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    THE AVERAGE USER
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    edit limiter, smoke - threshold lambda alfa 159 1.9 150cv 16v

    Hi guys,
    I already have a mappetta that goes pretty good on my alfa 159 1.9 16v 150cv. The only mechanical change made was the elimination of the DPF with a straight pipe. Then are disabled in the regeneration and closed the EGR. For the rest it is a map that is not extreme.
    What I have read and re-read in the posts is the modification of the limiters of smoke(lambda) in my map are original. I have read that by changing these values, the machine goes better bass etc etc and since that is very slow between 1000 and 2000 rpm (I think it is due to the absence of the dpf and the fact that the swirl have been blocked) I would like to improve the situation.
    I use ECM TITANIUM, and these maps (2) the call limiter smoke - threshold lambda and upper threshold lambda, lower.
    I honestly do not know how to edit...I have read that some have made reference to 1 (is right with the dpf deleted?) but I don't know for all practical purposes as you do. Unfortunately I can not view the maps of others, otherwise I'd not be disturbed.
    Some pious soul, I would post a photo example ? I do not pretend to who knows who...right to modify these parameters to make the car go better .
    thanks a lot in advance

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    I move the discussion in the section most appropriate for the rest I can tell you that based on what you want to achieve you these are not the maps, where to intervene and at the moment I advise you to leave the original,also not yet having the necessary requirements, any image you can view, but if you want to understand more, begin to attach your file ori and mod and so someone can give you some advice to improve the map and maybe solve your problem.
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    Citazione Originally Written by msport (exil77grande) Visualizza Messaggio
    I move the discussion in the section most appropriate for the rest I can tell you that based on what you want to achieve you these are not the maps, where to intervene and at the moment I advise you to leave the original,also not yet having the necessary requirements, any image you can view, but if you want to understand more, begin to attach your file ori and mod and so someone can give you some advice to improve the map and maybe solve your problem.
    here are the maps.
    since the maps smoke does not serve to improve the responsiveness at the low , then what are they for?
    thanks
    Last edited by msport (exil77grande); 14-10-2016 to 17:05

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    I hope someone can give me a hand and understand where to improve ! I anyway, I did research on the forum and some say that vary the values of the maps that smoking affects performance...boooo
    ps. if you notice the torque limiter was a little bit strange is because between 1750 2750 rpm, the clutch slips a bit...
    I don't know if at the end of the slip clutch is caused by other factors!

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    Citazione Originally Written by maxgen Visualizza Messaggio
    I hope someone can give me a hand and understand where to improve ! I anyway, I did research on the forum and some say that vary the values of the maps that smoking affects performance...boooo
    ps. if you notice the torque limiter was a little bit strange is because between 1750 2750 rpm, the clutch slips a bit...
    I don't know if at the end of the slip clutch is caused by other factors!
    well, if you already have the clutch slipping, if you want to more readiness to the pedal first, change it, because according to me to begin with are precisely the maps pedal you hurt you have given little increase in low rpm and low percentages, and have increased from 5000rpm up that serves no purpose and, consequently, to adapt the lim to the couple to request that you make to the pedal. Torque for first and second gear the liberals as the other gears. The q.s fuel injected has been calculated to 100 mm3 and then you can put it back golds because you have not raised the lim iq out of the driver. turbo you can go up to 150 points. variable geometry as you made it does nothing.
    from 1E3198 there are 4 maps 25x1 that you have put to zero (also a BP you reset from 25 to 0 replace it) that I would like to know what they mean (they are not the panettone egr)

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    Citazione Originally Written by Errecinque Visualizza Messaggio
    well, if you already have the clutch slipping, if you want to more readiness to the pedal first, change it, because according to me to begin with are precisely the maps pedal you hurt you have given little increase in low rpm and low percentages, and have increased from 5000rpm up that serves no purpose and, consequently, to adapt the lim to the couple to request that you make to the pedal. Torque for first and second gear the liberals as the other gears. The q.s fuel injected has been calculated to 100 mm3 and then you can put it back golds because you have not raised the lim iq out of the driver. turbo you can go up to 150 points. variable geometry as you made it does nothing.
    from 1E3198 there are 4 maps 25x1 that you have put to zero (also a BP you reset from 25 to 0 replace it) that I would like to know what they mean (they are not the panettone egr)

