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I want to share my map after some reflections and new documents that are found I hope it's not so horrible !!
I'm sorry , but that go to trial??? it would not be a bad idea, a basic course.........
BUT this is a basic course I have it and I'm also an ex mechanic. The problem is that I have not familiar with these programs, and for this I was wondering the opinions of someone more experienced !!
I want to share my map after some reflections and new documents that are found I hope it's not so horrible !!
All in the trash!
you set limiters torque to 380, and require more than 400 in the maps.
you have changed the torque in the starter that serves no purpose.
You have not touched even a limiter out of the driver.
According to me, so you don't realize even that you have mapped the drive in guide.
Restart from scratch the friend, you do the calculations of how much you want to go and where to go and tap the maps about.
The map iq/nm you've already set up from the house to 500nm, set the iq that you want to achieve and system the rest.
Lack of maps, such as time and phase inj (you're nasty?)
To finish the logic of the turbo I have..
Good job friend
All in the trash!
you set limiters torque to 380, and require more than 400 in the maps.
you have changed the torque in the starter that serves no purpose.
You have not touched even a limiter out of the driver.
According to me, so you don't realize even that you have mapped the drive in guide.
Restart from scratch the friend, you do the calculations of how much you want to go and where to go and tap the maps about.
The map iq/nm you've already set up from the house to 500nm, set the iq that you want to achieve and system the rest.
Lack of maps, such as time and phase inj (you're nasty?)
To finish the logic of the turbo I have..
Good job friend
Is doing the first maps.....the times and advances (injection phase) instead we should leave the ori now do not need to touch them if must not be longer than 80mm3.
I want to share my map after some reflections and new documents that are found I hope it's not so horrible !!
Ok but you must not open a new discussion for each step you do. Before, he studied well all the material that there is in the.Forum on this ecu that you have to as well. When you're to the point of knowing go beyond seats on the map and you will see that someone helps you to make the step.
Ok but you must not open a new discussion for each step you do. Before, he studied well all the material that there is in the.Forum on this ecu that you have to as well. When you're to the point of knowing go beyond seats on the map and you will see that someone helps you to make the step.
fully agree with you , the problem is that I can download maps from the forum, in any case, the maps you posted are throw away.
Hello Cristian147, I'm a very newbie and I have much to learn, so I tried to download your map and I threw a eye. Then I will tell you my impressions which are obviously from inexperienced user, so take everything with pliers.
I have seen that you have increased by 10% across the curve "torque limiter", according to me, the values at 410, and 990 laps them you could leave the original 3000. But this, I believe, is a detail. Instead the map at the address 1CC0F8, I think it's remained the original, but which I go modified. I'll explain better with an example. At 4000 rpm with 100% pressure on the pedal in the map drivers wish you ask 3960, the torque limiter set at 3498 and so far ok, the conversion of torque/diesel returns as the value 7034, or 70,34 mm3 of diesel oil, however, in this map that you said you have the limit set again to the original value of 6300, so at the end of more than 63,00 mm3 of diesel fuel does not inject.
I repeat I am very inexperienced, however, I think that this map goes changed, bringing to at least that value from the 6300 a 7050 if you want to inject the diesel fuel that you had set as a goal. This example is at 4000 rpm, obviously you have to change the values for all the other revolutions.
Hello Cristian147, I'm a very newbie and I have much to learn, so I tried to download your map and I threw a eye. Then I will tell you my impressions which are obviously from inexperienced user, so take everything with pliers.
I have seen that you have increased by 10% across the curve "torque limiter", according to me, the values at 410, and 990 laps them you could leave the original 3000. But this, I believe, is a detail. Instead the map at the address 1CC0F8, I think it's remained the original, but which I go modified. I'll explain better with an example. At 4000 rpm with 100% pressure on the pedal in the map drivers wish you ask 3960, the torque limiter set at 3498 and so far ok, the conversion of torque/diesel returns as the value 7034, or 70,34 mm3 of diesel oil, however, in this map that you said you have the limit set again to the original value of 6300, so at the end of more than 63,00 mm3 of diesel fuel does not inject.
