The map informed delta 1.6 mjt

Hi all, I have just embarked on the project to make a map informed for my car,a delta 1.6 mjt 120 cv.After reading various posts and studied some files of quest' last, I started this job...I have to say that the file that now I will post is only a draft and is not complete for the addresses touched is for the changes to be made.I would like to know if I'm going in the right direction or completely off course.I explain briefly what I'm doing:in practice, I'm bringing all the IQ of 90 mm3,I chose this value because some of the maps are already calculated for this IQ and I would like to be able to unlock this amount.The doubts that I have concerning the calculations to be done to establish the new values from entering the columns,I make an example to the address 1c183e or map the pedal I have in the BP engine rpm and IQ, the latter is calculated up to 82 mm3,port this value from 82 to 90 mm3 and the fitting on the second to last value from 8199 to 8500, so an increase of 9.8% in the first case and 3.7% in the last one.I used these percentages for "calcolarmi" the new requests of the couple and I was wondering if the reasoning is correct... In other cases type rail pressure I've updated the BP to 90 mm3 but I left the values gold, since right now they are set already to 1600 bar and modderò as I have "informed" correctly the ecu of the new IQ. I hope someone can give me some information about it and tell me if I'm continuing well studies thanks to all I attach ori and mod (complete)

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Originally Written by giuseppe89

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Hello Joseph,
you have to paste the file golds that we discussed in the other thread so I don't have the bp changed, and to compare it to.
The ones you attached are both the modified and the ecm does not find the subfamiglia driver

Hello Tranky thanks to Dell's attention,I have attached both the ori is the first and the ecm will not find the driver...I use one of the map is the same but at the moment I can't remember what tomorrow is control the pc and the place...I am also enclosing the updated file which I was working before,but now that we're on that, you know, the map advances has the values clear? I took a look tonight, but I can't find it

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Hello Tranky thanks to Dell's attention,I have attached both the ori is the first and the ecm will not find the driver...I use one of the map is the same but at the moment I can't remember what tomorrow is control the pc and the place...I am also enclosing the updated file which I was working before,but now that we're on that, you know, the map advances has the values clear? I took a look tonight, but I can't find it

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without seeing the maps with the driver, it is difficult for me to tell you something.. the map advances has as bp rpm/iq and the values are microseconds in the clear, at least on my edc16 so..
looking only at the 2d known to have the fap active and egr.. right?
I am looking for the maps, advances in 2d but it is a long search...

As what is not said.. the mod you've ruled out the dpf and egr (here also known too many curves made zero, surely you have used some software), but you have bad set up a lot of points.
When various a bp, you have to calcolarti his new relationship in the map to its point of the curve..
You touched on a bp that you don't have tap, the one with a value of 8192 is an increasing percentage, and YOU have to leave it to ORI, you need to change to another bp that has the iq or if they are rpm leave ori.
Regarding well, what touches the system, the question of driver otherwise you leave it crazy!

Which bp are you referring to tranky?I do not recall any bp with that now in mind I remember having to take the bp from 8200 to 9000 and the previous 8199 to 8500. With regard to the calcolarmi of the new values in the map for the new iq, I gave the same percentage of increase that I have on the bp. for example, from 82 to 90 mm3 (i.e. 9,8)I don't know if is correct the reasoning.you how to calculate the new values? for the drivers after you place what use that is to a map that is the same but not my will but not by much information about it but...thanks again

The driver I use is D235_509

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Which bp are you referring to tranky?I do not recall any bp with that now in mind I remember having to take the bp from 8200 to 9000 and the previous 8199 to 8500. With regard to the calcolarmi of the new values in the map for the new iq, I gave the same percentage of increase that I have on the bp. for example, from 82 to 90 mm3 (i.e. 9,8)I don't know if is correct the reasoning.you how to calculate the new values? for the drivers after you place what use that is to a map that is the same but not my will but not by much information about it but...thanks again

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On the maps the pedal.you must not adapt just no bp....in the axes you request in percentage and rpm

Thanks errecinque I have already corrected everything I had swapped out the percentage for a iq 82 mm3...I have to learn still a lot hehehe but the map advances nn I just can't find it, I'm doing up and down throughout the file, and if you continue to not see it...but they are values in the clear? Therefore, even in the negative?

