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    Citazione Originally Written by giuseppe89 Visualizza Messaggio
    the boys then following the speech, and the formula of the great murno we should have for this 1.600 cc the following result:

    CFM = L x RPM x VE x PR / 5660

    1598 x 4000 x 95 (theoretical being 16v) x 2.7 (assuming 1.7 bar of turbocharger series) / 5660 = 289.67 CFM = 20.299 Lb / min =44.751 Kg/min =0.745 Kg/sec = 0.620 M3/ sec
    in practice, this engine ingurgita to 2.7 bar of boost pressure (environment including) 620 cm3/sec
    I hope not to be wrong in any calculation and I thank you infinitely murno for the valuable information!
    According to me there is an error.
    Up to 20.299 lb/min, it comes back perfectly, but then you have divided to 0,454 to convert pounds to Kg but in reality, according to me, you had to multiply because it takes 2.2 lbs to have a Kg
    Here I quote the formula of munro
    Lbs (pounds = lb) = 0,454 kg; 1kg=2.2 lbs
    then 20,299 lb multiplied by 0,454 = 9,216 Kg/min and not 44,751 Kg/sec

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    Now knowing that the engine ingurgita 9,216 Kg of air per minute, I'd just turn them into mg in order to understand how much diesel fuel can I burn and I do not calcolerei the volume in cubic metres per second.
    Then 9,216 Kg of air corresponds to 9216 grams or 9.216.000 mg.
    We also know that a 4 cylinder with the motor shaft which rotates at 4000 revolutions per minute does 8000 aspirations, therefore, every single aspiration will be worth 9216000/8000=1152 mg

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    Thanks switing63 I committed two errors,one in the calculation and the other to try to do calculations in the late evening, hahaha

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    Citazione Originally Written by tranky Visualizza Messaggio
    Know that t the respect you not only because you're the batman of critical situations, but also for the simplicity and the seeds form a professional that you have to give info while asking questions one is asking a question in the correct way and find out the answer that he sought.
    Now back to the address of the file the ecu of this 1600...
    I read in 2d practically ALL of the files by excluding the help of the Driver of the ECM and I found enumerevoli bp which I assume should be changed to the address of the 80mm3.. Ve them the list, and in the case discuss them if you put too many curves in the cauldron.
    1Ec572 - 1ec622 - 1ed9ac - 1eeeb0 to 1eeeba - 1efd1e - 1f3f00 - 1f4aca - 1f4af2 - 1f4b2e - 1f4b42 - 1f4a4e - 1f4efe - 1f4ff2 - 1f50f2 - 1f5426 - 1f543a - 1f5562 - 1f5662 - 1f57ce - 1f58ce - 1f5a3a - 1f5bea - 1f5cb2 - 1f6132 - 1f6232 - 1faba6 - 1fb83e - 1fbab4 - 1fd44a
    I'm almost certain many of these but some do not have the curve similar to the BP first of a series of maps are more to "pin" and I don't know if they are the drivers of that size or nothing do to with it..
    Let me know if it is correct the analysis, or I shot to the american ('do cojo cojo).
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    Citazione Originally Written by switing63 Visualizza Messaggio
    Now knowing that the engine ingurgita 9,216 Kg of air per minute, I'd just turn them into mg in order to understand how much diesel fuel can I burn and I do not calcolerei the volume in cubic metres per second.
    Then 9,216 Kg of air corresponds to 9216 grams or 9.216.000 mg.
    We also know that a 4 cylinder with the motor shaft which rotates at 4000 revolutions per minute does 8000 aspirations, therefore, every single aspiration will be worth 9216000/8000=1152 mg
    bravo switing...now chesappaimo the quantity of air at a given pressure and rpm data, we choose a afr/lambda and a suitable and know precisely how much fuel we have to give our motorello...
    then, assuming that the lambda 1,2(afr 17.4) in faro 1152/17,4=66,2 mg, or 77,9 mm3 of fuel at 4000 rpm and 1.7 to boost...
    easy true?
    A rider does not create queues even in the car...
    a automoblista create queues even on a motorcycle...

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    Citazione Originally Written by munro Visualizza Messaggio
    bravo switing...now chesappaimo the quantity of air at a given pressure and rpm data, we choose a afr/lambda and a suitable and know precisely how much fuel we have to give our motorello...
    then, assuming that the lambda 1,2(afr 17.4) in faro 1152/17,4=66,2 mg, or 77,9 mm3 of fuel at 4000 rpm and 1.7 to boost...
    easy true?
    then a 1,600 let's say that if we didn't put a turbine increased the limit of diesel fuel burnable without smoking, very it is to 80mm3. am I right?

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    1,7 of boost is the maximum x this car ?

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    Citazione Originally Written by Errecinque Visualizza Messaggio
    then a 1,600 let's say that if we didn't put a turbine increased the limit of diesel fuel burnable without smoking, very it is to 80mm3. am I right?
    difficult to say, based only on the calculations,..r...in practice, it may be that with this iq and afr the car fumes to the beast because maybe the air temperatures are high then the less the density of oxygen in the combustion chamber or it may be the opposite is true, because maybe the engine "breathe" better than what we hypothesized say to you because it is mounted an air filter more permeable or drain more ******..
    in short, I repeat the calculations work well for an initial estimate and a "before basting" of the map, but then the feedback is there from the engine in real conditions...
    A rider does not create queues even in the car...
    a automoblista create queues even on a motorcycle...

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    Citazione Originally Written by andrea80 Visualizza Messaggio
    1,7 of boost is the maximum x this car ?
    to know for sure you should have on hand in the compressor map of the turbo of this car once you see on the card up to that pressure, we can push the turbo should be monitored via the pressure gauge the pressure of the exhaust gas or "back pressure" why? we put the case that the hole of the exhaust from the turbine golds and 50mm and with a bar of boost the turbo through this hole can spend 2 bars of "backpressure" now the compressor of the turbo to the cold side on the card can also support a 3 bar as well as the engine, but if we take this pressure to the engine from the same hole maybe first have to pass 6 bar in this situation...and as if by a door made to let go 1 person at a time you want to go by the same 6 people all together...the result is that there passerrano ever so there is a limit to every thing...
    A rider does not create queues even in the car...
    a automoblista create queues even on a motorcycle...

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    1ed9ac map 8x16-axis y iq x-axis prex rail and Z-axis to discover on the damos (then we look at it)
    from 1eeeb0 to 1eeeba could be really lim iq but I can't find the bp to understand what is referred to
    1efd1e map 16x16 y axis, rpm on x-axis iq z-axis I do not know but I have never seen tap on this map
    1f3f00 pressure turbo this is to be raised to 8000 to inform the ecu of the new iq max and in the last column put the right values of the prex to 80 mm3
    1f4efe and 1f4ff2 map 10x10 y-axis rpm x-axis iq z-axis I do not know but I have never seen tap on this map
    1f50f2 map 16x10 y-axis, rpm on x-axis iq z-axis I do not know but I have never seen tap on this map
    1f5562 1f5662 1f57ce map 10x10, 16x10, 10x10 same as above

    1fb83e be raised to 8000 to inform the ecu of the new iq max and in the last column put the right values of the prex to 80 mm3
    1fbab4 and 1fd44a is nothing, the map all to zero

    You forgot, however, the bp to 7000 the first of the 5 maps advances

    the other maps turbo as the times inj and limiters, turbo, and the rail is in the ecu have been calculated up to 80mm3 or even 90.

    you only need to see if there are other lim iq real on the basis of air temperatures diesel etc

    Munro I have given incorrect data, I looked only at the eye....

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