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hello excuse my ignorance on the subject ,I'm new and I would like very much to learn , I have two fiat brava jtd 105 both the year 99 and was already remapped by remapper professional a ca.5 years ago, the other, instead, and still the original ,now I would like to read the one already modified and put it in the original , and as yet I have no program and no experience in the matter ,I would like to consigliaste that progr do I have to buy and how to use it
thank you in advance
Sandros
Hello. Unless the 2 units are not perfectly equal as numbers sw and hw you can not read the file that changed and write it on the original one. However, your ECU should be EDC15 then with the galletto or mpps do safely.
hello Macchi sorry but I do not understand , I can't read the edited one and write it in what is still original? or as
thanks
Exactly. If the two units do not have them same numbers on the Hardware and Software (hw -sw) you can not withdraw the file from a and write it on the other, the risk that the car will not go more in motion.
sorry, but there is the possibility to do this operation? maybe I should save the code key and then re-write it in a that already changed!
You should first see the numbers that you said about the ecu. Maybe you are luck that are the same and then you can write the file to Flash the other ecu. If instead this were not the case, you can redo the changes by hand by copying from the file that have been modified using sw to modify maps as the Titanium.
ok, so I have to buy Ecm Titanium ,but I can also read with this prog ? and if you are, I can read it through socket to 3 pin ? why not the OBD
thanks.
My nephew takes the Delphi Gold prog bought it new a month ago ,we tried to read the Ecu but always unable to connect , we have made many attempts but nothing to do.
Ecm titanium, and only an editor program of the file after the reading. So you'll need a tool to read and write type the galletto v54. The Delphi if I'm not mistaken is only a diagnosis that does not allow you to perform the job that you want to do. Things are complicated further since your car has no obd. Because in the pin out on the bench I don't think I can't read this unless dissaldi the eeprom.
hello Macchi then as you say there is no possibility of read and write directly from the outlet three-pin
in the engine compartment,
so I guess it will be hard for me is the edit
Honestly, I've never tried. You should see if someone has already tried it here on the forum!
and if I change the ecu directly that happens ,what do you think ; you say that it works
You have to scodificare that mod because, if not, should not be on a bike!
hi sandros,what you are saying the driver is all right,I seemed only to understand that you will not enter the head.
You said that in order to read your ecu you need mpps or galletto,then since your car does not have obd, but the outlet 3 wires, you need the adapter,you have to compare the two IDS of the 2 ecu to see if HW and SW are identical so you can do the transfer,otherwise, after the reading of the edited file you have to go all mod on the original one using at this point the ECM software.
I hope I was clear
my advice sandros, is the first to engage in this "company" to read up a bit on the world of the ecu, as you write you are just a beginner to do damage in a moment, the colleagues have tried to explain it to you but it is not simple and sometimes, you incasina even more with the little that you know, it is not that you cannot do what you say', and almost everything in life the important is to know how to do it, documented and studied what they are and what are the programs to use the techniques and terminology of this immense world.
As I wrote above, if on the labels of the ecu or doing ecu data the numbers sw and hw are equal, the problem does not exist because you just write the file from one ecu to the other! As if this were not the files of the ecu is not modified it should be modified by hand by copying the mod from the other file!Quote:
Originally Written by turbodiesel80
As rightly said Ugoboss be doing, but maybe for those who have never put hand is not so easy to get in the mechanism!
Good evening I'm intruding into the discussion,I too am a beginner, I thought, but you could copy the increments of the one already modified and mapped to the original image, forgive me if I've said it a castroneria
It is precisely what I wrote earlier! 😉
buoan evening all thank you all for the many responses and good advice
but forgive me ; but pian pian I'm not understanding nothing , I thought that the manoeuvre would have been easier
instead, it becomes complicated, I thought that buying a simple wing nut I would have done everything necessary,
comq if you could give me a hand (but great) I would be very grateful and explained for wire and sign the complicated procedure
thanks. I have to say that I still don't have any program or any tool like that , and still I want to say that I Reside in
Germany
I tried to explain that it is not so simple, it is not enough to explain how to do it step by step, it also takes a bit of experience, and as if you wanted to drive a bus and did not even have a driving license of the motor, I driven for years, I can tell you how to do it but I'm sure that the first bend and slam into something, in any case, the steps are roughly these, you buy a rooster, install it, attacks the first car ,select the right model, do id and if you connect and gives you the data of the ecu you tick them, then you do the same things on the second ecu, at this point, checks the data and if they are identical you can do the reading of the ecu is modified, and write it in the ori (after, of course, have read that too), but only if the numbers are all the same otherwise you will have to move differently, remember, though, that if the write goes wrong something blocks the ecu and in that case I will resume with the recovery using the tool, or you have to unsolder and program the tour, this is in big lines what you should do if you feel like it begins to buy the tool and install it and if it works everything begins to make id and to post the data from the two ecus.Quote:
Originally Written by sandros
I bought the galletto v54....connected to 3-pin adapter but unfortunately when I click on data the ecu does not read anything.....does anyone know what you can depend on.?
