys still it is not clear how to increase the pressure on the diesel?
here is a map of a 69cv 1.3 mjet where the pressure of diesel I brought it to 1650 bar

the map and already informed and complete




06556C not be changed even that?

Backgroop
06556C not be changed even that?

No should Not be changed, that bit is only part of a breakepoint that indicates the x-axis of the map with Max fuel quantity map maximum amount of fuel)
The breakpoint is called Eng. Speed proc. - Current engine speed (steps motor speed - actual motor speed)


Backgroop
No should Not be changed, that bit is only part of a breakepoint that indicates the x-axis of the map with Max fuel quantity map maximum amount of fuel)
The breakpoint is called Eng. Speed proc. - Current engine speed (steps motor speed - actual motor speed)



Riallego Image because the link does not work

Errecinque
Riallego Image because the link does not work

The one shown by me is a bit 1x1 value 800 and the.damos lo limit value of the rail. The address refers to the map posted by you on the Y

Backgroop
The one shown by me is a bit 1x1 value 800 and the.damos lo limit value of the rail. The address refers to the map posted by you on the Y

with which damos are you checking the map? if you use 8df changes a lot, you have to use damos 6jf. and only a starting point of the breakpoint, and trust in the map that I posted is already tested.

Errecinque
with which damos are you checking the map? if you use 8df changes a lot, you have to use damos 6jf. and only a starting point of the breakpoint, and trust in the map that I posted is already tested.

You are right on the map 6jf there is this bit, it's only on 75

Xtreme0303
Backgroop thanks ������on the 75hp is there anything else to change in order to raise the rail?

Backgroop
Backgroop thanks ��, on the 75hp is there anything else to change in order to raise the rail?

Edit those that you have indicated in the file example and the head does not have a problem of flickering of prrssione and DTC

puntospeed1.3


The boys still it is not clear how to increase the pressure on the diesel?
here is a map of a 69cv 1.3 mjet where the pressure of diesel I brought it to 1650 bar

the map and already informed and complete




tell you only thank you!

puntospeed1.3
however, I tried but the machine does not turn on...put the other file on.
I would not like I touched on something too... even if the addresses that I copied the report verbatim, with my files...
I attach the file ori and MOD only rail 1600

puntospeed1.3

puntospeed1.3
All fixed... maybe I had escaped the mouse over a point. And anyway, with the only difference that the address 068790 I value 213. While the file y has the 725.

guidotacco


The boys still it is not clear how to increase the pressure on the diesel?
here is a map of a 69cv 1.3 mjet where the pressure of diesel I brought it to 1650 bar

the map and already informed and complete




thanks for the information

henry pontoons
All fixed... maybe I had escaped the mouse over a point. And anyway, with the only difference that the address 068790 I value 213. While the file y has the 725.


henry pontoons



jacktheripper2


The trovu to 6000...

Backgroop
Hello to create the rev limiter the maps in question, or, rather, the limiters are before map injection

puntospeed1.3


Put 250.. all ok tried up to 1600bar

henry pontoons
The trovu to 6000...


henry pontoons
Put 250.. all ok tried up to 1600bar

hmm I find lots of bits with this value -.-" more or less is near to the map the pedal?

henry pontoons
Hello to create the rev limiter the maps in question, or, rather, the limiters are before map injection


henry pontoons
Hello to create the rev limiter the maps in question, or, rather, the limiters are before map injection


ok, l I have found after two-bit they do : the 175 and 125. set to 4300 but not funzioniona. after the 4300 there are a couple of bits to 00000, and then the map main inj. I set wrong something else?

Danny
There is only a single bit set to 6000 before the time of injection...One, and only one , single, a mind of its own xD

henry pontoons
Hello to create the rev limiter the maps in question, or, rather, the limiters are before map injection


henry pontoons
There is only a single bit set to 6000 before the time of injection...One, and only one , single, a mind of its own xD


Danny
You have done something wrong...

henry pontoons
You have done something wrong...


henry pontoons
on the contrary, now that I have reviewed the well logs on the p rail measured I 1480 bar and on the p-rail goal I only have 1450 :O but I climb to 1600 bar! does anyone know why this is?

Danny
But that car is

henry pontoons
But that car is

Grande punto 1.3 mjt 75 hp, with ecu mjd6f3hw04p

Danny

henry pontoons



puntospeed1.3

To 1600bar, you need to set 1700bar in map rail. has the offset-100

henry pontoons
To 1600bar, you need to set 1700bar in map rail. has the offset-100


henry pontoons
To 1600bar, you need to set 1700bar in map rail. has the offset-100

sorry if I break it, but with what you want to say that the map-rail, ori already has values from 1600 bar? because the one that I found in the higher values is 1604 bar....I was wrong for the case?

puntospeed1.3
sorry if I break it, but with what you want to say that the map-rail, ori already has values from 1600 bar? because the one that I found in the higher values is 1604 bar....I was wrong for the case?

you, but auto we talk about..? we were discussing 6jf as well as the file posted backroop, clarifies everything.

puntospeed1.3
I take the opportunity to ask a question of something that happened to me a few days ago.
on An ecu MJD6JFHW01ANum SW: 1064P148 Dis FIAT: 55186609 locked to the carelessness of mine, the file cannot be found
we put a backup panda MJD6JFHW02A Num SW:1098S454 Dis FIAT: 51872438 among other things, the only one that started among many, inexplicably.

