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Hello Joseph,
you have to paste the file golds that we discussed in the other thread so I don't have the bp changed, and to compare it to.
The ones you attached are both the modified and the ecm does not find the subfamiglia driver
Hello Tranky thanks to Dell's attention,I have attached both the ori is the first and the ecm will not find the driver...I use one of the map is the same but at the moment I can't remember what tomorrow is control the pc and the place...I am also enclosing the updated file which I was working before,but now that we're on that, you know, the map advances has the values clear? I took a look tonight, but I can't find it
Hello Tranky thanks to Dell's attention,I have attached both the ori is the first and the ecm will not find the driver...I use one of the map is the same but at the moment I can't remember what tomorrow is control the pc and the place...I am also enclosing the updated file which I was working before,but now that we're on that, you know, the map advances has the values clear? I took a look tonight, but I can't find it
without seeing the maps with the driver, it is difficult for me to tell you something.. the map advances has as bp rpm/iq and the values are microseconds in the clear, at least on my edc16 so..
looking only at the 2d known to have the fap active and egr.. right?
I am looking for the maps, advances in 2d but it is a long search...
As what is not said.. the mod you've ruled out the dpf and egr (here also known too many curves made zero, surely you have used some software), but you have bad set up a lot of points.
When various a bp, you have to calcolarti his new relationship in the map to its point of the curve..
You touched on a bp that you don't have tap, the one with a value of 8192 is an increasing percentage, and YOU have to leave it to ORI, you need to change to another bp that has the iq or if they are rpm leave ori.
Regarding well, what touches the system, the question of driver otherwise you leave it crazy!
Which bp are you referring to tranky?I do not recall any bp with that now in mind I remember having to take the bp from 8200 to 9000 and the previous 8199 to 8500. With regard to the calcolarmi of the new values in the map for the new iq, I gave the same percentage of increase that I have on the bp. for example, from 82 to 90 mm3 (i.e. 9,8)I don't know if is correct the reasoning.you how to calculate the new values? for the drivers after you place what use that is to a map that is the same but not my will but not by much information about it but...thanks again
The driver I use is D235_509
Which bp are you referring to tranky?I do not recall any bp with that now in mind I remember having to take the bp from 8200 to 9000 and the previous 8199 to 8500. With regard to the calcolarmi of the new values in the map for the new iq, I gave the same percentage of increase that I have on the bp. for example, from 82 to 90 mm3 (i.e. 9,8)I don't know if is correct the reasoning.you how to calculate the new values? for the drivers after you place what use that is to a map that is the same but not my will but not by much information about it but...thanks again
On the maps the pedal.you must not adapt just no bp....in the axes you request in percentage and rpm
Thanks errecinque I have already corrected everything I had swapped out the percentage for a iq 82 mm3...I have to learn still a lot hehehe but the map advances nn I just can't find it, I'm doing up and down throughout the file, and if you continue to not see it...but they are values in the clear? Therefore, even in the negative?
Because work are weeks that I do not turn on the pc, however, the map advances to the ecm calls injection phase from 1 to 5. If your driver is not on the lists just look a file of a 159 edc16c39, for example, and then go on your file
I was taking a cue from the files of a grande punto 1.9 mjt of the forum and compared it to that file in the my not the am in the same position(I am talking about between the maps is not the same address) tonight I try to give them a look thanks for the advice!
I was taking a cue from the files of a grande punto 1.9 mjt of the forum and compared it to that file in the my not the am in the same position(I am talking about between the maps is not the same address) tonight I try to give them a look thanks for the advice!
council:
do not compare completely different file from 8valvole to 16valvole that enters in the ball completely because they change too many managers and values on 8v li find yourself in the negative, and comparing it with a 8v. Not knowing what type of car you have, I have preferred to make the alert! ;)
You know that I just took into consideration the difference of management between the 8e16v...great advice thanks!! Mine is a 16v I'll try to take a cue from a 159 16v as was suggested to me by errecinque and to continue the search...weather permitting hehehe thanks again guys!
You know that I just took into consideration the difference of management between the 8e16v...great advice thanks!! Mine is a 16v I'll try to take a cue from a 159 16v as was suggested to me by errecinque and to continue the search...weather permitting hehehe thanks again guys!
Go quiet and just you are in any doubt we are here to fill those gaps (as far as I can, of course.. I'm not a guru yet.. avoja to pedalà!!). ;)
The guys have just managed to find these damn advances!!!but the funniest thing is that I had them right here under the eyes and the driver from me set me calling out to them, however, "map of main injection,first injection" and so on...the thing that sent me off the track and that I'll explain here now, to help someone who is more of a beginner to me is the following: in practice, watching other files, like the one of the bravo 150 hp I found myself in the map advances to certain values which I then look in my without result...(for example, values such as 1,01) I then discovered that by opening a file on the ecm when the last quest is the various maps already apply the conversion factors to the values in 2d for example, the value that I saw in the map from 1,01 driver recognized corresponded to the value 43, which without the driver appears in the map...but what is more funny is that the driver for my drive I found the maps in advance(which calls, however, otherwise) but does not apply any conversion factor!!!that's why there was no correlations with the maps of the other files.So I took the value 43 of my map and compared to the 43 of the map "bravo 150hp"without driver corresponds to 1.01 on the file of the good with the driver set...I then 43:1,01=1:x I calculate the x and here is the conversion factor that is 0,0234883721!! But without another reference file how would I ever find such a factor? I think now I can go to sleep peaceful and satisfied finally hahhaa now I was left with only the question of how to recalculate the values in the table after you modified the bp...any clue? =) thanks for the patience and good night!
The guys have just managed to find these damn advances!!!but the funniest thing is that I had them right here under the eyes and the driver from me set me calling out to them, however, "map of main injection,first injection" and so on...the thing that sent me off the track and that I'll explain here now, to help someone who is more of a beginner to me is the following: in practice, watching other files, like the one of the bravo 150 hp I found myself in the map advances to certain values which I then look in my without result...(for example, values such as 1,01) I then discovered that by opening a file on the ecm when the last quest is the various maps already apply the conversion factors to the values in 2d for example, the value that I saw in the map from 1,01 driver recognized corresponded to the value 43, which without the driver appears in the map...but what is more funny is that the driver for my drive I found the maps in advance(which calls, however, otherwise) but does not apply any conversion factor!!!that's why there was no correlations with the maps of the other files.So I took the value 43 of my map and compared to the 43 of the map "bravo 150hp"without driver corresponds to 1.01 on the file of the good with the driver set...I then 43:1,01=1:x I calculate the x and here is the conversion factor that is 0,0234883721!! But without another reference file how would I ever find such a factor? I think now I can go to sleep peaceful and satisfied finally hahhaa now I was left with only the question of how to recalculate the values in the table after you modified the bp...any clue? =) thanks for the patience and good night!
If you want to start to climb this ECU advances are the last thing that you have to touch seen that to be calculated all on the basis of other maps, such as Rail and times. I recommend starting from the map nm/IQ then walk to Rail and turbo then the times and in the end advances.
You want to make a map scaled to the calculated or deceived?
Remember that the advances are in degrees ;)
Tranky I would like to make a map informed or calculated as you say,with regard to the scale of the bp I was talking about in general, the advances them calcolerò according to the injection times.right? But the map you're talking about then nm/iq is a map conversion ? Where can I find it?
Tranky I would like to make a map informed or calculated as you say,with regard to the scale of the bp I was talking about in general, the advances them calcolerò according to the injection times.right? But the map you're talking about then nm/iq is a map conversion ? Where can I find it?
It is called from the ECM "fuel injected" under maps lambda.
The times you do them for the calculation of higher IQ simply advances us you'll come out crazy seen that need to be calculated on the basis of the Rail, rpm and formulas.. Think about it after now you the scale of the BP on excel, and calculated everything
The map in my file is out of the driver tomorrow I start to search....what I was wondering is :having given to the bp of the rails iq of up to 90 mm3), can I leave the pressure ori as for the 70 mm3? Given that ori works to 1600 bar, I leave it unchanged? I see that 60 mm3 is the same as or similar now I can't remember...obviously moddero a 4 or 5% on the second time. Same goes for the map turbo. If I leave it as for the iq from the 70 I only have the problems of insufficient pressure right? Can I moddarla then adapting it to the iq maybe after a log on the road? Or am I wrong?
The map in my file is out of the driver tomorrow I start to search....what I was wondering is :having given to the bp of the rails iq of up to 90 mm3), can I leave the pressure ori as for the 70 mm3? Given that ori works to 1600 bar, I leave it unchanged? I see that 60 mm3 is the same as or similar now I can't remember...obviously moddero a 4 or 5% on the second time. Same goes for the map turbo. If I leave it as for the iq from the 70 I only have the problems of insufficient pressure right? Can I moddarla then adapting it to the iq maybe after a log on the road? Or am I wrong?
