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I ask for information Regarding the Alfa brera 2.4 210cv of 2008.
the Car engine is cold it makes a lot of white smoke for a minute or two then goes
then walking down the engine every so often you need to knee-jerk and does a bit of smoke.
The map now ? the original for? ? been mapped for about 6 months.
Precise that the machine 100 thousand kilometers per hour ? all original( egr pdf).
Someone recommend me what eopportuno do???
I thank in advance all those that I wanted to give you a hand.
Bho' be more precise, there may be many problems, as we have said on other post , make a good diagnosis and then post the errors that you from.
Hello,Quote:
Originally Written by Dragonfly
in diagnosis by the abnormal operation the egr .
I think that the problem of the go shots depends on the egr instead of the smoke biqnco engine is cold
depends on the fact that the fap is itasato and is not able to regenerate
Or it Could be that the blades mounted in the inlet manifold???.
Tomorrow I have the day after Tomorrow dovreii see it in the workshop so I can see in the diagnosis, what it says......
The strange thing ? that will not turn on no light failure, boooohhh!!!!
failure of egr ok but the diagnosis can you see if it opens and closes properly? if the egr ? was previously disabled by the map?
for the fap to the same thing, from the diagnosis that the percentage of jamming signals?
there are a lot of tests including correction injectors, functioning egr temperature sensor engine, watch the cold correction and put a plate on the egr just to test, you will not preuccupare for the time of the dpf that cold not rigenara however, one look at the differential pressure would be nice, then also the mass of air sucked in and the objective
I mechanic I recommended to clean the intake manifold remove the blades ,clean the egr and
close it with the usual flangia.Poi clear' to delete the function
the egr from the ecu with time .
What do you think???
the correction injector I alliniamento makes the diagnosis tool???Quote:
Originally Written by legendaryslave
Hello I have the same car.. That number sw ends with 001 for the case?
In diagnos the percentualei 'egr goes jerky ess. Holding the accelerator to 1800/2000 goes from 15% al75% .Quote:
Originally Written by paolo159
For the rest of the map and golds in all. at least I think!!!!
Another thing do you know if the cock V2la law and scive without problems???
and if you how long it +or - ???
I do not know even, I can just go in the workshop ? I read the file.Quote:
Originally Written by oakley1
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Because if sw ends con001che problems ??
If you tell me the last three digits hw and sw see if I can help.. I had the same problem and I solved it
First, I have to know that the sw you have cos? I can tell you the sw to write up to date of course ..
The problem will disappear. There are
Corrections in the map
ok just read it I place the fileQuote:
Originally Written by oakley1
I only need numbers hw and sw
lucatuning I can confirm that with gallo v2 read without problems, I have never read it with the v2 but the cock v1 the law in about 40 minutes.
the percentage of egr as described seems to be correct even though it clearly does not mean that actually work in the correct way in realit?.
For removing the egr is not the use of time, better to do that by hand...if the map will help to exclude it in the correct way.
Then quoto what was said by legendaryslave would also be useful to know the correction values of all 5 of the injectors so as to exclude a malfunction of the prex differential just to see if you have problems with the dpf though ? unlikely that the problem is due to it.
Ok thanks, as soon as the mechanic do? the evidence due to the mechanical and I read the file , we'll see what to doQuote:
Originally Written by paolo159
in merito.Poi explain to me how to exclude the egr manualmente.Neanche ecusafe does the work correct??
Sorry, but I'm writing with a cell phone ;)Quote:
Originally Written by lucatuning
Therefore, ecusafe does the luca stanca regularly but left the clog to 1000% but does not affect anything. C'? a bit put applied. Now I am out of the house for service torn? in about ten days, but if you tell me the specific data I asked you to see to solve the problem that your Brera.... Had my and are you sure it's not the injectors nor pump hp nothing else.
exact, I confirm what was said by oakley1, ecusafe on that ecu works well for luca stanca, which to do manually would be very pi? complex, unique neo ecusafe ? that leaves the intasameno to 1000% (only a question of aesthetics, however,...does not create problems to the car).
The exclusion egr ? easy for the edc16c39, so much so that it's not worth them with ecusafe or volta, and the risk that they may compromise some of the bits of the dtc....
just loads the map will tell you how to proceed ;-)
Ok, thanks a lot ,as soon as I have everything you need in placeQuote:
Originally Written by oakley1
the file.
Thanks Paul and colleagues of the forum) this and altruism!!!Quote:
Originally Written by paolo159
CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL THE STAFF!!!! ;)
I recovered the files of the brera ori. And thisQuote:
Originally Written by lucatuning
0281014459-10373927 - fiat 51820069.
The file I checked with one in my possession, and is identical( CKS)
Can someone tell Me the pu? help??
I am in my small experience ( nn are neither mechanical nor electronic expert) I do passion)
I think that the cause of the problems might be:
1) update of the file
2) egr valve failed, I dirty ( however it is electronically close ? physically with flange)
3) the correction file to the engine is cold ( I don't know what tap)
4) the problem of the fap that is not able to regenerate ( caused by a
the map is made about 1 year ago and then out of x, which is smoked too
and every once lit the lamp fap ) and consumed
a set of tires a month :)
5), or it may be the butterfly, and it is mounted on the
the air intake manifold.
