Giulietta 2.0 170

Hello to all, I think I have posted yesterday a post that seems to not be pi? this, then, try again to expose a problem that I have with the following the car.Now I can say I know well the edc16, especially the c39, on this for? although I have all the limiters diesel lifted, the lambda lowered that limit, I don't find the deal? diesel and I. From the map I ask 100mm3, the first problem ? that diagnosis over the 90mm3 about the iq must be in the negative, and read-98mm3, and I can't understand why? this, with maps from 90mm3 was not the case, I also do not understand why? it never gets to 100 just, but always 2-3 mm3 in less. Now we come to the main problem, after the 3500 begins to limit the iq, although it should by the various limiters and lambda. Size 85mm3 about fixed, especially from the fourth, of course, the limiters for gear have also been a mod but the problem does not change. What's even more? strange ? that raising the map conversion Nm-iq limited for even less, about 75-80mm3 about. Now, this problem on the 159 with the same engine, and the map is practically identical does not create this problem, the only differences that I found are the maps immediately after the maps pedal. On the 159 are all at 0, both the first two and the following two, on the giulietta, however, are not to 0, on-axis in the first two we find km/h and % throttle and in the map we find the Kw as the value, which comes to a maximum of 150kw. On the two maps still following, who have smepre a similar name, we have % pedal (I seem to remember) and the gear engaged. now in this we have 0-1 and 2-speed gearbox, which are raised to 260-300nm, the curves after are 0. Also the latest maps on the 159 are at 0. May be this series of maps that limit? I'm going crazy why? I can't find anything else that would limit and I would like your opinion.
Thanks to you all for your helpfulness

why don't you try ccopiando that of the 159 and setting it to 0 the differences that you find...

Hi Angelo, you can in fact try? also cos? by putting to 0 the maps why? I've tried everything but continue to limit.

if you say that c and the part that is limited to 260-300 nm...and possibly the one with the problem

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Originally Written by angelolsp

if you say that c and the part that is limited to 260-300 nm...and possibly the one with the problem

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Those 260-300nm I gi? try to raise to 500nm, but then from the third gear are 0 from the ori much, so I don't think I have those.
The other maps with the Kw, I also lift up to 180kw, but did not ? served to nothing. The only ? try to put everything to 0 as the 159, even if according to me c'? and for this reason, I wanted an opinion from others who have already? made (to be informed with the most? of 90mm3)

try to reset then even if I think there is something else..

Tried to reset the maps and touch other things, but nothing restricts more the fourth. The first seems not to have the time needed then it will be? a few bit strange. I'm going crazy but I****.

Hi jack, I wanted to ask you info about this ecu, because in the family ? I got a. Compared to my GT edc16c39 that good or bad, I think I see juliet ever edc16c39 it seems to me completely different. Compared to my the various maps I seem to be totally different, and at first glance I can't find the same management that I had on my GT. I just have to search better, or actually despite edc16c39 change?

The management ? the same. For? something breaks after the 3500 and the ago limit.

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Originally Written by jacktheripper2

The management ? the same. For? something breaks after the 3500 and the ago limit.

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In fact, looking good I think I have recovered the location of several maps, I was fooled by the ECM that many of the things the calls in a different way than the GT.
I seem to have found out driver 3 maps for the limiter IQ and 4 for the lambda could be?

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Originally Written by GPoint

In fact, looking good I think I have recovered the location of several maps, I was fooled by the ECM that many of the things the calls in a different way than the GT.
I seem to have found out driver 3 maps for the limiter IQ and 4 for the lambda could be?

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You exact. The Iq limiters are always the same for? if you trust the driver of the Ecm is not good why? so much wrong all over. You have to scroll all over the map in 2d to understand it well and find everything

You're right, looking at the BP of the various maps nothing do to with what you see from the driver. At most I use it to retrieve the addresses of some of the maps.

Hello, at the end you have solved the problem of the 85mm3? I am also in the same situation. Most of what I can not, even if it is from the map I require a little more.

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Originally Written by GPoint

Hello, at the end you have solved the problem of the 85mm3? I am also in the same situation. Most of what I can not, even if it is from the map I require a little more.

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Resolved for over a year, but they are not solutions that do I'm sorry.

