Hi guys,I have a edc17cp14 to clone or scodificare
what can be done? I know that they are a bit steep
I have the backup of both of course
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Hi guys,I have a edc17cp14 to clone or scodificare
what can be done? I know that they are a bit steep
I have the backup of both of course
oh well,I will update
I cloned the ecu that at the end I found to be different in the software but the same in the hardware,it's a passat
the car however was not so I had to scodificare totally and the drive part, and it's good
of course, you turn on the light of the immo and the one of the glow plugs
considering that this is a very fair response
hello, at the end with the lights how you fixed it?thanks.
hello, is there any news on the cloning of this model of the units?thanks.
on these the ecu to have a bit of security in the success of the work of cloning , you have to start from hw and sw the same, in that case you may have a good chance, otherwise I see hard cloning, it is better to go to scodifica and then see it with the lights on how to resolve.
in fact, I have 2 ecu's the same in hw and sw.
in this case we advise you to have a backup of both of the ecu , against the file, and then transfer the backup to the 99% should go, but the last word from the machine.
the main problem with the eoc-med17 are the "rsa" and the rollin ' code, even between the 2 ecus are exactly the same hw and sw and easy that the above is different..
It would be to try to see where exactly are located the "keys" that the rollin ' code, and at that point manually intervene to exchange them from ecu to ecu,at least in theory..
In practice, however, according to me it is impossible to clonarle properly, or to act manually to fix the keys and rollin code as the first are embedded while the rollin ' code to its conformation varies with each start-up..
So the only solution is the total disabling of all..
Hello Munro, but then the dealership official vag that procedure shall take to remedy the problem for a new code if they have to replace an ecu? There is a special tool that reads areas that the normal programmers of the ecu that you are using does not read??Quote:
Originally Written by munro
I don't think that the dealer program the ecu with used or already programmed.. but a New, or Virgin, with the help of the Carpass to speak
Sure, I meant ecu new. Must also write a file above and just as they do with the rolling code?Quote:
Originally Written by cinqueturbo
Perhaps with the chassis have everything stored as for the key when the go to order new??Quote:
Originally Written by Errecinque
To know for sure you should ask someone who works in the dealership..
Certainly having everything virgin just insert the new information that is rollin code and RSA keys that are compatible to the new ecu
But for virgin you like to have a new hard disk to format??Quote:
Originally Written by munro
Something escapes me.....if I have a bk full of the ecu, because by copying it to a equal should not go? In bk I should have written everything is in the vin that rollin code etc
From what I've read here on the forum and around the EDC17 you have a area OTP means ONE TIME PROGRAMMABLE, that does not over-write and erase etc., and only the new..
Bravo cinqueturbo...
Surely the sequence of the time code is accepted from ecu is the RSA keys that are encrypted are in that area..
Excellent explanation.....so it works only the scodifica? That is in the "say" the ecu does not take account of what is written in that area? Sorry, but I'm trying to get there for degrees by thinking about your words, in fact you scodifiche are still at zero, but in the case bloccassi an ecu I want to be preparedQuote:
Originally Written by cinqueturbo
In practice it..
However, for cloning it is necessary to start from the ecu with same codes hw and sw so that you can proceed with the work..
I spoke with a colleague of mine (a mechanic that has a workshop of VW and has told me that even on the ECU the same as the hw and sw of the area the Otp can be present or not..
So it's a bit of a lottery..
Them to code or know if this area use the vag odys with a program schedule of online directly linked to Wolfsburg in Germany called Geko in practice by the number of the card they can trace all the content encoding of the framework tools,system Key kess and immobilizer..
According to the friend rollin code and rsa keys can be contained in the area Otp that has its time you can find or in the micro or in the e2p depending of hw and sw..
To you the conclusions..
I have followed with interest the discussion and I noticed a big lack of knowledge in general electronics.
like you all I use in my case, the galletto v54 master version, clone of high quality but his work does discrettamente and until now I have not had any problems.
And also true that as explained many times my experience and about a year or more....but not on the electronics....
The kiess say it shows more functionality, of course, depends on which version you take and I, as a clone to begin with, I don't want to spare no expense.
THE problem is always the same, the total lack of getting to know the electronics a bit more thoroughly, and how it works, maybe a eeporm or ep2, a flash memory or a cpu tricore!.
I don't read other that the tricore can not resume depending on the operzioni etc!...I believe....not with these programmers.
I have recovered different and this is because there are precisely the regions that are not readable, or better than, the programmers of the conventional movement called for cars they don't read but only at the behest of the producers, not for other reasons.
The first thing we have to clarify the question driver!.
The cock calls the selection of the ecu "select drivers" a programmer, who operates a number of chips not belonging specifically to the car ecu calls them "device" or "device". the difference....NO!
Not and so that the selection of the areas to read, rate, and some of the features according to the manufacturer.
