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Hello all, I'm aventurando in this world,both chip tuning and forum indeed, as discussed below, I ask in advance sorry if I committed some error,I would like some advice on how to start better,I have to buy first of all the equipment I gave a look at two software one is winols but it seems very complicated, I believe, both by the experts and one ecm2001 much more intuitive,and for the equipment I would have thought of kessv2 or ktag that I can't understand the difference coregettemi if I'm wrong but I believe that the kess-face reading and writing only from the diagnostic socket and the ktag only mode bdm I ask you who are more experienced to be able to lighten the ideas,thanks in advance.
Hello, as far as the software is actually the ecm 2001 or titanium are a bit more intuitive and easy to use for start, but if you then want to go into better winols you will be most comfortable and complete.
For the hardware, you understand how they work.
My advice is to start with the ecm so you can compare well and in a clear way the different original files and processed and then possibly move to winols.
For the hardware instead of the kess and ktag are nice tools but you have to get them to buy both if you want to work well.
Or you can take the cock that you do both things
Also the rooster is good but with kess and ktag can't even make the drive recent, then I consider it to be the best even if I have a cock
I thank you both for the quick response, I think that to start then I will buy all alientech, and is there a difference between ecm and titanium, which of the two is the most recent I didn't know this titanium of who the manufacturer is,then already that there are I take advantage of kindness and I ask you with which software do I need to equip for delete egr fap and speed limiter, the ecm or titanium are unable to, or do I have to purchase another software, thanks again
the most recent is the titanium, which is also good but you have to have a bit of knowledge of the maps because not all of those lists are actually their
Sorry mafani xke you say Ke maps Ke lists nn are those the actual on the ecm ?? And then he wants to explain as you go recognizes the map?
Anyway teamFox and I to read and write using mpps, and I am not evil
hello then mpps should be well enough to read and write,of course, is limited only to the serial,as far as the ecm, what I've said is that if you open the file not all of the maps you list are actually their have to have them visible in 2d
I think I understood then that in order to be complete, you need to have a tool for the serial is one for bdm, correct me if I'm wrong, I do not understand, however, one thing mafani, what does that mean, however, you have to check the maps in 2d, perhaps even if you open a map the values that gives you edit are not those, for example, the map gas is not really that, not all the times, then, even if I have to choose well the Sw model and hd decoding
I think I understood then that in order to be complete, you need to have a tool for the serial is one for bdm, correct me if I'm wrong, I do not understand, however, one thing mafani, what does that mean, however, you have to check the maps in 2d, perhaps even if you open a map the values that gives you edit are not those, for example, the map gas is not really that, not all the times, then, even if I have to choose well the Sw model and hd decoding
The reading from the vehicle to the pc you can make it with any tool you have as long as they have compatible protocols, then with mpps you can make easily group, alfa/fiat until a few years ago. For the rest of the ecu, and, in a special way the ecu of the new generation (edc17, most) have the antituning that blocks read and write, and you may not use or tool/cables, drivers, or find out how to bypass the block, but you need special hardware for the first reading that the 90% do in bdm (bench).
About the ECM, you have been advised to use the visuals in 2D as that bad software interprets the contents of the maps and where you say, for example, "the map turbo" if you see the 2D map is not turbo but maybe the vgt. You have to learn how to read the maps on the basis of its bp that you find at the beginning of the map (usually.. then change from ecu to ecu).
I hope I was esaudiente.
Hello
Ok clear,****llo of equipment it takes both an obd system be a bdm to ecu especially for edc17 that have this anti-tuning that can be made by bdm ok, and what do you think of the size of the sport I have proposed is the Genius of their own bdm however, the costs are far higher than aliantech ( even if they do not have)
however, beginning with the right foot if it is with genius that alientech. I suggest, however, a tool that lets you make backup ,even if the serial port (obd)is a convenience
but it could have its risks.
thanks obd75 I could explain better the discourse of the open,I think it's different to do it by obd or bdm if the ecu stops responding, and I do not have the backup and want to restore in bdm, I can do nothing because the backup in the obd is different from the bdm, I think this is so? and anyway alietech is the backup with kess and ktag?,and I ask for the difference between jtag and ktag
thanks obd75 I could explain better the discourse of the open,I think it's different to do it by obd or bdm if the ecu stops responding, and I do not have the backup and want to restore in bdm, I can do nothing because the backup in the obd is different from the bdm, I think this is so? and anyway alietech is the backup with kess and ktag?,and I ask for the difference between jtag and ktag
Many times it also happens with mpps that blocks the ecu but there is the possibility of "force" writing and resumes.
Obviously working in a bdm, the writing is direct on the flash and then not worry about any protocols of writing seen in the bdm is the point.point while with the obd is the point.iso.point.
here you have the difference between jtag and ktag
For the question up in the obd you can only do the flash, while in the bdm to save all the memories flash e2p and eprom
Quiet.. I don't know if you have skills on the PC.. the address is roughly similar.
I am attaching a guide from read only to realize what you are talking about.. don't have to study it to memory since it can only make you more confusion than the other..
So much for the indication, I say to you:
The flash is the memory "volatile" of the ecu which contains information of load condition of the car
The eprom contains the software running the information that calls the flash
the e2prom contains code such as: code key - codes - injectors etc..etc..
