tips for a neophyte....edc15 16 and 17.

[Pasticciona0]

Good morning to all...first of all, I thank in advance who will have the patience to help me, and I hope not to be wrong section...... I am very happy to receive corrections, in the case of nonsense ....so...I approached to the world of ecus, the very...at the moment are armed only with titanium, but are still in doubt as to which interface to buy...and here begins my "???" ... I have a alfa 156 1.9 jtd 115hp 2004 and I wanted to start playing with this... should have a edc15...if I understand it these can only be read from and written to a serial port (via port OBD2).....

first question: what is the best interface for working safely with these units?

second doubt: I know that for the edc15 is necessary to correct the cks (checksum) while the edc16 and 17 correct it automatically ....I can do this with titanium, or is there a separate program?

third doubt: what it means to work in boot tricore?

the fourth doubt: surfing and searching of the various interfaces and trying to assess which one was the best I have noticed that many of these (a, for example, the kess V2) a marked list of cars, all of them (but all those listed) are fuelled by diesel....for what reason? at this point I wonder, if there is a difference between ecus for diesel and gasoline....I know that someone will be laughing but you just are not able to get there alone....

for the moment I will stop here....

a greeting to all!

[sportknight]

Good morning to all...first of all, I thank in advance who will have the patience to help me, and I hope not to be wrong section...... I am very happy to receive corrections, in the case of nonsense ....so...I approached to the world of ecus, the very...at the moment are armed only with titanium, but are still in doubt as to which interface to buy...and here begins my "???" ... I have a alfa 156 1.9 jtd 115hp 2004 and I wanted to start playing with this... should have a edc15...if I understand it these can only be read from and written to a serial port (via port OBD2).....


first question: what is the best interface for working safely with these units?

this you can do it virtually with all the programmers, but if you want a programmer to spend a little and do a little bit of everything take a cock v54 good quality

second doubt: I know that for the edc15 is necessary to correct the cks (checksum) while the edc16 and 17 correct it automatically ....I can do this with titanium, or is there a separate program?

titanium corrects quietly most of the edc15,16 are corrected by the programmer,the 17 some

third doubt: what it means to work in boot tricore?

It is a mode in which you have to open the ecu and make connections on the pcb
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the fourth doubt: surfing and searching of the various interfaces and trying to assess which one was the best I have noticed that many of these (a, for example, the kess V2) a marked list of cars, all of them (but all those listed) are fuelled by diesel....for what reason? at this point I wonder, if there is a difference between ecus for diesel and gasoline....I know that someone will be laughing but you just are not able to get there alone....

for the moment I will stop here....

there are also petrol cars but the diesel ones are more present on the market

a greeting to all!

[Pasticciona0]

[QUOTE=sportknight;115230]this can make it practically with all the programmers, but if you want a programmer to spend a little and do a little bit of everything take a cock v54 good quality

thanks a lot council

titanium corrects quietly most of the edc15,16 are corrected by the programmer,the 17 some

behold, here I do not quite understand...the programmer what it is? but the edc16 not make it automatic? the 17, I already understood that it is a casino....I will come near very cautiously...

It is a mode in which you have to open the ecu and make connections on the pcb

that is, it would be like to work in bdm?

the fourth doubt: surfing and searching of the various interfaces and trying to assess which one was the best I have noticed that many of these (a, for example, the kess V2) a marked list of cars, all of them (but all those listed) are fuelled by diesel....for what reason? at this point I wonder, if there is a difference between ecus for diesel and gasoline....I know that someone will be laughing but you just are not able to get there alone....

for the moment I will stop here....

you but since you listed only diesel cars I was wondering if the car petrol to go made with something specific or not....

Thanks sportknight....

[sportknight]

I did a bit of csino with the quote but you understand more or less

[Pasticciona0]

mizzica what a mess I made..excuse me..I have yet to figure out how to reply quoting....

[munro]

hello messy.....
I say to you...a programmer is the interface that connects to the serial socket of the car or an obd to your laptop pc to program a ecu....sat do for the moment, only your edc15 I will recommend you a mpps v12 with very little spending you are quiet on these ecu's...
mpps on the edc16gruppo vag and fiat should be the correction automatic the checksum in writing....each time you modify a file, even it is only a single bit, the checksum should always be the correct software or programming/editing, or to and from the interface/programmer...
the boot tricore,bdm,jtag, boot mode mode read and write of the ecu "bench" that is, with the same disassembled from the vehicle and andadosi to only connect on the pcb in the case of the bdm...
at tricore we are going to always connect on the pcb even with the addition of suitable resistances at times, but here there is the addition of the go and also connect via pinout of the ecu...not in all cases depend on the ecu to the ecu....
basically from serial "ask permission" to the ecu to give us the data we need...
seated position via the pcb and the pinout is "command" to the ecu to give us what we need...
I hope you all clear...
P. S:it is a pleasure to have a woman in the midst of so many heads of chip....
a feminine touch, we want to always and everywhere....