For 90mm3 at least you have to go up to 1650 rail otherwise the times and the advances don't come to ones iq. The Rail stops at 1600 on the 70 but it does not come to those in IQ, it should stop under some degree ori.
According to me you are right to try it step by step if you can. At the end you're not giving excessive increases and that goes wrong you'll have recovery without damage, but at least with a diagnosis you know where to mistakes
Tranky I also found the map nw/iQ and I have in bp values to 5000 for both axes...looking at another reference file I guess and then have rmp in the first axis and the nw in the second and looking for good values I find myself to 500 nw values by 100 so I gather are in mm3... at this point I don't need to ricalcolarla right? I stopped at 90 mm3 and are therefore "covered" exactly? The map that I find is that the vgt, but maybe because it is calculated already to 80 mm3, and not 70 as on the file that I am using...tomorrow I will try again!
Tranky I also found the map nw/iQ and I have in bp values to 5000 for both axes...looking at another reference file I guess and then have rmp in the first axis and the nw in the second and looking for good values I find myself to 500 nw values by 100 so I gather are in mm3... at this point I don't need to ricalcolarla right? I stopped at 90 mm3 and are therefore "covered" exactly? The map that I find is that the vgt, but maybe because it is calculated already to 80 mm3, and not 70 as on the file that I am using...tomorrow I will try again!
Exact. Do not touch that map. The important thing is that pedal and the lim couple, you go to take 500nm, so the need is so then the lim iq do his duty once set to 90 mm3
Thanks errecinque that you know the map vgt is set to 80 mm3? Why 70 as the bravo 150 hp I don't find it tonight...the place that I believe to be the vgt. Enjoy the rest of the day!
Thanks errecinque that you know the map vgt is set to 80 mm3? Why 70 as the bravo 150 hp I don't find it tonight...the place that I believe to be the vgt. Enjoy the rest of the day!
Some of the maps that seem to vgt are set to 80 and the other 90..(you'll find them with the driver you descrittp under "turbo") I don't know what logic it uses for the read but the first one that I see seems to 90.
Interested in the end of it all to edit this map.. I can tell you from experience seen that are followed by a friend for my and I have come to change also I the one map that you can also leave GOLD at the moment. Affects only for the purposes of removing any piccate the turbine and then at the end of the work of the rest.
Then I leave the golds for now, it is beginning to look for the limiters...and you say that unlocking all the limiters and raising the rail pressure of 1650 bar I can inject the 90 mm3 with this configuration? Of course, I will request it in the map, the pedal 90 mm3...Unfortunately, if it does not quest the other week I have no time for me,here in the workshop, there is the hell everyone wants to repair the car on the last day!!jeez!!
Then I leave the golds for now, it is beginning to look for the limiters...and you say that unlocking all the limiters and raising the rail pressure of 1650 bar I can inject the 90 mm3 with this configuration? Of course, I will request it in the map, the pedal 90 mm3...Unfortunately, if it does not quest the other week I have no time for me,here in the workshop, there is the hell everyone wants to repair the car on the last day!!jeez!!
According to me you reach 90mm3 of inj with that pressure, but you have to see it in the work log and see the results.
That goes wrong if you make a mistake, it can happen that:
Empty the flute at a high rpm and inj fall and maybe snaps recovery on the pump hp but nothing serious and evaluate them to give some 30 bar, but only in the regime of IQ.
Calculator, excel, and so much time...
Thanks tranky!!!!I know that my holidays the pass with the calculator in hand haha
Thanks tranky!!!!I know that my holidays the pass with the calculator in hand haha
Council..
when calculating the time, calcolali for a value of up to 1700bar of the rail, then you the limits on the 2 limiters rail in 1650, and in the case not to arrive at the iq from the log, raise only the limiter.
Thanks tranky tonight if I can give it a look and put me to the opera even if now I'm still at work and I still have it for a while...but if I'm not mistaken the times are already calculated up to 90 mm3), so leave them ori right? I know that I have to adapt only the rest
Guys I have a doubt,I'm setting the map of pedal for request of 90 mm3, or approximately 450 nw.I noticed that ori demands I find in the engines rpm lower and then fade as the climb of rpm's...I was wondering can I request the 90 mm3 even at the rPm higher? Because of the series he requests is so low to the high? To avoid damage? You think I should increase by the same percentage as you leave the "gradient"to the increasing rpm?
Guys I have a doubt,I'm setting the map of pedal for request of 90 mm3, or approximately 450 nw.I noticed that ori demands I find in the engines rpm lower and then fade as the climb of rpm's...I was wondering can I request the 90 mm3 even at the rPm higher? Because of the series he requests is so low to the high? To avoid damage? You think I should increase by the same percentage as you leave the "gradient"to the increasing rpm?
Do not rely on the map ori, as values are set by mom, bosch, calculated with stoichiometric ratios are to compensate for any lambda, and the other with values out of scale if you rely to see them only from that map...
You should make a nice excel sheet with all the maps you're changing, and to establish, in the first place, a stoichiometric ratio equal to 1 and then to stechio.. establish the map nm/iq or leave it to ori in the case of arrivals to 90mm3 that you want to inject.
Saw that, from what you say (I did not open the map now and then I speak to credit what you say) at 450nm have 90mm3, this means that fully % of each mountain for rpm you have to scalarti the curve to get that iq at full throttle (100%) and to maintain a value ORI from 1500rpm to under to avoid any damage.
Remember the more risk you have by changing the low speed (surely someone will not be agree but I I see it and from what I've studied is pretty confirmed.)
Tranky with this message you made me notice that I was gravely mistaken...correct it immediately what I said earlier on,I understood that in the map nw/iq 450 nw takes me from 100 mm3 to 95.9mm3 then I was wrong...leaving aside that I don't get 450 nw with 90mm3 used by me I will use these values for the creation of the new map the pedal.This after having created the map In the tabel, in particular on exel as recommended by you given that you have everything under the eye helps a great deal, not having the drivers...I prepare everything and put me to work!!I forgot, thank you again, and I realize that I still have to learn a lot from people like you!but how do you know? HeheHe they are in debt!!buonaseraTa!
Tranky with this message you made me notice that I was gravely mistaken...correct it immediately what I said earlier on,I understood that in the map nw/iq 450 nw takes me from 100 mm3 to 95.9mm3 then I was wrong...leaving aside that I don't get 450 nw with 90mm3 used by me I will use these values for the creation of the new map the pedal.This after having created the map In the tabel, in particular on exel as recommended by you given that you have everything under the eye helps a great deal, not having the drivers...I prepare everything and put me to work!!I forgot, thank you again, and I realize that I still have to learn a lot from people like you!but how do you know? HeheHe they are in debt!!buonaseraTa!
Are not yet reliable as a source.. I have great skills now, but that I know thee, I share it willingly even to have a comparison.
About the map nm/IQ does not need to calculate who knows what.. you Set arbitrarily nm how much IQ to match.
In theory, it is often used to do that the last value in the map, which often corresponds to about 76mm3 on 350mn is divided mm3 on IQ and you multiply that by the nm that you want to create and set the map the pedal to the IQ that you want.
But it is not binding upon the scale in % nm speculate the % of IQ.
As soon as I have time, I throw an eye to the map and I'll give you some advice more real and less theoretical.
About the report in table maps from 2d on the ECM... But as you go!?!?
Good job Giusé !
Having the time I have done a mod file with reports of increase to 100mm3, unlocked limiters, rail and iq..
Let's just consider this and monitor the changes that maybe I could also be wrong since no driver is na ghost hunt..
The maps advance the you strange.. to a point all of the maps have a value which is absurd, and I don't understand the logic.. it would just the driver is in the ecu!
Studied this mod and comparing it to yours, and see the calculations to do.. if you don't understand something tell me, I will explain better.
(I can't attach files with that window in the bottom right... sistemiate the problem? Thanks!!!)
Wow tranky thanks a lot!!I'm not at home now but finally I'm on vacation so I have some day ****** finally...tomorrow I start on and I look for the good. With regards to the map advance payments by multiplying each box for a number that I wrote a few posts back, I find the values in the liked it, or at least I think that's because comparing them with the values of the bravo 150 hp without driver had equal values in the type 43 in the box corresponded to 1.01 degrees...and then I found the conversion factor.Then the logic still I have to understand well.tomorrow I will convert all the values and create a table on excel so as to have a clearer view and direct advances
hello tranky was analyzing the file that you have done, and I had some doubts about the following maps:
1D56C0 has an axis, RPM; in the other, I don't know...it seems like a torque limiter, but I did not quite understand,because the you set to 9000 against his 7700 golds.I think it indicates the IQ but if so, you've set to 90mm3 if your map is made for the 100mm3?