The car is perfect remapped and everything is fine, But at 3000 rpm, clutch position and standing is type launch control; or commonly, as do the new gpevo etc..
do you know if that file panda is really so?? also on the panda? in the map I have not touched nnt of strange.
thanks.

Danny
How have you locked the 1064p148?
Anyway, Henry, the rail if it is a 6f3 75 hp to 1400 bar, and limited to 1460 bar, and other values. Here's why you salt the lens. If s****them 1500 bar measured, easily, you will turn off instantly.

puntospeed1.3
How have you locked the 1064p148?
Anyway, Henry, the rail if it is a 6f3 75 hp to 1400 bar, and limited to 1460 bar, and other values. Here's why you salt the lens. If s****them 1500 bar measured, easily, you will turn off instantly.

cio put it inside a p348.

puntospeed1.3
I take the opportunity to ask a question of something that happened to me a few days ago.
on An ecu MJD6JFHW01ANum SW: 1064P148 Dis FIAT: 55186609 locked to the carelessness of mine, the file cannot be found
we put a backup panda MJD6JFHW02A Num SW:1098S454 Dis FIAT: 51872438 among other things, the only one that started among many, inexplicably.

The car is perfect remapped and everything is fine, But at 3000 rpm, clutch position and standing is type launch control; or commonly, as do the new gpevo etc..
do you know if that file panda is really so?? also on the panda? in the map I have not touched nnt of strange.
thanks.

I don't understand xke me down to 3000 rpm with the car only stops with the clutch pressed in!!!, and then leave as soon as you move the wheels.
yet I made no changes regarding the launch control.

henry pontoons
you, but auto we talk about..? we were discussing 6jf as well as the file posted backroop, clarifies everything.

already written above: grande punto 1.3 75 hp with mjd6f3hw04p

henry pontoons
I don't understand xke me down to 3000 rpm with the car only stops with the clutch pressed in!!!, and then leave as soon as you move the wheels.
yet I made no changes regarding the launch control.



henry pontoons
How have you locked the 1064p148?
Anyway, Henry, the rail if it is a 6f3 75 hp to 1400 bar, and limited to 1460 bar, and other values. Here's why you salt the lens. If s****them 1500 bar measured, easily, you will turn off instantly.


zioweb
Graaazieeeeeeeeeeeee!

alex210392
Hi guys I join in to the discussion, my friend and I we've found some maps in the file ori a run 69cv, from the outset the race in question mounts the pump 90hp and turbine giulietta 1.6 fixed geometry, I would like to understand how to increase the pressure recovery turbo, in the meantime I am using a resistor that tricks the map.
In the attachment there is the file ori with the egr off, mod file that is on the run and an excel spreadsheet with the addresses you found so far in the map

henry pontoons
Hi guys I join in to the discussion, my friend and I we've found some maps in the file ori a run 69cv, from the outset the race in question mounts the pump 90hp and turbine giulietta 1.6 fixed geometry, I would like to understand how to increase the pressure recovery turbo, in the meantime I am using a resistor that tricks the map.
In the attachment there is the file ori with the egr off, mod file that is on the run and an excel spreadsheet with the addresses you found so far in the map

I can't download the file, but if it is as I think there are 2 limiters are set at 1500 to turn up what you need...

henry pontoons
I take the opportunity to ask a question of something that happened to me a few days ago.
on An ecu MJD6JFHW01ANum SW: 1064P148 Dis FIAT: 55186609 locked to the carelessness of mine, the file cannot be found
we put a backup panda MJD6JFHW02A Num SW:1098S454 Dis FIAT: 51872438 among other things, the only one that started among many, inexplicably.

The car is perfect remapped and everything is fine, But at 3000 rpm, clutch position and standing is type launch control; or commonly, as do the new gpevo etc..
do you know if that file panda is really so?? also on the panda? in the map I have not touched nnt of strange.
thanks.


Danny
Eh, if you take Na panda 4x4 is doing the same thing (from which comes the file golds that she used).

alex210392
I can't download the file, but if it is as I think there are 2 limiters are set at 1500 to turn up what you need...

ok perfect I will try to find them, possibly you need to also change the map sensor or is the original?