Not a problem, and rightly so I understand your choice. It means that if I don't find solutions I will be enough 85mm3 :-) even if after the 3500rpm down a little bit.
Thanks anyway

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Originally Written by jacktheripper2

Resolved for over a year, but they are not solutions that do I'm sorry.

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good spirit of collaboration. "applause"

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Originally Written by tranky

good spirit of collaboration. "applause"

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Originally Written by jacktheripper2

Resolved for over a year, but they are not solutions that do I'm sorry.

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Hi Jack, I don't want to have the solution, but if you expose a couple of questions, could you tell me your thought about it?

I trove the map that pertain to advances, which are 5 in sequence, where the first 3 and the last scalatate to 80, and the fourth (I think a post injection) scaled to 85. By doing all the calculations between degrees of advance and duration of injection, I noticed that the rpm 3750 with iq higher than 70, the phase of fuel injection that starts monstrously to be paid in advance. To name just a few:

At 3000 RPM I have a advance for IQ of 80 is about 14 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 19 degrees.
To 3750 RPM, I have an advance for IQ of 80 to about 22.5 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 21 degrees.
At 4000 RPM I get a advance for IQ of 85 to around 28 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 22\23 degrees.

I think I have calculated well the various conversions, if so it may be that the injection is thus anticipated to end at 4\6 degrees before TDC after the after the 3500 RPM for the high IQ? So my problem IQ limited it might be caused by this factor or simply there are maps that limit?

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Originally Written by tranky

good spirit of collaboration. "applause"

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I'm sorry but when one of us slams the head months and months trying to figure out what can be then do not disclose online to the first if not all would be able to do every thing you want in the maps..thing that doesn't seem very correct for the people who work there every day..

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Originally Written by GPoint

Hi Jack, I don't want to have the solution, but if you expose a couple of questions, could you tell me your thought about it?

I trove the map that pertain to advances, which are 5 in sequence, where the first 3 and the last scalatate to 80, and the fourth (I think a post injection) scaled to 85. By doing all the calculations between degrees of advance and duration of injection, I noticed that the rpm 3750 with iq higher than 70, the phase of fuel injection that starts monstrously to be paid in advance. To name just a few:

At 3000 RPM I have a advance for IQ of 80 is about 14 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 19 degrees.
To 3750 RPM, I have an advance for IQ of 80 to about 22.5 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 21 degrees.
At 4000 RPM I get a advance for IQ of 85 to around 28 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 22\23 degrees.

I think I have calculated well the various conversions, if so it may be that the injection is thus anticipated to end at 4\6 degrees before TDC after the after the 3500 RPM for the high IQ? So my problem IQ limited it might be caused by this factor or simply there are maps that limit?

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Make a log from the stock by selecting the engine rpm, iq main, advance, main and times main injection and you will see well how it works.. However, at 4000 rpm it ends up good or bad at the tdc and just after the 4000 start to finish before tdc

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Originally Written by jacktheripper2

Make a log from the stock by selecting the engine rpm, iq main, advance, main and times main injection and you will see well how it works.. However, at 4000 rpm it ends up good or bad at the tdc and just after the 4000 start to finish before tdc

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On my I have 5 maps, the last 4 BP related to IQ are 65 70 75 80. To 70x4000Rpm has advance of 23.5 for a duration of 20, 70x4250Rpm has advance 27, for duration of 21. Going up the last 2 BP (75 and 80) at 4000Rpm I advance of 28 and then from the pb to the previous (3750Rpm begins to climb). The original you are right to say that those rides do not get to more than 70. Anyway, I redid the advances since the 80\85 IQ to get there, at least up to the fourth gear, and, in fact, to equal the IQ of the motor to me seems to rise more quickly. I just went to change where the advance payments were very high, trying to keep me more or less 1\2 degrees before TDC. I don't know if it is correct, as the logic I took inspiration from the map Ori my GT 1900 where the advances ended up about a couple of degrees before TDC, and reading some very interesting discussions on the forum, where you spoke. I hope that as the logic is correct, I would not like to break the engine.

For the fact that the machine limits in the fifth and sixth, I'm doing logs and testing on the maps lambda and on some maps after the request torque to the pedal, I gave a look to that of a 159 with the same engine and I have seen some differences. It seems that in the lower gears do not have the time limit, instead of the more long you. Also, it seems to me (I'm not 100% sure) that the limits of a particular IQ, in fact, in a map that I had as the limit of 85 I restricted to 75 to about 4000Rpm. In another test where I set up the 90 I restricted to 80, but I'm not sure. Can't i do log every day, and perhaps a certain condition changes.