1D9BB0 I find another torque limiter, set this to 100 mm3), right?
1F4188 I in the axis, rpm, and another that I don't know,from the values if they were in the clear, I think, is the atmospheric pressure?I think it's a lim. Press. turbo and I see that you have increased the limits of 0.1 bar. is that correct?
1FA59E I have RPM and rail pressure so I think it is a pressure limiter in the function of I don't know what
1FA7C8 Limiter rail pressure is set always to 1700 bar
1FAF04 another limiter rail.
tranky known that many bp set to 9000 you left them so,you do not affect the iq injectable?then I noticed that you have given maximum 60 points to the turbo pressure,you have calculated this increase or have given it to the base and then adjust it after any log? it seems a quizzettone given the many questions hahaha
I forgot I saw that at the time you gave the same percentage that you have given to bp by doing so adapts the 100mm3 in the map in function of the old 90?
hello tranky was analyzing the file that you have done, and I had some doubts about the following maps:
1D56C0 has an axis, RPM; in the other, I don't know...it seems like a torque limiter, but I did not quite understand,because the you set to 9000 against his 7700 golds.I think it indicates the IQ but if so, you've set to 90mm3 if your map is made for the 100mm3?
1D9BB0 I find another torque limiter, set this to 100 mm3), right?
1F4188 I in the axis, rpm, and another that I don't know,from the values if they were in the clear, I think, is the atmospheric pressure?I think it's a lim. Press. turbo and I see that you have increased the limits of 0.1 bar. is that correct?
1FA59E I have RPM and rail pressure so I think it is a pressure limiter in the function of I don't know what
1FA7C8 Limiter rail pressure is set always to 1700 bar
1FAF04 another limiter rail.
tranky known that many bp set to 9000 you left them so,you do not affect the iq injectable?then I noticed that you have given maximum 60 points to the turbo pressure,you have calculated this increase or have given it to the base and then adjust it after any log? it seems a quizzettone given the many questions hahaha
I forgot I saw that at the time you gave the same percentage that you have given to bp by doing so adapts the 100mm3 in the map in function of the old 90?
Hello Joseph,
the mod I started to 90mm3 then as I said.. why 90 and not 100 ?
All the surge protectors you see are the same that I touched myself on my (147 edc16 120 hp) and they all work.
Regarding the changes to the maps I have only incremented to the calculation of the tables still to the old iq to the new, I have not increased anything more than this and in case you want to give a nice boost, you need to calcolarti you all according to what you want.
Post some results and see that combines.. an excel table without a map, okay, so much for theory, no practice on the car.
Advice..
The map rail edit it, anticipating the top prx on iq..
I'll explain..
Coming in at 4500rpm for example, septa, the iq, for example, 1700bar and under 4500 those bar them reach and very probbabilmente not reach enough pressure to get there so, then you have 2 options:
You tax the BP of 100mm3 settandolo to 95mm3 keeping the top prex them in a way that preserves the 1700 for the iq to 4500
Or climb up the iq like top on 4000rpm and stay constant up to 4500..
I suggest the first solution.
hello tranky then I call the 1700-bar for the 95 mm3?or in my case making a map from 90 for the 85mm3? I'm working on a map using your as a guide, and I also made a table on excel with the advances in the clear.the rescued and the place
You do not understand anything on that excel file..
Can you please post the one where I calculated my, see if you are to return your gold on this..
No offense eh, maybe I am too meticulous, but I don't understand the tables that you have done.. but they are GOLD without a new bp anyway ?
hello tranky then I call the 1700-bar for the 95 mm3?or in my case making a map from 90 for the 85mm3? I'm working on a map using your as a guide, and I also made a table on excel with the advances in the clear.the rescued and the place
The request did not make it to 1700bar, parts by 1650 and veediamo in the log how it goes.. maybe no need to take it to the top!
Just leave the limiters set to the prx and make calculations with prx to 1650 and see how it goes the car
Are not pc, and I see you tomorrow to work on the map anyway if you find another one to unlock, unlock... are Not na the top and something I don't know yet..
The Rail tap is always based on the times that you have to achieve with the new IQ. Now log in with mes and see what he says!
For the BP, scalali as you want but facilitated the accounts otherwise quit crazy
I saw the map and I say to you:
the curves before the EGR that you have lowered-I don't know what to do ****
Torque limiter is too high to low, scalalo better and gradual
Map rail I do not like, make sure to check the file ori and see the mods that you have done, are irregular.. more linear is better, even if he evades a few bars from the calculations is not vital (so then raffini after log systems and the time, if it is necessary)
For the rest you did a good job.
system ste 2 crap and upload it, and log with MES, so let's see the results
ah small oversight..
Forgive ORI bp limiters rail, no need to change it!
Thanks for the support tranky now I put it to work and settle,as far as the curves before the egr I don't know what they are,the egr and the dpf, I eliminatp with time and I think it was the software to make that change ...for the limiter to a lower rpm now I can fix it but for low you mean 1500 rpm?
Thanks for the support tranky now I put it to work and settle,as far as the curves before the egr I don't know what they are,the egr and the dpf, I eliminatp with time and I think it was the software to make that change ...for the limiter to a lower rpm now I can fix it but for low you mean 1500 rpm?
The motor torque is around 2500rpm you set the maximum before the 2000rpm that 1500rpm is excessive. Obviously the incorporate on the pedal but at least align limiter on the pedal
Tranky for the rail I just noticed the step that I did from the 870 bar of prx rail 1200 bar of the bit to the following...silt that value by bringing the curves closest to their gold medals? I speak of the map to the address 1fafcc that my driver calls prx rail objective.in talé map the step is at 3000 rpm and 30mm3 Iq where the value of gold in the map is 8700 or 870bar...in the map instead of to the address 1fb840 that the driver called "rail pressure (map1/1)" at 3000 rpm and 30 Iq I find myself 12800 or 1280 bars as it explains the entire difference? Are for case maps as a function of temperature or another? Go moddate? I I in interpretation?
Update, I tried this file after the grinding and drive from the log do not inject more than 71 mm3 the rail reaches 1650 constantly, and then I believe there is some other limiter to find ...after I return the wing to its research
Update, I tried this file after the grinding and drive from the log do not inject more than 71 mm3 the rail reaches 1650 constantly, and then I believe there is some other limiter to find ...after I return the wing to its research
Post both the log and the map, that tomorrow I see.
For the IQ could be from many factors the limit, but without the file log and I can tell you little.
For the maps you described I don't know honestly.. Tomorrow I see better and see what I can tell you.
You post everything so we know what we're talking about.
What do you use for the log?
In the map do not touch values of the Rail that have already been calculated on IQ defined, but only calculates the new BP for the new IQ.. do Not touch the other and let's reach 90mm3
Do not base what you hear.. We are only giving more IQ..
Tomorrow I see the file and I'll give you news
Great job until now!
but you have dpf on your car?
1F0B46 + 1F1256 be rescaled.. saw that you changed the last bp from 80 to 90 (+12,5%) why not change also the last column of the curves?
see if increment or decrement on higher iq.
For the rest I am attaching some mod that will describe the id and how to change them.. you first see it.
According to me it is correct to also change the torque gear that by default you are low on low speed and set the foot on the accelerator.. for the rest see you and try to make a log.. so I don't see that you can change to the iq. to view everything seems to be unlocked so..
If you can do a log with MES (multiecuscan + elm327) it would be better that you can attach it and see mpo that combines that car..
Let me know here then we are about to ****llo me and you.. now I overtaking and I teach you something else at me!
Unfortunately I have the battery of the laptop melted and I am waiting to arrive...on the new laptop with Windows 8.1, the elm does not want to know...I believe that to begin to teach you something he will have to spend more time hahaha you are too forward, and bravo! Now I put it to work! Also why after that I try in delphi that is still open, I have the fuel filter changed two weeks ago, that lose!!!and among other things I also have to leave for the holidays in a few days!! Cribbiooo
Unfortunately I have the battery of the laptop melted and I am waiting to arrive...on the new laptop with Windows 8.1, the elm does not want to know...I believe that to begin to teach you something he will have to spend more time hahaha you are too forward, and bravo! Now I put it to work! Also why after that I try in delphi that is still open, I have the fuel filter changed two weeks ago, that lose!!!and among other things I also have to leave for the holidays in a few days!! Cribbiooo
Go quiet, no one running behind!
For the filter, have you checked the gasket in the center between the filter and the "cap" that is broken or moved or is missing?
Strange that you lost so much.. usually makes for too much pressure (but I don't think this will be the case that the map is well), or for that seal..