Danny
If you are a 6jf, you can change it (and linearize), just to get a reading from the diagnosis, and eventual recovery to the value that you set.
If you're on a 6f3 no dpf are the same as above.
If you're on a 6f3 with a dpf, you need to change and streamline, otherwise you're out of control with management to depression.

alex210392
If you are a 6jf, you can change it (and linearize), just to get a reading from the diagnosis, and eventual recovery to the value that you set.
If you're on a 6f3 no dpf are the same as above.
If you're on a 6f3 with a dpf, you need to change and streamline, otherwise you're out of control with management to depression.

ok thanks again, then it would be advisable to put and edit a 4-pin type 147 or 159 in a way that does not lose the recovery, now it only remains for me to understand what are the bits limiters, and follow the entire post and researching the value of 1500 on the entire map come out many addresses, some also relating to the breakpoint related to the spins of the different maps

Danny
Yes, but not only do you have to put the sensor...You also have to linearize

henry pontoons
ok thanks again, then it would be advisable to put and edit a 4-pin type 147 or 159 in a way that does not lose the recovery, now it only remains for me to understand what are the bits limiters, and follow the entire post and researching the value of 1500 on the entire map come out many addresses, some also relating to the breakpoint related to the spins of the different maps


alex210392


thanks a lot very kind of the tag data of the ecu are these:

Marelli
Num HW: 01246JO01D
Opel 1.3 Multijet
Num SW: 1320X177
Part. Num:: 55187472
Cod OMO: 0400163

alex210392


from the outset one of the bits in the limiters with a value of 1500 by comparing my map ori with that of the post I found is located at the address 061EFC (max. pressure relief compared to P. ATM) while the other bit limiter that is located near, that should be 061F52 I find with a value of 65535, which apparently is not related to the turbo pressure

alex210392
I wanted to contribute by sharing this excel spreadsheet containing the addresses and maps, and unearthed so far in my ecu mounted on a opel corsa c 1.3 cdti 69cv Marelli Num HW: 01246JO01D Num SW: 1320X177 Part. Num:: 55187472 Cod OMO: 0400163
I hope I have done something pleasing for any errors trascrittura let me know

henry pontoons
from the outset one of the bits in the limiters with a value of 1500 by comparing my map ori with that of the post I found is located at the address 061EFC (max. pressure relief compared to P. ATM) while the other bit limiter that is located near, that should be 061F52 I find with a value of 65535, which apparently is not related to the turbo pressure


henry pontoons
from the outset one of the bits in the limiters with a value of 1500 by comparing my map ori with that of the post I found is located at the address 061EFC (max. pressure relief compared to P. ATM) while the other bit limiter that is located near, that should be 061F52 I find with a value of 65535, which apparently is not related to the turbo pressure


alex210392


I have not yet tried the bit moddato, I think tomorrow I will try, in the meantime, I read the post earlier but about my ecu a file has been loaded already ready but I can't download it but the posts have helped me a lot to find the other hidden maps by comparing the files

alex210392
Also moddando the bit in question does not change the situation will always limit at 1.5 bar

henry pontoons
Also moddando the bit in question does not change the situation will always limit at 1.5 bar


henry pontoons
Also moddando the bit in question does not change the situation will always limit at 1.5 bar


alex210392


following your advice I modified only the number of bits 6a1ee and 62900, because the address 40600 I find value "32106" if there is not a conversion factor, 64180 would be the ladder rounds of any map that comes after , 66280, and 66292 are part of a map that still not is clear to me, that starts at the address 66250 to finish 662d0, while in the address 68aa0 me find myself inside another map (I think) where the bp higher is fixed to 1875 now I try with only those two bits moddati and control, in the meantime, not enough thanks for your advice and for the patience you are having with me and with this ecu

henry pontoons
following your advice I modified only the number of bits 6a1ee and 62900, because the address 40600 I find value "32106" if there is not a conversion factor, 64180 would be the ladder rounds of any map that comes after , 66280, and 66292 are part of a map that still not is clear to me, that starts at the address 66250 to finish 662d0, while in the address 68aa0 me find myself inside another map (I think) where the bp higher is fixed to 1875 now I try with only those two bits moddati and control, in the meantime, not enough thanks for your advice and for the patience you are having with me and with this ecu


alex210392

There are news, it would seem that I have exceeded the limit of 1.5 bar of turbo pressure, moddando addresses 61EFC 62902 and 6A1F0 not leave, however, I have realized that I lose a little on the upswing and so I dabbled to change one bit at a time to determine which was the creator, coming at the end of the bits to modify are only 2 that is, 61EFC and 6A1F0 for now I have the car in testing to determine if you really no longer limits then after step to increase the rail pressure.

Question off-topic: I already mount the high pressure pump of the 90hp so I could turn easily to 1600 bar with the injectors still original, but that sensor/pressure regulator that is located close enough to remain so detached as it is or you have to get him to get the 12 v to activate it?

henry pontoons
There are news, it would seem that I have exceeded the limit of 1.5 bar of turbo pressure, moddando addresses 61EFC 62902 and 6A1F0 not leave, however, I have realized that I lose a little on the upswing and so I dabbled to change one bit at a time to determine which was the creator, coming at the end of the bits to modify are only 2 that is, 61EFC and 6A1F0 for now I have the car in testing to determine if you really no longer limits then after step to increase the rail pressure.