[Pasticciona0]

hello messy.....
I say to you...a programmer is the interface that connects to the serial socket of the car or an obd to your laptop pc to program a ecu....sat do for the moment, only your edc15 I will recommend you a mpps v12 with very little spending you are quiet on these ecu's...
mpps on the edc16gruppo vag and fiat should be the correction automatic the checksum in writing....each time you modify a file, even it is only a single bit, the checksum should always be the correct software or programming/editing, or to and from the interface/programmer...

Perfect! but the correction of cks on edc15 with mpps'll have to give me the command or does it by itself when I go to save?..... the problem is that I have not yet bought any interface and therefore I know something of the theory but the practice is soooo much more effective....I'm studying like a mad...but some things are still distant, and then I need you that you know longer than me....

the boot tricore,bdm,jtag, boot mode mode read and write of the ecu "bench" that is, with the same disassembled from the vehicle and andadosi to only connect on the pcb in the case of the bdm...

what is a pcb? about bdm: I was told that with a cock I can work also in the bdm...is it true? so if I buy the rooster, in theory, can I do less than mpps and a bdm100? because if I can have a single interface that allows me to do everything and is reliable of course it is better, instead of having multiple interfaces...then, surely, with the advance of my knowledge and ability I'd take things more specific if needed...

at tricore we are going to always connect on the pcb even with the addition of suitable resistances at times, but here there is the addition of the go and also connect via pinout of the ecu...not in all cases depend on the ecu to the ecu....

here, here for the moment I enter, it is still Arabic for me!

basically from serial "ask permission" to the ecu to give us the data we need...
seated position via the pcb and the pinout is "command" to the ecu to give us what we need...
I hope you all clear...

ok, all clear! but the serial port as I understand is more "dangerous" because there may be problems in writing, by blocking the ECU, and the reading is not complete...right? while in bdm, I have access to full information, and then if I do a backup I should not have problems of any kind (because if it happened never something I'm going to write to the file ori and everything is in place.... while a backup from the serial is incomplete (and I don't really understand why )....right?

P. S:it is a pleasure to have a woman in the midst of so many heads of chip....
a feminine touch, we want to always and everywhere....

thank you!

[munro]

ok..question n°1:on edc15 ne mpps in the cock do fix the checksum write the right make sure you get you..with mpps, there is the possibility to do so until you write the file in the ecu, but if you edit the file with titanium, this you corrects it always is, however, an automatic cks then you can be quiet..
domandan°2: the pcb is the printed board of the printed ecu where you can find all components soldered on when you open it to be able to read write in any mode....
with the galletto v53/54 and its predecessors, you can actually have both the possibility of programazzione serial via pcb with a single tool without buying many interfaces...I will anyway if I can afford to go to open ecu and read it/write it with a clone just I never heard of it..then everyone does as he sees fit...
question n°3:what you say is all right except for the fact that serial only read data from the eprom I have a part of them in the bdm, for example, you can read the eprom and the micro the e2p individually or all three...know, however, that, for example, the bosch edc15 you can not do them in the bdm via pcb in the case of block error, etc...if you lock an ecu of this you have to open the ecu, desolder the eprom to read it with an eprom programmer type willem upa etc, and then resolder the eprom and close everything...therefore, I would say that for the beginning an mpps will be more than good, even given the cost...now they are 20 euros while for a rooster, discreet and friendly you have to spend at least 100 and still not have the ability to restore your edc15 in any way..

[Pasticciona0]

ok..question n°1:on edc15 ne mpps in the cock do fix the checksum write the right make sure you get you..with mpps, there is the possibility to do so until you write the file in the ecu, but if you edit the file with titanium, this you corrects it always is, however, an automatic cks then you can be quiet..

thank you very much, you clarified my doubt is in any way exhaustive!!

domandan°2: the pcb is the printed board of the printed ecu where you can find all components soldered on when you open it to be able to read write in any mode....
with the galletto v53/54 and its predecessors, you can actually have both the possibility of programazzione serial via pcb with a single tool without buying many interfaces...I will anyway if I can afford to go to open ecu and read it/write it with a clone just I never heard of it..then everyone does as he sees fit...

and also here I thank you for the advice, they are precious when you are starting...

question n°3:what you say is all right except for the fact that serial only read data from the eprom I have a part of them in the bdm, for example, you can read the eprom and the micro the e2p individually or all three...know, however, that, for example, the bosch edc15 you can not do them in the bdm via pcb in the case of block error, etc...if you lock an ecu of this you have to open the ecu, desolder the eprom to read it with an eprom programmer type willem upa etc, and then resolder the eprom and close everything...therefore, I would say that for the beginning an mpps will be more than good, even given the cost...now they are 20 euros while for a rooster, discreet and friendly you have to spend at least 100 and still not have the ability to restore your edc15 in any way..

You've been very kind, I am going to purchase mpps, and I'll do a bit of practice...
but e2p would be the eeprom?
listen, since I can't find the answer anywhere and by anyone you by chance could you give me answer about my doubt n°4 ?

I'm really grateful for the help given...

[munro]

the e2p is the eeprom....
I'm sorry, clumsy rinfrescami the memory...what was the doubt n°4?
P. S:you have nothing to thank me we are in the forum just for help....I like it since when I can...don't worry about anything..