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And risottolineo, not c? need moddare many lim for the shooting....just a single bit.
Tuningmotor88
17-12-2013, 12:01
I did not understand what do you mean??
I want to say that it speaks of change of the limiters and maps for the marelli which in this case is in the multijet engines out of the driver that is out of the items that, for example, lists the ecm, there are many
Then changed the bit 06748E (I have a point, but the file has the same addresses of the one posted here.. at least for the rail), and now finally from the time of diagnosis in pressure lens, I have the value which I set in the map of the rail.
Made a map from 1600 bar... but the machine should not be linear, and the light injection. Peak has given me 1509 bar but the pressure drops and spikes, even if pressure goal ? always up to 1600 bar...
Made the map 1550 bar I as a target of 1550, and rightly, but the machine is as with the first test... pressure dancer... max 1484 bar...
The error is always the same P1196 temporary error, fuel pressure
That really has problems with the filter?
Let's say that even with the map at 1480 bar as I had before and without the change bit for me was that sometimes it gave the error but did it when I pulled over the 4500 rpm... that is creating really a depression because it requires more? oil as it comes?
Has anyone had any of these problems?
Backgroop
17-12-2013, 13:23
Then changed the bit 06748E (I have a point, but the file has the same addresses of the one posted here.. at least for the rail), and now finally from the time of diagnosis in pressure lens, I have the value which I set in the map of the rail.
Made a map from 1600 bar... but the machine should not be linear, and the light injection. Peak has given me 1509 bar but the pressure drops and spikes, even if pressure goal ? always up to 1600 bar...
Made the map 1550 bar I as a target of 1550, and rightly, but the machine is as with the first test... pressure dancer... max 1484 bar...
The error is always the same P1196 temporary error, fuel pressure
That really has problems with the filter?
Let's say that even with the map at 1480 bar as I had before and without the change bit for me was that sometimes it gave the error but did it when I pulled over the 4500 rpm... that is creating really a depression because it requires more? oil as it comes?
Has anyone had any of these problems?
Hello Faith, I also have done several tests before finding the solution, you have to modify with care all the limiters rail, the ones mentioned in this thread, if you follow it you'll understand, there would be others that pubblicher? between days..
Hello Faith, I also have done several tests before finding the solution, you have to modify with care all the limiters rail, the ones mentioned in this thread, if you follow it you'll understand, there would be others that pubblicher? between days..
So do you think that I made some error?
I changed:
06748E bit lim rail
0674BE lim rail f(boost)
0675BE rail pressure
067A06 lim rail f(temp diesel)
Then I've done something wrong in these, or am I missing another?
Here is a chart where you will see considerable pressure drops, and the machine has failure, why? the size of each peak.
Without changing the bit 06748E instead, I don't have these problems.
Then that bit you go beyond 1480 bar... but then to work well need it for something else which, for now, I don't understand
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mariodarkblue
18-12-2013, 19:28
So do you think that I made some error?
I changed:
06748E bit lim rail
0674BE lim rail f(boost)
0675BE rail pressure
067A06 lim rail f(temp diesel)
Then I've done something wrong in these, or am I missing another?
Here is a chart where you will see considerable pressure drops, and the machine has failure, why? the size of each peak.
Without changing the bit 06748E instead, I don't have these problems.
Then that bit you go beyond 1480 bar... but then to work well need it for something else which, for now, I don't understand
6503
Go quiet that the mod that you have made are right...I also tried..and its behavior...
Ah ok then, fortunately, the assumption that it was my pump having problems ? wrong.
I know that it takes a few more tips from Backgroop...
And I hope that he or someone else is also able to deal with the problem of the limiter of the turbo ;)
The opening of the pressure regulator, you may want to monitor?
Tuningmotor88
18-12-2013, 23:51
The opening of the pressure regulator, you may want to monitor?
Having a good auto diagnosis, you can monitor the log-pressure
Well I think you can also monitor with ***********.. Tomorrow I try
Tuningmotor88
19-12-2013, 03:28
Well I think you can also monitor with ***********.. Tomorrow I try
Autocom /Delphi that I know of is fiat ecuscan should try
The fact today is the log of the opening of the pressure regulator of the rail.
At this point, that the problem is not a limiter of the regulator?
I found a project winols a MJD8 where there are many maps from the damos... not all... and I'm trying to compare, since many maps are similar... kind of like the bit of the limiter of the rail starting from the damos and by searching on the file of the MJD6 it seems to me to be almost the same...
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to overcome the problem of pressure "swinging" I think you need to intervene on the map pre-control drv....
I think that is sort of like a pid control for the rail pressure...
for? don't ask me where it is located above the map why? not n? I have no idea....
I read only...
Backgroop
19-12-2013, 21:35
The fact today is the log of the opening of the pressure regulator of the rail.
At this point, that the problem is not a limiter of the regulator?
I found a project winols a MJD8 where there are many maps from the damos... not all... and I'm trying to compare, since many maps are similar... kind of like the bit of the limiter of the rail starting from the damos and by searching on the file of the MJD6 it seems to me to be almost the same...
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In mjet8 75-90-95cv file 2mb, the bit limitation of the rail is not ? the same as the mjet6 70cv file 448kb, in mjet8 bit of limitation is to be found almost at the beginning of the file, wrapped in the bit 2 have the same value 0384 esa, 1700bar normal..in the 70 the address change.
Some advice in order to stabilize the pressure of the rail?
Backgroop
19-12-2013, 22:33
maps limiter rail 70cv
067494 - 06757E Rail Press. Gov. - Rail pressure max gradient: f(rpmTB, Pboost)
conversion value 50,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) mappa8x12
axis (X) RMP(Y) axis Pressure turbocharger relative mBar
0675be (injection parzializata) Rail Press. Gov. - Req. rail press. at st.-st.: f(rpmTB,Qref)
conversion value 8,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) mappa16x16
0677be - 06785e Rail Press. Gov. - Req. rail pressure at cranking: f(rpmTB,pTcool)
conversion value 8,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) map 8x8
axis (x) RMP (y) axis temperature (c?
06785e - 067946 Rail Press. Gov. - PrailRef warm-up weight map: f(rpmTB, Qref)
conversion value 1,600000 x (eprom), map 12x8
axis (x) RMP (y) axis mm3/str
067946 - 0679e4 Rail Press. Gov. - PrailRef warm-up factor of the map: f(pTcool, Patm)
conversion value 5,00000 x (eprom), map 8x8
axis(x) temperature c? axis (y) Patm mbar
0679e4 - 067a9a Rail Press. Gov. - Tfuel dep. rail press. lim.map:f(rpmTB,Tfuel)
conversion value 8,00000 x (eprom) -100(offset) map 8x8
axis(x) RMP (y) axis temperature (c?
the maps above taken from the file lancia Y annex at the beginning of the forum, in addition, look for the bit 01d4 0307
change the bit 0307 in the same way as the bit restriction rail pressure
maps limiter rail 70cv
067494 - 06757E Rail Press. Gov. - Rail pressure max gradient: f(rpmTB, Pboost)
conversion value 50,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) mappa8x12
axis (X) RMP(Y) axis Pressure turbocharger relative mBar
0675be (injection parzializata) Rail Press. Gov. - Req. rail press. at st.-st.: f(rpmTB,Qref)
conversion value 8,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) mappa16x16
0677be - 06785e Rail Press. Gov. - Req. rail pressure at cranking: f(rpmTB,pTcool)
conversion value 8,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) map 8x8
axis (x) RMP (y) axis temperature (c?
06785e - 067946 Rail Press. Gov. - PrailRef warm-up weight map: f(rpmTB, Qref)
conversion value 1,600000 x (eprom), map 12x8
axis (x) RMP (y) axis mm3/str
067946 - 0679e4 Rail Press. Gov. - PrailRef warm-up factor of the map: f(pTcool, Patm)
conversion value 5,00000 x (eprom), map 8x8
axis(x) temperature c? axis (y) Patm mbar
0679e4 - 067a9a Rail Press. Gov. - Tfuel dep. rail press. lim.map:f(rpmTB,Tfuel)
conversion value 8,00000 x (eprom) -100(offset) map 8x8
axis(x) RMP (y) axis temperature (c?
Sure of the values of conversion? Do not come to me...
Backgroop
19-12-2013, 23:30
I'm sure to 100x100, do not think to find the values the expected and easily compressible,
we are talking about the rail as a function of, for example rail f(rmpTB, Pboost), in practice it is a function of that spread of the values in a table with x= rpm y=mbar, where x=rpm and y=pressure turbocharger from the report, it is evident that the unit of measure of the values in the table ? bar/s
Type in the map of the rail pressure 0675BE indicate a conversion factor of 8 ... but in the map we have 1500 that should be already? the value of the rail at which we need to remove the offset of 100, and then 1400... and as a conversion factor for the axis of the mg/stk I is a multiplication factor of 0.002941
also 0674BE tell me of such a conversion value of 50 - offset of 100.... but taking the peaks that have a value of 199 we will have 199x50 - 100 that I get from 9850... that I do not understand..
and cos? the other
I looked at these entries in the damos of the MJD8 and actually have those things that you say but in the MJD6 I are values out also why? perhaps in the first maps are 8-bit while in this 16-bit
Backgroop
20-12-2013, 00:28
Map 0675be lasse indicate mg/stk cio? Y in reality? ? mm3/stk value conversion 0,002930,
fix the conversion value that in transcribing I typed 8. instead of 1
Map 0674be Rail pressure max gradient has the unit? bar\s (the cio? in other words, speed? rail pressure)
I looked at these entries in the damos of the MJD8 and actually have those things that you say but in the MJD6 I are values out also why? perhaps in the first maps are 8-bit while in this 16-bit
Certainly if you don't see properly, you can't get out of it,
067494 8bit
0675be 16bit display normal 8bit ratio conversion x8
0677be 8bit
etc..
There guarder? better tomorrow, what time are time...
But in substance, that limit and what is the meaning of these maps?
Request rail pressure at cranking
PrailRef warm-up weight map
PrailRef warm-up factor map?
Are 3 maps that in fact I was not touched... why? I didn't understand and I still do not understand their operation.
By placing these you have solved the problem of the pressure jump?