Question off-topic: I already mount the high pressure pump of the 90hp so I could turn easily to 1600 bar with the injectors still original, but that sensor/pressure regulator that is located close enough to remain so detached as it is or you have to get him to get the 12 v to activate it?


alex210392


Seemed limited, but after I realized that the switch that I put in parallel on the resistance of the map does not work i.e. it remains always open so I'm back to the point, and white, in the morning, the beginning of the map rail

Backgroop
Seemed limited, but after I realized that the switch that I put in parallel on the resistance of the map does not work i.e. it remains always open so I'm back to the point, and white, in the morning, the beginning of the map rail

This and everything else that you need to change to not have recovery pressure turbo

069f4e from 1500 lead to 2000
069f6c-069f6e lead to 6000
06a196 1280 bring up to 2000
0694DE-06959C from 32767 to bring to 4100

alex210392
This and everything else that you need to change to not have recovery pressure turbo

069f4e from 1500 lead to 2000
069f6c-069f6e lead to 6000
06a196 1280 bring up to 2000
0694DE-06959C from 32767 to bring to 4100

Hello backgroop I followed your advice but the turbo now opens the max to 1.2 bar I thought it was the map but ancje making this animal believe with the resistance of the situation does not change, l ultomp value is 4100 or 41000?
Thanks again very kind

alex210392
Solved! I reported the original values from 0694DE -06959C and does not limit for the time p.s. a gt1446SZ derivation giulietta's 1.6 105cv those bar works without destroying it?

jacktheripper2
Solved! I reported the original values from 0694DE -06959C and does not limit for the time p.s. a gt1446SZ derivation giulietta's 1.6 105cv those bar works without destroying it?


There are news, it would seem that I have exceeded the limit of 1.5 bar of turbo pressure, moddando addresses 61EFC 62902 and 6A1F0 not leave, however, I have realized that I lose a little on the upswing and so I dabbled to change one bit at a time to determine which was the creator, coming at the end of the bits to modify are only 2 that is, 61EFC and 6A1F0 for now I have the car in testing to determine if you really no longer limits then after step to increase the rail pressure.

Question off-topic: I already mount the high pressure pump of the 90hp so I could turn easily to 1600 bar with the injectors still original, but that sensor/pressure regulator that is located close enough to remain so detached as it is or you have to get him to get the 12 v to activate it?

I first of all, I would ask one thing.. If you've mounted the pump 90hp means that your preparer you have mounted in a certain way.. and if he has done certain things is because, if not, the car would not start even.. and Then I wonder why you want to change what has been done if the machine works....In any case, you can raise even at 1600 bar and more.
The 1446 is holding 1.8 bar fixed, in addition to the risk of crush it in a short time..

Ps: If someone follows the machine (be it mechanical or electronic) don't know how much it would be happy to know that you go on to say some tricks to make things go after that there's lost time..

alex210392
Hello jacktheripper82 I don't have a trainer, the pump I mounted from just after a batch of diesel wiring has blown the pump ori from 70cv if you want I'll explain how I did it, so volelo know if that sensor/regulator needed something, now I just have to unlock from the map, the prex rail, and I would not go over 1600bar for now with the injectors original or can I?

Backgroop
The value is 41000, however, the addresses were those.. have fun the turbo can spungere to 2.0 bar 2.2 peak without dannegiarlo

alex210392
The value is 41000, however, the addresses were those.. have fun the turbo can spungere to 2.0 bar 2.2 peak without dannegiarlo

Thank you so much yet backgroop at the end I brought it back to ori that value because in the meantime I tested it with a 4100 and had a couple while at 41000 was not in motion, putting the original value is no longer limited
thank you so much for all the tips that you're giving me

alex210392
I tried to raise the rail pressure up to 1600 bar from the map I've redone the map rail and unlocked the bit limiter but the pressure 1600 appears only in the desired while in the actual get max to 1500 and it flashes the indicator light mil with small strattonamenti given that fails to exceed the threshold of 1500, in the map case, there is some other bit of the limiter, or you have to bypass the regulator on the pump? in the annex you will find the original and most recent map with rev limiter turbo excluded and map rail already made

thanks again for the help and the patience dedicatomi

Danny
This and everything else that you need to change to not have recovery pressure turbo

069f4e from 1500 lead to 2000
069f6c-069f6e lead to 6000
06a196 1280 bring up to 2000
0694DE-06959C from 32767 to bring to 4100

But also no....Just so many things in less

Danny
I tried to raise the rail pressure up to 1600 bar from the map I've redone the map rail and unlocked the bit limiter but the pressure 1600 appears only in the desired while in the actual get max to 1500 and it flashes the indicator light mil with small strattonamenti given that fails to exceed the threshold of 1500, in the map case, there is some other bit of the limiter, or you have to bypass the regulator on the pump? in the annex you will find the original and most recent map with rev limiter turbo excluded and map rail already made

thanks again for the help and the patience dedicatomi


Indeed, that will not let you off directly is already so much....

alex210392
Indeed, that will not let you off directly is already so much....


