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After an ordeal that lasted several days, I managed to unlock the situation unit, with another programmer.
Here is the map that I have written on my ecu.
Would it be possible to have an opinion, even to be able to try to make some changes independently?
you could stay in that topic anyway,I'll have a look
Thank you.
I'd like to learn how to make small changes in autonomy.
Without continuing to break it to third parties....
Here is the file ori:
Then, in expectation of the programmer to the control unit, which in the short should get home, I tried to make a map, with two changes. Nothing of that; closing the Egr, raising the idle speed, change to the management of the swirl to leave them open, and switch off the probe Dpf. For the latter I have not touched anything else.
Even why? not s? where to put hands.
If someone wants to give it a look, at least to understand if the changes that I did not have gross errors.
The other parameters were not changed.
I started from the original file ? the attachment in the post previous to this one.
The ecu ? a Edc16C39 Alfa 159 1,9 Jtdm 160-252.
Can anyone tell me if the changes are correct?
the swirl you have to flatten them for good,clear +/- when you bring those maps to a minimum,switch off the dpf I've not seen it sincerely, and I do not think there is
Ok thanks Sports.
About the whole, and refer back if ? the case.
Cos? I learn to edit correctly curves, before making pastrocchi.
Tonight playing with the Ecm, I realized a few things....
Regarding the Dpf, in addition to the Swich-off, there are other curves from the tap?
My ? a 160-252, and reading several have complained about the blockage to 1000% defappando.
Begins to do with time or the ecu salt, then I'll show you how to remove the clogging, the egr was still ok
Hello.
I finished off the curves that I have indicated.
If you want to re-take a look.... I also redid the switch-off of the dpf.
I have not tried the file with Ecusafe or Volta, why? I noticed a thing:
but ? normal that after you made a change with Ecm to the characteristic curves, I find myself a spot on the map retouched; that you fail to put ori?
If you look at the 2D and the file that I modified, to the address 1FDF9C, c'? a variation that I have not done.
Even why? if my Ecm combines casini unwanted ? useless that I continue to use it....
Sorry for the double question, but I noticed the discrepancy while I was writing....
If someone else wants to intervene, I'm all ears.
Here is the file with the curves set up and switch-off.
I am attaching the file, tried with EcuSafe 2.0 .
No one answers?
Possible that there is no one to give a look?
As you f? to learn without corrections?
It is useless to read pages of discussion, if in the first map posted, not c'? the soul that responds.
Hello Simon, I can't see your map due to the fact that I have a few messages to? I am very interested since? ? just that I'm trying to understand the units of jtd engines, and then the EDC16C39 is one of my interest of study. Can I ask you a courtesy or to the address 1CBD2A of a unit that I have seen (159-150 hp) c'? the torque limiter, and I think that is pi? or less them to you for? maybe not exactly to via the fact that pu? be that the number of hw-sw is different, however the ec I want to ask you ? the place that the original values are :
0 0
400 0
410 3000
990 3000
1000 1900
1250 2400
1500 3050
1750 3580
2000 3700
2250 3680
2500 3670
2750 3640
3000 3640
3250 3570
3500 3490
3750 3380
4000 3180
4250 3020
4500 2800
4750 2620
5100 810
5250 0
5500 0
5750 0
6000 0
you how you have changed?
Hello Switing.
You ? the torque limiter maximum, I find it the most? next to the address 1CBE6A.
In a map that I am trying to do, the increase I gave to the curve of the torque limiter ? of 13.3%, but starting from 2000 rpm to 5000.
For? you have to also increase the pedal map, which you find to be the very first of that address.
You still have to hand the map?
Hi Simon, the map I have in my hands ? an original map without any modification so I guess that is identical to your original apart from a few very small difference between the address and use it for study and comparison with other maps, such as for example that of the 147 150 Hp and the cos? via.