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Originally Written by GPoint

On my I have 5 maps, the last 4 BP related to IQ are 65 70 75 80. To 70x4000Rpm has advance of 23.5 for a duration of 20, 70x4250Rpm has advance 27, for duration of 21. Going up the last 2 BP (75 and 80) at 4000Rpm I advance of 28 and then from the pb to the previous (3750Rpm begins to climb). The original you are right to say that those rides do not get to more than 70. Anyway, I redid the advances since the 80\85 IQ to get there, at least up to the fourth gear, and, in fact, to equal the IQ of the motor to me seems to rise more quickly. I just went to change where the advance payments were very high, trying to keep me more or less 1\2 degrees before TDC. I don't know if it is correct, as the logic I took inspiration from the map Ori my GT 1900 where the advances ended up about a couple of degrees before TDC, and reading some very interesting discussions on the forum, where you spoke. I hope that as the logic is correct, I would not like to break the engine.

For the fact that the machine limits in the fifth and sixth, I'm doing logs and testing on the maps lambda and on some maps after the request torque to the pedal, I gave a look to that of a 159 with the same engine and I have seen some differences. It seems that in the lower gears do not have the time limit, instead of the more long you. Also, it seems to me (I'm not 100% sure) that the limits of a particular IQ, in fact, in a map that I had as the limit of 85 I restricted to 75 to about 4000Rpm. In another test where I set up the 90 I restricted to 80, but I'm not sure. Can't i do log every day, and perhaps a certain condition changes.

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Try to make a log ori, with the advances and you'll see the degrees of the real you. However, your reasoning must be good and quiet, not breaking the engine, especially with the iq, the maps after the pedal, the power torque curves, it seems to me.. you can also put them to 0.. not active.

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Originally Written by jacktheripper2

Try to make a log ori, with the advances and you'll see the degrees of the real you. However, your reasoning must be good and quiet, not breaking the engine, especially with the iq, the maps after the pedal, the power torque curves, it seems to me.. you can also put them to 0.. not active.

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In these days the heir permitting, I should try some changes on the lambda and I'll try to do here log with map golds for the advance payments. However, already reading the various maps it is clear that in the areas set in advance at 28 degrees we will never :-)
Comparing my map with that of the 159 the same engine, I saw a map that identifies it as a torque limiter to the wheel, it works in the negative, but is active? Or is needed for ABS, VDC... and company?

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Originally Written by jacktheripper2

Try to make a log ori, with the advances and you'll see the degrees of the real you. However, your reasoning must be good and quiet, not breaking the engine, especially with the iq, the maps after the pedal, the power torque curves, it seems to me.. you can also put them to 0.. not active.

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Those curves and them after the maps pedal (a map without a BP, and that the damos croma does not report the description right? I have seen moddate into the files of the illustrious preparers (including one paid for mine when I still did not know what it was a map), I confirm that you do not need to anything?

exactly the same problem on a giulietta 2.0 170cv edc16c39
classic limiters iq unlocked (speed , water temperature , engine speed , conditions , etc.)
lim torque rise , pedal ditto , but in 5a and 6a limit always seems to return the original
while up to 3 you hear a huge difference compared to the original...
I have made several log and here is what comes out

the map nm/mm3 is already informed that stock at 4000 rpm and 400nm should give 80mm3, and also that at 4500 rpm, with 400nm must give even 95mm3


now I have these requests in the pedal - values of the limiter - conversion nm/mm3 (iq/nm request) - the values read from the log - gear 3a - 4a - 5a

3000rpm = 425nm - 410nm ---> 85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)85mm3 - (5a) no
3500rpm = 415nm - 410nm ---> 85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)85mm3 - (5a)83mm3
4000rpm = 400nm - 412nm ---> the 83-85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)77mm3 - (5a)74mm3
4500rpm = 430nm - 430nm ---> 95mm3 - (3a)66mm3 - (4a)65mm3 - (5a)63mm3

I hope the schema is clear , then the engine rpm , the value of the pedal , the value of the limiter torque conversion nm/iq - values read from the log in the various gears (3a-4a-5a)
as you can see, it limits frightfully from the 5th onwards , in fact from the impression of being firm
it is almost 1 year that I throw in now , but does not come ac****I put also the file ori and mod with which I read those values
I hope to get ac**** I did a lavorone me in 2d all the maps are in , the various limiters iq according to the conditions etc etc

