I open this discussion in the survey since? I had the opportunity? see and try a mazda 5 transformed recently, the owner of the car in addition has given me information that I personally nn convince much since? are theoretically incompatible with what I have acquired a couple of years ago, some of you have had experiences about..anyway I approfondir? + this topic that could be interesting and with a lot of opportunities
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Good topic !!
According to my experience, what you see in the network and so far I have tried ? somewhat undersized for the real request by a diesel engine. In any case, building a super cell I can not understand from the point of view of energy, where it can be the fuel savings why? so much ? the current required to produce the HHO ( and to make it the alternator burns diesel in + ) to the final product ( HHO ) put back into the cycle does not succeed? never even reach the break-even point ( which would encourage at least the gain performance of the car )..
however, I am open and willing to change my mind in front of arguments mathematically and consistently supported .
I have in-depth speech and energetically speaking, the budget does not ? for nothing in favour of saving... for now we are very far from a solution that can affrancarci on fossil fuels, the production of oxyhydrogen with that type of cells ? a trivial than the energy it takes to produce it... the increases in performance for me are null and void, except that you can inject a large quantity? HHO... then in that case the address changes...
I agree with both of you, and may I add that according to me the only benefit that can? be pu? result from an optimization of the combustion, but it seems to me absurd that we face to save fuel at the end... the 2? the principle teaches!
Yes, they say that on some cars that drive has been installed and are able to do 3-4 km litre, with a charge for fitting around 600 euros without form maf/pdf,
I still don't trust it,
According to my humble opinion, little is gained....we should work on biodiesel but it is not for the usual suspects...do you remember the Italian's declared? to extract the fuel from the garbage???they wanted to do outside..now you know where ??? in switzerland and st? working in total darkness? protected by the swiss government...
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there are systems that create hydrocarbons from recycled plastic the ? been forbidden to use the fuel even within their company.. I have seen a service time f? in the tv... the solution c'? but not to be? never out of...
if you're referring to that self-styled engineer who is now working to cold fusion, know that the whole quellimmondizia who wanted to turn in hydrocarbons storage cupboard' just in different companies, warehouses and yards disused and now it seems to still be full.. and without concluding anything as fact by' always blame others for the failures..Originally Written by tezzero
however, the checker on the mass air flow sensor to install on the car with hho ? a simple variable resistor to 1k, which serves to attenuate the signal sent to the ecu box? face to inject less fuel, and then lean .. so much so that that is less from the diesel, in the intentions of those who sell and made from the mixture of oxyhydrogen.
I repeat that imho ? a pure rather that, since the cost does not recover anything, but only smenarci money.
Do you remember Cricket?? He did see on TV, an engineer with an old fiat 850 (to understand the minibus of the sisters) that went to the water!!!
In fact, you put it near the exhaust and breathing, said: People that's what I'm breathing in the exhaust pipe is water vapor!!!
After the transmission was not able to more' nothing, all gone !!! The oil is a nasty beast !!!
Guys, even if they are neoiscritto to the forum, something about the hho I know, I can help myself to do a little bit of clarity on key concepts that have been already? mentioned a little bit from everyone.
The oxyhydrogen gas (water) acts primarily as an accelerator and optimizer of combustion. Made tangible ? that the unburned gases are DRASTICALLY brought down when you install a generator, even by only 1-1,5 liters per minute of gas.
Then, if ? true that nothing is created and nothing is destroyed, and that, therefore, how much energy you expend (through the alternator and generating a higher resistance on its axis) so you'll find yourself in the chemical energy of the gas, less the losses due to the heat generated by the cell; but ? also true that we must not forget that our cars do not convert the chemical energy of fuel into mechanical energy at the wheels with a good efficiency, but can barely get close to 20%. A large part ? dissipated as heat (in fact, we have the radiator), then there are the various frictions, etc.,
The injection of oxyhydrogen allows a pi? complete combustion in the combustion chamber, and then is transformed to pi? chemical energy of fuel into mechanical energy at the wheels, and the game is worth the candle.
Then, the ECU intervenes to frustrate all, reading (from lambda) that the mixture ? lean (given that the discharge law, a higher percentage of oxygen), and then injects a quantity? increased fuel economy.
Why you "scam" by inserting spacers on the probe, lambda, or modules on the mass air flow sensor that always have the same purpose to make believe to the ecu that the mixture is rich enough.
The one that made him see Cricket was not a car on water, but the internal combustion engine, traditional, powered by cylinders of hydrogen in the combustion is generated as a by-product water. There remained the problem of how to fill those cylinders of hydrogen, and on their ability? in safety. If to fill them uses an electrolytic dissociation occurs by means of generators that work with traditional fuels, you have only moved the problem (? you can make them in a manner that optimizes the return on the generators).
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