Because work are weeks that I do not turn on the pc, however, the map advances to the ecm calls injection phase from 1 to 5. If your driver is not on the lists just look a file of a 159 edc16c39, for example, and then go on your file

I was taking a cue from the files of a grande punto 1.9 mjt of the forum and compared it to that file in the my not the am in the same position(I am talking about between the maps is not the same address) tonight I try to give them a look thanks for the advice!

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I was taking a cue from the files of a grande punto 1.9 mjt of the forum and compared it to that file in the my not the am in the same position(I am talking about between the maps is not the same address) tonight I try to give them a look thanks for the advice!

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council:
do not compare completely different file from 8valvole to 16valvole that enters in the ball completely because they change too many managers and values on 8v li find yourself in the negative, and comparing it with a 8v. Not knowing what type of car you have, I have preferred to make the alert! ;)

You know that I just took into consideration the difference of management between the 8e16v...great advice thanks!! Mine is a 16v I'll try to take a cue from a 159 16v as was suggested to me by errecinque and to continue the search...weather permitting hehehe thanks again guys!

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You know that I just took into consideration the difference of management between the 8e16v...great advice thanks!! Mine is a 16v I'll try to take a cue from a 159 16v as was suggested to me by errecinque and to continue the search...weather permitting hehehe thanks again guys!

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Go quiet and just you are in any doubt we are here to fill those gaps (as far as I can, of course.. I'm not a guru yet.. avoja to pedalà!!). ;)

The guys have just managed to find these damn advances!!!but the funniest thing is that I had them right here under the eyes and the driver from me set me calling out to them, however, "map of main injection,first injection" and so on...the thing that sent me off the track and that I'll explain here now, to help someone who is more of a beginner to me is the following: in practice, watching other files, like the one of the bravo 150 hp I found myself in the map advances to certain values which I then look in my without result...(for example, values such as 1,01) I then discovered that by opening a file on the ecm when the last quest is the various maps already apply the conversion factors to the values in 2d for example, the value that I saw in the map from 1,01 driver recognized corresponded to the value 43, which without the driver appears in the map...but what is more funny is that the driver for my drive I found the maps in advance(which calls, however, otherwise) but does not apply any conversion factor!!!that's why there was no correlations with the maps of the other files.So I took the value 43 of my map and compared to the 43 of the map "bravo 150hp"without driver corresponds to 1.01 on the file of the good with the driver set...I then 43:1,01=1:x I calculate the x and here is the conversion factor that is 0,0234883721!! But without another reference file how would I ever find such a factor? I think now I can go to sleep peaceful and satisfied finally hahhaa now I was left with only the question of how to recalculate the values in the table after you modified the bp...any clue? =) thanks for the patience and good night!

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Originally Written by giuseppe89

The guys have just managed to find these damn advances!!!but the funniest thing is that I had them right here under the eyes and the driver from me set me calling out to them, however, "map of main injection,first injection" and so on...the thing that sent me off the track and that I'll explain here now, to help someone who is more of a beginner to me is the following: in practice, watching other files, like the one of the bravo 150 hp I found myself in the map advances to certain values which I then look in my without result...(for example, values such as 1,01) I then discovered that by opening a file on the ecm when the last quest is the various maps already apply the conversion factors to the values in 2d for example, the value that I saw in the map from 1,01 driver recognized corresponded to the value 43, which without the driver appears in the map...but what is more funny is that the driver for my drive I found the maps in advance(which calls, however, otherwise) but does not apply any conversion factor!!!that's why there was no correlations with the maps of the other files.So I took the value 43 of my map and compared to the 43 of the map "bravo 150hp"without driver corresponds to 1.01 on the file of the good with the driver set...I then 43:1,01=1:x I calculate the x and here is the conversion factor that is 0,0234883721!! But without another reference file how would I ever find such a factor? I think now I can go to sleep peaceful and satisfied finally hahhaa now I was left with only the question of how to recalculate the values in the table after you modified the bp...any clue? =) thanks for the patience and good night!

