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hi all,as from object I wanted to know how to do to begin the path to repair the units.what you need to do ,vabé in addition to the various courses of updates,the companies that make these courses,the equipment that we want,are the same companies that do the processing?
On which ECU you have the needed to operate?Quote:
Originally Written by lightning
I have had a few ecu defective or burned out under the hand
IAW59f to the usual problem, Denso, Toyota automatic transmission, Some MJD6 for infiltration adacqua due to tampering, Delco Opel for infiltration of oil or welds cracked..
hi thanks for getting back to me,not one in particular,and a talk a little wider,was to understand where it starts, from the preparation of the courses to the equipment that it takes, and all the rest of the manuals etc etc,and then I can not go to understand one thing companies accredited by famous that do the processing are courses even on the repairs?
No maybe I expressed bad myself..
I try to reformulate the question..
But what makes you believe that all or many of the ecu to break
And it is necessary to specialize on this sector?
I don't think they exist specialised courses for the repair of the ecu. It is more a speech of electronics in general, that is, if you are a good technician who knows the components that you use in a card today, you can repair the phone, the TV, and also the ecu....
hello all,still and always a type of work that is useful if you enter a machine in the workshop with light code turned on, scodificare the ecu and clone it a repair, or I do not know one end of an injector burned.and always a plus that you can do in the workshop.
But these things have to be done like change The oil or the spark plugs..Quote:
Originally Written by lightning
then if you miss a final like you say you do not believe the problem to be solved in the valley?
indicator code turned on? Ok, and a speech vast that with the right instrumentation and Software experience to solve..
scodificare the ecu or clone it? as above.. with the right instrumentation and Software experience..
so you need The appropriate equipment to read and write an ecu in every possible mode, the Serial BDM Boot etc
Software Few but reliable and tested..
Experience? you don't have? you have to do the research, ask the right questions and to the right people..
if you say to me ask "do I have to scodificare a MJD8" I prior I would tell you to read the eprom and post it here on the forum that if not me someone can tell you where you need to intervene etc.,
Hello I to given a lot of information, however, I believe that, however, you started somewhere, like to the started buying equipment, software ,etc., or otherwise to the fact of the courses or to the fact, by someone,because according to me, some smattering, you have no where to put your hands?
hello lightning bolt.
the title of your post says "path from the begin for an electronic technician."
to give you a hand I would like to understand what you are interested in in specific.
do you want to know a bit of basic electronics? how does a transistor, the voltage drop of a diode, functions as a kind of ultimate power? a digital circuit?
If you want to undertake this, on the road, and then get a ecu, engine or electronic problems on a machine the way mica and around the corner.
however, if the passion and you want to become a repairman, even for other things, you will surely come in handy even on the car.
for what do not agree on the phrases "never happened","never seen" as I often read,in electronics this does not exist!
if you tell me where you want to start, and I can give you the routes right to start with.
In every case cinqueturbo to reason, repair of an ecu often is not convenient and requires electronic knowledge is not a trifle, not to mention that they are often lacquered, or dipped in a liquid solidifying to avoid to put my hands.
The products to remove these materials exist, but it should be made only if the amount of work high.
You also need to consider the practical side of the repair, weld, solder, work with smd hot air or appropriate machinery depending on the chip you need to replace etc
This requires a lot of practice, just a weld is made evil, or the pond is not suitable, or a temperature of welder is too excessive or too low to burn a track, or create other problems because the welding crack on a
a digital signal, or pmw, and the worst that can exist casusando other 100 defects that were not there before.
take a iaw of puinto 1.2, what guards them with 50 euros are.
If you quantify the time and costs of the components you'll find that we go under to the great not to mention the times where the customer is suspiciously always in a hurry, should start etc
A customer is displeased, and the rise to a negative publicity.
At the same time know how it works, it does not hurt, you definitely helps to get first comrpendere the cause of the problem and rislverlo.
the more specific that'll give you a hand willingly :).
thank you for having responded to me,I'd like to understand how it all works the system how to check a final a transistor or a diode, or how to clone it or process it.
you, however, to expect.Quote:
Originally Written by lightning
as explained to ok to know the components and functions as a semiconductor or integrated and the basic principles.
but to get a ecu motor as I have written above the road and long.
the cloning of an ecu and another thing, and here it comes already with a bit of hardware (connections) and software as you need a stable pc, the software just and practice.
attention: I am not discouraging,rather the opposite.
however, let's start from the basic concepts.
in these volumes I'm going there are both theory and practice, helps you to understand the operation of the semi-conductor, the difference current/voltage, that 90% of the things that I read around are hair-raising and who and peeled the returns to growth!.
there are chapters deidcati to the solder joints etc, unfortunately not for smd and hot air, but the right way to start.
the first volume of "electronics from scratch" even though I already knew by several years: the basic concepts studied in a manner completely different from this book, I gave it to one of my teachers to own electronics, however, because I had gaps.
although dated the basic principles are always the same and is still used today and that is all, a time to learn and understand the basic concepts, as in this case, the electronics in general you'll see that you will open a pandora's box that not even pictures and you will understand a lot of things that, still today, perhaps you are difficult.
Now the times are different, you switch to the microprocessor without knowing the difference between positive and negative,without knowing what and a signal pmw, without knowing how to use the oscilloscope, without knowing what and an ammeter or commercial capacitance.
I once read that they are useless tools you think, I was the admin of the forum I would be banned for life with all the family tree to follow!.
And important to know at all times that these volumes have nothing to do with the electronics of the car is clear.
mapping,scodifche,tacchimetri,fap,erg are other things. There are specialists that do just one of the items you mentioned and nothing altroo, or everything but with the experience behind you to be shiver.
I advise you to buy them, comprising about 18€ the one, I will step in the pdf are 2 volumes and don't skip the chapters :)...
last thing, do not do the c...ta to study memory,you don't need anything!if there is something that you do not understand the practical example it clears your head trust :).
You are not authorized
Hello mustanggt but you are a repair technician?what do you do? I am the mechanic in the dealership of Fiat group, I'm in charge of mechanics and electronics.
No not car repairer....I'm in charge of electronics and computer science full-time....I do it for 22 years
And by a year poor I also deal with electronic drive.
But sorry if you work at fiat as a mechanic it seems strange that you have not done courses in electronics and computer science.
I have a friend in the fiat in the city where I live that does classes every year.
In any case, a bit of basic electronics certainly doesn't hurt ������
I forgot....if you work in the dealership then in the help center the official forget about clones scodifiche etc....there by the customer with a car scodificata or defappata despatched from the help center the official. ...penalty of suspension of life....I have worked in several official service centres of well-known brands of the my industry and trouble to do certain things or use non-original spare parts....you stand in the assistance in 2secondi....
Hi Knights ,you know our job is the fact that curiosity is what you learn is never enough,I was the one that I know is or learned about electronics, I stole it as it was many years ago.instead, for the address of defappare scodificare etc etc ,always something that is always useful.a nice course in basic electronics base never hurts.a refresher is always good.
No absolutely....on the contrary...
You'll see that those books will help you understand different things ������
Hello Mustanggt the link can you post it in private?Because I do not see it thanks
nohn I think I have the skill to do it....send me a **** to ********** that will send you the link
continue to make you cock your sbattendotene of regolatamento
the m a i l and the address indicated by ****
then I would like to understand the policy of the censorship! mah.
to finish off you to complain as well
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