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Originally Written by bmw320cd

exactly the same problem on a giulietta 2.0 170cv edc16c39
classic limiters iq unlocked (speed , water temperature , engine speed , conditions , etc.)
lim torque rise , pedal ditto , but in 5a and 6a limit always seems to return the original
while up to 3 you hear a huge difference compared to the original...
I have made several log and here is what comes out

the map nm/mm3 is already informed that stock at 4000 rpm and 400nm should give 80mm3, and also that at 4500 rpm, with 400nm must give even 95mm3


now I have these requests in the pedal - values of the limiter - conversion nm/mm3 (iq/nm request) - the values read from the log - gear 3a - 4a - 5a

3000rpm = 425nm - 410nm ---> 85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)85mm3 - (5a) no
3500rpm = 415nm - 410nm ---> 85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)85mm3 - (5a)83mm3
4000rpm = 400nm - 412nm ---> the 83-85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)77mm3 - (5a)74mm3
4500rpm = 430nm - 430nm ---> 95mm3 - (3a)66mm3 - (4a)65mm3 - (5a)63mm3

I hope the schema is clear , then the engine rpm , the value of the pedal , the value of the limiter torque conversion nm/iq - values read from the log in the various gears (3a-4a-5a)
as you can see, it limits frightfully from the 5th onwards , in fact from the impression of being firm
it is almost 1 year that I throw in now , but does not come ac****I put also the file ori and mod with which I read those values
I hope to get ac**** I did a lavorone me in 2d all the maps are in , the various limiters iq according to the conditions etc etc

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I also resolved shortly, despite all the limiters you mentioned, the various requests to the pedal, lim, torque and lambda, in the higher gears continues to limit.

I have downloaded again the file but what kind of mod are you doing? Deceived or Informed?

for the informed, there is a discussion that maybe you can give a hand http://www.professionalchiptuning.ne...jt-vt9799.html

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Originally Written by cinqueturbo

I have downloaded again the file but what kind of mod are you doing? Deceived or Informed?

for the informed, there is a discussion that maybe you can give a hand http://www.professionalchiptuning.ne...jt-vt9799.html

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informed informed... in times inj are already rescaled up to 100mm3 , then we don't need to trick anything to make it go...
and then I would only need to keep 80-85mm3 in 5th and 6th gear and I would be already satisfied to the highest...
in fact, in the 1a-2a-3a-4a, the difference you notice with respect to the file .ori , but in 5a and 6a back to the original , to witness the iq that falls dramatically...

I've given it a deep read in that thread indicated by r5... but nothing "new" found...
the limiters iq that has touched him , are the same that I touched I ... at least so I think , surely there will be something that I do not find or do not attenziono , but I can not find it...

Unlocked all the bits about the IQ.. Done several times as you say without result.. as soon as I sbroccato and I did the test from the crazy, the car was flying... There are limiters scattered also (I think) on the maps to zero with only the BP. Changing everything is unlocked and no damage.

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Originally Written by bmw320cd

informed informed... in times inj are already rescaled up to 100mm3 , then we don't need to trick anything to make it go...
and then I would only need to keep 80-85mm3 in 5th and 6th gear and I would be already satisfied to the highest...
in fact, in the 1a-2a-3a-4a, the difference you notice with respect to the file .ori , but in 5a and 6a back to the original , to witness the iq that falls dramatically...

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when a man with the ECU informed meets a man with the ECU Deceived, the one with the ECU informed is a beaten man.. Sergio Leone ;)

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Originally Written by Errecinque

Those curves and them after the maps pedal (a map without a BP, and that the damos croma does not report the description right? I have seen moddate into the files of the illustrious preparers (including one paid for mine when I still did not know what it was a map), I confirm that you do not need to anything?

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I'm sorry if I answered more.. no many preparatory to the touch but no use that map immediately after the pedal

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Originally Written by GPoint

In these days the heir permitting, I should try some changes on the lambda and I'll try to do here log with map golds for the advance payments. However, already reading the various maps it is clear that in the areas set in advance at 28 degrees we will never :-)
Comparing my map with that of the 159 the same engine, I saw a map that identifies it as a torque limiter to the wheel, it works in the negative, but is active? Or is needed for ABS, VDC... and company?