Backgroop
20-12-2013, 00:49
There guarder? better tomorrow, what time are time...
But in substance, that limit and what is the meaning of these maps?
Request rail pressure at cranking
PrailRef warm-up weight map
PrailRef warm-up factor map?
Are 3 maps that in fact I was not touched... why? I didn't understand and I still do not understand their operation.
By placing these you have solved the problem of the pressure jump?
Increasing these maps, and the bit corresponding to the cut diagnostic described before, which is to be modified in the same way that you change the bit limitation, I solved the tripping of the pressure..
The bit 6748E led to 850, and then (850x2 - 100 =1600 bar)
C'? this is the only bit of the right cut?
Now I have to try to understand these other 3 maps (pover? to take a cue from those of the MJD8...)
I think I'll have to? increment the writes counter again on my point.. I think I'm already? in addition to 100 scriptures ;)
Found this solution and then let the lim of the turbo :cool:
Then... from the damos of the MJD8 I extrapolated a map that may limit the quantity? maximum fuel... in fact in the log, I have never gone over to the 42 mm3), although only peak...
Can be 065574 (map 4x1) eprom*0,002930
However, one thing at a time ;)
Backgroop
20-12-2013, 09:57
The bit 6748E led to 850, and then (850x2 - 100 =1600 bar)
C'? this is the only bit of the right cut?
Now I have to try to understand these other 3 maps (pover? to take a cue from those of the MJD8...)
I think I'll have to? increment the writes counter again on my point.. I think I'm already? in addition to 100 scriptures ;)
Found this solution and then let the lim of the turbo :cool:
Then... from the damos of the MJD8 I extrapolated a map that may limit the quantity? maximum fuel... in fact in the log, I have never gone over to the 42 mm3), although only peak...
Can be 065574 (map 4x1) eprom*0,002930
However, one thing at a time ;)
I also noted I that the map you indicated 065574 also present in the 75hp, regarding the turbo pressure and I'm working on not ? just a bit limiting, for the pressure gas, please review the previous discussions and you'll understand what to change
I tried to pick up 50 points all over the map 0677DE and a 15% across the map 067966 but no differences...
Now it remains for me 067886 but without coming up with some ideas... I don't get it right.. 16-bit +/- I have negative values... or without the +/- values are very high and even with the factor of 1.6 x eprom as you indicated, I will not get out...
Backgroop
20-12-2013, 16:30
I tried to pick up 50 points all over the map 0677DE and a 15% across the map 067966 but no differences...
Now it remains for me 067886 but without coming up with some ideas... I don't get it right.. 16-bit +/- I have negative values... or without the +/- values are very high and even with the factor of 1.6 x eprom as you indicated, I will not get out...
please carefully read well
the maps above taken from the file lancia Y annex at the beginning of the forum, in addition, look for the bit 01d4 0307
change the bit 0307 in the same way as the bit restriction rail pressure
mariodarkblue
20-12-2013, 18:15
Guys, if you have patience, in the late evening place screen of those 4 maps, cos? we think better;)
Guys, if you have patience, in the late evening place screen of those 4 maps, cos? we think better;)
06748e bit that is located at 775 (multiply x2 )limits to 1,400 bar (offset -100)
067494 - 06757E Rail Press. Gov. - Rail pressure max gradient: f(rpmTB, Pboost)
conversion value 50,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) mappa8x12
axis (X) RMP(Y) axis Pressure turbocharger relative mBar
http://s10.imagestime * * * * * / out.php / i907661_railpressuregovernor.p http://www.imagestime * * * * * / sho shophp/907661_railpressuregovernor.ppg.HTML)
as you can see are 13-bit part 50 and arrives at 1600, likely, instead, that it starts from 067496 and should be limiter prail in function of the pressure of the turbo
0675be (injection parzializata) Rail Press. Gov. - Req. rail press. at st.-st.: f(rpmTB,Qref)
conversion value 8,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) mappa16x16
This here we all know, ? the map rail pressure indicated by the ecm.
0677be - 06785e Rail Press. Gov. - Req. rail pressure at cranking: f(rpmTB,pTcool)
conversion value 8,000000 x (eprom) - 100(offset) map 8x8
axis (x) RMP (y) axis temperature (c?
http://s10.imagestime * * * * * / out.php / i907664_Req.railpressureincranking.p http://www.imagestime * * * * * / sho shophp/907664_Req.railpressureincranking.ppg.HTML)
attention to the addresses posted by backgroop...it should be I THINK a lim rail ftemp but I don't understand the axles and I am not with the conversion factor
06785e - 067946 Rail Press. Gov. - PrailRef warm-up weight map: f(rpmTB, Qref)
conversion value 1,600000 x (eprom), map 12x8
axis (x) RMP (y) axis mm3/str
http://s10.imagestime* * * * * /out.php/i907665_RailPress.Gov.PrailRefwarmupweightmap.jpg (http://www.imagestime * * * * * /sho php.php/907665_RailPress.Gov.prailrefw
it is here, it seems like a limitation in the function of Iq, but I'm not sure...
067946 - 0679e4 Rail Press. Gov. - PrailRef warm-up factor of the map: f(pTcool, Patm)
conversion value 5,00000 x (eprom), map 8x8
axis(x) temperature c? axis (y) Patm mbar
mariodarkblue
20-12-2013, 19:29
http://s10.imagestime* * * * * /out.php/i907667_RailPress.Gov.PrailRefwarmupfactormap.jpg (http://www.imagestime * * * * * /sho php.php/907667_RailPress.Gov.prailrefw
I believe that being here is a real map of limitation, precisely, as a function of temperature and pressure atms.
0679e4 - 067a9a Rail Press. Gov. - Tfuel dep. rail press. lim.map:f(rpmTB,Tfuel)
conversion value 8,00000 x (eprom) -100(offset) map 8x8
axis(x) RMP (y) axis temperature (c?
http://s10.imagestime* * * * * /out.php/i907667_RailPress.Gov.PrailRefwarmupfactormap.jpg (http://www.imagestime * * * * * /sho php.php/907667_RailPress.Gov.prailrefw
Being here I know of limitation...but I don't know the conversion factors,...okay on the z, I read the prail (offset -100) but the axes...
I believe that in the a-axis(Y) there is the temp diesel in degrees celsius....
in the other, I think something related to engine revolutions per minute+turbo pressure...
please carefully read well
You are right, I would assume that you bit 0307 there was only one change, and I had escaped what 0605BA...
Tomorrow I try again and who knows what I can understand those last 3 maps of the rail
Ela.Toretto
21-12-2013, 11:20
Guys I ask you confirmation, I moddato map rail (the last 6 curves, that is, from 1875 rpm 4688) with a max of 213 points (213*8-100= 1600 bar) according to you (given that I have done as you have said about the famous bit ) I do well or I exaggerate? ;)
With the pressure of the rail there cable to your feet.. always the same pressure changes.
Studying the damos of the MJD8 for? I tried unit : mbar/Volt -- Gain for calculating pressure turbocharger in mbar
and ? the bit to the 06973C that the original has a value of 169, which must be multiplied by x 3.197
If someone has the pressure gauge can? compare the actual values with the ones in the diagnosis before and then after you have decreased the value of this bit (I have set it to 156.. -7.7%)
I've done some test where before, each time taking the recovery by traveling to the wire... now the pressure is maximum that I have read ? 2.35 bar... then about 0.15 below the limit of recovery...
By cos? in practice ? how to put a form that distorts the pressure of the turbo, and then moving up the limit of the cut.
In the next few days make? more tests...
Let me know!
Backgroop if you can give me some other straight on the rail...
Thanks
Regarding the modification of the gain factor of the sensor even with the machine stopped, we see that the value of the turbocharger that is being read ? lower than the atmospheric pressure.
6541
This trick let's say that you can? using this car since from what I know there are maps in relation to boost pressure...
What c'? ? 0674BE that maybe ? this limits the rail 1494... given by a multiplication factor of 7.5... while Backgroop you tell me that has a multiplication factor of 50 and an offset of -100... (? cos? also it MJD8)
But by using these values, the number that comes out what does it represent? This ? a point that I do not ? clear..
This with the factor that I had... the golds I have a value of 1492, and I modified until 1605
6542
Mistake here?
The other three maps that mean specifically?
0677DE Rail pressure on cranking
067886 warm-up weight map
067966 warm-up factor map
0677de should be the press in the rail start-up phase of the engine
067886 and 067996 are maps for the selection of the injection strategy to use in the step of heating the engine....
for? I'm not sure....
Backgroop spoke of these maps, or at least it seemed to me to have understood that he had resolved the instability problems? pressure...
About 0674BE ? correct what I did?
Backgroop
31-12-2013, 14:19
Backgroop spoke of these maps, or at least it seemed to me to have understood that he had resolved the instability problems? pressure...
About 0674BE ? correct what I did?
The changes made to the map are correct, but the ratio conversion and 50, fix only the offset -100 should not be applied..
The changes made to the map are correct, but the ratio conversion and 50, fix only the offset -100 should not be applied..
By multiplying by 50 and I get a map with these values that I don't understand that cos'? this number... especially the first two columns and the last two lines...
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Did several tests with values ori, pi? high and pi? low and nothing changes... so I don't know if is the map is active or not..
From the tests I saw that diagnosis I have also noticed that the pressure lens 1600 then down at times to 1000 then the saliva back to 1600 then 1000... even with the pedal mashed to the 100% in the fifth gear.
Now give up... and this problem, however, of cutting with the light on I was even with no change in the bits on the 0605BA and 06748E.. but only when I pushed it over 4200/4300 laps...
Without changing the two-bit the pressure target was 1450 then actually these the limit... but I don't know what else is not held constant... I think that if there was another limiter, I would also have a pressure goal pi? low or am I wrong?
However, if we don't find the solution, according to me, the other two parameters to investigate are the AFR and advance... what do you think?
riccardo92
10-01-2014, 16:05
Hello all:) first of all congratulations for the thread! It's really interesting and even if you are a beginner I try to have my say :)
I also have a point 1.3 70cv. Rail pressure I prefer not to exceed 1460 bar in order not to compromise the reliability? having the injectors are original, so I'm trying to figure out how to handle the advances in function of the elongation of the injection times, and I tried to make 2 accounts.
