In that sense, I do not understand.
In that sense, I do not understand.
in the sense that as you rightly said lukemon it takes energy to produce the hydrogen to put in the tank, so at the end if the machine "you seem to be free" the trsformazione of water to hydrogen is not it ?, and therefore you lose the benefit.Originally Written by Dragonfly
And who is talking about perpetual motion? The energy of the zero point, you know what?? Do you know from where you get the surplus energy of cold fusion? Does not violate any principle of thermodynamics, if you accept that we do not live in AN ISOLATED SYSTEM, and if the energy is drawn from the outside.
It is true that the oxyhydrogen pu? create cracks in the aluminum, but also in the cast, and for this it is advisable to deal with products, ptfe (teflon), and the motor. With regard to these pseudo-engineers of which you speak, I don't think that was so? professional if they calculated the thermal drift of the cell: they will put too much electrolyte, and the cell had a chain reaction in which pi? the cell is heated, pi? increased its conductivity?, and then the increased flow of current heated the further the electrolyte. If you don't have electronics on board that limits the current, at least go easy on the sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda) or NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate)
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We do not pull out the birth of the universe etc etc, the energy of the zero point has nothing to do with the present world and still ? the form of the idea, that cold fusion does not work at the moment (I have watched with interest the old ITER project from when they started to talk about it). We pull out topics that are not related.
Here we talk about the efficiency of a complex electrolytic cell - engine combusitone internal. I believe that the only advantages that may be from the contribution of hho to the engine are optimization of combustion, but let me doubt that thing can change in a motor 2L, the contribution of 1L/m hho.
The main issue ? the alternator avr? a dispersion of energy (in the form of mechanical - see the belt and the pulley - and form into electrical energy);
the electrical cables, they shall be separated;
the electrolytic cell is not the avr? performance unit.
At the end from my point of view already? to pay back what you spent (in terms of improving the efficiency of the engine) will be? hard.
Another matter if the purpose of this system ? for reasons of pollution (which would have to be checked).
PS: The chapter plants to natural gas - lpg on-ignition engines compression-let's talk about it in another discussion, they are completely different from cells and hydrogen, and they, too, have a lot of current relevance
Guys, even if they are neoiscritto to the forum, something about the hho I know, I can help myself to do a little bit of clarity on key concepts that have been already? mentioned a little bit from everyone.
The oxyhydrogen gas (water) acts primarily as an accelerator and optimizer of combustion. Made tangible ? that the unburned gases are DRASTICALLY brought down when you install a generator, even by only 1-1,5 liters per minute of gas.
Then, if ? true that nothing is created and nothing is destroyed, and that, therefore, how much energy you expend (through the alternator and generating a higher resistance on its axis) so you'll find yourself in the chemical energy of the gas, less the losses due to the heat generated by the cell; but ? also true that we must not forget that our cars do not convert the chemical energy of fuel into mechanical energy at the wheels with a good efficiency, but can barely get close to 20%. A large part ? dissipated as heat (in fact, we have the radiator), then there are the various frictions, etc.,
The injection of oxyhydrogen allows a pi? complete combustion in the combustion chamber, and then is transformed to pi? chemical energy of fuel into mechanical energy at the wheels, and the game is worth the candle.
Then, the ECU intervenes to frustrate all, reading (from lambda) that the mixture ? lean (given that the discharge law, a higher percentage of oxygen), and then injects a quantity? increased fuel economy.
Why you "scam" by inserting spacers on the probe, lambda, or modules on the mass air flow sensor that always have the same purpose to make believe to the ecu that the mixture is rich enough.
The one that made him see Cricket was not a car on water, but the internal combustion engine, traditional, powered by cylinders of hydrogen in the combustion is generated as a by-product water. There remained the problem of how to fill those cylinders of hydrogen, and on their ability? in safety. If to fill them uses an electrolytic dissociation occurs by means of generators that work with traditional fuels, you have only moved the problem (? you can make them in a manner that optimizes the return on the generators).
Last edited by msport (exil77grande); 28-05-2013 at 09:38
1.5 l are very related... at that temperature, pressure?
a 1.91 l of displacement "consumes" 3850l/m *4000rpm, also 5l are few in comparison... I think that all of the savings is given by the deception to the mass air flow sensor...
I say to you, my: some time ago installammo a kit hho on a volvo fh 16 to perform a test by two engineers(improvised in my opinion) that according to their calculations needed to obtain a saving of about 20% of fuel. The first trip, the driver has reported an increase in consumption of about 5%, after a fortnight the stops the engine because of the cells that you are dissolved, and the engine began to suck up water. It's almost finished barrel between the owner of the company, and the two engineers.
For m? hho cells are only a hoax. Then I would like to see in the long run also the damage they can cause. If I remember correctly the hydrogen with aluminium reacts and weakens it, so I don't know up to that point, the pistons could hold.
very interesting story... that two people speak of saving 20% describing themselves as "engineers" ? an insult to the category!
just a few months ago, I have been interested in these cells, informing me left and right, as each what were the pros and cons, then I pick up the phone name is one of the largest distributors of qst tools and put the cards on the table, I tell him that I am interested in mounting these devices in quantity? industrial, provided that:
1 - give me the exclusive area
2 - do not sell smoke
I replied that those who had currently had recently discovered, which would produce little ( I listed a whole series of parameters), but with the universit? torino were studying the new cells that avrebber? the product of pi?, for? these that already? sold cost about€ 200, the ones that he was studying in collaboration with the united sarebber? cost about 1000€....instead, I heard on the radio in my area are installing systems to methane on the diesel car, does anyone know how they work?
As far as I know, the diesel car with a cng system, unlike a car, gasoline and lpg/cng, are filled with methane, do not switch completely to gaseous fuel.
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