I to study some maps (I am a beginner in the very early weapons, and at the moment I try to understand what's the use of the individual maps, and how to interact with one another, I never made no changes from true to speak), I built a model on excel sheet (I don't know if it is the best system to use?), however with this system I do simulations to understand the results that I want to get for this I asked you how you have changed the torque limiter, certainly then you should not change the map the pedal but I would do it in a second moment as a function of the value at which just the couple, I mean if, for example, at 4000 rpm I ask 360 Nm in the map to pedal them to put? a value of slightly more? high even if many do the opposite and depart from the driver's wish, and then change the rest. However, by changing the torque curve as you say (+13% from the 2000 rpm) I get these values so to speak
0 0
400 0
410 3000
990 3000
1000 1900
1250 2400
1500 3050
1750 3580
2000 4181
2250 4158
2500 4147
2750 4113
3000 4113
3250 4034
3500 3944
3750 3819
4000 3593
4250 3413
4500 3164
4750 2961
5100 915
5250 0
5500 0
5750 0
6000 0
and then you wonder what power objective you have set as a target, why? according to my model cos? you should get about 170/175 Hp at a speed of between 4000 and 4250 rpm and a torque of 360/370 Nm. Then transforming the pair into the deal? injected with his special map (like the one in the 147 and Juliet) would have between about 1800 and 3500 rpm a deal? superior to 80mm3 with a peak close to 90 at 2000 rpm. You think you make a map informed or deceived? I ask you this why? if it were a map informed I'm afraid that you have to change the map of the “injection duration” why? if ? as that of the 147 the table stops 80 mm3 (this ecu ? from the very little that I started to watch it and I still have not found the map corresponding to that of the EDC16c8.
Sorry if I made you a lot of questions but I'm trying to learn something.
Here I am....
Then going to degrees, there are limiters diesel to unlock; not making it all the rest ? compartment.
With regard to the torque limiter, I have done the opposite.
Assuming you have unlocked the limiters up to 85mm3 of diesel.
Visit to see the map "deal? fuel injected"; to 2500 rpm and 400nm match 82,90 mm3.
Then in the map to the pedal by selecting the check boxes from 2500 to 5000giri and starting from 50-60% up to 100,10% increase in percentage. Up to find that at 2500 rpm at 100% you have 410 nm as the value.
Then increases the torque limiter maximum result, holding a hair more? high.
There are also two other torque limiters, one for 1st and one for 2nd gear.
Are up if you want pi? starting from a standstill.
I have a goal of power, I only care to learn a little more?.
And try to be autonomous. So I am speaking only on my car, I do not care I want to do the other ones.
For now, I will just touch on a few things.
It takes time and many small tests, to understand how the engine changes. Trying not to damage.
Certainly, for? the limiters for diesel I would use to calibrate according to the torque value that I set in the map “torque limiter”.Quote:
Originally Written by Simone
If I decide for example to have 410 Nm of torque at 2000 rpm and the conversion table torque on the diesel is giving me the value 87,12mm3 (really? not to me, why? I on a axis the value 400 and 450 and then the value corresponding to the 410 I have to obtain by interpolation between 83,90mm3 torque 400Nm and 100,00mm3 value reported in the table for torque 450 Nm) so at this point regolerei the limiter does not 85 but at least 87,5mm3 otherwise ? useless to have set to 2000 rpm and a request 410 Nm why? then I'm going to cut it, might as well use a value of pi? low and require only 403,4 Nm, which correspond to 84,99mm3
Ok, but if you have 13% higher than the original value of the torque at 2500 rpm ? 3670 get 4147 and 2500 rpm correspond to 86,93mm3, then or ? too, an increase of 13%, or ? little limit to 85mm3Quote:
Originally Written by Simone
I would do the opposite, once you have established the value for the torque limiter suppose to 414,7 Nm holding onto a hair more? the top on the driver's wish, for example, 4200.Quote:
Originally Written by Simone
From the original at 100% pedal pressure you have the driver wish to 2500 rpm set at 3872 that the torque limiter corrects to 3670, then the torque limiter to restrict must be pi? the bottom of the request pedal.
I have unlocked 85mm3, as the maximum value that I have set for myself.
The map of pedal, and all the torque you want at the moment.
I believe that the value will increase to the peak, only when lunges all, and you're in an overboost.
Then you have to see if those 85mm3 that are injected, may be more?, like less.
That's why? I prefer to put a hair more? the top of the Torque Limiter by a certain regime.
Then ? all the discourse of the trials, up to find the best mapping for the engine; that reagir? unlike a similar one.
Good evening to all, first of all congratulations for the discussion, very interesting, first of all, simon, the one change that you find in 2d that thou hast done ? simply the correction of the checksum, then the rest according to me you should put a limit on the max torque that you want to have and consequently change the rest.
Hello Jared, and thank you for being involved in the discussion.
I didn't know the changes made by the Ecm, opened in the correction of the checksum, I had to get there. Thanks!!!
In fact, to put a goal on the max amount? of diesel to be delivered I find this very important; both in regard to the condition in which ? the mechanics of the car, and its use.