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If you want to start to climb this ECU advances are the last thing that you have to touch seen that to be calculated all on the basis of other maps, such as Rail and times. I recommend starting from the map nm/IQ then walk to Rail and turbo then the times and in the end advances.
You want to make a map scaled to the calculated or deceived?

Remember that the advances are in degrees ;)

Tranky I would like to make a map informed or calculated as you say,with regard to the scale of the bp I was talking about in general, the advances them calcolerò according to the injection times.right? But the map you're talking about then nm/iq is a map conversion ? Where can I find it?

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Tranky I would like to make a map informed or calculated as you say,with regard to the scale of the bp I was talking about in general, the advances them calcolerò according to the injection times.right? But the map you're talking about then nm/iq is a map conversion ? Where can I find it?

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It is called from the ECM "fuel injected" under maps lambda.
The times you do them for the calculation of higher IQ simply advances us you'll come out crazy seen that need to be calculated on the basis of the Rail, rpm and formulas.. Think about it after now you the scale of the BP on excel, and calculated everything

The map in my file is out of the driver tomorrow I start to search....what I was wondering is :having given to the bp of the rails iq of up to 90 mm3), can I leave the pressure ori as for the 70 mm3? Given that ori works to 1600 bar, I leave it unchanged? I see that 60 mm3 is the same as or similar now I can't remember...obviously moddero a 4 or 5% on the second time. Same goes for the map turbo. If I leave it as for the iq from the 70 I only have the problems of insufficient pressure right? Can I moddarla then adapting it to the iq maybe after a log on the road? Or am I wrong?

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The map in my file is out of the driver tomorrow I start to search....what I was wondering is :having given to the bp of the rails iq of up to 90 mm3), can I leave the pressure ori as for the 70 mm3? Given that ori works to 1600 bar, I leave it unchanged? I see that 60 mm3 is the same as or similar now I can't remember...obviously moddero a 4 or 5% on the second time. Same goes for the map turbo. If I leave it as for the iq from the 70 I only have the problems of insufficient pressure right? Can I moddarla then adapting it to the iq maybe after a log on the road? Or am I wrong?

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For 90mm3 at least you have to go up to 1650 rail otherwise the times and the advances don't come to ones iq. The Rail stops at 1600 on the 70 but it does not come to those in IQ, it should stop under some degree ori.
According to me you are right to try it step by step if you can. At the end you're not giving excessive increases and that goes wrong you'll have recovery without damage, but at least with a diagnosis you know where to mistakes

Tranky I also found the map nw/iQ and I have in bp values to 5000 for both axes...looking at another reference file I guess and then have rmp in the first axis and the nw in the second and looking for good values I find myself to 500 nw values by 100 so I gather are in mm3... at this point I don't need to ricalcolarla right? I stopped at 90 mm3 and are therefore "covered" exactly? The map that I find is that the vgt, but maybe because it is calculated already to 80 mm3, and not 70 as on the file that I am using...tomorrow I will try again!

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Tranky I also found the map nw/iQ and I have in bp values to 5000 for both axes...looking at another reference file I guess and then have rmp in the first axis and the nw in the second and looking for good values I find myself to 500 nw values by 100 so I gather are in mm3... at this point I don't need to ricalcolarla right? I stopped at 90 mm3 and are therefore "covered" exactly? The map that I find is that the vgt, but maybe because it is calculated already to 80 mm3, and not 70 as on the file that I am using...tomorrow I will try again!

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Exact. Do not touch that map. The important thing is that pedal and the lim couple, you go to take 500nm, so the need is so then the lim iq do his duty once set to 90 mm3

Thanks errecinque that you know the map vgt is set to 80 mm3? Why 70 as the bravo 150 hp I don't find it tonight...the place that I believe to be the vgt. Enjoy the rest of the day!