For instance rooster and other programamtori, the more convezionali only read the maps, and in some cases also the e2p as the cock master, I have the opportunity to read falsh or e2p, and not always.
In the case of the reading of the flash where often lies the map depending on how we select the "driver" set the access mode for the flash and the address to read from to------>c
but it is not complete.....because the addresses range from to------->x ( not vglio use addresses ex and already complex).
The cloning of any ecu is only possible with the complete reading of the whole content of flash including the areas "protected!".
But not with the programmers of this type are more complex and bisongna know the access mode that the manufacturer in the datasheet that it has.
The only way, and to access them, and SPI (Serial Progam Interface). and a special software like this
https://www.pls-mc*****/flash-progra...ing-a-815.html
Of course, they are accompanied by the appropriate interface.
I often read that programmers like the willem are hardworking and often do not work, this is because there are 3 buttons "read" "load", "write" often and used to use!
Do not do it for who knows what reason but only that the more functions you have the more you make a mess!.
If you know a bit of electronics by setting it properly with the right addresses you can do this and more!!!!
We come to the file to end!....we extract binary code, and the only way, but you won't believe really that are programmed in the addresses ex?!!!....I hope that someone did not think of really!.
THE software to program the flash or IDE can be written in any language "C++","JAVA" etc.....where then is done by the compiler and switch them in 0 and 1.
The Concept of the operation is not different from writing a software with the compiler which will then be translated into binary code in order to activate the right doors and get the desired results.
From the washing machine to turn on a light bulb.
From the reading of an analogue sensor, to control a relay with uiscita digital and in turn converted to analog for transistro or the mosfet comes into conduction and triggers the built on or a motor starts.
here is not different.....
No lesson from a professor....just a bit of clarity....
Apart from the attitude with which you ask that are straightforward, it is not very pleasant (given the other discussions), I believe that no one is able to have in-depth knowledge in each sector. For example, you will be very good in the electronics and the components of the HW, but maybe you don't know recognize the curves of a map times inj or a torque limiter, etc, etc, and even change them to duty because you know electronics and not engine.Quote:
Originally Written by MustangGT
This is to say that the general forum have the purpose of exchanging info and methods between who knows what and who knows more than the other.
Instead of doing all is pappardella you would have had to explain, inherent to the discussion in question how to read and write the complete data of this ecu edc17cp14. Just UDE MEM TOOL, as you mentioned.... and what else? I electronics I have no knowledge, but if you read above I have the intuition that there is something hidden that the tool joint does not read, and I don't think it would take a genius to figure it out.
Let's try to explain.Quote:
Originally Written by Errecinque
----> I don't want to be a explanation unpleasant.
----> assultamente true, they are not able to recognize for the most part the curves of a map, in fact I don't make maps, starting now from a few months to do the erg and fap only because I've studied the operations, with an experienced mechanic on my side who knows the engines is giving me a hand, but not only that , I'll have to find 1 month's time and invest the money to make specific courses even if they are not interested at the moment to the maps.
Also because in my part the best that you ask and have a bit of extra boost on overtaking, I'm not going to make race cars, need years of experience.
----> And true, I'm not going light and my fault but I prefer to be direct and say what I think, then, if there are users who you offend I'm sorry, but perhaps my being direct helps to think sometimes before you make a mess.
----> Who knows the engine and has at least the basics of electronics....but the basics basics + and -, and functions as a semiconductor continuous to not be able to explain how that always goes well.
The guides tell you the procedures....but not how to fix it if something goes wrong from here, one of the many reasons why I don't make maps, and do not talk until I have learned something serious no strings ex. made if you find somewhere.
Not so that works for me....I need to know what I'm doing that I adjust the bit address or the former and elmina a fap etc
I admire those who do it manually, and I assume that you know what is facnendo both ****llo practical than theoretical since the work can and what I read also quite clean.
---->very bad you should......know how to work a e2p or a flash helps you to understand, first of all, how it works, what you are doing and how we can remedy in the event of problems.Quote:
and what else? I electronic not I have knowledge
----> In the case of this ecu it said how to do it.
For who, but the less practical the sugerrimento of hugo boss and more that valid better scodifica of replacement.
If then you have a different map you can attempt an extraction of a map from a chip and put it one over the other by recalculating the checksum....sometimes it goes sometimes not hugo boss full reason.
Before you start the machine again with the basic process then think about the rest....if you do one and get it wrong you lose the head, we stay weeks, the customer is upset, and even if risovi not see more without counting as a result of the bad publicity.
For the ecu, those virgins are actually already pre-programmed, they do not arrive at the dealer with the falsh empty because the cpu must be programmed with an interpreter, the binary file orginiale converted, and above all the boot files you need to the same cpu to interpret the data that come from the interpreter, as explained above....and complex how do I tell you how to do it if you have no knowledge of electronics and computer science?.....