Thanks
Update: after several tests I managed to read and save the data from the two control units...hw is the same but the sw is different...***** and you advise me to proceed now in order to insert the amendments of the one in the other? Grazienda thousand
Open the flash file of the edited one and paste all the maps in that ori.Quote:
Originally Written by sandros
If so, you don't like, you only have another road.. and it's torturous.. to update all ecu's to the same version sw and make them push directly from one to the other..
Hi trank, thanks x the answer. ...with which program I advice d copy the maps? I am newbie and I don't know how to proceed
I could say a great nonsense... but probably if you have the hardware the same and different software it could also be that it would be the same as the ecu because the older edc15 reads in total from the outlet, the flash, and then putting the file that is mapped, you'd have a complete re..
Or is first to send the file that you want to enhance someone competent and if it does remap.
With ECM...Quote:
Originally Written by sandros
On edc15 with different sw hangs the key to the immo.. the Only solution is the copy and paste by hand.Quote:
Originally Written by blackwolf76
In the Boot I have made dozens of exchange SW..
Hello cinqueturbo "boot!" na word and as you do in boot is the controller-the edc1
5c5 )thanks
However tramky I used the ecm to do a copy paste of the maps, now I'll explain what I did so you can tell me if I have done everything in the right way:
Open flash the ecu modified in a window of the ecm and in the other the fllash of the original, on the right of the one you modified they were, injection, injection partial and three other entries, and I deduced that they were changed maps, then I opened a map once and I did save the map data for all of the 5 or 6 maps now I can't remember, then from the ecm, in which was opened the original flash I clicked on the maps to the right and I did open the map data, and then update, this for all the 5 or 6 maps using the map data stored by the ecu mod, I eventually made the save and exported as a file that is modified.
now the checksum is different, and when I open this file but it's not me, it recognizes it automatically with the driver first.
I've done in the proper way? still missing the other before trying to send it to the ecu?
Thanks
EDC15C5?? Sorry I had also read in the discussion that he is not OBD2, but the old socket, 3-Pin, sorry..Quote:
Originally Written by sandros
post the three files so as to give it an eye if you did a good job.Quote:
Originally Written by sandros
I have attached the file as you requested, however I have sent the file to the original unit and everything went well, at least for now as I do not know if the map at the end evenuta well or not.Quote:
Originally Written by ugoboss
the maps that you have copied is good (in the sense that you have copied well) you left out two after the injection choked that the "preparer" has changed, I do not like them as a change but glad you.
I have tried d copy the maps...***** and I said they are the first similar experience, and I don't yet know anything about this industry...with the ecm changed maps I copied all then I do not know how to improve.....you could maybe send you a correction to your liking given that you are not satisfied? I was able to try only the map without confeontarla with other
On ECM load the file ORI and MOD and opening the view in 2D button at the top with the drawing of a diagram) have the scroll bar in the bottom with various buttons to quickly scroll, the beginning the end, etc..Quote:
Originally Written by sandros
Place the bar that scrolls with the mouse on the graph to the center of the screen to view in 2d, lowering the mouse (so as to leave the "bar" black to the center of the screen) go on the chevrons colored blue and red, and premile with the right mouse button.
You'll see that you only in the points of difference between the two maps, pressing them instead with the left mouse button will scroll faster and it is difficult for individuals individual points of differences..
Thanks a lot tranky....I'm trying to learn slowly I am reading everything but being things that have no logical connection x now I'm understanding a little....to copy the maps I had made, so:
Open two windows of the ecm....in a map changed by the preparer in the other the original read with the cock..then working on the one you modified in the table, I did save the map data for all of the changes that the ecm was showing me to the right....then past in the original one clicked on the various items, and dx and made open map data that I had saved.
At the end of the exported file.
Some good guidelines to begin to read and understand something in general about the units me, can you please advise?
unfortunately, in order to understand the maps you have to initially rely on a unique kind of electronic unit and do not mix..Quote:
Originally Written by sandros
for example, the range bosch there are various models edc15, edc16, etc.. but none is a mirror image.. each one is made in its own way.
Since here we are talking about edc15 parts from those and info about you in myriads here on the site, both for the who nomenclature for the edit mode.
I unfortunately do not know them very well since I'm on edc16, but I assure you that the job is very simple compared to edc16.
You should start to learn first of all the use of ecm and if you search on g00gle you will find a file "guide to the use of the ecm" that already gives you an initial help, then steps to the "basic guide to the electronic processing of engines" that explains the "caring" what and how to do it.
Consider that the most constructive experience are you experiencing, and when, or in the forum or via the logs that make up the car.
For the rest you ask and let's see if you can help but start to do something that isn't a copy and paste without logic.
By a read to this topic, as the beginning is very good:
http://www.professionalchiptuning.ne...stechiometrico
Good job friend
Thanks a lot....I'll read what I've suggested and for sure something imparero ....