how to change a torque limiter

who would give me a hand in figuring out how do I change the torque limiters, gradually with the ecm?
ex: if I want to increase to 15% starting from 1500 rpm up to the max, I select all the range of that? from 1500 to 4500 and give it a amuento in a percentage up to 15%.
as in the picture?
but I know that the clutch an increase in so, does not do well.
instead, to increase more gradually, how do I select the type 1500 and 2000, and increased 6%, then 2000, and 2500 8% and so on?
? so what do you do?
thanks

Hello...so, I think conceptually process a file in % ? incorrect...
Talk about torque limiter...so, you know what? really??expresses mm3 of diesel?or actually nm of torque?(the first case edc15c, the second case edc16c)....
Now, we all know that the critical point for the clutch and flywheel ? around 2000 rpm...then, begins to increase in points...example...and find the value of 300nm at 2000 rpm...arrives at 350nm...and then from that increase throughout the curve...cos?, you have failed to comply with the provision of the propulsrore desired by the manufacturer, and increased uniformly over the entire curve....
There? of course not prevent you from giving a greater increase after the 2500 rpm...but do so always in the points...so? you know actually what and how much you're increasing!!!

the torque limiter ? a complicated thing, you have to modify on the basis of other changes-for example, if 5% of diesel ? useless by 25% of the torque limiter, then the limiter will change, also taking into account the type of machine and its wear and tear, especially on the wear of the clutch, in principle, to a torque limiter as standard, you need to increase the percentage higher revs, the pi? experts have reached a certain number of laps, pull in a straight line.. but this ? another bet.

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Originally Written by giuseppe1374

the torque limiter ? a complicated thing, you have to modify on the basis of other changes-for example, if 5% of diesel ? useless by 25% of the torque limiter, then the limiter will change, also taking into account the type of machine and its wear and tear, especially on the wear of the clutch, in principle, to a torque limiter as standard, you need to increase the percentage higher revs, the pi? experts have reached a certain number of laps, pull in a straight line.. but this ? another bet.

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Look, I do not agree on the increase in the %...the diesel is even worse...that you never know how much it actually increases...all should be studied...for example, a jtd115 has 70mm3 of diesel...well, you decide to go with 80mm3 of diesel...not random...it takes account of the smoke ? willing to accept the...to calculate the afr, and then the right amount of oil to use..on the basis of that, then you make, the map pedal (dw), smoke limiter, torque, injection times..if you need to rail pressure.

thanks for your lesson, professor, I made an example for him to understand, however I diesel I always in percentage and in 2d, and I have never had a problem and the machines that I did 5/6 years ago, still running without problems, just in case if I need to contact you, hello.

Question from a novice who is trying to understand:
admitting that thou wilt inject from 70 to 80 mm3 of fuel, this can be considered as an increase of the 14% [(80-70)/70*100)]
Roughly, we must not increase the other maps of the same percentage if you do not want that our quantity of diesel fuel is not to be limited ?
I speak of the torque limiter and the fumes for example..

I also mod in % 2d only turbo in points + lim....even I have had problems for many years,I say, then, is the perc..what is there to do c'? explain it to mario???

the maps that limit the diesel, but not all, of the 14% depends on the maps,that's why? you should check the values of conversion

But if the function is linear, K-type*value, the percentage has the usual meaning if applied to the account of the k*value, or directly to the value..
It seems to me it should be so also for the table that is used to convert torque into mm3 injected
If the increase in the 10% diesel fuel in large lines incrementero' well as the 10% of the torque generated, no ?
Perhaps for the turbo, the situation is different because in effect you have to see if it is reported the pressure of the turbocharger or if the total..

