Hi all, I ask for an opinion, I have a 147 jtdm I have to change frizzione and fly what I suggested mono-mass or two-mass? (The car has about 220 hp):)
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Hi all, I ask for an opinion, I have a 147 jtdm I have to change frizzione and fly what I suggested mono-mass or two-mass? (The car has about 220 hp):)
we are talking about 8v or 16v? however, the clutch co.me, it has a great price, and in many I have heard good things about it... the flywheel if ? available, always best monomassa...
bi-mass if you do not want to break up...
but what break???Quote:
Originally Written by alfajtd
THE changes.... differential... the motor shaft....
My ? 16v to me year said that with the monomassa break the motor shaft
but you know at least what the flywheel (dual mass), which forces must dampen, which one ? his entity??
Let me concrete examples, I want to see the pictures of the motor shaft split since? used flywheels monomassa... I never seen, always heard about it, yet I know a lot of people, I tried the same machines with the flywheel monomassa. A friend has a punto jtd from at least 50000km (and the machine has 300Nm of torque...).
before I assert that certain statements...
documented well..
I have spoken personally with the person who designed these changes... did tests etc...
I have a source engineering
if you say that it won't break, I would say that the user alfone85 pu? mount the monomassa on its lafa 147 150 hp with the change of the c530.6
then if it breaks take? say that you will take the responsibility? your statements....
I hope....
yes, of course, the user who knows god in person...
in the meantime, you don't even know what forces must dampen a flywheel monomassa...
write to me, it's ok to pm the name of this that would have designed the c530.6, cos? control actually if you at least know who you talking about, I make a call, and we immediately check...
first of all, don't you hi permission to give me certain confidences,
I do not know you, like you don't know me... so I do not continue on your strand polemical or other...
the facts are the ones listed above... mathematics is not ? an opinion...
Well, you're right, I can't afford to write that you speak from hearsay, and not insister?, but I invited you to explain how does the flywheel (dual mass), but you didn't did you, l? we are keeping the math...
we'll talk about it when you know what is st? talking about... without assert sentences that made no sense.
you're going very OFF-TOPIC
ok I stop here all the discussion, both those who read this? understand?...
I did not want to offend anyone I just asked what do you think was better I want the monomassa but I wanted more? info without doing the inca... None
and who is inc... for the cos? little....Quote:
Originally Written by alfone85
the flywheel of the original v? pi? that's good... ? designed to hold up to 450nm
put only a beautiful clutch.... why? ? the part that sins...
I and my cavalry I'll go out without problems with the original flywheel and vibration, but with the clutch not the original...
if not, if you eat it in 20,000 km if evil wizard...
keep the torque values indicated in nm does not mean to have them useful to dispense, cavort with a few nm in the ir? let alone with preparations decided...and here not ? the question of how to lead and its care why? if one wants to throw down? l throttle to 1000 rpm and hold it down? up to 5500 rpm in each gear, the group flywheel-clutch should not have any hesitation or malfunction...there are rarely flywheels that do not vibrate with changes strong but they last very little, the emission standard has affected, in addition to the flywheel, clutch, brakes, and other bodies that withstand mechanical stress-thermal strongQuote:
Originally Written by alfajtd
guys, I also have the nasona, and I mount the clutch as monomassa.... honestly more than a little bit of jiggle, I do not have any other problem....
a question I want to do.... talk to 220 hp.... with what you have them pulled out?? with the car fully ori???
I have on several robina.... turbo gtb2056, exhaust manifolds, exhaust completely ******, injectors changed, the clutch co.me, filter sports.... but honestly I don't know if we have arrived to this cavalry.... who ? so kind to give me a hand to pull them off?? :P
Watch I turbine uprated intercooler and a good map of all the steel tubes and the direct discharge filter bmc
you're right.... I forgot I also ic plus front and all the tubes and pipes aluminum, silicone.....Quote:
Originally Written by alfone85
which turbo do you have???
that saltellino with a few NM in the ir? ? difficult.. if we are talking about having 500NM to 2000 rpm and then s that?...Quote:
Originally Written by carmageddon
but then it also raises the issue to the other mechanical components... then v? revised all...
quietly the 450NM keeps them at 2000 rpm... this is s? therefore, if one wants to have more?
why? want a change strong you have to make a preparation for pi? serious that affects both flywheel and clutch...
the exchange also he durer? on the basis of the output torque and the cycle of fatigue for which ? designed.
Good or evil are beautiful exchange...
For? ? clear that the vehicle has a TOTAL potential...
to go beyond ? better to change vehicle...
insommma those who are satisfied enjoys it....
the main task of a flywheel ? to store kinetic energy in the positive phases of the motor to return it in the negative phases and smooth rips, due to the starting and shifting task that was attribbuito to the springs in the flywheel monomassa,if the flywheel ? balanced, the motor shaft can lead to fatigue in this ? possible, if the clutch fails to dampen the stresses towards the exchange also it can lead to fatigue fracture, if the flywheel monomassa and' projected well and the clutch also you can greatly reduce this risk, but if we mount the driver of another car because we were told that ? this surely will lead to failure, because on the balancing machine you can put on the crankshaft flywheel and pulley damper
then a clutch momomassa appatto that is of good quality and perfect balancing of the tree not lead to the rupture, however, if we push with some pairs, we need to know that, however, we're shortening the life of the components that are the most solicited
I also said I thought me:cool:
Ok Ok raga are convinced to put a flywheel monomassa I found it yesterday sifting on the internet, the type that sells them ? of Rome I by steel flywheel billet and lightened clutch semi sintered and push the disc and bearing reinforced all x 950€ shipped
if I were to spend that money monterei a nice bimassa reinforced with the adjoining clutch kit...
take this as an advice....
then you have the free choice to get ripped off money from those who resells ste crap....
maybe then you v? well.... but the red and black you only play at the casino?.....
IMHO
I don't do it so much x do the tests, but the bimassa reinforced as you say to me ? lasted 40000km and I turn the boxes spend 380€ every 40000km
perfect! are stradaccordo, the problem of fatigue fracture for? pu? arise the a bimassa, and this happens when the peak ground acceleration resonate, at that point the flywheel (dual mass) does not absorbs ir? the vibrations, but the sumQuote:
Originally Written by legendaryslave
you are forgetting what is pi? simple... the mass ... I would say that the entity? damping depends on your own from this... all the rest ? very complex to be assessed in words on a forum..
personally, I could ascertain on all the mjet existing, except for opel, jumping around with a few nm in the ir? gi? from 1500 to 1600 rpm, and it must not happen in an absolute way!Quote:
Originally Written by alfajtd
about opel mjet 120 ps 8v I made 168 hp and 420 nm, and had no hesitation....I never deepened comput but on FAL do shit while on opel keep discreetly
the transmission is adopted by opel, with engines mjet ? always derived from fpt, but with a different standard, in fact, already? ori have ir? torque than the alfa, fiat etc..
Then? The alpha could have more? problems of the Opel?
't have ? a fact