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Hello to all,
I have attached the map file which I was uploaded some time ago. The problem that presents itself is between 1500 and 2000 rpm with a dose of throttle low: the reaction is to have vibration of the car ( to understand each other seems a gasoline engine which is switched off, a cylinder, strattona), which disappear by releasing the accelerator or or increased.
Tired of this situation, I set out to do and I read the map with Mpps and then to open with ECM Titanium.
The maps that are changed compared to the golds are:
- injection zoned
- press turbo f(temp)
- torque limiter
- torque limiter 2
- torque limiter 3
The car has mounted panel filter Bmc and no longer has the dpf.
At my disposal I have the software: ECM Titanium 1.61 ECM 2001 6.3 and Mpps 16.1.0.2
The control unit has HW 0281017514 and SW 1037515044.
Thanks to those who I will want to give some suggestion.
P. s. I hope I used the right section!
Hello , unfortunately I do not have the permission to download the map so I can't verify it , but these strattonamenti them you have always had from the time that you loaded the map or have sprung up suddenly.
It would be interesting to know how much time has been loaded to the map mod and from how much time you have is the defect.
The EGR was closed, and also the FAP deleted with some Software..
But this machine does not have the Swirl?
Pane the map in addition to having done nothing of particular note are the data increases too soon for both rounds % pedal..
In short, I would start from the base saw that definitely drives you a little more of a original...
It would be interesting to know how much time has been loaded to the map mod and from how much time you have is the defect.
the problem exists since you loaded the map
The EGR was closed, and also the FAP deleted with some Software..
But this machine does not have the Swirl?
Pane the map in addition to having done nothing of particular note are the data increases too soon for both rounds % pedal..
In short, I would start from the base saw that definitely drives you a little more of a original...
So let's say that confirms my "intuition" that the maps assembly, injection and press turbo f(temp) need to be reviewed?
You can then improve even more the performance?
The swirl are no valves in the intake manifold, which move via an actuator all together.
No cinqueturbo the 1.6 mjt does not have the swirl.I removed most of the intake manifold and I never found any 1.6. Only on the 1.9 and 2.0 mjt
Racer83 but causes you to more with high gear wire, or gas? The car seems as if accellerasse intermittently? If so, he did my delta with the same engine,after a software update launches, the weakened a lot, without, however, appear...then since you removed the dpf and the egr has not done, and I think it is due to this last the cause of...test with a file the original with only egr and dpf removed and see how it goes
Many info as described up to now.
The egr valve has been eslusa physically?
Since the problem you have at low revs, I assume that something in the egr has not been done as it should.
Then describe the fault precisely?
is a map without a sense, as suggested you have to put ori and try, then run a map made with criterion, I would check the flywheel (dual mass).
I agree with Ugoboss , if it all started after the loading of the map mod you need to replace the ori already processed for the luca stanca if the FAP is empty and see how it goes'.
Sorry for the delay in responding....
First of all, thanks to all :D
I followed the advice of cinqueturbo and are restarted from scratch; I have revised the map injection choked by 45% and 1500 rpm and leaving it under the original; the map press the turbo f(temp) taking a cue from another that I found.
At the moment, seems to have solved the problem.
Now, however, I wonder if you have been touched other maps that I can't see??
And then as pointed out to me cinqueturbo seems to be a map with little more than the original; what more could one go to tap??
I attach the new files that I have created.
Thanks
I agree with Ugoboss , if it all started after the loading of the map mod you need to replace the ori already processed for the luca stanca if the FAP is empty and see how it goes'.
unfortunately at the moment I do not have the means to be able to remove the fap from the ori, otherwise I would have done; however, we accept suggestions on how to remove it :D
A moment.....I hope you have changed only the maps that you said that is 2 of the ones that you show the driver in the ecm...not you went to touch the luca stanca right? That is, guess fortunately that if you said you do not see the other mod in the mod files have not changed in 2d right?
A moment.....I hope you have changed only the maps that you said that is 2 of the ones that you show the driver in the ecm...not you went to touch the luca stanca right? That is, guess fortunately that if you said you do not see the other mod in the mod files have not changed in 2d right?
Sure, I touched only those two that I said. In 2d I do not know where to look :D I don't have addresses
Many info as described up to now.
The egr valve has been eslusa physically?
Since the problem you have at low revs, I assume that something in the egr has not been done as it should.
Then describe the fault precisely?
The egr valve has been closed by the control unit; the dpf removed from the ecu and physically.
The maps for the egr and fap appear to be working as I also confirmed cinqueturbo.
The anomaly is to have jerks between 1500 and 2000 rpm, with doses of the accelerator to the bottom; and now this phenomenon I have reduced a lot with the two maps that I adjusted and I posted after.
Unfortunately a minimum the problem still persists.
I thought I had solved the problem entirely and, instead, a minimum is still there....
The best thing would be as written ugoboss and claudiooreste to return to the ori without fap, but I don't know how to remove the fap from the ori.
I have read on the forum that ecusafe and, in turn, can help me.
Do you have any idea???
no need to find a golds without fap, you have your already defappato, this is what I am attaching and your with the original maps without the dpf and no egr, here you can start to edit the map and ask for advice.
no need to find a golds without fap, you have your already defappato, this is what I am attaching and your with the original maps without the dpf and no egr, here you can start to edit the map and ask for advice.
Made me a great favor!! thanks!! but unfortunately I can not download the file :(
Racer83 what year is your car? Have you ever done software updates under warranty?
you're right, I had not made the case you have your messages.
Racer83 what year is your car? Have you ever done software updates under warranty?
2012 but the updates don't have to do anything, the first map was fine.
Now, having touched on those two maps is already improved.
you're right, I had not made the case you have your messages.