Backgroop
But also no....Just so many things in less

In fact, you may want to Suggest Given that you Know how to Be done with so many things in less.
I don't think that without change The 3 limiters on the file of Opel you Except success without having recovery

however, if you have a defense solution, just write two lines, so the try?

alex210392
In fact, you may want to Suggest Given that you Know how to Be done with so many things in less.
I don't think that without change The 3 limiters on the file of Opel you Except success without having recovery

however, if you have a defense solution, just write two lines, so the try?


Danny
No, it's not the regulator. The solution of the regulator is correct.
The problem is in map and not in the release.

Danny
In fact, you may want to Suggest Given that you Know how to Be done with so many things in less.
I don't think that without change The 3 limiters on the file of Opel you Except success without having recovery

however, if you have a defense solution, just write two lines, so the try?

I dii the sense of bringing a limiter to 6000, 4000 or 41000 which is?

alex210392
I the controller does not have it's own touched as they gave me the pump so I adapted to make it fit on my engine

Danny

alex210392


Ok danny thanks a lot now I'll try some to see where to turn with this map apparently is very tricky compared to the marelli of the fiat group

Danny

Quiet, I have a FiSuzOpel, you'll understand xD

henry pontoons
Hello to create the rev limiter the maps in question, or, rather, the limiters are before map injection

I forgot to thank you :) I combined at the end with the rev limiter :)

alex210392
I managed to exceed the limit of 1500 bar rail thanks to the map that has loaded backgroop, but now I have to lower it a bit to a minimum because it seems to smear a bit on and off if you let only clutch, the other question is the fuel injectors of the series 70cv qnt mg can inject max without destroying them? thanks a lot to all

alex210392
for those who want to study the place here, this is the solution for opel,

cinqueturbo
I managed to exceed the limit of 1500 bar rail thanks to the map that has loaded backgroop, but now I have to lower it a bit to a minimum because it seems to smear a bit on and off if you let only clutch, the other question is the fuel injectors of the series 70cv qnt mg can inject max without destroying them? thanks a lot to all

But the air Mass Meter works for you?

Danny
provided that you do not have to mod the p-rail to a minimum, it has no reason to mess up....
Unless you've touched stuff that has nothing to do.

alex210392
the gauge, air works, I just have to figure out which map that face being the high pressure to a minimum because I made a different map by tapping only limiters and the problem doesn't exist with the map that I posted in the previous post to a minimum by diagnosis opcom gave me 39,50 kpa pressure rail and 17 mm3 injected a little too much so imbrattava and then the engine after a accelerated not return to a minimum but died

cinqueturbo
the gauge, air works, I just have to figure out which map that face being the high pressure to a minimum because I made a different map by tapping only limiters and the problem doesn't exist with the map that I posted in the previous post to a minimum by diagnosis opcom gave me 39,50 kpa pressure rail and 17 mm3 injected a little too much so imbrattava and then the engine after a accelerated not return to a minimum but died

I was convinced that there was talk of a 75hp which is already the series is 1550..

Sorry but if you have touched the pressure already 682giri engine what do you suggest? then I see the mod in negative...

check that you have messed up a bit on this file

Danny
Alex, I know that you've a bit of confusion on the different maps of the map.
Personal opinion, it seems to me that you like I to the right and to the left, because some of the things you have done well, but the errors on the other, are abysmal....

alex210392
it is, in fact, I took a cue from the loaded map from backgroop where it comes up to 1650 bar and I'm there in the moment that the pump 90hp works already to those pressures normally, not having a damos of 6J0 me are "trusted" of the map already informed some of the maps didn't like the rail pressure and the injection times others have gone to trust to copy them, as, for example, the bit 06165C that the value 32 is increased to 252 as to 06360C to 06368A 800 rose 910, 068516 from 550 to 900, 068518 from 175 to 185, and so on, now I made a map where I touched only the bit limiters, the pressure rises but it seems that at 3000 rpm there is a vacuum and I remove the turbo without recovery, the map you posted here

Danny
I can't look at it, but sincerely say that you know the map of the times, is a bit too much.
Why have you made that mod, just on the timing?

alex210392
because I thought that doing it in that way as was done in the file backgroop help to rise of pressure in the rail

Danny
How can, times, help you raise rail pressure?
And anyway, back them.
You said to meet you, but now you say it is copied.

alex210392
I would like to study it but I do not know on what to change the values, if there any formula or I don't know, I would be grateful if you give me a hand to understand at least how to calculate them

cinqueturbo
I gather that you do not know what the map rail at this point.. 068650
in addition the changes in the negative are in no way optimal, I advise you to put on the file ori with the egr off and trying hard these marelli

alex210392
I gather that you do not know what the map rail at this point.. 068650
in addition the changes in the negative are in no way optimal, I advise you to put on the file ori with the egr off and trying hard these marelli