For example, to 2500 rpm, and with an IQ of 45 mg I have a p. rail of 1300 bar, and the map injection I d? a time of 1062 us, which converted into degrees, 15.93?; in those conditions, I have an advance of 18.5?. Then the injected ends -2.57? from the pms. At 1500rpm instead ends up -0.763? and a 3750 to -1.775?.
Now we need to figure out where you can? you get to inject without having the smoke (smoke is not caused by a lack of air but from injections that are too long).
Stretching, for example, injections of up to 0? from the pms, the percentage you get these increments of time:
-1500 rpm - +7%
-2500 rpm - +16%
-3750 rpm - +8%
all with ori rail pressure and ori advances. at 1500 and 2500 I never gave increments like this? high (so should not serve anticipate), while at 3750 you. (for example with 2? in advance I could give a +17% against +8% before:) ).
What do you think? Pu? function as argument or they are completely out of the way?
scican25
10-01-2014, 19:03
hi all, are not clear to me some things if the injection timing should be read to the contrary, then right to left ? this is also true for the 75 hp ?
also could you help me understand how do I figure out how many degrees of advance are assigned according to the increments and understand the deal? fuel injected ?
riccardo92
13-01-2014, 11:22
hi all, are not clear to me some things if the injection timing should be read to the contrary, then right to left ? this is also true for the 75 hp ?
also could you help me understand how do I figure out how many degrees of advance are assigned according to the increments and understand the deal? fuel injected ?
Hello scican25, the injection times, according to me, should be read from left to right why? equal amount? diesel fuel is injected, with the increase of the rail pressure of the times decrease. Both 70cv that for the 75 and the 90. For the advance I'm thinking I also, just avr? some results in the scriver?. The data that I put in the previous post are wrong, now I'm correcting.
Backgroop some other straight to stabilize the rail pressure up to 1600 bar?
I think I have found the bit that limits the boost to 1.5 bar... I did a test by opening up a little bit on the faucet and diagnoses are arrived at 1.57 bar of boost without the car go into recovery.
First just spent 1.5 bar immediately recovery
pdtechnology
19-01-2014, 16:41
in response to back to the address 065574 ? a limiter
in response to back to the address 065574 ? a limiter
it restricts the amount? diesel fuel is a function of rpm...
However I know that for 99% of the preparations is not influential.
From what I see the problem in the climb is not ? in the diesel... but in the deal? of air you can inject... the turbine is the original ? too small
06548E and 0654DC
what are the boys? I see that they have equal values, always a couple...
cinqueturbo
19-01-2014, 20:03
Guys,
I would like to share with you some very interesting info that or noticed in the first few years that I approached the chip tuning..
just open this file with your SW Titanium 1.61..
let me know s? and to your liking..;)
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=837&d=1345285012
pdtechnology
19-01-2014, 20:25
are limiters danny
but if you use titanium good this if I remember correctly ? updated in nomenclatures;)
06548E and 0654DC
what are the boys? I see that they have equal values, always a couple...
The first (06548E)? a limiter then also 0654A4
O654DC ? torque limiter in function of the temperature of the diesel
Guys,
I would like to share with you some very interesting info that or noticed in the first few years that I approached the chip tuning..
just open this file with your SW Titanium 1.61..
let me know s? and to your liking..;)
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=837&d=1345285012
Ok, downloaded... ? the file ori a great point 75. Of which interesting info is that?
cinqueturbo
19-01-2014, 21:24
Ok, downloaded... ? the file ori a great point 75. Of which interesting info is that?
Well you know I posted a mail to t? that you are a professional..
even s? I was convinced that li you knew already? all of the limiters described in this file..
Boo.. maybe avr? wrong to post it?
6788
pdtechnology
19-01-2014, 21:55
this driver compared to others ? much more full other drivers for mjt are bare
pdtechnology
19-01-2014, 22:00
cmq five in my opinion you were not wrong to post it indeed ? to appreciate....:)
Well you know I posted a mail to t? that you are a professional..
even s? I was convinced that li you knew already? all of the limiters described in this file..
Boo.. maybe avr? wrong to post it?
6788
I state that I am not a professional and don't even think of becoming one.
I have to say that I have open with ecm titanium (here I have win 8 and the titanium is not to be...), and having only seen a file ori I thought that you had posted the file on which you could do the considerations in the next post, and I was indeed interested.
Perhaps you misunderstood my answer, or perhaps I have misunderstood me.
You have the wrong post, or indeed any new information ? useful species on this unit.
Ela.Toretto
19-01-2014, 23:08
The keyboard ? the best means for misunderstandings ahahahaha I would be very interested to see the file (I have a gp 75;)) but I believe that finch? I don't reach 80 sar messages? last ;)
Perfect Guys!
I was not sure of their operation...
About the file, after I try with the titanium, let's see!
cinqueturbo
20-01-2014, 09:03
My teacher of math a day said to me:
That is not important to know the solution,but knowing how to search for...
this file Ori with the Titanium shows the limiters that on other files are out of the driver.. but it is not complete nor reliable..
yet the logic of reading from LEFT to RIGHT some of the limiters..
but there are those ir? important..
I remember another driver that was corrected in the read-LEFT-RIGHT, as I remember which file ori belonged veil.
Ok, downloaded... ? the file ori a great point 75. Of which interesting info is that?[/QUOTE]
I state that I am not a professional and don't even think of becoming one.
I have to say that I have open with ecm titanium (here I have win 8 and the titanium is not to be...), and having only seen a file ori I thought that you had posted the file on which you could do the considerations in the next post, and I was indeed interested.
Perhaps you misunderstood my answer, or perhaps I have misunderstood me.
You have the wrong post, or indeed any new information ? useful species on this unit.
I have to be honest a bit, but did not bother us..
to respond with arrogance without even understand who and what I had to do..
however, all fixed.
just a question about win8 that SW development uses?
I apologize again, I open with ecm2001, and was the usual 4/5 maps and I thought that ecm titanium had some drivers on the pi? complete the other.
In the laptop that I use to make maps, I also have ecm titanium unfortunately, in the driver often has names or scales are wrong.
By a little bit so I'm using winols, at the beginning it seems a little bit difficult, but when we take the hand becomes a very powerful tool, now with patience I can do the map pack custom and it is something very important you can import damos or other projects winols done from a damos, and then with the 7000 or more? maps are in the ecu modern.
According to many ? the best software around. The latest version of winols "cured" that is around ? the 2.24
Five, I just open the file with the titanium! I did not know of essitenza of this driver, thanks so much for sharing! :)
Ela.Toretto
20-01-2014, 14:09
may I know what ori it is? cos? do I get it and see that I understand something too ? ;)
cinqueturbo
20-01-2014, 14:14
may I know what ori it is? Cos? do I get it and see that I understand something too ? ;)
mjd6f3hw03p
51796241
3144p754
0054
6f3.p7
cinqueturbo
20-01-2014, 14:39
Five, I just open the file with the titanium! I did not know of essitenza of this driver, thanks so much for sharing! :)
I saw those others that I don't remember HW & SW... then that makes you jump :p...
I now I have made a custom driver in the head on these..
a question I do to you but..
but when mapped to a 1,3 regardless of hp will make a report of the clogging of the inlet manifold or mapped with limit criteria smoke?
No why? I do not or found one that did not smoke on a mappetta two minutes without having to disassemble and clean everything up inside the buccio of the....
Look, in these days I disassembled the hills of suction to the Swift, I thought they were pi? dirty, but, of course, were not clean.
Anyway, that of a friend, start smoking with a nothing diesel in pi?....Is it a mess to be able to keep the smoke? low. However, I use the mirror criterion.... : D
My up to tinj +25, with a turbo the stock is no smoke from the chimney.
That my friend, +15, smokes already? much more? my....
riccardo92
20-01-2014, 14:57
I also cleaned the manifolds of my own, and not ? changed nothing in terms of smoke, but they were not very dirty. Maybe ? pi status? a good idea to cut the marmittino of the EGR that comes in the collectors, the one that is the cap.
My smokes a lot with +16 tinj with turbo 1.3 bar and filter sports. I thought it was a problem in advance, but I know that is missing from the air.
If I may ask what? in quest drivers kindly shared by cinqueturbo? Why? I am trying to group all the info in my possession in a file .ols to be able to publish it here, but if there is? gi? all of the drivers I let go...:)
may I know what ori it is? cos? do I get it and see that I understand something too ? ;)
Yes, you don't have the number of messages to download attachments, maybe try to search for the gold of the fiat grande punto 1.3 mjet 75hp MJD6F3HW03P_3144P754 that ? in fact the file in the attachment you were talking about.
Ela.Toretto
20-01-2014, 20:02
It is precisely said to myself ;) now I see in my gold and I see if I have it ;)
Ori found... the last 4 of 5 maps I don't know what they are for?....
cinqueturbo
20-01-2014, 21:39
I also cleaned the manifolds of my own, and not ? changed nothing in terms of smoke, but they were not very dirty. Maybe ? pi status? a good idea to cut the marmittino of the EGR that comes in the collectors, the one that is the cap.
My smokes a lot with +16 tinj with turbo 1.3 bar and filter sports. I thought it was a problem in advance, but I know that is missing from the air.
If I may ask what? in quest drivers kindly shared by cinqueturbo? Why? I am trying to group all the info in my possession in a file .ols to be able to publish it here, but if there is? gi? all of the drivers I let go...:)
Sorry, but to clean up inside the valves?..
Then it feels weird for me 1.3 Bar turbo, gi? should give more?.. not that your car and accident-free?
I ask why? me happened to pi? times on cars with the nut of the turbo rotated to a frontal impact..
riccardo92
20-01-2014, 23:30
No I did not clean the valves (sooner or later prover? to spray some Spra pulitore cleaner :) ), I just disassembled the collector and cleaned it manually. I bought the car used but I don't think it had any accidents. I simply increased the pressure by 0.3 bar via w Maybe you mean another car, I have a punto 1.3 70cv with fixed kp35 turbine that runs at about 1 bar from ori.
I confirm 1 bar of the series. I have disassembled the hills, and from where I came, I cleaned on a microfiber cloth in the ducts of the engine block....