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Thanks errecinque that you know the map vgt is set to 80 mm3? Why 70 as the bravo 150 hp I don't find it tonight...the place that I believe to be the vgt. Enjoy the rest of the day!

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Some of the maps that seem to vgt are set to 80 and the other 90..(you'll find them with the driver you descrittp under "turbo") I don't know what logic it uses for the read but the first one that I see seems to 90.
Interested in the end of it all to edit this map.. I can tell you from experience seen that are followed by a friend for my and I have come to change also I the one map that you can also leave GOLD at the moment. Affects only for the purposes of removing any piccate the turbine and then at the end of the work of the rest.

Then I leave the golds for now, it is beginning to look for the limiters...and you say that unlocking all the limiters and raising the rail pressure of 1650 bar I can inject the 90 mm3 with this configuration? Of course, I will request it in the map, the pedal 90 mm3...Unfortunately, if it does not quest the other week I have no time for me,here in the workshop, there is the hell everyone wants to repair the car on the last day!!jeez!!

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Then I leave the golds for now, it is beginning to look for the limiters...and you say that unlocking all the limiters and raising the rail pressure of 1650 bar I can inject the 90 mm3 with this configuration? Of course, I will request it in the map, the pedal 90 mm3...Unfortunately, if it does not quest the other week I have no time for me,here in the workshop, there is the hell everyone wants to repair the car on the last day!!jeez!!

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According to me you reach 90mm3 of inj with that pressure, but you have to see it in the work log and see the results.
That goes wrong if you make a mistake, it can happen that:
Empty the flute at a high rpm and inj fall and maybe snaps recovery on the pump hp but nothing serious and evaluate them to give some 30 bar, but only in the regime of IQ.
Calculator, excel, and so much time...

Thanks tranky!!!!I know that my holidays the pass with the calculator in hand haha

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Thanks tranky!!!!I know that my holidays the pass with the calculator in hand haha

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Council..
when calculating the time, calcolali for a value of up to 1700bar of the rail, then you the limits on the 2 limiters rail in 1650, and in the case not to arrive at the iq from the log, raise only the limiter.

Thanks tranky tonight if I can give it a look and put me to the opera even if now I'm still at work and I still have it for a while...but if I'm not mistaken the times are already calculated up to 90 mm3), so leave them ori right? I know that I have to adapt only the rest

Guys I have a doubt,I'm setting the map of pedal for request of 90 mm3, or approximately 450 nw.I noticed that ori demands I find in the engines rpm lower and then fade as the climb of rpm's...I was wondering can I request the 90 mm3 even at the rPm higher? Because of the series he requests is so low to the high? To avoid damage? You think I should increase by the same percentage as you leave the "gradient"to the increasing rpm?

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Guys I have a doubt,I'm setting the map of pedal for request of 90 mm3, or approximately 450 nw.I noticed that ori demands I find in the engines rpm lower and then fade as the climb of rpm's...I was wondering can I request the 90 mm3 even at the rPm higher? Because of the series he requests is so low to the high? To avoid damage? You think I should increase by the same percentage as you leave the "gradient"to the increasing rpm?

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Do not rely on the map ori, as values are set by mom, bosch, calculated with stoichiometric ratios are to compensate for any lambda, and the other with values out of scale if you rely to see them only from that map...
You should make a nice excel sheet with all the maps you're changing, and to establish, in the first place, a stoichiometric ratio equal to 1 and then to stechio.. establish the map nm/iq or leave it to ori in the case of arrivals to 90mm3 that you want to inject.
Saw that, from what you say (I did not open the map now and then I speak to credit what you say) at 450nm have 90mm3, this means that fully % of each mountain for rpm you have to scalarti the curve to get that iq at full throttle (100%) and to maintain a value ORI from 1500rpm to under to avoid any damage.
Remember the more risk you have by changing the low speed (surely someone will not be agree but I I see it and from what I've studied is pretty confirmed.)

