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    Citazione Originally Written by munro Visualizza Messaggio
    not ? cos? simple rules why? going to change the duty cycle of the valve n75 is v? to madden the PID control that ? a control system for the turbo pressure.....
    you should change this to the pid control then go to the mod on the n75....
    only that many preparers also known prefer not to touch the map pid to not mess up the life why? and really tough to fix...this control uses a logic of their own which is entirely different from the one pu? management "simplistic" of such as you have described you.....
    when I replace the turbines with other more large and I prefer not to touch the maps in the ecu and the act on the adjustment screw of the actuator itself....I do first cos? through the map even if sprucing up on the map, sometimes I have to give...
    for you to better understand the pid control I would like to post a link that explains pretty well what I'm talking about but it's not? if I can....
    what you say you're right.... but what do you do you ****llo mechanical??? if I have a problem like you described.... original, pike high, corrects and lowers, then revenge, then corrects, and then lowers..... if this is the case.... and the fix only mechanically.... I would have a lag at low revs, then starts to climb... and pulls up top.... if instead, I go to tap the map of the turbo.... I don't know if you've noticed.... to the midrange on the management of 2400 falls again, the percentage of valve type at 60% instead of 70/75% in order to lower the pressure in those ****lli.... you say that logic is wrong??? these controls that you say.... how do you understand them and where are they located??

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    mechanically I'm going to rwgistrarmi otherwise the actuator,practically I'm going to touch the registry of the wastegate that controls the geometry turbo ? I leave almost everything the same in the map only a few small tweaks to the map turbo pressure and depending on the case svito or run it from 2 to 4 rpm, the wastegate log....of lag you don't have to anything with this system a p? rough I have to say, but effective enough for the actuator to? work on the same duty cycle as the ori in the launch will be? the "stroke of geometry", and from the minimum up to when you reopen the geometry of the pressure ? nearly identical to the trend in the map just in time to go to open to a progressive lowering of the press ? linearizarla f? less run the vgt....everything here nothing who knows? what....
    then do not say that the logic of the 2.4 is wrong, but if the copy as well as adjusting the pid control will not get the desired result in fact the worst things I can think of to? would try to repeat.....
    for the pid control takes the damos specific for the car in question, and especially one that has the attributes kilometers to modify them, why? not ? simple....

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    if it would be as you say.... the pressure spike, the most high-xk? the rod remains tight.... then, if I unscrew the dipstick x make you stay longer.... right???

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    depends... more than just unscrew it I try to register it before I give you a ride to unscrew for example, then I feel the car if you do not satisfy me I go back to record avvitanto or unscrewing it until I can increase the boost...pretty much crazy I am, instead, that the control unit.....ahahahahah..... once you have found the right balance touch lightly on the map where the recording I can't seem to get it going as I say....but minimal not to believe that I'm going to upset the whole map....
    the more that other suitable map to the pressure and not vice versa as it normally should be...

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    Citazione Originally Written by munro Visualizza Messaggio
    depends... more than just unscrew it I try to register it before I give you a ride to unscrew for example, then I feel the car if you do not satisfy me I go back to record avvitanto or unscrewing it until I can increase the boost...pretty much crazy I am, instead, that the control unit.....ahahahahah..... once you have found the right balance touch lightly on the map where the recording I can't seem to get it going as I say....but minimal not to believe that I'm going to upset the whole map....
    the more that other suitable map to the pressure and not vice versa as it normally should be...
    you, as I am always a bit twisted with the variable geometry ... my question was... if I map x absurd imposed 1.6 bar... and I can see that the pressure spike to 2.... then drops to 1.7 then descends again.... I only logical that I should lower the pressure physically.... to lower the pressure.... do I have to unscrew the rod to lengthen in a theoretical way.... right???
    xke if I'm not mistaken.... when you turn on the car that you pull the dipstick... the pressure load ... in the moment that stretches.... the pressure stabilizes.... right???

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    yes, we can say that when the dipstick ? pull c'? the pressure when you stretch,as you say,the pressure decreases.....
    the fact ? that the rod of the geometry does not behave just like a wastegate of the turbine normal where you know that you must "stretch" to 1 bar and keeps pretty stable...the vgt ? in continuous movement to try to stabilize the press...
    because while in the turbine fixed ? very easy to do,because once you open the WG, the exhaust gas does not make more turn the turbine "reach" completely in the vgt this "by-pass" is not the case, and then all the gases continue to pass through the turbine, making the task of the vgt's very difficult to keep the press steady...
    even why? the turbo being a machine fluid dynamics is affected by the very conditions of its operating fluid to the cio? the exhaust gas which, as you know, are much more "hot and energetic" uphill or maybe with the car at full load....
    let alone after a nice remapping....

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    I don't need to copy the maps, why? are anyway 2 different engines with different filling of the exhaust and the intake,you should work on the original maps

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    Citazione Originally Written by sportknight Visualizza Messaggio
    I don't need to copy the maps, why? are anyway 2 different engines with different filling of the exhaust and the intake,you should work on the original maps
    you should always work on the original maps....

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    Red face

    I agree to work on the original maps,and in the specific case according to my point of view you will otherwise the torque limiter maximum,I would work with the rail pressure to the original without going to change that in the regeneration(1e6624) torque limiters for single gear them will all of them except the one in the back, but not with the increases that I have seen,the maps ranging from 1 to 5 then all the cloth ori,however, I enclose a document, why? maybe someone can come in useful,and the other good thing ? to do a lot of tests with a diagnosis in hand and see what happens......you will discover many beautiful cose.........good job to all
    File Allegati File Attachments

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    the limiter, the reverse also limits the speed? in the end so it would be good to bring him to the value of the other,at least on the 1.9 ? cos?
    with regard to the maps in the regeneration,I think that someone who puts a turbine pi? big not to serve,the first change will be? definitely delete the dpf

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