Then by l? you part to fix the rest. Sure it takes time and many trials.
And with those tests, touching one thing at a time to see the behavior of the engine and its response buying experience.
Then c'? to understand where and how to edit the maps, I st? studying the damos to find all the maps you need
In the network there are several discussions, with some suggestions on what to change.
I still have the chance? to see the attachments, and sometimes even in front of the right address in the map, doesn't it ? cos? easy to understand what and how much to change.
But the lion's share, as written above, after the theory are the small tests with a diagnosis in hand.
What model of car do you own?
159 150 hp �
Okkk......
Hi Simon I wanted to ask you, since I cannot see the file, if you made changes to the map of the injection times that that has on one axis the pressure and on the other the amount? of diesel oil you want to inject. I do not know the EDC16c39 (I'm searching a little bit now), but on c8 the maximum injectable ? 80mm3 (why? the times you stop them and to go further we need to rescale and calculate everything) and I was wondering if also on the c39 to the limit stops 80 or ? pi? high.
I also like this method, or "draw the torque curve" and then change the rest in the function of thisQuote:
Originally Written by jared_poe
*simone, sorry you do this question, as you have set the maximum pressure of the turbo?
Hello.
2550 hPa.
The same value from the map of the 147 Ducati Corse, I think that will go over with the turbine series is not convenient for the duration of the same although I think the 159 mountains a slightly different version.
The turbine of the 159 ? fairly delicate, and does not like to be piccate to 1.6 bar.
I'm doing a bit of testing, but today, unfortunately, the pc has decided you move on to a better life; then they are released with no diagnosis. Knowing the value read on the pressure gauge on the dashboard.
I think that will have? lower a hair the diesel and the turbo.
Perhaps 85mm3 with turbo stock are a little' tantini.
Wait a minute, the values in that map are the maximum values you can reach the ecu, doesn't it ? that tot laps you've always tot Nm in any conditionQuote:
Originally Written by switing63
It is certain that the value of Nm I get tot laps, but only in the condition of maximum pressure to the gas pedal, of course, not in all conditions, being a limiter ? the maximum possible that I do not intend to exceed. Perhaps I express myself badly, but what I wanted to say ? that if, in theory, I establish that to 4000 rpm with the gas pedal pressed to the 100% I want to as a maximum torque of 360 Nm, I go then to see the conversion table torque/diesel, and this to me indicates that for that value the amount? to be injected to the hypothesis ? 70mm3 setter? the limiter of the diesel, for example, to 70.5 mm3 in such a way that then actually I inject the whole amount? of diesel that I set as a goal.Quote:
Originally Written by jared_poe
Are you sure that you're injecting 85mm3? I say this because? if the time of the map "duration" are calculated up to 80mm3 as it happens in the edc16c8, really? for requests over 80mm3 the map returns values in microseconds are always the same and coincident with the times of 80mm3 thus, in practice ? as if there was a further limiter that blocks 80. I don't know if they are clear. However, to me, 85 mm3 to me seem to be so many, I I would begin with a limit pi? low to example 75, and then I would try to grow gradually.Quote:
Originally Written by Simone
Are you sure that you're injecting 85mm3? I say this because? if the time of the map "duration" are calculated up to 80mm3 as it happens in the edc16c8, really? for requests over 80mm3 the map returns values in microseconds are always the same and coincident with the times of 80mm3 thus, in practice ? as if there was a further limiter that blocks 80. I don't know if they are clear. However, to me, 85 mm3 to me seem to be so many, I I would begin with a limit pi? low to example 75, and then I would try to grow gradually.Quote:
Originally Written by Simone
Hello.
I raised the limiter diesel from 77 to 85 mm3.
The last test that I had done with the diagnosis attached to it, gave me as a value 85,33 mm3 of diesel oil as quantity? the maximum injected.
But as I said earlier, maybe I'm too much with stock components.
Even if you don't ? never the tablet with the gas.
Test with an intermediate value between 77 and 85, for example 81.
I lowered the turbo and limiters.
Then I gave a look at the map the pedal.
Today I try again with the diagnosis connected.
As the quantity? diesel, I wanted to keep it 85mm3 as the maximum value.
I have to try also the advances, many of those who had first smoked a bit at full load.
The advance payments you had prior to then were those not ori, they were already? modified? I know for? with 85mm3 and a turbo pressure lowered, the fumosit? not the very best. Excuse a question, but to 4000 rpm and it's currently how much ? set the torque limiter and the turbo pressure?