No tranky is just a defective filter on my car is similar to your 147 but it is not a screw,has the quick fasteners for the pipes, and loses, where there is a lid on top that is pressed...then I found this yesterday before rimapparla then does not depend definitely on the map. Coming back to the Dell drive to the Dpf, I've already deleted a couple of years is too Mangy and not the soportavo more!
for maps of the turbo you mentioned should be decreasing to the high end of the iq then the moddo in the negative lowering them to a 12.5 % right?seem to maps vgt or am I wrong?
for maps of the turbo you mentioned should be decreasing to the high end of the iq then the moddo in the negative lowering them to a 12.5 % right?seem to maps vgt or am I wrong?
It seems to me, and I, but don't do that to a percentage of the bp..
See the minimum and maximum value and set you one step.. in theory you can also leave it to ori and log to see if picca the turbine, if pike systems where pike, but let so.
But, being a detailed study, the better to climb it and see on the log the behavior.. even the next log put vgt, advances, times over prx rail, iq and prx turbo..
more info is always better
I would be curious to see if the increase of the times you see in the log.. my I put +2°, but the log is always in the threshold of the ori..
I wonder if there is some limiter somewhere that determines the block...
It seems to me, and I, but don't do that to a percentage of the bp..
See the minimum and maximum value and set you one step.. in theory you can also leave it to ori and log to see if picca the turbine, if pike systems where pike, but let so.
But, being a detailed study, the better to climb it and see on the log the behavior.. even the next log put vgt, advances, times over prx rail, iq and prx turbo..
more info is always better
Tranky I climbed the last column of the percentage of bp or a 12.5, I had not yet read your advice...you say I try so?or I put it away gold and then try?ori I values for the iq is the maximum that ranges from a low of 7181 to a maximum of 1966 while mod go from 6283 to 1720. maybe it's better to bring it ori or however moddarle not I would like the turbo to me of him surpassed haaha
I would be curious to see if the increase of the times you see in the log.. my I put +2°, but the log is always in the threshold of the ori..
I wonder if there is some limiter somewhere that determines the block...
And beyond the diagnosis, notice the difference?
And beyond the diagnosis, notice the difference?
The well-known a lot.. the car is more nervous touching on the advances
Tranky I climbed the last column of the percentage of bp or a 12.5, I had not yet read your advice...you say I try so?or I put it away gold and then try?ori I values for the iq is the maximum that ranges from a low of 7181 to a maximum of 1966 while mod go from 6283 to 1720. maybe it's better to bring it ori or however moddarle not I would like the turbo to me of him surpassed haaha
Change only the area of the new IQ, the leaves of the owers of the rest.
let me know what you think of the mod that I found and edited in the map that I don't know if they serve and limit you the iq but I assume it is correct, change them so, the same with the limiters on gear
Nothing to do always limit to 71 mm3, more or less, however, as the torque delivery at low revs and improved,by tapping on the limiters pushes better around 2000 rpm and then get lost...I know that that if I don't log mes do not understand much. After I try to mount it on a virtual machine if no I have never done such a thing
Nothing to do always limit to 71 mm3, more or less, however, as the torque delivery at low revs and improved,by tapping on the limiters pushes better around 2000 rpm and then get lost...I know that that if I don't log mes do not understand much. After I try to mount it on a virtual machine if no I have never done such a thing
MES runs well on windows evolved.. install on windows that you have and go!
anyway, you said it well.. and computer.. I'll write how to do it virtual!
Simplified procedure:
Install first the driver of the ELM connected to the USB on the PC (the Physical Windows10, or that which is)
Check on "device manager" if you give "CP2101 USB to UART Bridge Controller (COMx)" or similar
If the from and it works, install ESM on the Virtual and insatalli the vmware-tools and the drivers of the MES
At this point, the virtual window you need to share the USB device
Done this everything should work..
I do not guarantee the stability and the integrity of the log that might generate, but better than this with winzozzo nse while ago!
Let me know
ah, an oversight..
"CP2101 USB to UART Bridge Controller (COMx)" under "Ports (COM & LPT)" that appears when plughi (attacks) the usb from the "device manager" !
I finish lunch and I'm going to try,mes, l I have installed time ago, and acts as, the elm had the problem of recognition of the ports or something similar I don't remember
if you port the question is on the "resource manager" as I said above..
Sect a com3, and do the same from the settings of the mes
I think that may solve so
I finish lunch and I'm going to try,mes, l I have installed time ago, and acts as, the elm had the problem of recognition of the ports or something similar I don't remember
You have to install the UART-to-USB or a name like that.. I don't remember.
CP210x USB to UART Bridge Virtual COM Port (VCP)
l I did tranky but nothing,I also tried more than one version, but not to be...anyways buy a new battery for the old laptop and avoid all this popo casino.even if I give myself an explanation of this incompatibility
I fought well but I to ****meter) great software
Good evening guys I am finally back and I have to unlock this absolutely cacchiarola IQ!!! Are waiting the arrival of the new battery for the laptop, and then again for now nothing log...given that it will pass at least some day I want to still work the same on the map and I was wondering: given that the car is more than 70 mm3 I inject you advise me to look for individual bits from the value of 7000 in decimal, or is there to inform the ecu of another? In the meantime, I continue to comb through the whole map and maybe place some address potential
If not put the last mod I see difficult to help you Giusé
The log phallus always in third gear anyway..
Go to the lung in the third (1000rpm), start the log and put it in the tablet arrived above 5000rpm stoppi before releasing the log so that the log is clean and pinto.
Ok tranky today as soon as they are to the pc place the all thanks for the interest
In the next log, please include the pedal position and tries to do as I said a moment ago..
third at 1000rpm, start, log, pedal-100% up to 5000rpm and stoppi the log the rev limiter before you let go of the pedal.
the file you the check as soon as I can, and I hope I can help to solve the limitation of iq that you have
the map is not done well, the maps turbo you haven't changed.. so I don't think that you unlock with the request and I don't like honestly how you made them, the parts to be 100pt and then 150pt up at the bottom of the iq.. I'm at the point scalala to pt.. it is better..
The VGT leave to ori that the systems at the end in case it needs..
have you changed some of the curves with a value of 7000 but does not seem to me to be minimally limiters iq...
maps rail are wrong.. if you change the last point of the bp, you have to increase ALL of the curves in reference to the bp to the % increase given not just the total pressure.
you've rearranged the entire course.. put it in comparison with yours and see the changes.. something I put OWERS, because, according to me is not good the edit mode is made.. on some bp you have 3000-3500-4000-5000-6000-7000 and you cut the 6000 to put 9000.. according to me it is better to remove the 3500..
tranky thanks for the time you've spent,as far as the maps do not "complete" I don't know if you remember but we left pending in order to adapt them later,I have most touched by believing that I have a limited iq to 70 mm3 exact...for this reason I tried limiters and touched almost all of the curves that had this value for the various tests.Now give a look at your file and I will take into consideration your advice on the port of the Bp (if I have understood well do I "outside" the 3500 and stopping all of a place to make room for the 9000 right?) thanks again and buonaserata I go back to smashing some head haha
I forgot, I was giving a look the other day to a map of a giulietta 2.0 mjt 170 horses where the owner had strange loss of iq at the top but could have lower the iq by him set...I took so look at this file to get ideas and I noticed that is not up to date no bp despite being under the 'iq by him set. this was, for example I didn't understand it, but perhaps it eludes me something I don't know
I forgot, I was giving a look the other day to a map of a giulietta 2.0 mjt 170 horses where the owner had strange loss of iq at the top but could have lower the iq by him set...I took so look at this file to get ideas and I noticed that is not up to date no bp despite being under the 'iq by him set. this was, for example I didn't understand it, but perhaps it eludes me something I don't know
Hello, I tried to throw an eye to both the log file of the map, and according to me it is a perfect novice, so take what I say with the springs, but I can think of that the map to the address 1D5784 is a map that restricts the injection of diesel fuel. For example, in your log file you have a value 59,805 mm3 at 3400 rpm, if you look at this map you see that between 3250 and 3500 rpm in the column to 8192 has a value of 6050 and 5900 that I think are consistent with the amount injected you are in the log.
As I said I am deeply inexperienced, try to look if you can be useful. Hello
Hello, I tried to throw an eye to both the log file of the map, and according to me it is a perfect novice, so take what I say with the springs, but I can think of that the map to the address 1D5784 is a map that restricts the injection of diesel fuel. For example, in your log file you have a value 59,805 mm3 at 3400 rpm, if you look at this map you see that between 3250 and 3500 rpm in the column to 8192 has a value of 6050 and 5900 that I think are consistent with the amount injected you are in the log.
As I said I am deeply inexperienced, try to look if you can be useful. Hello
Wrong.
