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    In fact, I apologize re-reading a little qll written I realize that, however, taking a semi-phased out of a 4-cylinder on an engine 500 two would be the result of an injection multipoint!!

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    Citazione Originally Written by munro Visualizza Messaggio
    there are basically 3 types of ecu/engine, that is, the full group,the sequential semifasato,and the sequential
    self-seal.
    in a nutshell:the full group=are driven all together, the injectors, for example, in a 4-cylinder at each turn regardless
    from the position of the pistons are activated, all four of the injectors and the gas stop in the collectors until
    opens the inlet valve, which sucks in everything.the power can be with ditributore rotating or wasted spark
    that is a spark lost simply because on the two lighted candles if it uses only one and the other goes to the vacuum,
    of course, the life of the candle is cut in half,to understand better the various delta, thema, etc. with ecu marelli iaw were
    all full group this system brings a number of problems including high fuel consumption and high emissions, especially at cold
    because of the gas that condenses in the intake manifolds as well as having a management of the engine a bit "empty"
    especially at low speeds.


    ignition and injection seeds multipoint= are driven two injectors for a time, then an injector injects vacuum
    and even here the petrol is stopping in the intake manifold waiting to be sucked,also here you have
    a certain irregularity, especially in the cold because, as in the full group the gas condenses in the manifold,also
    if much less due to the fact that "uses" a conduit at a time,
    higher consumption compared with the sequential injection but minor of the full group,
    has the advantage of having the best hardware is simple in that it uses half of the components and with this to manage the engine
    goes very well at high speed.
    the power is called a wasted spark or spark lost here of course on the two lighted candles
    if it only uses one and the other goes to the vacuum,naturlamete here, too, the life of the candle is cut in half,
    has the advantage of using half of the components and does not require a sensor only turns to pilot ignition
    and injection.


    injection and ignition sequential timed= there is a need for the phase sensor in addition to the sensor, of course,
    it is controlled by an injector at a time and lit a candle at a time in phase with the cylinder which stands for"shoot".
    with this strategy it reduces the dead times of the injectors,also called the latency time
    that is, the time that is wasted to open the injectors after that came the impulse,
    and this gives the possibility to inject more fuel at high rpm with injectors smaller than a semifasato.
    the other useful thing is the possibility to choose the angle of injection used to inject fuel valve open
    and then it settles on the walls of the intake manifold and you could have a stratified charge
    in addition to reducing consumption. for the ignition the main advantage is that you double the life of the candles,in addition
    to have for example the possibility to map the cylinders individually.

    with these three main strategies of operation there are three methods of control of injection/ignition is that is
    the system a "hot wire" or also called "maf load" using a mass air flow sensor for "weigh" the incoming air
    the motor at various rpm and thus add fuel to get a given afr and ignition advance,this
    system of course, then there are sensors scattered around the engine that monitor specific parameters, and inform the ecu to
    implement the necessary corrections.
    then there is the speed-density-that is, a system that injects fuel and gives the ignition spark
    in function of the rpm and the pressure in the intake manifold using in the ecu maps
    working with the volumetric efficiency of the theoretical engine, and even here, among the many sensors it uses the lambda probe to
    correct "feedback" the stoichiometric ratio,for example.
    and finally we have the alpha-N, where engine management is entrusted to two fundamental parameters, i.e. the engine rpm
    and the opening angle of throttle or potentiometer to the pedal provided by a tps sensor,also here then we are all
    a series of sensors and maps in the ecu to make the engine what it wants.
    I hope you all clear.
    Munro thanks for the explanation....I knew the diff. between the multipoint and full group...now I know the seeds phased out...
    But now reflecting suivari corsaioli....they have only the sensor engine rev...missing the sensor phase...then, I thought, they use of the seeds, the same of a 4-cylinder paired 2 by 2, as mentioned by benny??
    Or you can use a multipoint, but without the phase sensor???

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    you puotrebbe use a phased taking the second rpm signal from the ignition distributor...
    A rider does not create queues even in the car...
    a automoblista create queues even on a motorcycle...

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    Citazione Originally Written by munro Visualizza Messaggio
    you puotrebbe use a phased taking the second rpm signal from the ignition distributor...
    Munro do you mean to say...use the encoder wheel to the sensor, engine rpm, and exploit the phase of the distributor cap for the phase sensor??
    so as to have the phase of the cam is to tell the ecu where we are ??
    Or I wrong understand??

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    exactly as you've written you.
    A rider does not create queues even in the car...
    a automoblista create queues even on a motorcycle...

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    hello, I have mounted on my twin a megasquirt, I had opted initially for a electronics point 55 monoiniettore but abandoned for the simple fact that the megasquirt is the map in real time..

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    Citazione Originally Written by giulianoA3 Visualizza Messaggio
    hello, I have mounted on my twin a megasquirt, I had opted initially for a electronics point 55 monoiniettore but abandoned for the simple fact that the megasquirt is the map in real time..
    hello what type of MS you have mounted the ecu have picked it up already assembled or has it made you ? as mapping and easy to map ?
    and most importantly, the cost

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    Citazione Originally Written by giulianoA3 Visualizza Messaggio
    hello, I have mounted on my twin a megasquirt, I had opted initially for a electronics point 55 monoiniettore but abandoned for the simple fact that the megasquirt is the map in real time..
    hello, my ms2.3 l I purchased to assemble and assemblanta in italy from a regazzo forum megasquirt..from the map is simple, when you understand the operation you is simple..I spent between one thing and another 1,500 euros..

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    Citazione Originally Written by giulianoA3 Visualizza Messaggio
    hello, my ms2.3 l I purchased to assemble and assemblanta in italy from a regazzo forum megasquirt..from the map is simple, when you understand the operation you is simple..I spent between one thing and another 1,500 euros..
    I am also very willing to take it .. all complete with sensors, you've spent 1500 ? as the throttle body, which do you use ? I think the two injectors

    if you like this is my ***** unless.caggia************* you can send me some photos

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    hi, sensors all derivation fiat punto 1st series 75 hp coil including.the throttle body one-piece is subaru by 50 mm and the manifold machined from solid.DSCN9740.jpg

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