Tranky with this message you made me notice that I was gravely mistaken...correct it immediately what I said earlier on,I understood that in the map nw/iq 450 nw takes me from 100 mm3 to 95.9mm3 then I was wrong...leaving aside that I don't get 450 nw with 90mm3 used by me I will use these values for the creation of the new map the pedal.This after having created the map In the tabel, in particular on exel as recommended by you given that you have everything under the eye helps a great deal, not having the drivers...I prepare everything and put me to work!!I forgot, thank you again, and I realize that I still have to learn a lot from people like you!but how do you know? HeheHe they are in debt!!buonaseraTa!

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Tranky with this message you made me notice that I was gravely mistaken...correct it immediately what I said earlier on,I understood that in the map nw/iq 450 nw takes me from 100 mm3 to 95.9mm3 then I was wrong...leaving aside that I don't get 450 nw with 90mm3 used by me I will use these values for the creation of the new map the pedal.This after having created the map In the tabel, in particular on exel as recommended by you given that you have everything under the eye helps a great deal, not having the drivers...I prepare everything and put me to work!!I forgot, thank you again, and I realize that I still have to learn a lot from people like you!but how do you know? HeheHe they are in debt!!buonaseraTa!

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Are not yet reliable as a source.. I have great skills now, but that I know thee, I share it willingly even to have a comparison.
About the map nm/IQ does not need to calculate who knows what.. you Set arbitrarily nm how much IQ to match.
In theory, it is often used to do that the last value in the map, which often corresponds to about 76mm3 on 350mn is divided mm3 on IQ and you multiply that by the nm that you want to create and set the map the pedal to the IQ that you want.
But it is not binding upon the scale in % nm speculate the % of IQ.
As soon as I have time, I throw an eye to the map and I'll give you some advice more real and less theoretical.
About the report in table maps from 2d on the ECM... But as you go!?!?

Good job Giusé !

Having the time I have done a mod file with reports of increase to 100mm3, unlocked limiters, rail and iq..
Let's just consider this and monitor the changes that maybe I could also be wrong since no driver is na ghost hunt..
The maps advance the you strange.. to a point all of the maps have a value which is absurd, and I don't understand the logic.. it would just the driver is in the ecu!
Studied this mod and comparing it to yours, and see the calculations to do.. if you don't understand something tell me, I will explain better.
(I can't attach files with that window in the bottom right... sistemiate the problem? Thanks!!!)

Wow tranky thanks a lot!!I'm not at home now but finally I'm on vacation so I have some day ****** finally...tomorrow I start on and I look for the good. With regards to the map advance payments by multiplying each box for a number that I wrote a few posts back, I find the values in the liked it, or at least I think that's because comparing them with the values of the bravo 150 hp without driver had equal values in the type 43 in the box corresponded to 1.01 degrees...and then I found the conversion factor.Then the logic still I have to understand well.tomorrow I will convert all the values and create a table on excel so as to have a clearer view and direct advances

hello tranky was analyzing the file that you have done, and I had some doubts about the following maps:
1D56C0 has an axis, RPM; in the other, I don't know...it seems like a torque limiter, but I did not quite understand,because the you set to 9000 against his 7700 golds.I think it indicates the IQ but if so, you've set to 90mm3 if your map is made for the 100mm3?
1D9BB0 I find another torque limiter, set this to 100 mm3), right?
1F4188 I in the axis, rpm, and another that I don't know,from the values if they were in the clear, I think, is the atmospheric pressure?I think it's a lim. Press. turbo and I see that you have increased the limits of 0.1 bar. is that correct?
1FA59E I have RPM and rail pressure so I think it is a pressure limiter in the function of I don't know what
1FA7C8 Limiter rail pressure is set always to 1700 bar
1FAF04 another limiter rail.

tranky known that many bp set to 9000 you left them so,you do not affect the iq injectable?then I noticed that you have given maximum 60 points to the turbo pressure,you have calculated this increase or have given it to the base and then adjust it after any log? it seems a quizzettone given the many questions hahaha
I forgot I saw that at the time you gave the same percentage that you have given to bp by doing so adapts the 100mm3 in the map in function of the old 90?