I figured if the house sends you an ecu empty.
It should provide you with a complete binary I have a the original file with the boot to accept the data of the interpreter with which it was written.....those files would be around in half a day on the web!.
I hope I have clarified and I apologize if I was misunderstood.
Sorry mustang GT, but where I said things inaccuracies? Or better, where is that well-known big gaps in the mail? Seen your expertise in the field, however, I would be happy if intervenissi or better if you could give a hand in my attempt to learn how to disassemble a binary file..
There is a three to where I talked about it have you ever seen that together you find the quadra..
Let me know what you think of there..
Hello
I am attaching the link of the tread
http://www.professionalchiptuning.ne...cu-vt9202.html
Best answer you could give. GreatQuote:
Originally Written by munro
I don't understand your cheer........mahQuote:
Originally Written by Errecinque
Ec, who and more practical, but only this......that is not bad but doing things without knowing the meaning or what you are doing in my opinion and a serious mistake.
I see so many users and not only here that one fine day you wake up, and with 4 photos and 2 links to do the jobs, on the customers!!!....and this is what I mean!.
I explained to the gaps above, and not directly to someone but in general....and not all narutalmente.
to respond to munro perhaps I have not explained well, I will try again.
computer science does not necessarily mean that you are a programmer.....I am also interested in that, I do not have problems I have enough knowledge and experience to program any chip with any language from c++ to java to the assembly first in the language with which they are programmed the ecu to older and hard to digest.
the problem is exactly as I explained above, and that the ide with which they are programmed allows for the conversion from the language of the interpreter(for us comprensibilie) to convert into binary.
now that I know it is not possible I know a way to double the sense that the binary you can convert this back into a language interpreter even if I had the ide, and understand the language with which it was programmed.
applies to all flash, not only those ecu's including pic, avr etc
The only way, and have the source written in interpreter language, and from them obtain an ide of your own, or maybe have a copy of those used.
To see me explain in a better way.....Arduino......the same concept........the pic......mainly use the assemby but from few years the ide using the c++ and still others, the java.
Then we try to understand....I never said knowing how to interpret 0 and 1 .....assilutamente......my speech is very different.
returning to the cloning of ecu I repeat....the only way, and with the special programmer where it is possible to extract the complete binary.
If I had the ide and I knew esattenzza with what language the case of the car, or just program the chip, I would have shared willingly.
The fact that the programmer coast and not a little.
I have little interest in it, to use for my current projects and a tricore would be like having a I7 to write with word.
now I have seen the conversation that you've opened and tranky says to be able to do what he says.
your richiete in that post are legitimate, it seems that ascii is not a language but maybe tranky and has knowledge of the system to convert from binaro code interpreter with which it was written.
Perhaps I say perhaps a clue to the basis would be able to understand from the boot to which the interpreter matches.....if an editor acii and written in the clear, but if and fragmented, I find it difficult to.
but if the idea of tranky and this would be a starting point.....but I see very uphill.
here I see 4 different things blend into one.....and do not share it.Quote:
doing a summary: to have XYZ is equivalent to having a driver/damos interpreter of the file only encodes that the damos/driver interprets the ID, the"XYZ" would play the entire composition of the file.ecu
To conclude, the initiative of your post there are other things to see...***** and it was written and converted on the chip and which instructions takes and if and encrypted.....it always comes back to the datasheet of the chip to be treated....
doing a summary: to have XYZ is equivalent to having a driver/damos interpreter of the file only encodes that the damos/driver interprets the ID, the"XYZ" would play the entire composition of the file.ecu
dimeticavo this statement.
the so-called drivers are another thing....and totally wrong.......
as explained above, the programmers of the ecu called "driver" the selection of the ecu, and the other in English, "select device", the ones translated "select device" which is not another, as explained above
a setting of the communication access address and the read end of the chip to be treated, frequency etc
then
for me, it has meaning and has nothing to do.Quote:
drivers/damos interpreter
and another thing that the center with to converitire by binary interpreter language.Quote:
file encoding
the other thing that does not center the nineteQuote:
the"XYZ" would play the entire composition of the file.ecu
a mixture of things that don't make sense with the request of munro
why don't we start with what is a digital signal, a signal pmw, the frequencies of the work?
prejudice to the edc17 or med 17 that I know you can clone because areas otp only thing you can do immo off or on the flash or in the eeprom according to the ecu
The success or otherwise of the operation depends on many variables, however, there is an atrezzo, which is the area OTP write and EDC17CP14 VAG with the clone successfully.
I personally code bosch hand same hw, same sw both EDC17CP14 3.2 (Easytronic Bosch) Cloned with KTAG car will not start.
Scodificato the second the car started.
Finally did the DTC off, DTC 1543 (a memory code P) vanished, the glow plugs and the warning light immo.
Only drawback was not the part of the KM.