No I did not clean the valves (sooner or later prover? to spray some Spra pulitore cleaner :) ), I just disassembled the collector and cleaned it manually. I bought the car used but I don't think it had any accidents. I simply increased the pressure by 0.3 bar via w Maybe you mean another car, I have a punto 1.3 70cv with fixed kp35 turbine that runs at about 1 bar from ori.
In my I pi? the difference between peak and steady.. to have 1.3 constant I have to have 1.55 peak
riccardo92
21-01-2014, 17:46
In my I pi? the difference between peak and steady.. to have 1.3 constant I have to have 1.55 peak
Before I had 1.4 of peak and 1.2 of constant, then during the last oil change I could not keep myself and gave the giro Maybe ? for what what ? increased the constant. Only it has a strange behavior: when I lunge the pedal picca to 1.4, it drops to 1.2 then goes back to 1.3 while if I partialize it does not.
Boys but now we are going to a p? off topic... :/
riccardo92
21-01-2014, 22:16
I apologize...
Returning in topic, the torque limiter as a function of the coolant temperature reads to the contrary? Why? reading it from right to left ? very similar to the affinity of the driver's wish.
Backgroop
21-01-2014, 22:43
Backgroop some other straight to stabilize the rail pressure up to 1600 bar?
I think I have found the bit that limits the boost to 1.5 bar... I did a test by opening up a little bit on the faucet and diagnoses are arrived at 1.57 bar of boost without the car go into recovery.
First just spent 1.5 bar immediately recovery
the bit that limit the pressure turbo 2, are in the clear with a decimal value of 1500bar
precisely is called:
The maximum overpressure is allowed in the manifold (with respect to Patm) viewable) 16-bit with a value of Esa 05dc
The maximum overpressure is allowed in the manifold (with respect to Patm cond. svalidazione) with a value of Esa 05dc
search the esa strings 0014 004b 05dc change bit 05dc
search the esa strings 1388 000f 05dc change bit 05dc
Ela.Toretto
21-01-2014, 22:52
the bit that limit the pressure turbo 2, are in the clear with a decimal value of 1500bar
precisely is called:
The maximum overpressure is allowed in the manifold (with respect to Patm) viewable) 16-bit with a value of Esa 05dc
The maximum overpressure is allowed in the manifold (with respect to Patm cond. svalidazione) with a value of Esa 05dc
search the esa strings 0014 004b 05dc change bit 05dc
search the esa strings 1388 000f 05dc change bit 05dc
Sorry for the trivial question, but how we look for the strings? c'? some method?
riccardo92
21-01-2014, 23:58
With the ECM to open the file in hex and press F7. You have to add the spaces so well?: 00 14 00 4b 05 dc
the bit that limit the pressure turbo 2, are in the clear with a decimal value of 1500bar
precisely is called:
The maximum overpressure is allowed in the manifold (with respect to Patm) viewable) 16-bit with a value of Esa 05dc
The maximum overpressure is allowed in the manifold (with respect to Patm cond. svalidazione) with a value of Esa 05dc
search the esa strings 0014 004b 05dc change bit 05dc
search the esa strings 1388 000f 05dc change bit 05dc
I had only changed the bit to 06112A and I had no ir? the cut at 1.5 bar... c'? to say that I have not pushed over 1.55 bar having the kp35
Then in my case the first does not correspond to the strings in the esa you posted.
It's still a bit to 1500 and is located at the address 06112A (In my point 1065P351 but also in the files of the lancia Y 70 hp posted here at the beginning)
Backgroop
22-01-2014, 08:08
Then in my case the first does not correspond to the strings in the esa you posted.
It's still a bit to 1500 and is located at the address 06112A (In my point 1065P351 but also in the files of the lancia Y 70 hp posted here at the beginning)
The bit that limit the turbo pressure are two of them, in the file posted here on the forum ( lancia y) correspond, tried the other two files, point 75 and the point 70, the pressure of 1500mb exceeded.. you are close to a bit which limit the engine rpm..
Here are the limiters turbo on your file:
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File name: Marelli Multijet MJD6JFHW1BM 1065P351 55195817 point 1.3.
Ela.Toretto
22-01-2014, 08:26
But in the gp 75hp have the same values of these posted here? anyway, a thousand thanks riccardo92 ;)
The bit that limit the turbo pressure are two of them, in the file posted here on the forum ( lancia y) correspond, tried the other two files, point 75 and the point 70, the pressure of 1500mb exceeded.. you are close to a bit which limit the engine rpm..
Here are the limiters turbo on your file:
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File name: Marelli Multijet MJD6JFHW1BM 1065P351 55195817 point 1.3.
But the fact that by changing the bit to 06112A gi? I cut more?... you know what match I'm bit that I edited?
Backgroop
22-01-2014, 21:39
But the fact that by changing the bit to 06112A gi? I cut more?... you know what match I'm bit that I edited?
I really do not know what is, but this is not the limiter pressure hose..
Let's examine the map main injection as it is called in the ECM, it is a map, 16 x 24 ( 16 columns and 24-line) visible to 16bit, many argue that it is a map inverted, others not.. but the concept of the interpretation of the map and all wrong, in fact, not the year of the rpm x load, etc.. but bens? on the X-axis we have the Rail pressure while on the Y-axis the amount? injected IQ measured in mm3/str (mm3/stroke)
the name of the map ?: SR - Main inj. ctrl - Injector map for small Qmain: f(Prail,Qmain)
value X = (2 x Eprom) -100 offset - pressure
value Y = (0,002930 x eprom) - IQ
I really do not know what is, but this is not the limiter pressure hose..
For? I cut more?.. from the diagnosis, I read over 1.5 bar without going into recovery as before.
With respect to the rail... I looked in the MJD8 there are two entries...
"On threshold to recognize overpressure event " value 1750 (eprom*2-100)
"Off threshold to recognize overpressure event" value 1680 (eprom*2-100)
These should be in the MJD6 with values maybe more? low...
Do you think this may be caused by these instabilities? if you climb over 1480bar or and the light of recovery, even with the mod that you suggested (the two bits that only 1450bar)
The warm-up map should be used only in the phase of heating of the engine... at least going behind the name of the map
the damos, however, should say if ? positive, negative, or no...
from the shape of the map according to me...the last curve on the right,the most high of all,it corresponds to the injection time for the bottom press rail and the lower amount? injected....in fact, the time of injection ? very long..***** and in a normal map Tinj where in fact the curve is trovva at the beginning of all the others looking at the map always in 2d..
Backgroop
22-01-2014, 22:46
Another map to consider this when changing the Rail pressure and the map:
SR - Main inj. ctrl - Minimum main quantity: f(Prail) map 16 x 1 where there are 16 columns and 1 row
this is a map where it is defined as a constant minimum injection equal to the value of the map multiplied by the value of the conversion..
in our file review of the map is the first map main injection has as a reference in the X-axis
value X pressure =( 2 x eprom ) -100 offset
y value IQ = constant
y and given by the ratio between the eprom x 0,002930
note that the constant injection on the map comes up to the limit rail pressure after, and zero
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so it makes it appropriate after the edit limit rail pressure, lengthen the time constant after the pressure limit of the source as you can? note from the annex ? zero
the damos, however, should say if ? positive, negative, or no...
from the shape of the map according to me...the last curve on the right,the most high of all,it corresponds to the injection time for the bottom press rail and the lower amount? injected....in fact, the time of injection ? very long..***** and in a normal map Tinj where in fact the curve is trovva at the beginning of all the others looking at the map always in 2d..
From what I think I any curve ? a value of IQ, and the last curve on the right ? the curve with the highest IQ then any curve going from left to right each value ? of a particular the rail pressure that gradually increases...
Another map to consider this when changing the Rail pressure and the map:
SR - Main inj. ctrl - Minimum main quantity: f(Prail) map 16 x 1 where there are 16 columns and 1 row
this is a map where it is defined as a constant minimum injection equal to the value of the map multiplied by the value of the conversion..
in our file review of the map is the first map main injection has as a reference in the X-axis
value X pressure =( 2 x eprom ) -100 offset
y value IQ = constant
y and given by the ratio between the eprom x 0,002930
note that the constant injection on the map comes up to the limit rail pressure after, and zero
6828
so it makes it appropriate after the edit limit rail pressure, lengthen the time constant after the pressure limit of the source as you can? note from the annex ? zero
Then pu? depend on not changing this map the not stability? of the rail over 1500 bar? and also by the fact that in the map Main inj we have times of up to 1500 bar, then in the column of the 1700 I have times equal to 0....
So if I make a map from 1600 bar... tends to inject to 0 ms...
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Backgroop
22-01-2014, 23:19
Then pu? depend on not changing this map the not stability? of the rail over 1500 bar? and also by the fact that in the map Main inj we have times of up to 1500 bar, then in the column of the 1700 I have times equal to 0....
So if I make a map from 1600 bar... tends to inject to 0 ms...
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Perfect, have to be modified times on the maps over the limit Rail pressure.. I give it for granted mentioned earlier on the back
I tried to do all the mod but I still have the actual pressure with high and low...
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I also tried to do the mod to the two bits of the limiter turbo that you said but it goes into recovery and error boost pressure.
The same file with these two bits of gold, but with the bit that you said I the machine should not be in recovery.
Backgroop
23-01-2014, 13:02
Hello Faith I ? strange your situation, limiters press turbo are the ones I tested them as a gi? said about point 75 and 70, for the diesel I would be curious to know what you edit.. post the mod files and ori..
Hello Faith I ? strange your situation, limiters press turbo are the ones I tested them as a gi? said about point 75 and 70, for the diesel I would be curious to know what you edit.. post the mod files and ori..
If you do not ? a problem you send it on Skype... I sent you a message with the request.
From what I think I any curve ? a value of IQ, and the last curve on the right ? the curve with the highest IQ then any curve going from left to right each value ? of a particular the rail pressure that gradually increases...
I simply tell you that to inject, for example, 20mm3 of diesel with 800 bar rail, the injector has to stay open for 100 microseconds(random numbers), if the ecu wants to inject always the 20mm3 of diesel but this one is 1600 bar...the time in which to hold the injector open is not allowed? increase it to remain 100 uS...because obviously the more pressure diesel fuel means more fuel with the same time opening the injector....ergo, the injection time for that amount of fuel to be injected down? 50 microseconds...(always numbers)for a moment prendiad example map with the injection times of a jtd with edc15 and you'll see that for low pressures and iq the time of injection ? long for high pressures and high iq the time of injection, and much more a short time all the engines and common rail systems work in the same way....even if they are managed with electronic made in Eritrea....
