guide to disabling the butterflies SWIRL engines Alfa MJT

[Max338]

I will tell you my experience: I have a 159 1900 jtdm since 2009. Drive with 58000km, always fully serviced and kept in a perfect way. Yesterday ,I put in motion, and after a minute I feel a strong beat to the tappet, the cursed palette swirl are going to end up in the combustion chamber. Luck would have it, the pieces that are left on a piston and still have not done damage, but between cleaning, head gasket, gaskets, and various, full distribution and transmission oil expenditure is around 550-600 euro. Guys, I consider myself lucky that I have not broken anything but I advise you to delete this mange. Cursed at the person who invented this system.

[Max338]

Kindly let me know what do I need to do. Practically on the dipstick were two butterflies that make? remove but I would like to understand which holes do I have to close? Thanks in advance

[cinqueturbo]

Kindly let me know what do I need to do. Practically on the dipstick were two butterflies that make? remove but I would like to understand which holes do I have to close? Thanks in advance

Those of the dipstick in fact..
or pi? simply take a manifold of the euro 3-4 I don't remember the precise alfa 147 150 hp all aluminum and you are affixed..

[fabiovts88]

why can't I read the discussions ..? it tells me that I do not have the permission to view

[Dmitry]

good work! thanks!

[cerbino]

Hi, I'm back, I'm finally doing physically remove the swirl, and I would also like to disable them from the map to do a job more? full and to lock the actuator. I wonder if ? correct change to disable the swirl, thanks

[puntojtd19]

Only the collectors euro3 are without swirl and all aluminum. Otherwise get a manifold aluminium 147 MJ 150 e4 (2006-2008) and remove its mounting of the threaded plugs in place of the control rods. The actuator leave it connected but not working. No light on. Tested on my 147.

[cerbino]

on my alfa 147 2006 the mechanic has removed the swirl, and I did cut off the axes on which they were punched butterflies, so that the lower part acts as a cap ( the mechanic did not deem it necessary to thread to put 4 pins, although I would have preferred that). Then I wrote the map I posted and diagnosis of the entry " butterfly valve flow" and fixed on the 5% even if I accelerate. While if I send the command through the actuators test instead, the value ranges from 5% to approximately 95%. So I assume that now the gears are locked and used only by the cap! However, even if I go to a p? off topic, eliminating the swirl and the 2 catalytic converters, the car goes very well, so that you lose on the low!!! Accelerator pi? sensitive and response ir? immediate. Only a p? of noise? accented why? at a minimum, the collectors are now more? open, and a bit of engine braking in the least, but imperceptible. Motor? also emphasized is given by the catalysts emptied. According to me better to put the stainless steel tubes. The council to delete these butterflies before crying an engine that maybe it was perfect before that you would aspire to the swirl!!!

[Engine83]

hello all, I also captain a lot of machines with the problem of the butterflies, especially the fiat group from time to time ? an undertaking to remove the manifold and do the plugs, but what is pi? difficult ? to digest the hours of work to the customer for 4 caps. :-)
I wanted to ask you a question I hope it's not silly, has anyone checked to see if disabling it in the map, the motor remains open but neutral, or can you? move? with the pressure may make contrast on the motor and close them?

[andrea58599]

Hello all, I have a croma 1.9 150 hp 2008, purchased used in 2012, about a year after the purchase, I heard a rumoraccio in acceleration with the relative loss of power and no light, after a few minutes the machine is back to behaving like always, after two years due to laziness at low speeds, difficulty in resume and tugging at the altitude of 1800-2200 I decided to remove the manifold (plastic) and what did I discover? And gone and the swril of the third cylinder, what would you recommend for me? Elimimino the swril remaining or purchase a new manifold????
Help Help!!!!