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    Opinion the map ALFA 147 1.9 JTD 8V 115HP - 332.688

    Hi,
    in annex I entered ori and mod of the machine.
    My goal ? do a soft-tuning , without having to compromise injectors, clutch, gearbox, turbine, and anything else!
    I am a beginner and use ECM Titanium 1.61 to change the maps.
    Could you please take a look at the mod files to see if I've made mistakes coarse and especially if I have omitted something...
    So, I hope that someone can give me a help to take the right direction and give me some good suggestion.
    Thanks
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    hello I'm not a top, but I think there are things that don't go real well, I start from the end:
    the rail pressure , I would put up the 3 - 4 % max so ? too much and I would like to start from a 50/60% load same thing limiters rail too high
    torque limiter parts from 1500 to the max and gradual, breast' farewell clutch
    turbo pressure of 170 points, I think a little bit, put a 120 points maybe
    the pedal would start from 1500 rpm and 50% load .
    this ? my thoughts and for what I know, some also see other signs.

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    Citazione Originally Written by michele30 Visualizza Messaggio
    hello I'm not a top, but I think there are things that don't go real well, I start from the end:
    the rail pressure , I would put up the 3 - 4 % max so ? too much and I would like to start from a 50/60% load same thing limiters rail too high
    torque limiter parts from 1500 to the max and gradual, breast' farewell clutch
    turbo pressure of 170 points, I think a little bit, put a 120 points maybe
    the pedal would start from 1500 rpm and 50% load .
    this ? my thoughts and for what I know, some also see other signs.

    for soft I think you should follow this advice

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    Citazione Originally Written by michele30 Visualizza Messaggio
    hello I'm not a top, but I think there are things that don't go real well, I start from the end:
    the rail pressure , I would put up the 3 - 4 % max so ? too much and I would like to start from a 50/60% load same thing limiters rail too high
    torque limiter parts from 1500 to the max and gradual, breast' farewell clutch
    turbo pressure of 170 points, I think a little bit, put a 120 points maybe
    the pedal would start from 1500 rpm and 50% load .
    this ? my thoughts and for what I know, some also see other signs.
    Thanks Michael for the answer.
    For the rail pressure and limiters seguir? the your advice.
    For the couple, I tried to delete the discontinuit? the ori giving greater linearity? up to approx 2200 rpm (note the negative increments up to 1750), and in fact I haven't noticed any signs of jerking that the ori had, but a greater high fluidity? also the throttle is released (less engine braking).
    For the pressure turbo say that I have to get to max 120 points?
    With a pedal you mean the iniez. prov. BoostXRPM (use ECM Titanium map with the pedal ? arricchim. in acceleraz. that I have not touched)?
    There are other maps that I should touch?

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    according to me, even the rail it would be appropriate to leave it to the original... while the torque limiter, you can turn it up when you want, so long before it becomes dangerous for the clutch and flywheel are involved other limiters that stop the diesel...
    turbo pressure map soft also 100mbar in pi? could also fit!

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    Citazione Originally Written by SandroMarciano Visualizza Messaggio
    according to me, even the rail it would be appropriate to leave it to the original... while the torque limiter, you can turn it up when you want, so long before it becomes dangerous for the clutch and flywheel are involved other limiters that stop the diesel...
    turbo pressure map soft also 100mbar in pi? could also fit!
    Thanks Sandro, the only reason why? I increased 6% in the rail ? because of the fumosit? in fact ? lowered a lot (especially under the 1800 rpm and 60-70% load) with respect to the ori.
    For the rest, cos? com'?, the machine acceleration has not strattonamenti and progresses linearly up to 3500 rpm, after of course flattens out a bit, but there? I do not care!
    For the turbo, using convert real values in mbar (ECM2001), me 100% of the load pressure of 1.30 mbar below the max of 1.35 mbar to constant indicated for the GT1749V.
    Do you think it is too much?

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    After each change ? good to check with a diagnosis on the road to the values that pi? we are interested in.
    The turbo pressure, I believe, is one of these, as sometimes it happens to have a peak pressure pi? another of us? you expect
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    I in toto Ghizmo, in fact, this will be one of the things that soon the lighthouse'...
    For the speech of the turbo pressure, I would like to point out that only an overboost is controlled by the ECU, while the rotation of the turbine depends on ****lli injection, i.e. how much diesel to inject. So, not having changed the map of an overboost, the only map which depends on the turbine and the injection of the zoned BosstXRPM. Therefore, in order to check the turbine is not, you just have to tap the map pressure boost and its limiters, but also that of the split (there are things that walk together).
    This is confirmed by the fact, as he says Ghizmo, the pressure of the turbo can sometimes overcome (for a few seconds) that is set in the map...

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    [QUOTE=Ghizmo;3874

    True, then the tube was not saying that they were too many 120mbar, but they are useless for a change...
    There? you perceive by the torque limiter does not make sense: ? only a limiter, diesel engine braking has nothing to do with...
    And the rail ? true that it cuts down on the fumosit?, but this happens why? "trim" the time of the injection, and how to solitoper changes quiet you feel even...

    Maps turbo among other things, control how the pressure , which tends to oscillate between that objective and that of the limiter, which are used by the pid controller on variable geometry. True ? that pressure also depends on the diesel, but if the limiter ?set up correctly and all the mechanical components works the maximum pressure constant sar? that set by the pressure limiter.

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    I watched now the map, but what? I assure you that you goes into protection for rail is too high, try it to believe it, he pulls the 5^to up to 180, you'll see that you are off the machine for damage, then the limiter fumes leave it to ori, so does not affect the maximum power, and you eliminer? the sbuffata of diesel fuel when you press the pedal, and then the time parties to modify by the pi? at the top, otherwise I get unnecessarily the carburetor in the normal use of the machine.
    Another thing, how ? been modified, I assume that the machine has maintained a trend of the pair is almost the same as the original, and then to 4000rpm it will be? dead...

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