Munro I can to? tell you, having the shot to the limiter, if I raise more than 30% in the last corner, he smokes like a damn each tap that...
I simply tell you that to inject, for example, 20mm3 of diesel with 800 bar rail, the injector has to stay open for 100 microseconds(random numbers), if the ecu wants to inject always the 20mm3 of diesel but this one is 1600 bar...the time in which to hold the injector open is not allowed? increase it to remain 100 uS...because obviously the more pressure diesel fuel means more fuel with the same time opening the injector....ergo, the injection time for that amount of fuel to be injected down? 50 microseconds...(always numbers)for a moment prendiad example map with the injection times of a jtd with edc15 and you'll see that for low pressures and iq the time of injection ? long for high pressures and high iq the time of injection, and much more a short time all the engines and common rail systems work in the same way....even if they are managed with electronic made in Eritrea....
Here it is a screenshot and edit it with the values.. and in fact ? as you say... for the same IQ with the increase of the pressure decrease? the opening time
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riccardo92
23-01-2014, 18:37
But why? not ? linear? If you double the pressure half the time of opening. It is because of the opening times of the injectors?
Backgroop
23-01-2014, 19:11
If you do not ? a problem you send it on Skype... I sent you a message with the request.
I don ? got nothing.. try again
Here it is a screenshot and edit it with the values.. and in fact ? as you say... for the same IQ with the increase of the pressure decrease? the opening time
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Great job at least cos? ? pi? clear the operation of the map..
Great guys! But from the original, really inietterebbe 65mm3?
From what I see in the diagnosis injects a lot less... I seem to have seen values around 46/48 mm3
Umh, would be to understand the xk? behaves so?, and not inject gi? that quantity? of Diesel fuel.
Umh, would be to understand the xk? behaves so?, and not inject gi? that quantity? of Diesel fuel.
Surely many limiters restrict this value... then c'? also a map that should restrict the mm3 as a function of the engine rpm.
But you have to enter the pi? air with a turbine pi? large and high blood pressure. Then, according to me, it makes sense to look to do to inject more? diesel
The map in question (the map 4x1 065574 in our files from 70cv)should limit the following values:
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leandro89
24-01-2014, 15:58
If you do not ? a problem you send it on Skype... I sent you a message with the request.
what is the meaning of a request like that? it's not even worth to continue the discussion without seeing the file.
To avoid the mistakes of other maps and try to have 1600 bar without any errors I have made a map virtually the original, only closing the egr and lim turbo moved, and then by changing:
-2-bit and limited to 1450 bar----- 605BA and 6748E
-limiter rail in the function p boost --- 674BE
-map rail (up to 1600 bar----- 675BE
-lim rail as a function of the temp of the fuel----- 67A06
-Minimum main quantity f(Prail)---- 689D6
-injection times with times of up to 1700 bar rail---- 68A46
Here's the files that I have not tested yet. Do you say that ? made according to the directions of backgroop?
Umh, But you should only do the brack point to be able to take advantage of the 1600bar pressure? Or better, if everything remains the same, however, it should ricalcolarsi all the ecu, I don't think that should stop interacting from 1400 to 1600 bar...
Ela.Toretto
25-01-2014, 08:16
also I find an irregular course from the 3000 and 3300 rpm, the car goes jerky... for me? the break of the injection I have not changed, you say, is that the problem?
Personally I don't think the servant to do the injection in that way, since? the gp90 has the same t in the 75, but at pressures pi? high..
Backgroop
25-01-2014, 10:00
Personally I don't think the servant to do the injection in that way, since? the gp90 has the same t in the 75, but at pressures pi? high..
Have you compared the maps? it is not me the times are different.. they are adapted to work with pressures pi? high:
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:confused:
I have trawled the two files of a gp 75 and 90 for the speech of the rail, and I remember they were the same in the t' inj.
Maybe for? you have compared the 69 with the 90, and may also be different, even the injectors are different....Please, forgive me.
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Here, this ? the comparison between 75/90.
I apologize for the error pocansi. Having said this, we deduce that on the 75 the tinj may remain the same, even managing to raise the pressure. :cool:
Then according to you ? better to modify the breakpoint (value of 1500 to carry it to 1600), or as I have done to stretch all the curves a bit to have a value of time of injection to 1700 bar?
Wanting with the my solution and I could also change the break and set to 1600 instead of 1700 to have a curve ir? linear
Here I do not know, in theory it's the brack point, but you would have everything scaled differently...as in the point where now ? at 200 bar, then sar? 230(I suppose numbers to the case)
Why? from the original I have these values, the table should be right cos?
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As you can see the last column corresponds to the pressure of 1700 bar, and for this we do not have the time of injection...
turbolic
25-01-2014, 18:19
Reading this post, I'm learning a lot of things, so first of all thanks to all of you, I have a panda 70cv, the addresses are different than the map in question, but substantially ? equal, just find the correspondence.
They are at the same point Fede78, I raised 2 limiters 830( 830x2-100 equal 1560) and modified the various addresses related to the pressure, but diagnosis of the pressure as soon as more than 1450 began to swing in the graph, the pressure peaks are up to 1560 bar.
The brack-point change, I believe, is to address 068A26, but are not yet able to understand it, the values start at 50 and go up to 900.
Now I try to stretch the curves of the main injection of a bit, and then let's see what it says in the diagnosis.
a greeting to all
Lengthening the curves, the pressure does not fluctuate more?, but not salt, from a peak of 1500 and then cala gradually bringing it to the original value, about 1350bar, instead of leaving the original two-bit 775, rises to 1450 and remains constant( but 4? gear up to 4500 rpm)
a greeting to all.
I tried the file with only the rail and related limiters changed with the times (stretched), but all of the torque limiters ori.
But always error fuel pressure and pressure that, however, doesn't it ? stable and in any case does not rise above the 1490/1500 bar.
From the tip of Backgroop I also modified the other two bits in my file of the point (but also that of the y as they are identical) to the addresses 655D4 and 655DB that there should be two other limiters of the rail pressure (eprom*2-100)
But even with these two bits, the situation does not change.
eobdexpression
28-01-2014, 17:09
I tried the file with only the rail and related limiters changed with the times (stretched), but all of the torque limiters ori.
But always error fuel pressure and pressure that, however, doesn't it ? stable and in any case does not rise above the 1490/1500 bar.
From the tip of Backgroop I also modified the other two bits in my file of the point (but also that of the y as they are identical) to the addresses 655D4 and 655DB that there should be two other limiters of the rail pressure (eprom*2-100)
But even with these two bits, the situation does not change.
Hello if you always recovery can be more? one of the reasons:
Sensor flute rail damaged
error bit modified
error why? there are other bits to change
According to me c'? some other bit or I can not understand the map well 67A06... limiter rail in function of the temp of the diesel... " for an axis, I the temperature of the diesel but in the other should be the rpm... but I don't understand the conversion factor, and if they really are spins or no...
I say cos? why? even with no change in these 4-bit single you talked about here in the discussion when trying to go on with the rail I had the error also making maps from 1450 bar while if I remember correctly, some time ago I tried a map from 1480 bar and that gave me error... now I can't find it on the pi?.. are in pi? 110 the scriptures....
The alternative would be to change the bits of the gain of the sensor rail... knowing what ?... cos? to do ir? or less what makes a form. Of course, in the diagnosis do I have to do a map type to 1400 bar which is actually? then they will be more? as the sensor reads less than the actual pressure and therefore the pump pushes the pi?... drawback then ? as an analog module with the linear trend, and then I would have pi? pressure always...
For now I put a map at 1430, and goes to that ? a show and, above all, no lights. That of 1600 bar was one of my obsession to replace the injectors, 1.3 95 hp and get them to work precisely to 1600 bar ? the pressure of work.
turbolic
28-01-2014, 22:56
That of 1600 bar was one of my obsession to replace the injectors, 1.3 95 hp and get them to work precisely to 1600 bar ? the pressure of work.
In my panda, however, does not turn on the light, even midificando the two bits.
For me, the pull on the pressure ? an obsession, my goal ? try to smoke less, in fact, the performance I got out of the car are more? that satisfactory, it should be already too much compared to its road-holding, not to mention that I have to mount a reinforced clutch perch? slide in continuation.
For? if you pull up the pressure I can reduce the times of opening and probably smokes less, around even with the original turbo( diagnosis to a bar exactly) and maybe ? for this reason, smoking pulling.
a greeting to all.
To me, the light comes on if the pressure in the diagnosis exceeds 1450 bar about... if the pressure is under no light.
But if I make a map of the rail even to 1450 bar (a value of 1550 in the map) then turns on me the light why? can I have spikes of 20/30 bar above the set pressure.
riccardo92
29-01-2014, 00:07
In my panda, however, does not turn on the light, even midificando the two bits.
For me, the pull on the pressure ? an obsession, my goal ? try to smoke less, in fact, the performance I got out of the car are more? that satisfactory, it should be already too much compared to its road-holding, not to mention that I have to mount a reinforced clutch perch? slide in continuation.
For? if you pull up the pressure I can reduce the times of opening and probably smokes less, around even with the original turbo( diagnosis to a bar exactly) and maybe ? for this reason, smoking pulling.
a greeting to all.
Why? do you want to shorten the time of injection? inject until after the TDC and will cause fumosit?? I ask you, why? I'm also trying to decrease the smoke? I have injections cos? long.
To me, the light comes on if the pressure in the diagnosis exceeds 1450 bar about... if the pressure is under no light.
But if I make a map of the rail even to 1450 bar (a value of 1550 in the map) then turns on me the light why? can I have spikes of 20/30 bar above the set pressure.
Strange, to me, doesn't it ? never turned on the light with 1450 bar, while with 1460.
I can not understand one thing: why? the pressure, the ori, after the maximum peak ( 3750 rpm - 1400bar) drops with the increase of the rpm to 1320 bar? It is a change that makes sense (and not detrimental) to bring the high rpm, all at 1450?