8192 is 100%
I'm trying to risostemaRe everything and to do other tests...hoping is the right time =)
Tranky the info,I saw that in the file you posted you have moddato in the maps pedal curves of 4750 and 5000 rpm,...the ori were set very low I thought because the engine was not to "get there"on those rides.am I wrong? I haven't tried yet on the road but after the 4500 should not intervene the limiter? We are on the red zone of the tachometer*****s, in the next log I will stay this also
I changed all the range of rpm to increase IQ..
Later I see your latest mod and I give you a hand.
I'm sorry, but I had a lot of work these days and I saw and responded, most from the mobile phone without being able to see and log files
I suggest you to load the driver 235_509.. I have seen that gives you a lot more maps in the catalog and it seems to be almost her!
Wrong.
8192 is 100%
The fact that 8192 is at 100% I agree with you, in fact, I think that giuseppe89 in to make the test that he later posted, has not pressed the gas pedal to the full stroke, or 100% for this, I made reference to that column. According to me, that map is a map of the limiting fuel as a function of the pressure of the gas pedal.
On one axis there are the engine rpm and the headers the pressure of the gas pedal. If it was so, for example, to 3250 rpm on 100% of the pressure pedal (the famous 8192) read as the value 6050, which is the limit fuel to be injected is about 60.5 mm3 and 3500 rpm 59 mm3.
By the way, I a small attempt to edit this map I would do it, if you then log the amount injected increases well otherwise I would put all the original as the first, although I expect that if you replace all the original values the value 9000, however, do not arriveresti to inject all that fuel.
Then a little report of your last step..
The map time is already calculated for 90mm3 then ok, gold.
Maps the lambda you put too stechio.. you have to change them ONLY from 1500rpm, at the end of the rounds and not the top otherwise you risk smoking from a standstill or worse still, you sgozzi at the start.
Rail pressure (3 maps) have you changed the bit I don't know what the criteria.. You have to or leave it to ORI since it is already calculated for 90mm3 or increases from 81 to 100 (the bp on the map fixed) up to 1650, and not from 88 to 100 to 1650 as you have done..
Limiters Rail ok
VGT (6 maps) let ori goes well at the moment..
Turbo is missing 2 maps..
Torque limiters wrong.. the top should be 10000 and you put in 10280 and others left gold to 5000
Other maps of the pedal should be good..
Loads the file with the driver that I told you above.. check what you said, change what you need and post the result with log.
In my opinion it's unlocked a few bits elsewhere to get to 90mm3, but the test initially, because it defines ecm.. then move on to the next step..
If not gauges, good maps in the driver is a leap in the dark.
The fact that 8192 is at 100% I agree with you, in fact, I think that giuseppe89 in to make the test that he later posted, has not pressed the gas pedal to the full stroke, or 100% for this, I made reference to that column. According to me, that map is a map of the limiting fuel as a function of the pressure of the gas pedal.
On one axis there are the engine rpm and the headers the pressure of the gas pedal. If it was so, for example, to 3250 rpm on 100% of the pressure pedal (the famous 8192) read as the value 6050, which is the limit fuel to be injected is about 60.5 mm3 and 3500 rpm 59 mm3.
By the way, I a small attempt to edit this map I would do it, if you then log the amount injected increases well otherwise I would put all the original as the first, although I expect that if you replace all the original values the value 9000, however, do not arriveresti to inject all that fuel.
I assume that it is correct, as you say, very definitely is a limiter to bring everything to 90 1d5784 to 1d5954 trying to respect the shape of the curves (there is also makes you straight line, but so you learn a pipe).
switing63 but if a banker ?
Hello guys I'm working on the map according to your advice but I have doubts about it: tranky where you say to leave the ori bit from me touched in the maps of the rail you are referring to the bp that I took it to 9000?the breakpoint stops at 7000 mistake to set it for the 9000?in this way, it is not calculated for 70 mm3? you tell me so give it increases from 81 to 100, bringing the press to 1650 bar,the first of these bits I'll leave the golds?I don't have to raccordarla to facilitate the ascent of the pressure?
I arranged the lambda (one was moddata 0 rmp I do not understand how I did it)
I left ori maps vgt which should be the ones that the driver calls, "pressure turbo (4)" and " turbo pressure #1 (2) confirmed?
The other 2 maps turbo that you say you miss me not I find them sincerely, but tomorrow I will look better.
I put all the limiters that were 10280 (the culprit is that the luca stanca has pulled up on the limiter), setting it to 10000 while I have temporarily left the other at the altitude of 5000 which should be newton right?if they were mm3 not inietterei the 70 series...
I moddato the limiter that has mentioned switing63, I hope to have it done in the proper way.
I noticed then of the maps that seem to surge agl addresses 1fb6ee and 1fb486 would you know if they are? on Bp there seem to be rpm and the Nw.
Guys but I was thinking while reading the various post of the great munro if from the log it seems to me I read 1000 or 1100 mg of air at maximum and turning it with a afr of 14.7, I would have the limitations of iq as with 1000mg / 14,7 = 68,02 mg of diesel, or about 80 mm3, while for the 1100 would be about 88, more or less...from the log I can only remember a few piccata 1100 mg and what I should surpass 80 mm3 if all goes according to plan. In the end of the week I will do a log more in depth maybe it is the lambda or much more likely the lambda limit myself
Guys but I was thinking while reading the various post of the great munro if from the log it seems to me I read 1000 or 1100 mg of air at maximum and turning it with a afr of 14.7, I would have the limitations of iq as with 1000mg / 14,7 = 68,02 mg of diesel, or about 80 mm3, while for the 1100 would be about 88, more or less...from the log I can only remember a few piccata 1100 mg and what I should surpass 80 mm3 if all goes according to plan. In the end of the week I will do a log more in depth maybe it is the lambda or much more likely the lambda limit myself
First decide on ALL the maps IQ, unlock the limiters and then end up doing a log set the AFR to achievement of IQ.. step by step!
I see the map now and I answer to the other questions shortly
Then..
Consider, that for the IQ of 90mm3 the increase of 50 bar, you do it to avoid emptying of the flute at a high rpm and to be able to make any changes on the advances to give something more, to where you want it/you can smoke a little deceiving only to the tablet to the ecu (usually after 80% of the pedal and a few degrees more to make her squirt when you find the thrush turn in the middle of the cabbage!!!!)
Increasing the bp of the rail from the achievement of 90mm3 it is advisable to anticipate to 5mm3 the request of the rail for the top, in order that the pump has a full load to the fulfillment of the request iq already in work and not in the moment of the request (log in to see that the rail does not get to the request at the precise moment of the iq and so scrub a little italy)
as I said, from 50 to 90 mm3 of the map rail, you set the max prx rail 1650 and interpolate from the 1600 gold to 50mm3 up to 90mm3, and so you made a rail for ad-hoc!
For the comment from the rail the previous I was wrong to read the file thinking it was gold to 90mm3.. forgive me!
Pressure turbo you have given almost 1.7 bar load.. safe that holds up the turbine, these pressures? That the turbine mounts ?
Please re-check the maps pedal that you have changed to 5000rpm a few curves and different from other maps, please check out driver any limiters scattered and there are (I think).. days ago it happened to me with a edc16 alfa 150 hp and I found a sea surge up..
Hello Tranky I'm sorry if I answer only now,with regard to specular values to what should I do with the case in which map are you referring to? The rail? For the discourse to anticipate the demand of the maximum prx rail 5mm3 want to create a new bp from 85mm3 having already such pressures? To me the pump is ready for the 90's? The turbo should be a garrett gtb 1446Z that to what I already know, ori works at 1.6 bar but I never made the log from the ori, but as soon as I can I'll one in order to understand how behaves the car with no changes. The map of pedal feel. Last question to scale the bp if, for example, in the map of the rail where I : 500 - 750 -1000 - 1250 - 1500 - 1750 - 2000 - 2250 -2500 - 2750 - 3000 -3500 - 4000 - 5000 - 6000 - 7000 them modifiCassi in this way, or 500 - 750 - 1000- 1250 - 1500 - 1750 - 2000 - 2250 -2500 -3000- 4000 - 5000 - 6000 - 7000 - 8000 - 9000? It would be more correct? Of course, I should redo half the table, however, I think it is a more precise work. I advice? I'm sorry if I break the bales eh hahaha
Hello Tranky I'm sorry if I answer only now,with regard to specular values to what should I do with the case in which map are you referring to? The rail? For the discourse to anticipate the demand of the maximum prx rail 5mm3 want to create a new bp from 85mm3 having already such pressures? To me the pump is ready for the 90's? The turbo should be a garrett gtb 1446Z that to what I already know, ori works at 1.6 bar but I never made the log from the ori, but as soon as I can I'll one in order to understand how behaves the car with no changes. The map of pedal feel. Last question to scale the bp if, for example, in the map of the rail where I : 500 - 750 -1000 - 1250 - 1500 - 1750 - 2000 - 2250 -2500 - 2750 - 3000 -3500 - 4000 - 5000 - 6000 - 7000 them modifiCassi in this way, or 500 - 750 - 1000- 1250 - 1500 - 1750 - 2000 - 2250 -2500 -3000- 4000 - 5000 - 6000 - 7000 - 8000 - 9000? It would be more correct? Of course, I should redo half the table, however, I think it is a more precise work. I advice? I'm sorry if I break the bales eh hahaha
Do you believe, in the end changes little as long as make calculations and tax.. upload it and make a log!
about the gtb 1446Z I can't find directions nor compressor map to define the schemes, but I presume to keep to the regime of the +150 from the 2600 on the map (like many others).