068650 would be the map rail in the ecm called split (map1) where on the x-axis we have the rpm and on the y-axis is the iq value of the conversion of 0.002941 while the z axis gives us the rail pressure offset -100 if something wrong correct me, I I now about the map, to change negative what you mean? why by checking the map in addition to the maps, the pedals do not see values dropping below 0

Danny
If you know the conversion factors, you should also understand the map time...
I repeat what I said above, interpetra, by copying you will never understand how it works...
And believe me, that the beauty of these things is to understand how they work...at Least for me!

alex210392
If you know the conversion factors, you should also understand the map time...
I repeat what I said above, interpetra, by copying you will never understand how it works...
And believe me, that the beauty of these things is to understand how they work...at Least for me!

you quoto in full, but I would like to understand how you calculate the times because going behind with the posts there was someone that said, increasing the time also increases the injection amount injected or that kind of stuff so I wanted to know if there was a calculation that is precise, or do you calculate "to ****cchiam" xD, the times are expressed in us (microseconds) on the z axis right?

Danny
What do you find in the time axis?

alex210392
What do you find in the time axis?

INJECTION TIME OF THE MAIN FUNCTION OF RAIL PRESSURE
size 16X24
X-AXIS= p. bar x 2,000000
Y-AXIS= mm3/str 0,002930
Z-AXIS= 1 (us)
INJECTION SPLIT (nomenclature ecm)

Danny
I wonder, in the light of what you write, because you made it that way and according to what principle.
I repeat and I never tire of saying it...
Reasoned, do not accozzaglie of things taken online!

alex210392
I wonder, in the light of what you write, because you made it that way and according to what principle.
I repeat and I never tire of saying it...
Reasoned, do not accozzaglie of things taken online!

And that's really the best xD let's say I know a bit of theory but I have problems in applying it, therefore, take into account samples taken in the network, but in the end we do not understand anything, and here are the results

Danny
Do not take examples of the am type, they just bring you out of the way.

Danny
I dii the sense of bringing a limiter to 6000, 4000 or 41000 which is?

BackGroop, I still wait for you.

Ela.Toretto
add me to the request of Danny... what is that?

alex210392
Do not take examples of the am type, they just bring you out of the way.

the net I've found a damos of the punto 90hp now so I'm comparing with mine, in order to understand the names and the features with the values of the conversion in the meantime I discovered that on my file the map that goes from the address 0694DE to 06959C is a torque limiter in function of T° refrigerant while the other map 8X8 present at the address 06360C is the maximum pressure rail having for the entire map value-eprom 800, which multiplied x 2 with offset -100 us 1500 bar I hope I was helpful to someone discovering these two maps

bob125
Hello, I have read several times all 97 pages, but unfortunately not being able to see the attachments I still have stubborn few steps or some maps..I have both a point 70cv that a grande punto 90 hp re-mapped by a tuner of Turin, which goes for more, but I am not happy, especially the grande punto that has an engine more grumpy and have problems with the turbo..obviously being able to see what has touched the mapper are the party a little advantage, but I don't understand the map times shots: in summary, if I read well, the things indicated by the ecm is not correct. The map is the law in the right direction, each curve indicates an IQ ( for example the max right 60mm3 and then to get off),but how to understand each and every curve, what is the same as the opening of gas?

bob125
They are (in the grande punto 90 hp ) 24 curves, but if there are curves for each rpm are curves on the basis of what?
Thanks.

Errecinque
They are (in the grande punto 90 hp ) 24 curves, but if there are curves for each rpm are curves on the basis of what?
Thanks.

Values are based on the rail pressure and iq in mm3 injected. I have not seen the map but it may be that the abrupt behavior of the machine is due to excessive increases of this map. If you have the tool to write you could try to replace the golds that map and leave the rest

bob125
Values are based on the rail pressure and iq in mm3 injected. I have not seen the map but it may be that the abrupt behavior of the machine is due to excessive increases of this map. If you have the tool to write you could try to replace the golds that map and leave the rest

But the pressure of the rail on the basis of what goes up and down? taking the map of the rail it appears that the gas(load) acting on the pressure!( I thought that was fixed!! sig) The coach I raised a little the final part of all the curves injection time, the lower part, for instance, from 5% up to 10% ( to the right)..so when I am at high pressures, right?

alex210392
But the pressure of the rail on the basis of what goes up and down? taking the map of the rail it appears that the gas(load) acting on the pressure!( I thought that was fixed!! sig) The coach I raised a little the final part of all the curves injection time, the lower part, for instance, from 5% up to 10% ( to the right)..so when I am at high pressures, right?

rpm increases, should increase the rail pressure up to the maximum threshold established in the ecu, it automatically lowered the injection time, because "x" turns must inject "x" mg of diesel fuel, the higher the pressure and the less the opening time of the injector to inject "x" mg, I hope I was clear and have said the right thing because reading the map of my 70cv so it seems to me you understand, if so I think that the operation is in all cars

bob125
Ok then , let's talk about the map injection times, if not, we confuse.*****and you say, taking one of the 24 curves to the sample, the pressure goes up and times go down..also you increase a little the values in the right part of the curve? of all the curves?? then I'd like to understand what it indicates for example the 15 curve, such as 20, etc...that is, I understand, which are the values of IQ rising, but how do I know which corresponds to half throttle? or which 60% of the pedal..??etc.. not to go to the eye..