Strange, to me, doesn't it ? never turned on the light with 1450 bar, while with 1460.
I can not understand one thing: why? the pressure, the ori, after the maximum peak ( 3750 rpm - 1400bar) drops with the increase of the rpm to 1320 bar? It is a change that makes sense (and not detrimental) to bring the high rpm, all at 1450?
Well maybe to me, at 1450 (no) and 1460... I have made many maps, and pu? be that I am confused.
The pressure after the peak drops why? set cos? in the map ori.. if I ask why? the engineers at fiat have designed the cos? then I don't know...
eobdexpression
29-01-2014, 02:33
I think that sometimes you have to also know if the mechanical components such as the rail so the pump,injectors,fuel injectors,sensor flute rail pressure, are perfectly intact, without any problem, why? just one of these mechanical organs do not work properly, here is the explanation of the problem of recovery.That's why? c'? people who do not have problems with errors caused by the pressure even if modifcano the two bits, bringing the pressure even at 1600 mbar.
I think that sometimes you have to also know if the mechanical components such as the rail so the pump,injectors,fuel injectors,sensor flute rail pressure, are perfectly intact, without any problem, why? just one of these mechanical organs do not work properly, here is the explanation of the problem of recovery.That's why? c'? people who do not have problems with errors caused by the pressure even if modifcano the two bits, bringing the pressure even at 1600 mbar.
For what I know I don't have a lot of riusciscire to have 1600 bar in the engine 70CV... in the 75 ? a different story. To my knowledge there are only two cases, Backgroop and a trainer that I've read here in this or another forum, Bobracing.
Here we are two or three users we are trying to do and we have the same results then according to me missing some small detail.
hello, excuse my intrusion, but reading the post I am very passionate and I hope that little by little, it will go on to understand the dip!!iu' on the marelli being myself the owner of a great point mje.
I miadomanda and': I've seen formulas in which it is indicated 2* eprom
But eprom what corresponds to excuse the ignorance but
riccardo92
29-01-2014, 11:16
hello, excuse my intrusion, but reading the post I am very passionate and I hope that little by little, it will go on to understand the dip!!iu' on the marelli being myself the owner of a great point mje.
I miadomanda and': I've seen formulas in which it is indicated 2* eprom
But eprom what corresponds to excuse the ignorance but
Corresponds to the value read on the map. As the axis of the prex rail in the map of the duration where a value ? for example, 600 with conversion factor 2*eprom-100 then becomes 2*600-100 = 1100 bar.
Ok understood, thanks mario the thousand
Only I, with the 75 I can not get over the 1460? xD
Only I, with the 75 I can not get over the 1460? xD
Ah I don't know, I always thought that the 75 was pi? easy as that should have the same pump and injectors of the 90 hp and also the same ecu.. But I could have said what is not true.
I am not able to go beyond the 1460, and if I raise the bit set to 775, so that pressure dancer...turn off the machine and cancel the starter motor for 10 seconds xD
turbolic
29-01-2014, 21:30
Why? do you want to shorten the time of injection? inject until after the TDC and will cause fumosit?? I ask you, why? I'm also trying to decrease the smoke? I have injections cos? long.
Strange, to me, doesn't it ? never turned on the light with 1450 bar, while with 1460.
I can not understand one thing: why? the pressure, the ori, after the maximum peak ( 3750 rpm - 1400bar) drops with the increase of the rpm to 1320 bar? It is a change that makes sense (and not detrimental) to bring the high rpm, all at 1450?
Are not able to answer your question, there are months that the study of this unit, but I have little documentation and what I found on the net and that I thought it was valid in reality? not ?, for example, the rail pressure gave me a 0 offset instead ? -100.
However, even with the original map mj 70cv smoke, in contrast to the 90hp that map and the media do not smoke for nothing.
On my file, on the last curve of the main injection to the maximum of the increments c'? a difference of 155.
riccardo92
29-01-2014, 22:54
Strange, it should not smoke with the map ori, ? likely that there is a problem. However, we cannot talk about it here sen? we go off topic
I to the maximum of the increments I 217 and smoke pretty well but I do not injection ever after tdc, I think they simply lack the air :(
Ela.Toretto
30-01-2014, 07:52
but for the speech of the rail in the 75 hp if we copy the maps from 90 hp to the management of the rail say that acts?
Backgroop
31-01-2014, 13:15
but for the speech of the rail in the 75 hp if we copy the maps from 90 hp to the management of the rail say that acts?
for the 75 hp, speech and different, there are other changes you make to the file other bits to change, if you scroll back in the post and read it right, you'll find the solution..
Ela.Toretto
31-01-2014, 15:21
I went back for? for now I can not see the screens and so I go to nose ;) however comparing the files 75 and 90 I found some different bits before the actual rail map and I wanted to know if I could be on the right track ;)
Guys but as ever you were stopped with the post you've been doing work great why don't we continue slowly to make clear on all of the marelli how he was doing?
turbolic
09-02-2014, 21:12
I have not stopped, I have read it dozens of times in the post, especially the tips of Backgroop, but to me there are still too many bases, I can not stabilize the pressure of the fuel by changing the two limiters 775
I tried again today but nothing, I tried to get them to 800, trying to bring to 1500bar the other maps, but there are some addresses that I totally displace, in the attached image you will notice that with the pull of a gear, the pressure rises and then begins to oscillate.........sooner or later we get there!
a greeting to all.
Yes, he does the same to me, same behavior.
For now I gave up... now would be to understand if there are other maps, "interesting"
according to me, the rail fluctuates because the ecu has a pid control on the valve drv like the ones for the turbo...
the oscillatory behavior of the pressure-in fact, I f? think you have pid control that seek to follow what is set in the map-rail, but all in vain, because they did not set with knowledge in these blessed pid.....
it is available....on the bosch? someone said to me that there are....
SandroMarciano
11-02-2014, 10:16
according to me, the rail fluctuates because the ecu has a pid control on the valve drv like the ones for the turbo...
the oscillatory behavior of the pressure-in fact, I f? think you have pid control that seek to follow what is set in the map-rail, but all in vain, because they did not set with knowledge in these blessed pid.....
it is available....on the bosch? someone said to me that there are....
on the bosch there are the PID relative to the rail, if you are interested in knowing where are you, I point them to him, on marelli I assume that there are even here, otherwise the pressure would peak absurd standard. However, if the pid remain the original ? you may experience this oscillation (unless a high pressure pump other than that series), the only possibility? ? that may have been modified along with the rest of the maps...
In a damos how you could call this PID? Simply PID or other names?
Just take a look at the project ols of the MJD8 that seems to come from a damos. Then if I can find them, maybe I can see if I can find the equivalent on MJD6.
Indeed, I'm attaching this project of ols cos? you that you are ir? experts maybe understand something more?...
The file ? the annex at the beginning of the previous message... but you can't? to edit a message here on the forum? Type now that I wanted to put the link to the attachment in the bottom of the message?
SandroMarciano
11-02-2014, 13:08
on bosch you have there are from 2 to 4 for each operator: P, I, D.
Backgroop
11-02-2014, 13:26
on the bosch there are the PID relative to the rail, if you are interested in knowing where are you, I point them to him, on marelli I assume that there are even here, otherwise the pressure would peak absurd standard. However, if the pid remain the original ? you may experience this oscillation (unless a high pressure pump other than that series), the only possibility? ? that may have been modified along with the rest of the maps...
There are Nn pid to change, not to oscillate the pressure just change the maps in the right way, I have come to a point 70 to 1590 peak, I can just place the mod file..
SandroMarciano
11-02-2014, 18:40
There are Nn pid to change, not to oscillate the pressure just change the maps in the right way, I have come to a point 70 to 1590 peak, I can just place the mod file..
I'm sorry I don't have one with you, but today I don't understand anyone, maybe I write too confused I...
But I also argue that with series components, the pressure must necessarily stabilize even with the pid of the original, indeed, that it should remain as such
Sorry guys but looking at some maps of the mjet I saw that the myth 90 hp has a map pedal different from that of the gp 90 hp and this might be the hole under 2000 rpm and it feels a lot less, because then some of the other differences in the map I don't see
riccardo92
19-02-2014, 15:54
Sorry guys but looking at some maps of the mjet I saw that the myth 90 hp has a map pedal different from that of the gp 90 hp and this might be the hole under 2000 rpm and it feels a lot less, because then some of the other differences in the map I don't see
S?, by aligning the maps pedal c'? a difference of 30-40% in favour of the myth at low revs
in fact, it's happened to drive a myth gold and is very linear as distribution
cinqueturbo
19-02-2014, 16:37
Sorry guys but looking at some maps of the mjet I saw that the myth 90 hp has a map pedal different from that of the gp 90 hp and this might be the hole under 2000 rpm and it feels a lot less, because then some of the other differences in the map I don't see
Could you post the file?
surely the community appezzerebbe...
riccardo92
20-02-2014, 11:21
Guys, but has anyone tried to make a map informed, leaving the times of injection ori? The map time working up to 65mm3, while the other up to 45. You have to scale the axes of all of the curves in c'? the IQ or only some?
Richard you know how to scale the axes ? Because according to me the best solution is as you say
riccardo92
21-02-2014, 11:00
I tried to scale the axis IQ of the advance by adding the values 55mm3 and 65mm3. Also the axis of the prex rail. You have to understand if you have to scale all or just a few, you get them all ? a lot of work.
I don't know how you do it,' I protested example, why we would like to try it also I
riccardo92
21-02-2014, 17:23
Of course! But I'm not sure at 100% ? better to wait for the opinion of someone more? expert.
In the case of the map in advance I noticed that the first 4 curves of IQ (0 mm3, 4,6,8) are the same then I climbed all over the map, and the axis 2 step, obtaining cos? space for 2 curves after the 45mm3. where I put the values of advance for 55mm3 and 65mm3. I hope I could explain myself.
yes, now I understand thanks richard
Ela.Toretto
21-02-2014, 18:29
it would be interesting to see if ? a speech that can? work, then if ? laborious (but it works) trust that the desire and patience for hard work are found ;)
certainly it is the best method because it informs the control unit of the real values because from what I understand changing, not only you have to do is cheat.
And as if all of a lift when you press for example the second floor stops at the fourth because the controller is programmed in such a way that I'll second corresponds to the fourth.