So, I'm sorry ke the user if the is taken...it was not but intention to offend anyone...it's just that, if I have a child who goes to school...and asks to be taught the additions, not the teach the moltiplicaizoni...;)
Anyway, mister...I try to help you...increases in the diesel fuel, 5%,... where?map the pedal?map time?map rail pressure?what ecu are we talking about?
Therefore, if you are going to give this percentage increase to the map pedal, thou shalt not do to another that an increase in the demand of diesel fuel (or torque) to the ecu...now...let's say that your pedal stop to 70mm3... your map ? "climbing" for these 70mm3...now, you have given the 5%increase and then you asked 73.5 mm3 of diesel...the ecu, in your opinion, what time curve/rail/lim smoke will go? to read?simple...always one of the 70!!!Now, you will understand well that the only mod to the pedal if not for the port increases...be careful...if you before you had a 50% pedal a request 60mm3 of diesel, now you have 60mm3+5%-->63mm3...then the ecu, in parit? pressure pedal inietter? pi? diesel...but the end result will be? always the same...it will be? simply how to install a sprint booster to the pedal...it will be? only the most reactive...xk? the avr? the max diesel in the shortest excursion pedal...
Now, let's go to the map time...according to me ? mistake to speak of %, why? qu? the dependence apart from the rail pressure, ? also given by the K-factor (which I have already? explained in another post)...and then, by increasing the map times, and the rail..you know? never how much fuel you are actually injecting! Here is the xk?, I prefer to decide what result do you get (or mm3 or in pairs), and l?, I'm going to increase the torque required at the pedal, then step to lim torque, then I go in the map times, and I'm going to enter in the last bp the new times calculated for the corresponding prex rail for the new amount of fuel required. In addition, the increase in the rail pressure only if the times become "important" and then the risk to go too many degrees in the post-injection...in this case, the increase in the rail pressure only where needed and I'm going to calculate the new time map time...
For the turbo, the speech ? the same...(at the 99% is reported prex total)...that is, until, for example, 70mm3 the ecu knows that he must do max 1.3 turbo...well...if we do x? in the little box of 70mm3 we calculated the times for 85mm3 of diesel...we'll go in the little box of 70mm3 of the turbo and we are going to insert the new pressure...
Of course you are speaking of speeches, very fine...of course moddare %...it can't hurt...xk? ? a DIESEL...and break a diesel..? very difficult....
I have seen maps with moddati advances as a % of jtd115...in the table were almost 9?....luckily there are limiters....

the guys all fail! as we left the field, I know that now we have to take the professor to support!

and then, however, if you read above, and after the last intervention, you understand that you have filmed the speech, you said that the diesel fuel is not in proportion, we would like to be explained how to change the discourse of the various maps and on purpose ? another thing, enlighten us, prof, according to me, you will fill the mouth of the things you read here and there.

Joseph...this ? my last response to your post...yours ? pure provocation aimed to spark a flame of which I do not want to be part of it...I hope that the mod has to intervene.
How to calculate the diesel fuel, I explained it already?...you talk about diesel..calculated where?map times?I have gi? stated in the post above that the times are linked to the rail pressure and the K factor...
Here is the link where I explain how I usually do...http://www.professionalchiptuning.ne...-delle-colonne
And at this point, I close...with you.

okay as I increased this limiter , the increases I made them that way to try, but what I'm interested in ? saepre if it can go well with the progression of the increase.
example, I selected the line to see the mod by double-clicking on 2000giri , hence the fact the increase in points ( indifference to me, 26.5 ecm ) , then the selected 2250giri also increased (also here the diff. 30), and so on, 2500, 2750....
okay to do so select every single lap and make the rise?
or example, 2500 rpm, you can also give a increase fixed?

the increases should be made with the policy and according to the other maps and not to fancy you can also incur damage, and then if not by the diesel is of little use to increase the torque lim

ok joseph, I know what you say, but I wanted to know it was just the way to make the change.
sorry but I have not attached the file to see, settle immediately

here is the file:


we can stand the work that I've done?

I understand mario what you mean, thanks for the explanation ;)
I have started studying recently and I am unaware of several maps :)

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Originally Written by mariodarkblue

So, I'm sorry ke the user if the is taken...it was not but intention to offend anyone...it's just that, if I have a child who goes to school...and asks to be taught the additions, not the teach the moltiplicaizoni...;)
Anyway, mister...I try to help you...increases in the diesel fuel, 5%,... where?map the pedal?map time?map rail pressure?what ecu are we talking about?
Therefore, if you are going to give this percentage increase to the map pedal, thou shalt not do to another that an increase in the demand of diesel fuel (or torque) to the ecu...now...let's say that your pedal stop to 70mm3... your map ? "climbing" for these 70mm3...now, you have given the 5%increase and then you asked 73.5 mm3 of diesel...the ecu, in your opinion, what time curve/rail/lim smoke will go? to read?simple...always one of the 70!!!Now, you will understand well that the only mod to the pedal if not for the port increases...be careful...if you before you had a 50% pedal a request 60mm3 of diesel, now you have 60mm3+5%-->63mm3...then the ecu, in parit? pressure pedal inietter? pi? diesel...but the end result will be? always the same...it will be? simply how to install a sprint booster to the pedal...it will be? only the most reactive...xk? the avr? the max diesel in the shortest excursion pedal...
Now, let's go to the map time...according to me ? mistake to speak of %, why? qu? the dependence apart from the rail pressure, ? also given by the K-factor (which I have already? explained in another post)...and then, by increasing the map times, and the rail..you know? never how much fuel you are actually injecting! Here is the xk?, I prefer to decide what result do you get (or mm3 or in pairs), and l?, I'm going to increase the torque required at the pedal, then step to lim torque, then I go in the map times, and I'm going to enter in the last bp the new times calculated for the corresponding prex rail for the new amount of fuel required. In addition, the increase in the rail pressure only if the times become "important" and then the risk to go too many degrees in the post-injection...in this case, the increase in the rail pressure only where needed and I'm going to calculate the new time map time...
For the turbo, the speech ? the same...(at the 99% is reported prex total)...that is, until, for example, 70mm3 the ecu knows that he must do max 1.3 turbo...well...if we do x? in the little box of 70mm3 we calculated the times for 85mm3 of diesel...we'll go in the little box of 70mm3 of the turbo and we are going to insert the new pressure...
Of course you are speaking of speeches, very fine...of course moddare %...it can't hurt...xk? ? a DIESEL...and break a diesel..? very difficult....
I have seen maps with moddati advances as a % of jtd115...in the table were almost 9?....luckily there are limiters....

