hydrogen generator on diesel vehicles

[SandroMarciano]

Do you remember Cricket?? He did see on TV, an engineer with an old fiat 850 (to understand the minibus of the sisters) that went to the water!!!
In fact, you put it near the exhaust and breathing, said: People that's what I'm breathing in the exhaust pipe is water vapor!!!
After the transmission was not able to more' nothing, all gone !!! The oil is a nasty beast !!!

guys... the perpetual motion have not yet been invented, wake up!!!

[Dragonfly]

In that sense, I do not understand.

[SandroMarciano]

In that sense, I do not understand.

in the sense that as you rightly said lukemon it takes energy to produce the hydrogen to put in the tank, so at the end if the machine "you seem to be free" the trsformazione of water to hydrogen is not it ?, and therefore you lose the benefit.

[SandroMarciano]

Guys, even if they are neoiscritto to the forum, something about the hho I know, I can help myself to do a little bit of clarity on key concepts that have been already? mentioned a little bit from everyone.
The oxyhydrogen gas (water) acts primarily as an accelerator and optimizer of combustion. Made tangible ? that the unburned gases are DRASTICALLY brought down when you install a generator, even by only 1-1,5 liters per minute of gas.
Then, if ? true that nothing is created and nothing is destroyed, and that, therefore, how much energy you expend (through the alternator and generating a higher resistance on its axis) so you'll find yourself in the chemical energy of the gas, less the losses due to the heat generated by the cell; but ? also true that we must not forget that our cars do not convert the chemical energy of fuel into mechanical energy at the wheels with a good efficiency, but can barely get close to 20%. A large part ? dissipated as heat (in fact, we have the radiator), then there are the various frictions, etc.,
The injection of oxyhydrogen allows a pi? complete combustion in the combustion chamber, and then is transformed to pi? chemical energy of fuel into mechanical energy at the wheels, and the game is worth the candle.
Then, the ECU intervenes to frustrate all, reading (from lambda) that the mixture ? lean (given that the discharge law, a higher percentage of oxygen), and then injects a quantity? increased fuel economy.
Why you "scam" by inserting spacers on the probe, lambda, or modules on the mass air flow sensor that always have the same purpose to make believe to the ecu that the mixture is rich enough.

The one that made him see Cricket was not a car on water, but the internal combustion engine, traditional, powered by cylinders of hydrogen in the combustion is generated as a by-product water. There remained the problem of how to fill those cylinders of hydrogen, and on their ability? in safety. If to fill them uses an electrolytic dissociation occurs by means of generators that work with traditional fuels, you have only moved the problem (? you can make them in a manner that optimizes the return on the generators).

1.5 l are very related... at that temperature, pressure?
a 1.91 l of displacement "consumes" 3850l/m *4000rpm, also 5l are few in comparison... I think that all of the savings is given by the deception to the mass air flow sensor...

[ecucilacunta]

I say to you, my: some time ago installammo a kit hho on a volvo fh 16 to perform a test by two engineers(improvised in my opinion) that according to their calculations needed to obtain a saving of about 20% of fuel. The first trip, the driver has reported an increase in consumption of about 5%, after a fortnight the stops the engine because of the cells that you are dissolved, and the engine began to suck up water. It's almost finished barrel between the owner of the company, and the two engineers.
For m? hho cells are only a hoax. Then I would like to see in the long run also the damage they can cause. If I remember correctly the hydrogen with aluminium reacts and weakens it, so I don't know up to that point, the pistons could hold.

[SandroMarciano]

I say to you, my: some time ago installammo a kit hho on a volvo fh 16 to perform a test by two engineers(improvised in my opinion) that according to their calculations needed to obtain a saving of about 20% of fuel. The first trip, the driver has reported an increase in consumption of about 5%, after a fortnight the stops the engine because of the cells that you are dissolved, and the engine began to suck up water. It's almost finished barrel between the owner of the company, and the two engineers.
For m? hho cells are only a hoax. Then I would like to see in the long run also the damage they can cause. If I remember correctly the hydrogen with aluminium reacts and weakens it, so I don't know up to that point, the pistons could hold.

very interesting story... that two people speak of saving 20% describing themselves as "engineers" ? an insult to the category!

[lukemon79]

guys... the perpetual motion have not yet been invented, wake up!!!

And who is talking about perpetual motion? The energy of the zero point, you know what?? Do you know from where you get the surplus energy of cold fusion? Does not violate any principle of thermodynamics, if you accept that we do not live in AN ISOLATED SYSTEM, and if the energy is drawn from the outside.

It is true that the oxyhydrogen pu? create cracks in the aluminum, but also in the cast, and for this it is advisable to deal with products, ptfe (teflon), and the motor. With regard to these pseudo-engineers of which you speak, I don't think that was so? professional if they calculated the thermal drift of the cell: they will put too much electrolyte, and the cell had a chain reaction in which pi? the cell is heated, pi? increased its conductivity?, and then the increased flow of current heated the further the electrolyte. If you don't have electronics on board that limits the current, at least go easy on the sodium Hydroxide (caustic soda) or NaHCO3 (sodium bicarbonate)

[ecuboost]

just a few months ago, I have been interested in these cells, informing me left and right, as each what were the pros and cons, then I pick up the phone name is one of the largest distributors of qst tools and put the cards on the table, I tell him that I am interested in mounting these devices in quantity? industrial, provided that:
1 - give me the exclusive area
2 - do not sell smoke
I replied that those who had currently had recently discovered, which would produce little ( I listed a whole series of parameters), but with the universit? torino were studying the new cells that avrebber? the product of pi?, for? these that already? sold cost about€ 200, the ones that he was studying in collaboration with the united sarebber? cost about 1000€....instead, I heard on the radio in my area are installing systems to methane on the diesel car, does anyone know how they work?

[lukemon79]

As far as I know, the diesel car with a cng system, unlike a car, gasoline and lpg/cng, are filled with methane, do not switch completely to gaseous fuel.

[danny677]

There are natural gas with lpg, the part of the plant does not differ much from that of the normal transformations for gasoline vehicles there? what changes ? the electronic management.
In essence, the diesel is used to start the combustion cycle and, when the vehicle ? in the scheme, is introduced to the gas, also the injections of fuel are also reduced by 50-60 % and is burnt gas in the room.
It is quite complex but gi? used for years in south-east asia, instead of from us, especially on public transport permitting - on the long haul - to contain part of the costs ( around 25-30%), as well as? to reduce emissions of pollutants and the much-dreaded fine dust without the use of a particle filter.
In the automotive field, we are of the accomplishments of the landi but for now between costs and the reluctance of the market to nothing widespread, although immediately available and verified..