However, with the change of break the elevator knows exactly what the actual plan is. So according to me to make a map informed by scaling all the axes of iq by recalculating The time the prex would be a nice mod.
Ela.Toretto
22-02-2014, 07:49
but not ? what? making the map stretching for a few bits that prevents, detects changes and not functions? I don't know if I explained it well... obviously my ? a guess
turbolic
22-02-2014, 22:48
I read that some change in these curves( 06959E) to increase the pressure of the diesel fuel, you know? ? a hoax?
greetings
I read that some change in these curves( 06959E) to increase the pressure of the diesel fuel, you know? ? a hoax?
greetings
I have compared it with the map of the 95cv and has the same values as this. The calls HPFL - Zbulk map and the scale bar, a-axis ? the temperature of the diesel fuel and the other axis is not ? ...
Still working on the 95cv to 1600 bar if it was a map that changes the pressure would be different instead of the same values of the 70cv
Guys if my map ori but I can' help you to understand the advances I can't find them and even if they were essendi out of the driver I could not understand them, but can help me so I can set the best time of injection?
leandro89
27-02-2014, 20:52
Guys if my map ori but I can' help you to understand the advances I can't find them and even if they were essendi out of the driver I could not understand them, but can help me so I can set the best time of injection?
the file ori should be posted in the database if there were no gi?, and in the discussion paste the link with the number of posts
Hi everyone, I have a new lancia ypsilon multijet 70cv with the engine of the 95cv and turbine delta 1.6 120 hp and injectors mixed I read all the discussion and tried everything that you have discussed from the beginning to the end, starting from the pedal on the accelerator mapped to reverse.....at first glance, deceives semba that it is all upside down, but if the last three columns of the rpm, enter a value of 0, the machine does not accelerate all stops meta scheme if you are upside down to run out the first three columns of the machine nn accelerates then the map should be read at least by the titanium ..tabbellare in the sense in which it is indicated.....
leandro89
08-03-2014, 11:24
Hi everyone, I have a new lancia ypsilon multijet 70cv with the engine of the 95cv and turbine delta 1.6 120 hp and injectors mixed I read all the discussion and tried everything that you have discussed from the beginning to the end, starting from the pedal on the accelerator mapped to reverse.....at first glance, deceives semba that it is all upside down, but if the last three columns of the rpm, enter a value of 0, the machine does not accelerate all stops meta scheme if you are upside down to run out the first three columns of the machine nn accelerates then the map should be read at least by the titanium ..tabbellare in the sense in which it is indicated.....
? appreciated your presentation in the appropriate section "presentation"
isfedale82
16-03-2014, 20:58
I c'? I...if you want to step...
hello ? can send it to me as well thanks
dariuccio
17-03-2014, 22:30
this discussion ? really interesting, I've read from the first to the last post trying to take advantage of all the users who know more than me and
they have discussed to find the address you want to map, thinking that they were the same as for the ecu on the corsa c 70cv, but ahim? not ? so.
really addresses change or am I that I did not understand na bat?
turbolic
18-03-2014, 09:03
It addresses change, but they are very similar, even in my panda 70cv addresses are moved in respect to those of the point, but if you scroll the map in 2D to find them.
hello.
Do you believe that Dariuccio refers to the difference between 69 and 75 hp...
dariuccio
18-03-2014, 13:54
turbolic has caught in the middle of my concerns, but have moved a lot or are nearby?
I am always in the area...
I did not finally understand, if in the 69cv, just moddare the rail map with its limiter, and move the stationary bit to 775. In that case, the same bit,? before the rail map;)
I had misunderstood me then, I ask forgiveness.
dariuccio
18-03-2014, 22:22
but this of which you speak ? the only limiter of the rail? or are there any type lim rail as a function of air temp, engine etc...?
turbolic
19-03-2014, 08:20
hello ? can send it to me as well thanks
If the moderators give me permission, the file that helps to understand some of the maps , the I attach to a post ? very interesting, but contains some error, for example on the rail pressure indicate offset 0 instead here I learned that ? -100
a greeting to all
There are also other limiters, such as, for example, the ladder below the map rail...
But that limits to 1460 bar, it should be this here ;)
dariuccio
19-03-2014, 12:21
the setlist after the map rail ? a limiter rail or what? you increase of 20% or otherwise?
I usually raise it all. I do not go into values percentuali...Se I set myself rail in map rail, I also do the limiter. For? eye, moddalo all, otherwise in the increments at low revolutions, you are still limited ;)
dariuccio
19-03-2014, 13:38
thanks danny, but one thing escapes me, that limiter that ? reported to the rail (the ladder after the map) is to be raised by the same percentage that rose up in the
map of the rail? the last curiosity?: the limiter restricts what exactly and for what?
that bit where you were talking about above firm to 775 limits the prex rail in 1480, and then to get to 1600 bar of pressure (? an example why? there would be too many) I should
increase of 120 points that bit, or in what way?
leandro89
19-03-2014, 19:18
If the moderators give me permission, the file that helps to understand some of the maps , the I attach to a post ? very interesting, but contains some error, for example on the rail pressure indicate offset 0 instead here I learned that ? -100
a greeting to all
if it does not contain material that is protected by copyright, you can do it
turbolic
21-03-2014, 09:09
7420
if it does not contain material that is protected by copyright, you can do it
here it is
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leandro89
21-03-2014, 11:30
7420
here it is
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'll call you officially in this annex were present external sites regarding the chiptuning before attaching the material of the genre should check its contents
And normal that also change the Swift and 6jf, and the addresses change
The addresses are different, the maps are similar
Ps:I have already submitted
dariuccio
23-03-2014, 11:46
but not are different a lot.
I, regulation, permitting, I would like to post some screen of the corsa c mjet so you can compare them with the other mjet to understand
better than moving the various addresses
Would make everything more clear.
SandroMarciano
24-03-2014, 08:38
but not are different a lot.
I, regulation, permitting, I would like to post some screen of the corsa c mjet so you can compare them with the other mjet to understand
better than moving the various addresses
I'm sorry, but if the maps are not in the same locations that the problem ?? if the comparison in 2d, however, will have a similar trend, where can you find the same!
dariuccio
24-03-2014, 12:29
it was to debate on these differences, and, however, the curves do not think they are all the same
SandroMarciano
24-03-2014, 12:52
it was to debate these differences and in any case the curves I think are not all the same from my experience can I tell you that the size ? always the same, there? which also changes by changing n?Sw in the same car usually are the 2 pedal maps, the others are pi? or not the usual
Depends on the maps pedal year of negative values
dariuccio
24-03-2014, 18:07
from the little that I know any car that has the cut off as a strategy has negative values in the maps pedal
All of the 1.3 mjet have a part of the pedal in the negative, it seems to me...at Least the ones I worked on, have the part starting in the negative.
I personally in that area do not edit...
SandroMarciano
25-03-2014, 11:56
I personally in that area do not edit...
I advise you to try, a customer, for example, was changed fast, and complained that the car he had accelerated, increasing the negative values (-12 --> -15, for example), the effect is not desired ? disappeared.
Obvious ? that does not contribute to the performance, but only to improve the behavior in release phase...
I have done various tests also depends on how much increase... the difference you note if you change in percentage or fixed.
good morning, this is the map ori of my car,I searched on the forum and there was then posted I hope not to be wrong,and that's a great point 90 hp someone with damos could give me a manoa find all the maps with any values of conversion? with the driver of the ecm by only a few maps eltre I found them thanks to this post,but I would like to know if there are still to make a map different from the usual.
The values neghatini serve to bring her back daigli high rpm to low so quick to promote the deceleration
dariuccio
26-03-2014, 21:22
then when you leave the throttle and the car tends to push for a moment, even with the gas closed depends on these negative values?
or ? due to the injection times that are too long? c'? who says so'
Dariuccio the problem that remains accelerated in cecellerazione and gave more components.....before mappassi you did it myself a time or had to be replaced, and even the ecu for a triac....
dariuccio
27-03-2014, 18:23
I don't think my case! I of maps I don't know but on my machine I want to experience and I've definitely done something wrong, it is only of the fourth
To acted too much on the injection and only if, exaggerate fa irregularities while with the torque limiters go quiet
Always within the limits
dariuccio
28-03-2014, 13:48
thanks, I will try to decrease a bit the injection time
dariuccio
28-03-2014, 21:54
I am very pleased with it, considering that the starting base ? 70 and not 95 hp. but we're too off topic
mariodarkblue
29-03-2014, 20:02
Hello:) Then the fact that it remains accelerated could be due to two factors..wrong increase of injection times, or from the pedal map..*****and you made them?
dariuccio
29-03-2014, 20:25
what do you mean with "how you made them"? I could post the map? I think it is all sbagliatissima!
dariuccio
29-03-2014, 23:20
To change the limiter that source ? set at 5500 rpm and to increase the rpm minimum to proceed in the following way:
To move the limiter:
Search in the ESA the string 157C 02EE the search return? the two results, the bit that interests us ? 157C
that decimal has a value of 5500 rpm
To move the rpm minimum:
Search in the ESA the string 157C 02EE the search return? the two results, the bit that interests us ? 02EE
that decimal has a value of 750 rpm
157c = AFM1:maximum engine rpm (cond.attivazione)
02EE = AFM1:minimum Threshold engine rpm (cond.attivazione)
Attention! the bits are available for editing at the pair and then two for the limiter, and two for the rpm minimum
6451
this ? the rpm limiter of the c stroke?7477
the other couple of bits but I can't find it, ? possible that on the stroke the other pair is not c'
dariuccio
29-03-2014, 23:25
7479
how do I give the right size of the image?
mariodarkblue
30-03-2014, 12:15
what do you mean with "how you made them"? I could post the map? I think it is all sbagliatissima!