alex210392
Ok then , let's talk about the map injection times, if not, we confuse.*****and you say, taking one of the 24 curves to the sample, the pressure goes up and times go down..also you increase a little the values in the right part of the curve? of all the curves?? then I'd like to understand what it indicates for example the 15 curve, such as 20, etc...that is, I understand, which are the values of IQ rising, but how do I know which corresponds to half throttle? or which 60% of the pedal..??etc.. not to go to the eye..

then the 24 curves is equivalent to iq (es: 1 curve refers to what happens to 0.19 mm3/str) , instead of the 16 values that you will find in each curve refers to the time of injection (mm3) of fuel to be injected (ex: in the first curve, the first value you will find is "900" then, means for injecting 0.19 mm3/str with 100 bar it takes 900 us)
the conversion factors are 0.002930 for iq (unit of measurement mm3/str) and the rail pressure is eprom x 2 (unit of measurement is in bar) I hope I was clear

bob125
Enough, thanks Alex..***** and you know that the first is 0.19mm3? " str "stands for? I do not understand, then at half throttle ( for example)in which the curve.. maybe I should cross it with other maps, like the one pedal or rail pressure? to understand how iq is asked of you in that moment?
it is better to increase the time where the pressure is highest, to avoid smoke? however, if you want to give more to the lower rpm, since the low pressure is lower, it is necessary to increase a bit (4-5% es) where the curve is highest? is this right reasoning?

alex210392
Enough, thanks Alex..***** and you know that the first is 0.19mm3? " str "stands for? I do not understand, then at half throttle ( for example)in which the curve.. maybe I should cross it with other maps, like the one pedal or rail pressure? to understand how iq is asked of you in that moment?
it is better to increase the time where the pressure is highest, to avoid smoke? however, if you want to give more to the lower rpm, since the low pressure is lower, it is necessary to increase a bit (4-5% es) where the curve is highest? is this right reasoning?

hello is 0.19, because the first value after the 0 in the y-axis is 68 and multiplied by conversion factor 0,002930 there to 0.19 mm3/str, str I don't know what it is but still refers to the request for diesel fuel total rail pressure, I would recommend to lower the timing to avoid smoke because increasing, you'll be injecting when the piston has already reached tdc and then accordingly you will have only a washing of the cylinder with its smoked correct me if I'm wrong around I read that in order to have something the more you should increase the max of 150 points, the map advances correct me here if I'm wrong

bob125
Now I don't have the map in front of, after control for the calculation.. as regards the timing of the injection, if them lower, immetterai less fuel and go less!! and get them up too,instead, fumerai! my trainer had me raised a bit, the right side of all the curves, increasing the time pressure a little higher, ( the car does not smoke).. now I was wondering, if to give more low I had to increase the left part of the curves, the one with the peak so to speak( the time at lower pressures). you Alex you don't know the curve 12 in which the position of the gas/accelerator is?

alex210392
Now I don't have the map in front of, after control for the calculation.. as regards the timing of the injection, if them lower, immetterai less fuel and go less!! and get them up too,instead, fumerai! my trainer had me raised a bit, the right side of all the curves, increasing the time pressure a little higher, ( the car does not smoke).. now I was wondering, if to give more low I had to increase the left part of the curves, the one with the peak so to speak( the time at lower pressures). you Alex you don't know the curve 12 in which the position of the gas/accelerator is?

the curve 12 corresponds to half the iq so I guess a 50% acceleration since the flow is controlled by the accelerator pedal

bob125
str stands for stroke, or stroke or phase ...incomma mm for injected!
does anyone know why there are almost always 2 maps? map 1 and map-affine, then it is not always so equal, in fact... what is the second?

alex210392
str stands for stroke, or stroke or phase ...incomma mm for injected!
does anyone know why there are almost always 2 maps? map 1 and map-affine, then it is not always so equal, in fact... what is the second?

should be the correction of the main

bob125
should be the correction of the main

Correction thing..Bah...I don't understand..Then what is the most important? It is not that one is for a cold engine?

bob125
I have tried to change The timing pertendo by the third curve in then giving a 3% up to,last corner, coming in at a 8% then I modified The limiters and map the pedal and I have noticed a significant improvement then I added a break point of each curve and I noticed that the car pulls better on others.
And can and it was my feeling
Hello, but the third curve you got up 3%, or only a part? I ask because my coach and I got up only the right part of the curve, that is, times at high pressure..
What does it mean to add a break point?
thanks

lsdlsd88
on other ecu's are separate for the pre/post injections.. just try to lower one at a time, you understand which to use when.. if you do not notice the differences probably won't use it xD

bob125
on other ecu's are separate for the pre/post injections.. just try to lower one at a time, you understand which to use when.. if you do not notice the differences probably won't use it xD

Cabbage, but if they were pre-or post-injections, and not the main, should not be changed, in order not to cause irregularities in the engine..
I know it always touches only the main injection

lsdlsd88
for the percentages that you can give usually, do not change too much', what you want it to be 10% on a preiniezione of 1mg...