You stay on the 2680 max 2700 and test it without overdoing it and see how it behaves.
values mirrored in the map of the rail...
for the advance of the pressure -5mm3 on the bp, you'll understand what I mean, and operates in such a way that should..
to rescale the whole table rail, LETS LOSE!!!
you do not need to practically nothing.. you could do a good job only by climbing to the iq new and by removing the values xx25 xx50 unnecessary to calculate the ecu.
Note that for every change of the map rail, if you change some of the pressure on the iq/rpm you have to ricalcolarti the advances or the times..
the more pressure you have, the less time it requires, and increase the degrees.. let's say that it is not just that, but timing is so, then the game enters the c factor.u.l.or.metro.. you have to do is log in and see the iq if salt, how much salt, if it follows the turbo, if cala something, fix any lambda and vgt, etc, etc, etc..
try to unlock all the limiters that you find it and upload it..
I look forward to a log!
last thing.. but the car is totally ORI ?
you have direct discharges to, do not have them, you pump the rail more, and not you ?
Explains mpo mechanically something...
I looked at the changes to the map, let's say 1D5784 the one that should be a limiter, I though I would have stopped with the 9000 to the column 8192, the next 9011 and the following the let original. I is a suspicion, because if I take the last column 10650 and I divide it by 8192, I is 130, and this makes me think that this map is used, let's say 2 times, one as the limiter as a function of pedal position and a function of the water temperature, because that 130 I stink so much of the maximum temperature of the water, and then a time exceeded 100%, which applies both to 100% pedal position, and as 100 degrees of temperature of the water. If that were the case, I'd keep the original values for the cut in the diesel fuel, so that when the temperature of the motor increases too much to be protected from the cutting of the diesel. Regarding the log above the maximum value of air that I have seen is 990 in close proximity to 2144 rpm and with turbo pressure at 2684, and then taking into account of the calculations that you used previously hardly be able to inject more than 80mm3 because the maps lambda you will cut the injection.
I looked at the changes to the map, let's say 1D5784 the one that should be a limiter, I though I would have stopped with the 9000 to the column 8192, the next 9011 and the following the let original. I is a suspicion, because if I take the last column 10650 and I divide it by 8192, I is 130, and this makes me think that this map is used, let's say 2 times, one as the limiter as a function of pedal position and a function of the water temperature, because that 130 I stink so much of the maximum temperature of the water, and then a time exceeded 100%, which applies both to 100% pedal position, and as 100 degrees of temperature of the water. If that were the case, I'd keep the original values for the cut in the diesel fuel, so that when the temperature of the motor increases too much to be protected from the cutting of the diesel. Regarding the log above the maximum value of air that I have seen is 990 in close proximity to 2144 rpm and with turbo pressure at 2684, and then taking into account of the calculations that you used previously hardly be able to inject more than 80mm3 because the maps lambda you will cut the injection.
I could say a nonsense since I do not know the car, but 1D5784 brings me more towards the management EGR IQ..
Guys sorry but I have had no problems with the change robottizato now I think I've solved but I'm still shooting for assicurarmene..***** o the car is totally ori apart from the dpf deleted, its but a short I will use a downpipe.then for the next Step, I would like to go the turbo of the 2.0 mjt with respective injectors and pump but more in there.I commit myself to working on the map now
Guys I have a doubt, and I fixed the map rail, and since I was there I calculated for 100 mm3 now I have to adjust the one that the ecm called rail pressure, objective, and noticing that gold is always greater than the map rail,I was wondering what is the function of this map? Correct the pressure if it exceeds that value set and returns it within the limits? How do I moddarla? I am always slightly above the rail, or do I do the same?
I correct and I'll explain better with an example: let's take in consideration in the map table prex rail to address 1fb840 the value of pressure given to the IQ from 70 mm3 at 1000 rpm and corresponds to the 7800 or 780 bar and here we are,and if I am going to try then in the table of the map rail pressure objective to address 1faffc the same value given for the IQ of 70 mm3 to 1000 rpm, I find myself a lower value or 5450 then 545 bar. How they are used these values? What is the strategy used by the ecu? Acts as a mica from "limitarore" this map of the rail? By correcting the request of another map? I'm stuck on this point is unfortunately I don't have time to do a test if not in the weekend...thanks to all
Of course, I'm talking about the map ori without changes
Of course, I'm talking about the map ori without changes
Joseph, you are at a point that YOU have to load the map and do a log.. you're perdendoti in too much chatter and you have to show results.. the rail will be a limiter, check it out well in 2d ... now I don't have the map in hand, but if all the maps the ports to target, you can not get to the prx request, if we do not arrive missing some limiter off.
Now comes to iq determined, and we see the results.. dajeeee
I forgot the files here they are!!
Great job.
Check out the geometry that does not hang from the log.
If error not fixed, you'll have zozzeria in the auction.
For the rest, I'm glad to arrive at the IQ.
Thanks for the collaboration tranky alone there would have never succeeded!!birrozza paid! for the rod I think he has problems with other maps and pressures similar never had failures,but controllero...with regard to the lambda from a log just cala the intake air much lower, the iq although I don't seem to smoke at the exhaust,I'll try to lower a bit the lambda and see how it behaves in the iq
Thanks for the collaboration tranky alone there would have never succeeded!!birrozza paid! for the rod I think he has problems with other maps and pressures similar never had failures,but controllero...with regard to the lambda from a log just cala the intake air much lower, the iq although I don't seem to smoke at the exhaust,I'll try to lower a bit the lambda and see how it behaves in the iq
Now we know that the map 1D5784 is actually a map that restricts the injection of diesel fuel.
tranky for abbare the vgt you mean to lower the value in the map so as to keep the rod more open?I thought I would do this change from 1500 rpm onwards and from 50mm3 up to maximum iq... is correct in this way? another doubt: in this way, the turbo pressure would rise further, or would then be "controlled" according to the value set in the map? I also fixed the second map rail objective that had escaped me.The lambda've set it to 0.9 so as to see if injected and not sfumacchia too. In the end of the week loggo and see how it behaves
For the VGT controls the axes of the bp if they do the IQ correct, in the case of airports ALL over the map, with precise values and to calculate any increase/decrease!
this change does not change anything, beyond piccate turbine that you can have between the objective and the real.
For the lambda, you should always climb it and not leave it static.. at least I'm doing so, and I get the best results.
Hello guys finally I managed to make the log and the car manages to inject all of the 90 mm3 required...the map is obviously to fix it, it pushes quite well even if compared to a map deceives is less gritty but more "soft" in the press...apart from this, the car smokes a lot when it is a tablet then I think you need to check a little bit the duration, given that the advances are calculated up to 70 mm3, how it behaves after that iq?uses the same advances? alleg now the file and the log made
Guys I was fixing the time since I have added to the pressure rail on iq without shorten the time... I was wondering how to make this change, and according to which calculation...I remember reading that the doubling of the rail pressure does not corresponds to a doubling of the iq injected and then use the same percentage between the pressure Increase and the decrease of the times is not correct..***** and I have to move on? There is some calculation at least approximate?
Joseph, if you increase the rail pressure, you don't do anything that affect the iq in the times I do the calculations to % increase according to the iq.. the only thing that you need to change by changing the rail pressure are the advances that you have to recalculate.
of course, with the rail pressure you will need to set the new map smoke.. for the rest I don't think you need to do nothing else!
Thanks tranky just last night I was starting to recalculate the advance payments, however, I am stuck because not having in the map of time the same pressures used by me I must be the first time for a given pressure, and from there recalculate the duration, and consequently, the advances... to do this I have to use interpolation on exel?