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The friction torque can also pave 0.. not used to anything

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Originally Written by tranky

Unlocked all the bits about the IQ.. Done several times as you say without result.. as soon as I sbroccato and I did the test from the crazy, the car was flying... There are limiters scattered also (I think) on the maps to zero with only the BP. Changing everything is unlocked and no damage.

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I'm sorry but you're wrong..it's not the solution.. post a log with injected 95mm3 to 5000, for example, in the fifth gear.

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Originally Written by bmw320cd

informed informed... in times inj are already rescaled up to 100mm3 , then we don't need to trick anything to make it go...
and then I would only need to keep 80-85mm3 in 5th and 6th gear and I would be already satisfied to the highest...
in fact, in the 1a-2a-3a-4a, the difference you notice with respect to the file .ori , but in 5a and 6a back to the original , to witness the iq that falls dramatically...

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If you need 80-85mm3.. unlock all to 100mm3. Pedal to 500nm, lim iq 100mm3.. and you'll get your 80-85mm3 that you like, with the higher gears (if the lambda imposed).

Personally, the only things that have not yet managed to resolve on my giulietta are:
Make sure that the dynamic can be even more than 110km/h
Read more than 98mm3 about diagnosis (beyond this iq goes into negative diagnosis, also if it injects what, I ask, by controlling the timing of fuel injection that uses).
Currently has 260cv and 550nm with the turbine original premium. With the original turbo, I came to 230cv about.

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Originally Written by cinqueturbo

when a man with the ECU informed meets a man with the ECU Deceived, the one with the ECU informed is a beaten man.. Sergio Leone ;)

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Ahahahha.
Do you know how to distinguish the two in the crowd?

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Originally Written by jacktheripper2

If you need 80-85mm3.. unlock all to 100mm3. Pedal to 500nm, lim iq 100mm3.. and you'll get your 80-85mm3 that you like, with the higher gears (if the lambda imposed).

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Originally Written by jacktheripper2

Personally, the only things that have not yet managed to resolve on my giulietta are:
Make sure that the dynamic can be even more than 110km/h
Read more than 98mm3 about diagnosis (beyond this iq goes into negative diagnosis, also if it injects what, I ask, by controlling the timing of fuel injection that uses).
Currently has 260cv and 550nm with the turbine original premium. With the original turbo, I came to 230cv about.

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wait a minute... jack .... = james... I only know 1 james has a juliet with 260cv and turbine golds and bigger, I really think is you ahah
nice to see you here
and congratulations indeed for the work carried out on your juliet now (and gp before ...)
that said, I have already all the iq unlocked , the pedal at 500nm the signal is set only at a high rpm for the clutch loose as you know but despite this I can't seem to get there... maybe it will be the lambda for sure , but I would not say a wrong thing...

the only question I have , is after the panettone egr, a little more forward , there are maps with axes rpm - iq and in the axes values that seem to be % of the pedal
in other mod that I have seen , these values were taken at about 9000 , but I don't understand the link...
why gold my are about 6500-6000 and ori the 2.0 injects 77mm3 to 4 thousand rpm...
may be instead of limiters % pedal? limit the pedal , thereby lowering the iq? in this case, these values should be brought up to 8192 = 100% pedal , right?

Set lambda to 1 from 1500 to 4500 and make a map informed, and you can't go wrong. If you cut you omitted a few bits. You many want to unlock this ECU, and not just the classics that are used on the 8v.
Scroll the map and see the bit about the IQ that you default on the limiters known. The ones you have to unlock definitely.
I have already done work on this ECU, and also on the 147 with the same problem and I solved it so..

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Originally Written by bmw320cd

the only question I have , is after the panettone egr, a little more forward , there are maps with axes rpm - iq and in the axes values that seem to be % of the pedal
in other mod that I have seen , these values were taken at about 9000 , but I don't understand the link...
why gold my are about 6500-6000 and ori the 2.0 injects 77mm3 to 4 thousand rpm...
may be instead of limiters % pedal? limit the pedal , thereby lowering the iq? in this case, these values should be brought up to 8192 = 100% pedal , right?

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You are I, with James, with the giulietta and the gp (which I still have and is the week I put back in the bike with the engine full mod and ready to 400cv :cool:)