Hello dariuccio!sure you can post the map!I don't see why? of the not do it..? flour your lot...make a zip file and put ori and mod...
dariuccio
30-03-2014, 12:38
va b? I asked why? discussion ? dedicated to the marelli but it also speaks of the y
Of the same family ? so I guess not ? a problem.
dariuccio
30-03-2014, 14:37
here are the files, aul mod file ? bypassed the egr with volta loader
you opinions, criticism, and, above all, advice and teachings
missing the gold..***** o the egr ? closed well for the rest I use another method to change...I always start at 1500 rpm and 50% load ....
dariuccio
30-03-2014, 16:49
the ori, it seems to me you have inserted it, however
but you have it already? watched? opinions? advice? are ansiosissimo
dariuccio
30-03-2014, 16:51
keep in mind that the horsemanship filter cone, turbine, bravo 1.6 120 hp and mass air flow sensor point jtd 105cv
pdtechnology
30-03-2014, 18:21
dariuccio if I can give my opinion see to adapt better to the map, especially if you've mounted the fairy the egr ? chusa and it's good, but there are maps left out I don't know if oversight or what, but I repeat show to adapt the map to be able to go well with the car...? just my opinion...
dariuccio
30-03-2014, 19:46
and here is the best!...
7486
the IQ has a maximum value of 20479 and multiplied by the conversion factor 0,002941 I d? 60,22 that should be mg of fuel injected,
prex rail the maximum value ? 800 multiplied by the conversion factor 2 I d? 1600-100 (offset 1500).
? right here?
now I don't understand how I have to imagine the x y and z axes for each individual curve
dariuccio
30-03-2014, 19:53
little OT: I apologize to the admin but I'm trying to understand how to give the right dimension to the images
7487
mariodarkblue
30-03-2014, 20:13
dariuccio see ke the ori have not entered..you have inserted the link to the file;)
msport (exil77grande)
30-03-2014, 20:24
good morning, this is the map ori of my car,I searched on the forum and there was then posted I hope not to be wrong,and that's a great point 90 hp someone with damos could give me a manoa find all the maps with any values of conversion? with the driver of the ecm by only a few maps eltre I found them thanks to this post,but I would like to know if there are still to make a map different from the usual.
1? I do not think the discussion of exactly where to examine the files on your machine, because here you study in general, the 1.3 mjet if you read the whole post at the fancy maps
2? the original file that you posted should be already present if it is not you have to post it for the next time in the database for the make and model nominated, and then paste only the link of where you posted in the discussion in question,good continuation
dariuccio
30-03-2014, 20:25
sorry here is the ori
msport (exil77grande)
30-03-2014, 20:29
keep in mind that the horsemanship filter cone, turbine, bravo 1.6 120 hp and mass air flow sensor point jtd 105cv
as always, you can go to the offtopic,I would like to ask not to turn a beautiful discussion like this on your personal problem for that there are other sections,for the pictures that you see so.
dariuccio
30-03-2014, 20:32
you're right, I apologize
pdtechnology
30-03-2014, 20:44
dariuccio I don't know if you've read the whole discussion, but if you see c am attached photos and anything else to change well marelli in question does not know and does not allow me to give reviews but if I can give you another tip if you want a better understanding of this field go to the admn where are ogranizzando a training course, evedrai that many things will be more clear...just my opinion eh...
mariodarkblue
01-04-2014, 09:25
Hello dariuccio..I was just looking at the map of the race...so...first injection times...have you read a p? d pages back?take a good look at your edit and see that ? completely wrong.Map pedal: what criteria did you use?
dariuccio
01-04-2014, 11:20
hi Mario and thanks for the availability? and the time that waste for me,
I have to say that I know this map ? made a c....or a dog for the simple fact that when I made it I didn't know everything
what I know now about the mappings (not ? they are now much prepared but compared to before) but the car goes well, the pedal responds well, the machine ? playful and does not smoke at all, and for this I have more done.
but now I would like to try to make a map more serious, and is made with the policy. I would like to understand a little more on the breakpoint and on as I have immaginnare the x y and z axes in the graph in 2d
mariodarkblue
01-04-2014, 20:24
hi Mario and thanks for the availability? and the time that waste for me,
I have to say that I know this map ? made a c....or a dog for the simple fact that when I made it I didn't know everything
what I know now about the mappings (not ? they are now much prepared but compared to before) but the car goes well, the pedal responds well, the machine ? playful and does not smoke at all, and for this I have more done.
but now I would like to try to make a map more serious, and is made with the policy. I would like to understand a little more on the breakpoint and on as I have immaginnare the x y and z axes in the graph in 2d
Hi...then look at some posts back..c0? explained the map times;) can I tell you that on the axes you have Prail and quantity? of injected diesel fuel..you can also find the conversion factors..On the Z axis you have the injection times expressed in US.
With the address data previously on the rev limiter does not change anything, are not-----
sportknight
02-04-2014, 21:53
but in the end it ? discovered from that side to change the tsi injection times??
For the pedal, that is, the first limiter tiles you in the right direction tested if the last two columns 80 e100 load and the value 0 the mmotore speeds up to 3000 rpm if, instead, you put a value of 0 to the first 2 columns, the car does not accelerate your......
mariodarkblue
03-04-2014, 14:28
Therefore, I see that you still cherish doubts...
The map injection times what port on the axes?Pressure and IQ..well...look at the 2d...and see..every single gobbetta what does it represent?
dariuccio
03-04-2014, 16:33
it should represent the engine speed
Ela.Toretto
03-04-2014, 19:11
Dario can not be turns, since that ? in relation to Pre carburante fuel and IQ ;) each hunchback represents an IQ value (specified in the reference break point) and each bit of the hunchback represents a pre carburante fuel value (always specified in the breakpoint) I hope I did not say ca * * ate ;)
it should represent the engine speed
See the attachment of post #342 on page 35 of this discussion
mariodarkblue
03-04-2014, 20:09
Exact guys, we have X-axis IQ and Y-axis Prail..so...every gobbetta rappressenta a value of IQ, and each point a value Prail...now..there? what makes you understand dario?
dariuccio
03-04-2014, 20:16
this makes me realize that as you increase the injection time is a drop in the pressure rail
ducati83
03-04-2014, 21:12
guys a question, but the torque limiters which are reported in the drivers I confirmed that restrict the diesel?
this makes me realize that as you increase the injection time is a drop in the pressure rail
No, the increase in pressure decreases the time of injection.
If I have to inject, for example, 40 mg of diesel ? normal to 1000 bar I want more? time to 1400 bar
dariuccio
03-04-2014, 21:26
please faith reread my sentence...
riccardo92
03-04-2014, 21:28
this makes me realize that as you increase the injection time is a drop in the pressure rail
It is the opposite, the fixed IQ to increase the rail pressure decreases the time of injection
guys a question, but the torque limiters which are reported in the drivers I confirmed that restrict the diesel?
torque limiter [2]: these Are the 2 new maps for drivers to wish
torque limiter #2[1]: torque limiter in f. temp. water
torque limiter #3[2]: torque limiters, those at the dome. Ce n'? also another that you can find by scrolling the map in 2d.
And those two that make???
and where to intervene to get him to do more than 5000 rpm, according to you??
Ela.Toretto
04-04-2014, 12:26
but I knew that the limiters to the dome does not serve any purpose in terms of performance (changing them does not change anything)
ducati83
04-04-2014, 12:37
It is the opposite, the fixed IQ to increase the rail pressure decreases the time of injection
torque limiter [2]: these Are the 2 new maps for drivers to wish
torque limiter #2[1]: torque limiter in f. temp. water
torque limiter #3[2]: torque limiters, those at the dome. Ce n'? also another that you can find by scrolling the map in 2d.
yes, I found....but I wanted to understand if, in the Z-axis we have the IQ or NM.....
But the reason to move the rev limiter?
According to me it's not worth it... do you?
angelolsp
04-04-2014, 12:55
mainly, for me, only spokkiosit?...except ke, there are preparations quite heavy and need but always only the first-speed x does not get right to the limiter, and have more rounds or more time to immediately put the other gear
Change the turbo and see if you don't need to 5600 rpm...
With turbo gold obviously ? the last of the thoughts.
riccardo92
04-04-2014, 15:37
but I knew that the limiters to the dome does not serve any purpose in terms of performance (changing them does not change anything)
I also heard this thing, probably why? are set already? high enough
yes, I found....but I wanted to understand if, in the Z-axis we have the IQ or NM.....
in these limiters are Nm.
ducati83
04-04-2014, 15:48
ok thanks, at least now they are like my bearings....
For the rev limiters do you have to intervene in the injection parzializato in the limiters of the club or elsewhere????
jacktheripper2
05-04-2014, 03:20
For the rev limiters do you have to intervene in the injection parzializato in the limiters of the club or elsewhere????
You have to act elsewhere if not from those two maps do not stand up for anything in the rpm
Change the turbo and see if you don't need to 5600 rpm...
With turbo gold obviously ? the last of the thoughts.
But with that turbine serving 5600 rpm?
I don't know I seem to be many for a diesel
Trust that with a turbine pi? serious the kp/bv35 gold, you need...And you can almost have the short gearing. especially in the first, second and third. xD
For? we are off topic. As said by Jack, the limiter ? elsewhere, in the area of t inj.
The fly study. This unit
This limiter if you are not in the lim and iniez. Where and at what address????
(To answer someone who said that need to move it if you mount the tutbo of the delta 1600 120 hp that fits the ori on the collectors of 95 all insu Without raising even the head trust it to need and how ...)
Someone is already working on this??
Seemed to me to be a lot of laps for a turbo diesel... then the turbine of the delta 1600 120 hp has the same flange of the collector of the 95cv?
Very good and trusted more injectors composed of coil ori and the tips of the delta to 1.8 bar, the only problem I have also 5th gear the rev counter gets to 5000 rpm, and the ends of the pull.....
I need to know what the address is the limiter settings ....
Excuse, that means coil ori and the tips of the delta?!?
ducati83
07-04-2014, 01:58
I confirmed that there is a real map of the turbo as edc16c39? c'? only the map relief with the bits limiters right?
now the discussion I read it all but I can't find the maps of the advances, help!!!
Excuse, that means coil ori and the tips of the delta?!?
It means that the injectors are coupled
The injectors can be removed and in my case are in three parts, coil rod and the tip.....
I ask all of you if anyone has ever managed to find the way and the address to move the LIMITER settings??....thank you in advance
It means that the injectors are coupled
The injectors can be removed and in my case are in three parts, coil rod and the tip.....
And the points from which the delta you have taken?!? About the limiter settings, have you ever tried to see how many laps in size?
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