I am of the idea that they do not get their OWN touch on the times on ste the ecu in any way. have already been calculated for 65mm..

bob125
Already, this is also true, I was just trying to understand why I strattona 5 and 6 at around 2000 rpm..
how to lift the fuel if it does not touch the times? with the rail pressure? to low you can do a lot of pressure, so the bass does not reach the highest peaks.as you pick up , say , 2000 giti will you get max to 1000mmbar. or map the pedal?

lsdlsd88
ask yourself based on which map the ecu decides how much fuel inettare for example, with the pedal 100% to 2000 rpm.

for the jerk, you must take the log, see quatità diesel/fuel rail/turbo as vary..

bob125

in the map pressure there is iq , but there is no pedal..

in which map there is iq and the pedal??

bob125
I can not cross them..the one pedal I request to pair, and then where I'm going to see to switch from torque to iq?
thanks

lsdlsd88
torque and iq are converted linearly, but this is not the point. the point is that you request (example!) 250 Nm from the pedal, and you have a certain iq (if you do the math you'll see that there are about 5 Nm each of the mm3, though it varies a little with the rpm..).
then ask to 290, and you find the same identical iq of the first in the log (and thus the same performance).

where they lost those 50 Nm?

bob125
Interesting , the same iq, because it is not passed to the upper curve of IQ? we would like more curves of IQ to have an operation more homogeneous...tantè that my pedal throttle for a good stretch does nothing..let me explain; the first piece, then since more than half no longer does anything, in the sense that it does not change..

it is possible that at 1900 rpm, with the pedal to 25% of the time I still request the negative torque? right where I strattona more!! maybe ori was, but by changing the rest and also here it is to be raised? can be?
thanks

Errecinque
for the rail pressure is eprom x 2 (unit of measurement is in bar) I hope I was clear
Offset -100 bar

alex210392
Offset -100 bar

sorry xD I forgot

alex210392
I redid a map by touching only limiter limiter pressure turbo, and the rail, the pressure rises even up to more than 1500 bar, but the 3000-3500 rpm I have a vacuum, and then again, from what could it depend? map rail made a ciofeca? I'm attaching the file

dragusdrake
I redid a map by touching only limiter limiter pressure turbo, and the rail, the pressure rises even up to more than 1500 bar, but the 3000-3500 rpm I have a vacuum, and then again, from what could it depend? map rail made a ciofeca? I'm attaching the file

is the 70 hp? the egr you have it closed?

alex210392
is the 70 hp? the egr you have it closed?


Errecinque
I redid a map by touching only limiter limiter pressure turbo, and the rail, the pressure rises even up to more than 1500 bar, but the 3000-3500 rpm I have a vacuum, and then again, from what could it depend? map rail made a ciofeca? I'm attaching the file

Do you think luck that you have, there are people who become obsessed with climbing over 1450 in the 70cv... :-)

alex210392
Do you think luck that you have, there are people who become obsessed with climbing over 1450 in the 70cv... :-)

I get to 160 161 mPa, which translated into bar are 1600 1610 bar, however, strattona and after a while I find these errors in diagnosis, with a corresponding decrease in torque, in the meantime, I reported the bit moddati golds to finish study and to understand something in more in annex ce the image with the errors that I get with the opcom


lsdlsd88
I get to 160 161 mPa, which translated into bar are 1600 1610 bar, however, strattona and after a while I find these errors in diagnosis, with a corresponding decrease in torque,

I did not understand a thing, the problem is only if you raise the rail above a certain threshold? e.g. to 1500 no problem? why you feel the need to lift it?

alex210392
I did not understand a thing, the problem is only if you raise the rail above a certain threshold? e.g. to 1500 no problem? why you feel the need to lift it?

At 1500 I have not tried yet, I felt the need to lift it because I mount the turbine giulietta's 1.6 105cv and pump 90hp, I believe, is the derivation of lancia y, in the future, do I need to mount the nozzles of the 147 1.9 on the injectors original to inject a greater amount of fuel then it seems to me essential to increase the rail pressure

lsdlsd88
in the future, do I need to mount the nozzles of the 147 1.9 on the injectors original to inject a greater amount of fuel then it seems to me essential to increase the rail pressure

perhaps you're confusing? if the injector spray more to inject more fuel in less time then you can/you have to lower the pressure.

alex210392
perhaps you're confusing? if the injector spray more to inject more fuel in less time then you can/you have to lower the pressure.

ah perfect then I leave everything unchanged pressure stock? how is it then that all of us slamming the head to increase are blessed pressure?