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  1. #61
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    Citazione Originally Written by tidus1985 Visualizza Messaggio
    and true, they work fine, also, change the oil pipes to adapt lubrication and cooling to the new effort, which turns the turbine, has a shop very well stocked and serious.
    even I was skeptical as sandro but after seeing person in a coma is working, I changed my mind in the heck ? a true artist in what he does

    Citazione Originally Written by cicciogsr Visualizza Messaggio
    next you are at it post a link cos? we can all see, no?
    you can't? for regulation, it would be advertising?

    a few photos of his creations
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    * Final fantasy x: very clear and helpful, as always! thank you so much for your advice and criticism on the map...unfortunately I can not still download the map with the changes I've made then it should? wait to your messages :-)
    In the meantime, applicher? your advice to try to make a better map, I promise that as soon as the avr? way download your the try for sure :-P

    Tidus as soon as you have a moment take a look at this, should be better
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    I think I know who you are referring, but I have opinions which are very contrasting, and I repeat, a turbine should not be beautiful, but functional, to design a turbine doesn't just go on feeling. Often produce assurdit? even the most prominent manufacturers, so when we talk about processing are always skeptical, even why? to make a good turbine is not just the balancing, but many of the tests in the laboratory...

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    1E73B8 what ?, or better what do you think?
    the first map with the lambda ? changed in a positive way, I think you face a line of reasoning wrong, try to bring it to 1500punti, then you realize how it works...
    The rail according to me ? useless as edit, 1 why? don't need it, 2 why? just in case you change especially in the last columns.
    The times I leave them gold and I would try to look for the limiters. Then torque limiters bass and pedal down...

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    Hello Sandro,
    1e73b8 ? the torque during the power-on ? a change that is ? necessary since? my 159 ? one of those who had problems of difficult starting in cold.... after changing the setting in motion ? pi? adjust.. I took inspiration from the two maps, a 159 2.4, where the problem was much more? accented.. I found a gold with the problem, and a gold aggirnata alpha where they had changed those curves.

    with regard to the map lambda I have thought so?: if you increase the map threshold to the max, and decrease the min threshold do with the machine pi? excursion with values of lambda in such a way that if the required torque ? been reached is expected to reduce the power consumption with the greater amount? of air in relation to fuel...
    ? a reasoning wrong? if it is how should I modify them?

    ok time them put? ori, I see the rail... are you referring to the lim fuel?
    lim torque and pedal low deliberately in this first map...so the map and understood well the operation will increase? yet :-)


    thanks a lot for your help!

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    Citazione Originally Written by paolo159 Visualizza Messaggio
    Hello Sandro,
    1e73b8 ? the torque during the power-on ? a change that is ? necessary since? my 159 ? one of those who had problems of difficult starting in cold.... after changing the setting in motion ? pi? adjust.. I took inspiration from the two maps, a 159 2.4, where the problem was much more? accented.. I found a gold with the problem, and a gold aggirnata alpha where they had changed those curves.

    with regard to the map lambda I have thought so?: if you increase the map threshold to the max, and decrease the min threshold do with the machine pi? excursion with values of lambda in such a way that if the required torque ? been reached is expected to reduce the power consumption with the greater amount? of air in relation to fuel...
    ? a reasoning wrong? if it is how should I modify them?

    ok time them put? ori, I see the rail... are you referring to the lim fuel?
    lim torque and pedal low deliberately in this first map...so the map and understood well the operation will increase? yet :-)


    thanks a lot for your help!
    I'm glad that the map of the ignition has been modified consciously, are often changed why? exchange for who knows? which map of the diesel...

    The maps lambda, I did some further testing yesterday, why? also I believed that it worked as you said yourself, so I have set the map, "high lambda" in order to have 20/1 and the other I left the original result, the machine was a sewer, it went slowly, then all together eplodeva, so I looked better the damos, and I realized that the first one works with a given flow of fuel, the second with another, so I think the best thing to do is to modify both in the same way.

    For the limiters I meant to say that you have to find the limiters of diesel, there are at least 2 active.

    The couple right at the beginning you have to give more?, otherwise you will not make even the account if the change has worked or if it still lacks some limiter...

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    Hello, I try to give my humble contribution...I have the same engine, on bravo...
    then, the pedal, you have asked for as little as nothing...? really almost ori...
    lim torque pu? go, but you still margin...
    maps lambda, as gi? from said sandro, are wrong
    injection time, not I speak...you first find a map of the 150hp that has already? time to 100mm3 and them copy
    pressure turbo, I would some point...cos? I know that ? a p? altina
    rail pressure, return it to the original up to 2500 rpm (the pump is the hp runs on the distribution, and ciuccia power...if you ask her more pressure, she will absorb? most power)

    you have to find the two lim IQ...

    PS this machine still has the swirl in the intake manifold?

  8. #68
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    Citazione Originally Written by SandroMarciano Visualizza Messaggio
    I think I know who you are referring, but I have opinions which are very contrasting, and I repeat, a turbine should not be beautiful, but functional, to design a turbine doesn't just go on feeling. Often produce assurdit? even the most prominent manufacturers, so when we talk about processing are always skeptical, even why? to make a good turbine is not just the balancing, but many of the tests in the laboratory...
    take a look at the messages, I do not think it is who you say, then if you do trade, and you're better than him ? another story, I have personally seen some of his work and talked with guys who have performed interventions with him, I don't like to talk about hear-say,I love to touch and see things in person

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    Citazione Originally Written by garret Visualizza Messaggio
    take a look at the messages, I do not think it is who you say, then if you do trade, and you're better than him ? another story, I have personally seen some of his work and talked with guys who have performed interventions with him, I don't like to talk about hear-say,I love to touch and see things in person
    was what I thought!
    I am not a competitor, of course I do not produce or modify the turbines, but I'm now following a course of turbomachines, and l? I realized the number of parameters that affect the operation of a turbine/compressor, well above what you can? to get a single craftsman, both for knowledge and for equipment for the experimentation and the calculation... For this I prefer to take a turbine official that I know exactly the operation that avr?, when andr? in the surge and in the chock, in short, I prefer to spend 200€ in the pi? but have a product that I know how it works and how to make it work...

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    Citazione Originally Written by paolo159 Visualizza Messaggio
    Hello all,
    trying to follow the countless tips and analyzing the maps of the example found on the net I tried to make a map for my car, I'd like to get an opinion from the pi? experts here on the forum...

    My intent in the implementation of the map ? to solve the famous problem of my panterona, dead at low revs to try to also give them a little bit more? of horses at rpm sustained.
    I tried to keep the injection times are low enough so as to contain a little consumption (if I could reduce it further, I would not mind).
    The changes to the map torque at start-up ? been suitably modified so as to prevent damage to the flywheel during start-up (I replaced the last month since? vibrated a lot and tore despite the clutch was not then so well? worn).
    This latest change ? gi? been tested and I have to say that now the problem of vibration and strattonamenti in start-up ? resolved.

    Regarding the map size limit of the fumes I have not touched anything since I don't really understand how they work..

    I look forward to your comments, criticism and advice!!!!

    I enclose ORI and MOD
    Hi Paul, I also 159_150CV she too suffers problems of drowsiness at the low end, what software do you use to map? give me some advice?

    Greetings hyrosat

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