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Thank you in advance x collaboration :)
Lucatuning.
The number of sw it seems strange to me. Upload the map to the ecm, and write the thing. L hw I is
I can post the file xche'are out-of-x work.Quote:
Originally Written by oakley1
Here is the data torretti.
Data ecu bosch edc16c39
Hw0281014459
Sw1037390927
Fiat.51820069
Hello then I now you are not home where will come back? the 3 .. I ask You to download the file with number sw 1037506095 copy on your various increments that you find in the engine management.. To be clear from the maps that pedal until you get to the maps limitatricidel rail... If you have not yet found this file on my return I'll post it. I solved cos?.. Hope that help, let me know
Ok thanks, as soon as I can I see if I can do whatQuote:
Originally Written by oakley1
I advice .
X time with x l' concern. :)
unfortunately, the 2.4 that you like the others ? a p? born evil...Quote:
Originally Written by lucatuning
virtually all suffer from the fact that the minimum of the fickle hot, the engine manufacturer,... etc...
with a good setup, you can eliminate 90% of the problems that suffers....
Que this file
Not ? other than an upgrade of the ECU in question .. In the alpha began to say that c had to replace the injectors and all of the 20 intake and exhaust valves.... Once you have edited the map and re-written the problem that moaning and that was just complaining don't you ? pi? presented... don't try it . Hello
TheQuote:
Originally Written by alfajtd
Problem does not warm but bens? cold.... With a bit of white smoke; hence the first start-up and minimum dancer.... With regard to the material conveyor belt 2.4 210cv I am delighted and so far never have problems with important.....
Ok as soon as you can explain to me how to do it or I do have the modified file from you so I try if it's better??Quote:
Originally Written by oakley1
Today the mechanic has closed the egr with the flange and the zoppiccare and almost gone
of the all, but the smoke in the cold weather continues to do so x 1-2 min. Then passes them.
The other thing in the ignition you hear a ticking type injector, exhaust of diesel, and the mechanic thinks that it is due d to the injectors. (100,000 km) Mahh!!! I don't know how to solve the problem....
? simple... just Take the file with sw095 final..the loads on the ecm... Then grab your file ori and the place where I usually put the mod file. Then, starting from the maps pedals flick and all of the variations 095 the copy on your... once you have finished save the file and the write .
Ok I will try . I hope I nn make mistakes.:)Quote:
Originally Written by oakley1
Then if you can't just return to Sardinia, I give you a hand
Okkkk!!!! Thanks a lot!! XDQuote:
Originally Written by oakley1
hello lucatuning here are the changes to do with regard to the problems of cold starts...
copy well as the increments on the map that the ECM identifies as a couple during the start-up and try it, it should go pretty well cos?, then if c'? to touch up even a little bit you can see on the basis of your on-road test.
I have given of the increments on the basis of the experience on my engine, once you have made the tests you will notice if the engine still has some hesitation in the rpm/temp special departures cos? you can refine the map by adding a few more point you in the right curve.
I have the file ready ce that I have recommended.
As soon as I have time I'll try It!!!
I hope for the best...... :)
You do? know how it goes!!!
Friday, I wrote the file in the brera
and I have to say that it's better in acceleration, but the problem
power on and remained almost the same as before.I will explain better.
The first start up in the morning and difficult
the usual beat a head as if the injectors were empty
(when you do the cutting, including fuel filter ,it happens on almost all drive, and at the first start-up
pIcchino the injectors, then nn repeated until the next coupon).
Instead, the first ignition is to be evil ( with white smoke x a few minutes)
Then if you switch it off and put it in the motto after 5 to 10 minutes the car starts fine without smoke(if I
motto after an hour it beats you up and makes white smoke. :( .
I'm thinking that nn is the fault of the power supply system
x-ess. that does not enter the air somewhere or some injector in
off mon hold the compression of the mottore and face get
the air inside the plant.
AIUTOOOO!!!!!
You wrote 095?
I have not read the previous page but, have you tried to put a non-return valve on the return pipe of the diesel ?
You've written the 095 closed egr from the ecu +flange on the egr.
The singiozzo and the past, but in the cold starting or
after 1 hour and turned out to always be problems
type white smoke with woodpecker injectors x a few seconds.
In the days installero' the check valve before the fuel filter.
I'll keep you informed!!!!
If someone knows how to fix it make you feel"!!!
You have also changed the torque curve all power ?
I didn't read all the post have you checked if the codes injectors correspond to those stored in the ecu?
Injectors checked?
no the injectors, I've checked ,nn I knew that they controlled :(?? .
the curve of the torque during power-on is modified by itself when I updated the file 927 with what 095.
here is the file ori 0281014459 /927 brera 210cv+ the mod.
the mod and the update that I made + a few other changesQuote:
Originally Written by lucatuning
controlled reflux injectors
And left to try the check valve and then the reflux dieselQuote:
Originally Written by giama'a
from the injectors.
The last step will be to change them all, and 5 :(
first fouls it checked out by a good pompista explaining the situation, because just doing the routine tests, the flow rates may be ok, but not nebulizzano good and finch? the combustion chamber is not ? hot smoke
hello