I see that you had some good answers ....
unfortunately I can not access any type of files I guess because I'm a newbie anyway, I think I understood that with reading the obd read only memory where the content of the map, and if in the obd you should freeze I miss all the rest for you to restore in bdm ,I gather that converebbe to do everything in the bdm so I keep the backup and maybe for touch-ups I do all of this in the obd so if I get stuck having the backup in bdm I can restore it,I believe that it should be so coreggetemi if I'm wrong sorry for the impulsivita and I ask you for delete egr fap and code key instrumentation occorerebbe or just always kess+ktag and other software thanks to all
unfortunately I can not access any type of files I guess because I'm a newbie anyway, I think I understood that with reading the obd read only memory where the content of the map, and if in the obd you should freeze I miss all the rest for you to restore in bdm ,I gather that converebbe to do everything in the bdm so I keep the backup and maybe for touch-ups I do all of this in the obd so if I get stuck having the backup in bdm I can restore it,I believe that it should be so coreggetemi if I'm wrong sorry for the impulsivita and I ask you for delete egr fap and code key instrumentation occorerebbe or just always kess+ktag and other software thanks to all
If you read the rules, download you are granted only after the 80msg.
If you are looking for on the internet "records of electronic processing," you will find that pdf anyway..
About the backup is always better to have it.. for the EGR and DPF depends on the type of ECU, some do it with software other to manella (or all manella if you're good).
Remember that processing is a function that you do after you have saved on the pc the file of the ecu, so any device you use to read and write is totally indifferent as long as the functions!
The processing of the file you do it with various methods.. hexdump - ECM/WinOLS/map3d/etc., etc..
Remember, very important thing.. ALWAYS check the checksum of the file before write it to the ecu..
Correlo such information, saying that in all this you should also have a diagnostic device, otherwise do the processing in the blind!
Sorry if I'm picky, but better to clarify this before!
okk tranky understood, but that it means "to manella if you're good,"the pdf I found it now I read and try to understand, and the checksum titanium does it all automatically? or does it take the software part(the checksum I think it is the temperature control of the integrity of the files is a little bit like you do when you do it with a fail downloaded from the network is used to check if you downloaded everything and is healthy?)
Forgive me for the Roman dialect.. but in the mean hand.
The checksum is the corrects the ECM or the galletto or mpps that is.. in writing, but not always.
The checksum is an md5 as a file as you said and here you've got it!
but we hope anyway I am leaving with kess and jtag even if the investment is large,for you to spend a little less than that aparechiatura recommended a package obd bdm, say, more economic,even if you here from me (pistoia ) on the 5 that are control units 3 have aliantech
Unless you find chinese clones partially valid and very cheap in comparison with the original.
Currency you
Actually the temptation of the clones at least to try and strong but the stuff chinese......but,it is always in terms of equipment such as welders and power supplies for powering the controller to the tour what would you recommend for me, and as a template since I do not know nor Brands and models, because Components, software and tools, I don't know if you need another rig
I can say that the clones work, and spend a penny compared to the original, but you don't have any support and update.
If you want to start a mpps should be fine and is very easy to use but limited. The cock the one doing the bdm is more complete but more difficult and for the bdm serves as the template if you don't want to solder. You will also need to get the cables diagnosis obd.
For the ecm software can go to start with because it is Very intuitive but it happens that maps are to be checked. If you use it in 2d without any drivers and you have the eye go to big but there goes the experience. To remove the egr there are software that work well but always check what they have done before uploading to fap often take too many things or you have resume to hand...
Search volta ecusafe or carsoftware...
okk ecusafe I've heard,the other two are not you have the indirizi of the producers to see a little how they work
and as welder, hot air and power supply that I recommended?
Welder? Unless you don't want to map a one turbo serves no purpose. Buy a template
I need a welder for automotive airbags to reset the crach,and the power supply to power the ecu? Can serve
In fact, I didn't want to buy cineserie, I can advise the brand and model of a hot air station discreet,then I was evaluating some software to map and in some I read, including "damos " and who are they?
In fact, I didn't want to buy cineserie, I can advise the brand and model of a hot air station discreet,then I was evaluating some software to map and in some I read, including "damos " and who are they?
For the soldering station test to see on the website if they sell something, and the damos are "indexes" that define what they are the tracks of the map, and their function on the basis of what (as defined in the BP) on winols. Comparable to the drivers of ECM we say but much more detailed.
Understand, however, why some sellers sell ecm titanium together, these damos can be used together with ecm titanium?
Understand, however, why some sellers sell ecm titanium together, these damos can be used together with ecm titanium?
You can also find those who sell human organs but not for this reason be said that they are transplantable..
Basically I sold something that I needed,I ordered both kess and ktag ( cn) so, to start, and try if they are able but are looking for ecmtitanium I find around only the version 1.61 with about 18000 driver do you know which version it is now, so to understand if I sell a program that old
A question, I am trying to read with kessv2 an old polo 1.4 bby me from reading time 30 minutes is this normal?
The latest version is 1.79, with nearly 33000 driver but to begin with I think goes well with the 1.61 that is the last to be free.
For the reading times is normal even 58min happened to me, by reading the obd
But I'm curious about the titanium free?????????? I do understand!!!!!!!!
For free means with download ******without the need of paying for it
For free means with download ******without the need of paying for it
discussion over regulation.. the eye
Hello from a beginner, I recommend you kess and ktag are very reliable ... and follow you step by step on everything that you need to do ... and they also have a nice car park .... good day
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