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    Citazione Originally Written by jacktheripper2 Visualizza Messaggio
    I'm sorry but I do not agree. First of all raise the rail to 1750 bar, especially on standard maps, I find it to be only harmful to the pump and the injectors.
    Second, the advances, if you know what you are doing, you can make completely, the engine will clearly improve in reattivit? and consumption.
    Sorry, but harmful x what? If the high pressure pump has an operating range of up to 1800bar why? it should break? The same goes for the injectors.

    Chiaritemi a doubt...but what are the advances? What are they for?

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    Citazione Originally Written by jacktheripper2 Visualizza Messaggio
    Raising the rail to only change the injection time which is shortened a bit. But everything else remains exactly the same.
    Also the amount? of fuel and other things. This from the edc16.

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    Citazione Originally Written by SandroMarciano Visualizza Messaggio
    The control unit does not autoadatta at all, changing the rail pressure varies that and that's it. The edc16c39, among other things, autoadatta only with respect to lambda, in particular, to match the data detected by the mass air flow sensor with those of the lambda.
    Then you should anticipate only at 3000rpm? According to what rule?
    I always argue that it anticipates where it is needed, that is to say, adjust the injection in order to have a balance between the pressures in the chamber and exhaust temperatures so as to take better advantage of the engine.
    it will only fit on the lambda...and you said nothing! what is this adaptation? which parameters change in the regular course of the lambda?

    ...? clear that it anticipates where you need it! That means the pressure in the room? ....the exhaust temperature ? definitely involved with the change in advance...but it anticipates for other reasons...for problems that begin a regimen of about 3000giri, in relation to the quantity? of diesel fuel(for example). Returning to the variation of the temperature in relation to a variation of the step...not to confuse the diesel with the petrol.

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    Citazione Originally Written by easter Visualizza Messaggio
    Also the amount? of fuel and other things. This from the edc16.
    reading your responses, including the following in your message that you quoted, I know that something don't you ? clear. First of all, raising the pressure of fuel does not increase the amount? diesel fuel is injected, because it decreases the time of injection and the quantity? diesel fuel therefore remains unchanged, we are not talking about an add-on module that tricks the pressure sensor diesel, and then the ecu unconsciously alzer? the pressure of fuel without then abbasssare the time of the injection, and then, in that case, the amount? of diesel fuel increases.
    The advance is given to keep egt are not too high, however, and to make better use of the surplus of diesel injected.
    The pressure in the chamber ? the pressure that is created in the combustion chamber for each cycle of the engine, and this ? very much influenced by the advance used, by the pressure from the turbo and from the amount? diesel fuel is injected.

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    Citazione Originally Written by easter Visualizza Messaggio
    Sorry, but harmful x what? If the high pressure pump has an operating range of up to 1800bar why? it should break? The same goes for the injectors.

    Chiaritemi a doubt...but what are the advances? What are they for?
    If you think it is healthy to work the fuel pump, the component is very delicate, close to its limit you to continue with your theory.
    The advances are the angle of start of injection with respect to the pms anyway.

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    Citazione Originally Written by easter Visualizza Messaggio
    Sorry, but harmful x what? If the high pressure pump has an operating range of up to 1800bar why? it should break? The same goes for the injectors.

    Chiaritemi a doubt...but what are the advances? What are they for?
    the hp pump has specific and up to 1800, but it surely increases a lot of wear to the pressures that you speak of. Together they will also increase the inefficiencies, and thus the power consumption, so that pressure ? inevitable work with l? where the injection time becomes too long, but this one has with maps and thrusts and components are often increased (especially TC).

    Citazione Originally Written by easter Visualizza Messaggio
    Also the amount? of fuel and other things. This from the edc16.
    absolutely no, by changing the p.rail only changes the pressure, and then the ecu uses a longer time? short to inject the same fuel.

    Citazione Originally Written by easter Visualizza Messaggio
    it will only fit on the lambda...and you said nothing! what is this adaptation? which parameters change in the regular course of the lambda?

    ...? clear that it anticipates where you need it! That means the pressure in the room? ....the exhaust temperature ? definitely involved with the change in advance...but it anticipates for other reasons...for problems that begin a regimen of about 3000giri, in relation to the quantity? of diesel fuel(for example). Returning to the variation of the temperature in relation to a variation of the step...not to confuse the diesel with the petrol.
    1 - the lambda is autoadatta to have values that are coincident between mass air flow sensor and oxygen remaining in the exhaust gas, then ? an adjustment that depends on the component, from its internal features, it does not vary by changing the map, in fact, that procedure must be done if you replace the mass air flow sensor or lambda probe.

    2 - pressure in the room means the maximum pressure reached in the combustion chamber, which allows one to move the piston.

    3 - why you should anticipate only from 3000rpm?

    4 - the temperature in the room (along with the pressures) are also a problem of diesel engines with high specific power.

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    Citazione Originally Written by jacktheripper2 Visualizza Messaggio
    If you think it is healthy to work the fuel pump, the component is very delicate, close to its limit you to continue with your theory.
    The advances are the angle of start of injection with respect to the pms anyway.
    ok jack, but the pump ? connected to the belt run? always at the top. Then with the regulator we choose how to use them, don't you think? That's why? you can't? break.

    For down payments....I was rhetoric

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    according to me to omit the speech pressure, let me explain better... if the pump works to 1400 bar, the regulator opens that much needed x take the pressure required ( and therefore the internal components must withstand those pressures) but if we bring it to 1600 ( random numbers) don't you think that the wear and tear of the components is greater???? of course all of this ? my thought

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    hello Ela, your speech ? logical, but if I have a pump that I sold with operating characteristics to 1600bar why? it should break? Understand my speech? It would be like saying that your car has an engine that can? turn 4500g/m ,but you do turn up to 3000 if you do not wear before. At that point, made a panda! haha

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    and you, too, have reason for? a drive must always be at 4500 revolutions according to me, durer? less of a seal of 3000 ( such as wear and tear of the mechanical parts that must withstand stress) then ? obvious that each follows its own logic

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