hydrogen generator on diesel vehicles

[SandroMarciano]

And who is talking about perpetual motion? The energy of the zero point, you know what?? Do you know from where you get the surplus energy of cold fusion? Does not violate any principle of thermodynamics, if you accept that we do not live in AN ISOLATED SYSTEM, and if the energy is drawn from the outside.
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We do not pull out the birth of the universe etc etc, the energy of the zero point has nothing to do with the present world and still ? the form of the idea, that cold fusion does not work at the moment (I have watched with interest the old ITER project from when they started to talk about it). We pull out topics that are not related.

Here we talk about the efficiency of a complex electrolytic cell - engine combusitone internal. I believe that the only advantages that may be from the contribution of hho to the engine are optimization of combustion, but let me doubt that thing can change in a motor 2L, the contribution of 1L/m hho.
The main issue ? the alternator avr? a dispersion of energy (in the form of mechanical - see the belt and the pulley - and form into electrical energy);
the electrical cables, they shall be separated;
the electrolytic cell is not the avr? performance unit.
At the end from my point of view already? to pay back what you spent (in terms of improving the efficiency of the engine) will be? hard.

Another matter if the purpose of this system ? for reasons of pollution (which would have to be checked).

PS: The chapter plants to natural gas - lpg on-ignition engines compression-let's talk about it in another discussion, they are completely different from cells and hydrogen, and they, too, have a lot of current relevance

[giarras]

I opened this post x to know your impressions about it, I agree with our friend sandromarciano, although I must say that already? in 1908 was filed for a patent in the u.s.a. with the principles of the current cells that are placed on the market in this period and especially in the areas of bergamo, many do not know that a couple of years ago fiat was testing a fiat multipla to methane and hydrogen, and given that everything is svogleva in the centre for studies piaggio I had the chance? both see that to follow the results,I must say that in my opinion were very satisfactory...but the project was shelved somewhere? x which is why, like that of a bmw or genepax anyway, in the meantime, in germany the bus internal to some airports continue to be fed with this principle, but also generators that are not those proposed in the network ,that said, going back to the mazda, which I recently had the opportunity to see and st? turning in my part, I can say that these kits sold for the purpose of reducing the consumption nn are in the truth? and ? as it says in our friend sandro.

[lukemon79]

The council sandromarciano and to those who want to study in detail about the alternative energy (I don't think I violate the rules by doing there?, given that not ? a forum "competitor") to give you a look at the site (or better: to the forum) www.energeticambiente.it
The question is not ? cos? trivial, why? from the experimental data shows that the fuel savings of c'? and not ? the placebo effect (you know you have the plant, and then press the less the throttle), even if the gas ? little, doesn't it ? uninfluential.
The proof of it ? the nissan, in collaboration with marangoni, has made a version of the 370z, which adopts a system of oxyhydrogen gas, to reduce pollutants and fuel consumption.

[SandroMarciano]

no offense, but I know the alternative energy, I studied the texts which were based on objective data, this has led me to draw the above conclusions. The 370z hydro I've heard of it, but I have also read that ? been prepared ****llo motoring from Marian, and this ? the first fact that makes me tremble...

[dvdtuning]

Guys I can tell you that the company I work with daily, that has a lot of experience in the racing sector, and preparations began to mount these kits after having tried for about 4 months on two different cars of their properties?: Grande punto abarth and bwm 320d 177cv. The fuel consumption are evident, as are decremented on some parameters of diesel/gasoline in the mapping, on the diesel it is around 30% on petrol at 20%. Used cars for testing, and then also rolled in the bench to see loss of power, etc.? come to have the same power source consuming as gi? said.

[lukemon79]

Well, dvdtuning. Give us more information, which we are interested. Are of the dry cell? There are modules for "fool" the lambda probes? PWM to modulate the power supply of the electrolytic cell?

[CarloAV]

Interesting discourse. I'm building one complete with the dry cell is made in house. This hobby and curiosity? but I assure you that the production of hydrogen, gi? head to the bench with a transformer, requires, as said by some users, too much current in comparison to the hydrogen product. In substance it is not expedient to produce it. It is necessary to say that then drive the alternator runs not only to the gasoline burned but also for the various forces in play (rotation, deceleration, etc.), then not all of the energy to produce the hydrogen comes from the gasoline.

[lukemon79]

Excellent observation! Right? the problem ? the oxyhydrogen you can't? preserve, and produce it when the car is decelerating or braking ? pretty useless... No?

[Franky Sbrock]

Buond? to all of you.
In regard to the plants HHO, I been reading up some time ago in going to your same conclusions, the cio? to produce this hydrogen gas had to be, in any case, consume electrical energy to bring about the electrolysis of water.
I remember that somewhere I even read of an explosion of one of these devices, caused by a loss of gas (HHO), which came into contact with the power supply of the device itself. (The hydrogen ? difficult to store, and it also has the bad habit of being easy to explosions.)
If, instead, we thought of producing hydrogen through a chemical process is electrolysis?
Carry-over cos? from a reading on a forum:
"Without having to do the electrolysis of water, which requires electricity, can you? get hydrogen gas from the reaction of aluminum placed in an aqueous solution of caustic soda.
The aluminum can? to recover from the cans, while the caustic soda, or sodium hydroxide, can be found in supermarkets around 1 euro / Kg.
We should be careful not to develop the reaction, so dizzying.
The hydrogen produced ? a fuel such as methane, which can? burn in contact with air in a simple Beak of a Bunsen burner.
The hydrogen ? dangerous, but if we produce it at need, without accumularlo in airtight containers, there are dangers."
Source: http://terraevita.forumfree.it/?t=57521681

My idea would be to produce the hydrogen by this reaction, a small system can be mounted to the edge of the car and managed electronically.
Now I don't know how much hydrogen yield with a given quantity? of caustic soda, and then not know how to assess the actual gains or avoiding of the reaction.
Greetings.

[crteam]

Guys I can tell you that the company I work with daily, that has a lot of experience in the racing sector, and preparations began to mount these kits after having tried for about 4 months on two different cars of their properties?: Grande punto abarth and bwm 320d 177cv. The fuel consumption are evident, as are decremented on some parameters of diesel/gasoline in the mapping, on the diesel it is around 30% on petrol at 20%. Used cars for testing, and then also rolled in the bench to see loss of power, etc.? come to have the same power source consuming as gi? said.

the ki work ?