Excel? If type h need to know the time for the 1300-Bar and map the times I have the time for the 1200...then I see that for the examples at 4000 rpm l fuel injection terminates at 10° after tdc and then injecting 20 mm3 in most I end up much further and I smoke...but how many laps in then I can give you some degree of advance in addition to ricalcolarmi those for the 90? Thanks again for your help
You by lennard gill.. if you do it before the calculations of the pressures, and from them starts to calculate the advance payments is definitely better.. once you do it on excel you back easy to do it even without...
I, at least, so I started and sometimes I go back to excel, but to learn to do it without after a while..
The calculations do assume you know.. we already discussed in the topic of "the definition of the maps in the ecm"..
Let me know the results and sorry if they are little active, but I have changed employer, and the time is always less for faccendare ecu
I figured Valerio I have to only say thank you to infinity for your help that you have given me and continue to give me.good luck for the new employer!take care!
I figured Valerio I have to only say thank you to infinity for your help that you have given me and continue to give me.good luck for the new employer!take care!
Not have to thank me anything, we are here to confront (at least as long as I do not ban :d ) for the rest I hope you're clear on the info acquired, and you also say one thing..
When you can, within the time allowed by the working life/family, downloaded some files edc16c39 of different cars and try to do some mod.
You'll see that each ecu has parameters that are different despite the same subfamiglia.. I tested it recently on these ecu's and a 147 150cv came out crazy to bring it to 120mm3 but in the end.. I WIN !
I'm glad that you succeed in your intent,you are of the opinion that you should never give up and the goals you reach, always!good continuation to you and sammai should serve you something are available!
Tranky but the formula to interpolate the time values on every rail is the same? Example: with a pressure of 1600 bar and an iq of 90 mm3 I need from table 1105 us.I also know that The same iq at 1800 bar need 1024 us I need to know the new time for the rail pressure flow-rate to 1650 then I do: 1.024+(1.105−1.024)×(1.650−1.600)÷(1.800−1.600)= 1044,25 us
Is correct this formula? Are approximate values, right?
Something is wrong...if I apply this formula to find the time for the pressure of 780 bar knowing at the table, one for 800 bar,the result is a value closer to the time of 600 bar(i.e. the other point that is used in interporlazione ) that the 800, from which it differs only up to 20 bar...are in the flask now
I'm seeing as a mod informed a giulietta 2.0 170cv... and as usual I cuts of diesel fuel in 5th and 6th gear resulting in a return to the original performance in these marches... while in the 1st to 4th you can feel the difference between mod and ori...
now I confrato my file with this one here , where you read 90mm3 from diagnosis on , and the limiters iq I had them already all unlocked etc , the only maps that do not touch are these two, in axis we have the engine rpm - iq , and as the values seem to be % pedal , but I see that you have been moddati as limiters iq , in fact, have been brought the curves to the value of 9000 (the pedal 100% it stops instead at the value of 8192...)
also because you brought the limiters iq to 1000nm ? when ori, they are already at 500nm and do not limit anything? or that value 1000 = 100mm3, and then 500= 50mm3 , but I don't think given that stock 2.0 injects already 77mm3 to 4 thousand rpm and 100% pedal.... in short, I am a bit confused , if you want I can attach my mod and ori
1C82AC
1C84F0
I'm seeing as a mod informed a giulietta 2.0 170cv... and as usual I cuts of diesel fuel in 5th and 6th gear resulting in a return to the original performance in these marches... while in the 1st to 4th you can feel the difference between mod and ori...
now I confrato my file with this one here , where you read 90mm3 from diagnosis on , and the limiters iq I had them already all unlocked etc , the only maps that do not touch are these two, in axis we have the engine rpm - iq , and as the values seem to be % pedal , but I see that you have been moddati as limiters iq , in fact, have been brought the curves to the value of 9000 (the pedal 100% it stops instead at the value of 8192...)
also because you brought the limiters iq to 1000nm ? when ori, they are already at 500nm and do not limit anything? or that value 1000 = 100mm3, and then 500= 50mm3 , but I don't think given that stock 2.0 injects already 77mm3 to 4 thousand rpm and 100% pedal.... in short, I am a bit confused , if you want I can attach my mod and ori
1C82AC
1C84F0
Doesn't it seem like the Topic wrong to speak of Juliet?
Something is wrong...if I apply this formula to find the time for the pressure of 780 bar knowing at the table, one for 800 bar,the result is a value closer to the time of 600 bar(i.e. the other point that is used in interporlazione ) that the 800, from which it differs only up to 20 bar...are in the flask now
You first need to calculate the conversion factor on rpm, and then uses it to calculate the advance payments on the pressure..
Review calculations from scratch, and congratulations to the tenacity of Joseph.
You are almost there!
Doesn't it seem like the Topic wrong to speak of Juliet?
in fact, I'm not talking about juliet , the address map is referred to the files of the delta 1.6 mjt and having found those changes , the analyzing axes and values , not understand what's the use - refer...
A friend proofread what you wrote above and I quoted.
Anyway, flame on.. I have No PC at hand.. If I explain it better or attach a IMG I try to attain to enlightenment. Until do not develop ECM on android will be a delusion to help by phone
8192 on edc16 you can find both on the lambda that the pedal so it definitely is one of the two.
Increase beyond the value of 8192 does not lead to anything, of course..
I hope I have understood what you mean as a map..
A friend proofread what you wrote above and I quoted.
Anyway, flame on.. I have No PC at hand.. If I explain it better or attach a IMG I try to attain to enlightenment. Until do not develop ECM on android will be a delusion to help by phone
8192 on edc16 you can find both on the lambda that the pedal so it definitely is one of the two.
Increase beyond the value of 8192 does not lead to anything, of course..
I hope I have understood what you mean as a map..
no flame , I had just asked what was the point of that map in the files of the delta indicating the addresses , and if I was not clear I could post my files to see which addresses I was referring to the map all here
here are the maps to which I refer in the files of the delta shown here
not for nothing the lambda , surely, and the values are brought to the 9000 not understanding the reason
no flame , I had just asked what was the point of that map in the files of the delta indicating the addresses , and if I was not clear I could post my files to see which addresses I was referring to the map all here
here are the maps to which I refer in the files of the delta shown here
not for nothing the lambda , surely, and the values are brought to the 9000 not understanding the reason
At glance it looks like a map of the limiting fuel injection on the z-axis, the iq but the conditions of this map I unknown..
Tranky what do you mean by conversion factor on the rpm? I don't understand what you mean the rpms are in the clear.now I'm not at the pc tonight to recheck all the calculations
Then Joseph... Pass in behind, and we clearly..
Formula to find the degrees of advance:
RPM/60/1000000x360= degrees per microsecond (the factor mentioned before)
degrees per microsecond x times on IQ (ori or increased according to what you want to do that you can find on the pressure expressed in microseconds ) = degrees of duration
When you calculate this, you must make a comparison between ORI and MOD and see how many degrees go in the post and try to get the injection.
These calculations fouls from 1500rpm to 4500 (the end of the stair rail) and the rest of the fit to the ecu (also known as the lambda, in fact).
Try to bring some calculation table to at least talk about it the better that see maps
Tranky the formula that I have used is rpm*360* Tiny /60000000 I get so the duration in liked it. By subtracting the degrees of advance I comes out how many degrees I ends l injection... so far everything is ok. The problem I have is that in the map the times I have the bp for certain values of rail pressure (e.g. 800 bar ) if I but I moddato map rail raising and then the pressures on IQ I will have to, consequently, shorten the time, right? We put the case that the rail pressure the is increased from 800 to 1000 bar how do I organize the Tiny? For the values that I've already used in the map ori (for example 1600 bar) use the formula found here in a post that has the seguentè Tiny = (IQ*(K)/square root Prail
This, however, after having calculated the factor K for that curve (1600 bar in this case), and I calculate it the tiny to the new iq,but for 1650 bar how do I calculate them? In percentage, it seems to me too approximate, or am I wrong?
As soon as I can I create a table so maybe it is more easy to explain. In practice, I do not understand how to adjust the timing so "precise" to the new pressure rail on the iq set in the map rail
The time is always on the increase on the IQ new and do not change.
The advances in the li calculations in the formula.
Then a fattorencome told you above calculations the new IQ advances on the basis of the new p.rail.
I forgot,in one of the sheets in the file I made of the examples of the calculations for the new iq calcolandomi the K-factor for the curve and for calcolarmi the new tiny but the pressures increased I don't know how to move
The formula to remember here so it is easier to make calculations of comparison,premising that I write literally "square root"instead of srqt in order not to confuse any person,as well as the symbol " x "to indicate a multiplication instead of the symbol "*".
k=(the square root of the prex rail) x tinj/Qi
Oi=(square root of the prex rail) x tinj/k
Tinj=(Qi x k) : square root of the prex rail.
Taking the example of a edc15c6 tells me that the curve ori corresponding to 1350bar that the duration is Us1230 to 70mm3,obviously the injectors are original.
then,
k=(square root of 1350) x 1230/70=645,61551..