    Always, with due humility, is my thought
    innanzer itutto thank you for lost time in the view of my map.
    so..since I use ecm titanium for maps pedal you mean the item called "torque request during standard conditions and "required torque to the functionality sports A and B"?
    found this have said that they are badly made perchèho given a few increments at low speed and low percentages...but reading a little everywhere, everyone is saying that at low revs you should not overdo it with the increases..in any case, with that logic you alzeresti values? for example...(speaking in percentage) alzeresti type a 2000 rpm 20% and aumenteresti then gradually?
    then as you adjust the torque limiter in these maps the pedal?
    for example, if 2500giri there is an increase of 6.5 %, even in the maps on the pedal I have to increase 6.5% and constantly for the entire row?
    couple the first and second gear ok
    the amount of fuel does not go well as it was increased?and what address do I find the lim iq out of the driver?and how should I increase it?
    the variable geometry it is better to keep the original?I had it raised just a peletto thinking about giving a small improvement
    regarding the other maps I don't know, not even I because I had seen the map a guy that works at the alpha and it has changed him.
    thanks

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    Citazione Originally Written by maxgen Visualizza Messaggio
    innanzer itutto thank you for lost time in the view of my map.
    so..since I use ecm titanium for maps pedal you mean the item called "torque request during standard conditions and "required torque to the functionality sports A and B"?
    found this have said that they are badly made perchèho given a few increments at low speed and low percentages...but reading a little everywhere, everyone is saying that at low revs you should not overdo it with the increases..in any case, with that logic you alzeresti values? for example...(speaking in percentage) alzeresti type a 2000 rpm 20% and aumenteresti then gradually?
    then as you adjust the torque limiter in these maps the pedal?
    for example, if 2500giri there is an increase of 6.5 %, even in the maps on the pedal I have to increase 6.5% and constantly for the entire row?
    couple the first and second gear ok
    the amount of fuel does not go well as it was increased?and what address do I find the lim iq out of the driver?and how should I increase it?
    the variable geometry it is better to keep the original?I had it raised just a peletto thinking about giving a small improvement
    regarding the other maps I don't know, not even I because I had seen the map a guy that works at the alpha and it has changed him.
    thanks
    Do not increase low rpm is true,but thou hast increased from 400 rpm....
    If you like the pedal is sensitive, you have to start from 1000/1500 and 10% of the pedal. Obvious not to overdo it and going in crescendo until 100% where to put everything to the max value of the pair that you want to ask. The torque limiter of the ****** from 2000-2500. If I have a problem of slippage then I change the ones for gear. And still have to be made many trials to find the right feeling that you like it

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    THE AVERAGE USER
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    Ok, thanks.
    Just to better understand the values, correct to map the pedal...
    First of all the corresponding maps on the vein titanium are the ones mentioned in the previous post?
    In addition, starting from 10% of the pedal and 1000/1500giri with what increments should I exactly start? Type for esempiodal 12% and up to 25%? About the torque limiter, I don't understand. Thanks a lot

    I forgot another thing... The fact that between 1000 and 1800 rpm or so, the machine is dead may depend on the fact that the map is too fat in that range, and then sinking the accelerator tends to hesitate? Is a line of reasoning is typical when you map the ecu of the bike. I don't know if also applies to the machines. For this I thought you were to change the map with the lambda top and bottom (so called with ecm titanium). In any case, what are these maps and how they change? The fact of not having the Dpf is physically and electronically, seems to me to have a connection with them.
    Last edited by msport (exil77grande); 14-10-2016 to 17:16

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    THE AVERAGE USER L'avatar di Errecinque
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    The maps lambda need to be able to keep the afr in the various steps.

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    And they should not touch them? And the rest of my questions? :-)

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