I repeat I am very inexperienced, however, I think that this map goes changed, bringing to at least that value from the 6300 a 7050 if you want to inject the diesel fuel that you had set as a goal. This example is at 4000 rpm, obviously you have to change the values for all the other revolutions.
You're absolutely right Switing63 the my problem and that I realize is the gap big because they are new to the world of mapping units...is to understand the maps! Until the beginning of the 90's, I was a mechanical trainer there were already the first units but I do not worked on me. I was in charge of the mechanics of the engine .....I was preparing the car when there was the ignition distributor on engines ! An old mechanic I know I also that if I want power I need more fuel,etc., But my bigger problem is caire these programs. For me to do a stoichiometric ratio or a compression, etc...I don't want anything. The big problem is their maps :-)
Anyway, now to understand a little better I'm watching mape here and the ....and I will post other mappings in order to exchange opinions together .
Thanks again for having responded to me, and even if a novice as you say ...you were very clear !
Switing63 a question, but you're talking about ECM or winols? I'm becoming an idiot hahahahah
Let's see if this map should be better....and if I start to understand something
Switing63 a question, but you're talking about ECM or winols? I'm becoming an idiot hahahahah
I use the version that is downloadable from the site evc of winols. Of course, being a demo version not allows you to save the changes, you can not make them read the damos, and other limitations, but since I am in a study phase to understand a little of how to reason in these units at the moment, he is enough.
Hello Cristian147, I tried to throw an eye to your second map and according to me it is a perfect novice, it seems to me much worse than the first.
The map of pedal is not consistent with the torque limiter which seems to me to have this increased to 30%.
For example, at 4000 rpm, with pressure on the pedal 100% ask 396,0 Nm and then you have the limiter at the same rpm at 413,4 Nm, so in reality it is the map of pedal that demands less torque from the limiter, and then serves it the same on the limiter, sorry for the big mess of words but I hope I explained myself. According to me it should be the opposite, for example, to map the pedal, I ask, 420 Nm, and then the limiter I saw the request to 413,4.
Once it is determined that the request is 413,4 Nm step from the map to the address 1CDBF6 that converts the torque demand, in the amount of diesel fuel, this map, according to me, you shouldn't have to change it if you want to make a map "informed" (but maybe you had decided to do it "deceived" and this I do not know) at this point, the value that comes back to you is equal to 87,26mm3 of diesel.
Here according to me is already the first problem, because going over the 80mm3 of fuel will results in a recalculation of the timing of fuel injection and it is not easy, so for the first few times I'd be happy to not exceed this quantity, and, therefore, I would share from the first map that you have done that, it seems to me more conservative for the engine.
Anyway, before you can determine the quantity to be injected, the control unit controls the other map such as the map relief of the amount of fuel injected as a function of its temperature, to the address 1CF428. The numbers you see above the columns, type 2531, 3131 are the temperatures. To get the values in degrees celsius you have to divide by 10 and subtract 273,1 then 2531 corresponds to -20, 3131 corresponds to 40° and so on. From the original map limits up to 80° temperature diesel fuel 85mm3, then without modification of the 87,26mm3 would be cut to 85.
But that is not the end, there is also the map at the address 1CC0F8 that has remained the original and then with the pedal at 100% and the rpm is 4000 is set to 63mm3, and then the amount will be further cut to 63, which is the original value, and then at the end without changing this map, the machine will inject the exact quantity from the original, and then you will not have any minimum increment of performance.
There would be a other map to the address 1CC034 that should be a limiter in function of the temperature of the water in the radiator, but I have doubts on the fact that it is active, here we need an expert, because if it were active, would it also changed.
I'm reorganising the map that I will upload as soon as it is ready!!!
All in the trash!
you set limiters torque to 380, and require more than 400 in the maps.
you have changed the torque in the starter that serves no purpose.
You have not touched even a limiter out of the driver.
According to me, so you don't realize even that you have mapped the drive in guide.
Restart from scratch the friend, you do the calculations of how much you want to go and where to go and tap the maps about.
The map iq/nm you've already set up from the house to 500nm, set the iq that you want to achieve and system the rest.
Lack of maps, such as time and phase inj (you're nasty?)
To finish the logic of the turbo I have..
Good job friend
very good reasoning
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