Qi=(square root of 1350) x 1230/645,61551..
Tinj=(70 x 645,61551...) : (the square root of 1350bar)=1230
Now,to equal the k-factor, and rail pressure,is that I use the formula,whether I face proportion, the result does not change.I have always a linear increase.
Formula :
T inj= (85 x 645,61551..) : square root of 1350=1493,..(In the formula, we see that the only information that varies is the amount of the mm3 of fuel,then mathematically will be a proportion as a (85 :70) x 1230=1493,..as it is.
Thank you munro for the intervention,this is the formula that I use I also a parity of rail pressure, but let's say for the example you posted we decide to change the rail pressure, bringing it from 1350 to 1500 bar, we now know that the T iny for the 85 mm3 is equivalent to 1493 us, but raising the rail pressure as the recalculation of the whole? By changing the map-rail, do I have to change the timing? Even if theoretically them I'd let ori?
I'm sorry I wasn't at the pc and I did a little confusion,let me explain better. I'm calculating the duration and I used the following formula : rpm*360* Tiny /60000000 .
Here's an example, calculating the duration for the maximum iq that is 70 mm3 4,000 rpm. Then multiplies
4000 x 360 x 923 / 60000000 = 22.15 °
Obviously, 923 are the us that I have in the map times to 1600 bar and 70 mm3,having that pressure rail map rail for that iq and rpm.
Redoing the same calculation for the 2500 Rpm I find myself in the map rail, and a pressure of 1450 bar,the pressure in the map the times I have not, but I find myself 1400 bar... I Know that the ecu interpolates and, if obtained, if the us needed to that prx rail but I dovendomi calcolarmi advances like I need to move? In this case I have parameters very similar between 1400 and 1450 bar,but in different cases? How to calculate the correct duration, and consequently, the advances? For 1400 bar need 987 us mind for 1450? This is the problem
Redo the calculation with the factor k with the new Press rail, and you know that time you have to use..
Of course, the tinj with more rail pressure will shorten slightly, and in theory you could use the advances in stock
Excuse the' ignorance munro but the factor K in the calculation, knowing the tiny for a certain pressure right? Calculating the k for a curve of 1600 Bar, and use this k for the iq, which I wish always to the med th pressure...but pressure for which I do not have Tiny in the table? For Example, to 1700 Bar as a calculation the K-factor is not knowing the tiny?I miss this
Look at the formulas that
Look at the formulas that
Munro your message was posted incomplete, are you referring to the formulas that I've posted? also using the reverse formulas I always missing...for calcolarmi the k of a new pressure I would need a tiny reference, and therefore am stuck... if I use the inverse proportion, it is not too rough? the tiny on prex is not a constant
Everything is there other formulas there are I if are I are not aware of..varies only the calculation with the rail pressure into the square root you will see that the rise of the Press, there is a shortening of the tinj..
Test of both calculations are for now, do not write anything into the ecu
Maybe there are... then Returning to the example of 70 mm3 to 1600 bar and 923 us of the Tiny me to calculate the k which is equivalent to 527,42.
At this point I do 70 x 527,42 : square root of 1650 = 908 us, and rightly, the time is shortened I believe that finally we have arrived!! There I put a bit too much I admit! is correct then do so?
It is one of the correct ways..
In practice, knowing the pressure and time through the constant(K) do you know the new iq..knew this calculate all and simple..
Thank you so much Munro!I was stuck bad on this calculation! But what about the advances it is correct to finish up the injection at Tdc or it is advisable to maintain the degree of post which has been set by the manufacturer?
Usually you tend to stay in the "window" injection provided by the manufacturer, because this last one has spent time and resources for that..
Thank you so much Munro!I was stuck bad on this calculation! But what about the advances it is correct to finish up the injection at Tdc or it is advisable to maintain the degree of post which has been set by the manufacturer?
EXCEL table !!!!
Trust that stays with you longer drinking it in the table for the start..
can you please post the one that I used.. so much for the info..
thanks tranky me you already sent your excel sheet of calculation and it's exactly what I'm "building" my to get a clearer view of the advances I'm first calculating the duration for the map ori from 1500 rpm on, and the iq from 5mm3 to rise so as to know in which window do I need to stay for the iq increase, and do so nice work, clean...for the little time I have and for the many calculations to be performed are still in the middle of work but I'll make it!!
The formula to remember here so it is easier to make calculations of comparison,premising that I write literally "square root"instead of srqt in order not to confuse any person,as well as the symbol " x "to indicate a multiplication instead of the symbol "*".
k=(the square root of the prex rail) x tinj/Qi
Oi=(square root of the prex rail) x tinj/k
Tinj=(Qi x k) : square root of the prex rail.
Taking the example of a edc15c6 tells me that the curve ori corresponding to 1350bar that the duration is Us1230 to 70mm3,obviously the injectors are original.
then,
k=(square root of 1350) x 1230/70=645,61551..
Qi=(square root of 1350) x 1230/645,61551..
Tinj=(70 x 645,61551...) : (the square root of 1350bar)=1230
Now,to equal the k-factor, and rail pressure,is that I use the formula,whether I face proportion, the result does not change.I have always a linear increase.
Formula :
T inj= (85 x 645,61551..) : square root of 1350=1493,..(In the formula, we see that the only information that varies is the amount of the mm3 of fuel,then mathematically will be a proportion as a (85 :70) x 1230=1493,..as it is.
Munro I tried the formulas as you defined, but does not return anything...
then.. I try to calculate K (I assume you meant advances with a K) then I:
QI static = 100mm3
so here the calculation only in the column of the new IQ of the bp changed without the other iq at the moment and I calculate the time and the rail pressure
Tinj on prx.rail set in the table:
1000bar = 1394.8
1150bar = 1311.2
1300bar = 1220.4
1450bar = 1126
1500bar = 1062.53
1600bar = 1030.8
1700bar = 995
1800bar = 959.2
then having this can I:
prx.rail on rpm
1500rpm = 1114
1750rpm = 1229
2000rpm = 1343
2250rpm = 1457
2500rpm = 1571
3000rpm = 1686
3500rpm->5000rpm = 1800 (here the value is static to 1800bar by 3500rpm at the end of the scale)
to 1500bar, k = (rq 1500) x (1062.53/100)
38.72 x 10.62 = K = 411.41 <-- seems to count as a value, no?
at this point xo if I divide instead of multiply, I get:
38.72 : 10.62 = K = 3.64 <-- 1500rpm ori 1.8 on 70mm3 I would say that seems correct..
It is the wrong formula or something is missing to calculate the advance payments ?
Tranky the formula posted by munro used to calculate the new Tiny is if you want to increase it,and if you must shorten it to a raising of the rail. Here's an example :if we want to calculate the K-factor curve of 1600 bar take from the map time tiny for 70 mm3,in my map corresponds to 923 us if I'm not mistaken. From here we take the rd of 1600 x 923 /70 and we find the k that corresponds to 527,4285714286 . Now, if we want to raise the iq to 100 mm3, and let the prex rail 1600 bar we multiply k x the new iq 100 and divide it by the square root of 1600 bar... so we 1.318 us for the 100 mm3. Then, if we want to bring the prex rail 1800 bar in the last part of the calculation we replace 1800 to 1600 and get 1.243 us... with this calculation we get the tiny which we then have to convert to angles of rotation of the motor shaft and have the duration in had regard to whom then subtract the degrees of advance to know where it ends l injection
Tranky the formula posted by munro used to calculate the new Tiny is if you want to increase it,and if you must shorten it to a raising of the rail. Here's an example :if we want to calculate the K-factor curve of 1600 bar take from the map time tiny for 70 mm3,in my map corresponds to 923 us if I'm not mistaken. From here we take the rd of 1600 x 923 /70 and we find the k that corresponds to 527,4285714286 . Now, if we want to raise the iq to 100 mm3, and let the prex rail 1600 bar we multiply k x the new iq 100 and divide it by the square root of 1600 bar... so we 1.318 us for the 100 mm3. Then, if we want to bring the prex rail 1800 bar in the last part of the calculation we replace 1800 to 1600 and get 1.243 us... with this calculation we get the tiny which we then have to convert to angles of rotation of the motor shaft and have the duration in had regard to whom then subtract the degrees of advance to know where it ends l injection
and luckily you were behind me.. I'm the caper of Joseph!!! you that you're someone!!! :D
Thanks for the clarification, missed the part of converting from degrees in fact.. I thought it was included in the formula that, in fact, was not returned..
thanks friend
I'm glad to helped you be that way!and anyway, up until now, I've always taught you many times and then you're still in advantage hahhaha it is always a pleasure to help!
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