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ok the speech ? just nothing to say c'? only a small detail that if you don't know all the limiters of diesel can't push the ecu to achieve the goal, then from my test does not ? true that if you mod the tables of the times you can not predict how much to inject, with the ones methodology you are good to balance the natural decrease of diesel fuel at high rpm due to a decrease in turbo pressure, I agree that that can't check everything, but many customers in parit? fuel injected with your system and with that of the mod to the tables of time choose the second because? the transitory dimenzzano the car seems more? reactive and nervous and on the top you can to correct the decline in diesel fuel...at the end in any case ? always a trick and then if suitable the bp of the times you have to avaddattare well as those of the advance, and if you put hand on a edc16 and you have to adapt the lambda and many other things ... that'll make you go down the diesel when you don't want it to drop..

I also have not yet reached the limit messages..
the MPPS should happen to me today.. and soon light is the map, and be able to post the changes ;)
In the meantime, thanks mario ! :)

this is that ? an intervention is useful and constructive, but you can't? do a person begins to see now the different maps, and then I wanted to know how do you calculate the mm3 adequate with regard to the loads? always give a linear percentage with respect to the ori? I hope I explained

Hello joseph...what do you mean by loads?the word "load" s? makes no sense...? only a term used by the ecm...the mm3 them we decide in the mapping phase...based on the result you want to achieve...then after he is always up to us to see how to achieve such mm3 to the ecu...or through injection times, or rail pressure.

for example if you have 2000 rpm and 50 load to inject 60mm3 up to 100 load? or as you increase the load increases mm3?

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Originally Written by giuseppe1374

for example if you have 2000 rpm and 50 load to inject 60mm3 up to 100 load? or as you increase the load increases mm3?

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have you seen that we cannot communicate, load what ? intended, load what ? intended, I'm speaking another language? then do not say that I am, I know well what are the load and the loads, we don't need to speak in a highly technical, I talk about edc16 map diesel, for example, I at 2000 rpm starting from 50 load up to 1000 load do 8% over the entire load (50 to 100 load)? wrong as speech? how should I calculate mm3 necessary?

joseph did not ? to me...I don't know what the load or loads...I only know what they are really in the various maps...I am attaching a map edc16 147mjet 140hp...they are probably hard on the uptake...
If you can, tell me the address of that control;)

here's what I mean,

I downloaded the file...which map are you referring to? to what address should I look at?

0ED538 flick ori and mod up to where you see the example

As you can see, there is the "load"...;)

ok, I makes you a mod on that file?

attention I do not intend to do a full mapping, I just wish that I modificassi only a curve, for example, limit the flue gas and consequently the pedal and lim a pair so I do believe, you can do it?

nothing to do? :cool:

Joseph...I don't live on the forum...now I am attaching the mod file with a limiter made by me...considering that the egr is closed, you avr? a mass of air intake to 1200mg at full load...and I want a map that is not too smoky, I choose a afr of 14.5...so it will have to? inject 85mm3 of diesel.
Here's the map with rev limiter fumes, calibrated for an afr of 14.5.

thank you for your availability, I understand your calculation and your logic, but if you can and want if I could modare the limiter torque based on the fuel that you've given so I realize

the machine ? my brother and l, I is mapped by the time the tour has given 172cv, I'm just trying to understand the logic of your changes why? I'm very interested in that, here we are all learning right? well if I can improve I like very much your teachings if in mp me ***** I'll send the mod to this car so maybe you tell me any errors and suggestions

I see that at the end you come to an agreement,I am of the opinion that everyone has their method right or wrong the important thing is that you don't do damage and you have the results,many change in a way that is classic % etc others doing calculations that would be the right theory, but at the end I repeat you just have to get the result you want, and that is the best map,as it says in mariodarkblue not it makes sense to continue the discussion in pm between you, but it would be more constructive for all to do it here.

no one who has said something to my files if it can go well.