I have to invent something.
ugoboss but if I had the addresses to close the fap and the egr, starting from the golds that I have, using the 2d I could get the files that I have posted you??
certainly, but it is not a unique address, especially for the fap are several points to tap, it is not simple to explain.
Hello racer83 , it is nice to try to understand how things work is the best way to learn , but sometimes does not have the means to do so, then you remain still and then you have to get help, and maybe in your case you do the files from the service tuning forum and try to find the file ori and then you can trying hard map. This is my thought.
certainly, but it is not a unique address, especially for the fap are several points to tap, it is not simple to explain.
Hello racer83 , it is nice to try to understand how things work is the best way to learn , but sometimes does not have the means to do so, then you remain still and then you have to get help, and maybe in your case you do the files from the service tuning forum and try to find the file ori and then you can trying hard map. This is my thought.
I would like to leave the service tuning as a last resort when I just can't in no way to cope with the situation, however, because it has a cost ( I don't know how) and since I have already paid for me to do this map, I would try not to deal with another expense.
Luckily I've found a file ori, at least.
the bit to disable the egr are not recognized by the ecm, then with the map that gives you don't do anything, if you want advice find the sw on the veb and try to use that, it is not perfect but gives you an idea of how they are modified files to egroff and fapoff.
If ugo confirms that all of the changes to the outside of the maps that recognizes the driver in the ecm are right for the beheaded, and egr just stating ori all the edited maps that you find in the drivers, and behold them that you have your ori with luca stanca and egr. Of course, if there are more bit or less to change if you can't download the file, ugo will become more difficult and you also would like to say that you did not have on a file defappato well.
the bit to disable the egr are not recognized by the ecm, then with the map that gives you don't do anything, if you want advice find the sw on the veb and try to use that, it is not perfect but gives you an idea of how they are modified files to egroff and fapoff.
If ugo confirms that all of the changes to the outside of the maps that recognizes the driver in the ecm are right for the beheaded, and egr just stating ori all the edited maps that you find in the drivers, and behold them that you have your ori with luca stanca and egr. Of course, if there are more bit or less to change if you can't download the file, ugo will become more difficult and you also would like to say that you did not have on a file defappato well.
in fact, from the 2d I have seen that there are maps that the driver in the ecm does not recognize, and then I don't know if they are just, and, above all, I don't know what egr and luca stanca, then I don't know which tap.
If I could take the file made by ugo, I would have compared it with my mapped it and I took all that different from you, or from and just.
This is the file ori with egr closed.
Out of curiosity, but then the driver of the EGR that I get from the ECM is nothing???
Tonight I will try to do luca stanca!
Out of curiosity, but then the driver of the EGR that I get from the ECM is nothing???
Tonight I will try to do luca stanca!
on these ECU's often have under "torque limiter" the part of the EGR.. not to sure the name of the maps spouting ecm.
on these ECU's often have under "torque limiter" the part of the EGR.. not to sure the name of the maps spouting ecm.
This makes me think that the other maps could relate to who knows what... so it goes a bit adrift! as I understand what you refer to, and what do they do? recognizing them with the 2d??
This makes me think that the other maps could relate to who knows what... so it goes a bit adrift! as I understand what you refer to, and what do they do? recognizing them with the 2d??
Exact!
Alternatively, with the Damos in WinOLS, you can have the feedback of the functionality of the maps.
Exact!
Alternatively, with the Damos in WinOLS, you can have the feedback of the functionality of the maps.
with winols I find it even less...
This is the ori without fap. Even this hope all is ok.
How do I know if I have problems with the dtc as I read around? if there are...
it is not that the map the egr from the ecm it has nothing to do, let's say that it must be treated differently from that map, practically on his commands.
Understood.
This no fap instead, is this ok??
On the map mod I found the address in the 2d that I don't know what they are but that have been changed....
1B2B18
1E493C (with curves that are repeated)
1E6F24
can you tell me what they are?
thanks
Update:
I tried to upload the file created by Once without egr and fap, but this has me immediately to check the engine and start & stop is not available.
I'm back to the previous step.
You did not do a diagnosis to see what error it gave you?e-mail the file being processed, with a time that we give them a look
If I'm not mistaken this car is 5 and it does not do.. You have to touch only the bit from clogging, put it to -4 and remove the dtc for the luca stanca. Touching bit preparation will exclude features such as start&stop.
The egr is excluded as all the edc16 (I have not seen the file yet but I assume you have edc16c39 yet, and edc17).
You did not do a diagnosis to see what error it gave you?e-mail the file being processed, with a time that we give them a look
Unfortunately at the moment I don't have the tools to make a diagnosis.
I have attached the file without the egr and fap done by time.
If I'm not mistaken this car is €5 and it does not do.. You have to touch only the bit from clogging, put it to -4 and remove the dtc for the luca stanca. Touching bit preparation will exclude features such as start&stop.
The egr is excluded as all the edc16 (I have not seen the file yet but I assume you have edc16c39 yet, and edc17).
You my is 5 euro and the ecu is edc16c39. In fact, it gave me the start&stop is not available.
Thank you but I don't know the addresses to do what you say.
Thanks!
Tranky I'm sorry if you correct it but time is the euro 5, I have made more than one including my own (delta 1.6 mjt edc16c39 5) the only flaw is that it paves the dtc but enough to put gold in the area related to the dtc and everything works easily...the swich off that I know he could do only about 4.then the file he processed should be correct
Of course, without dtc working
I would add that it is a good practice to make replacement or resetting parameters fap with diagnosis before writing the mod file..
Tranky I'm sorry if you correct it but time is the euro 5, I have made more than one including my own (delta 1.6 mjt edc16c39 €5) the only flaw is that it paves the dtc but enough to put gold in the area related to the dtc and everything works easily...the swich off that I know he could do only about €4.then the file he processed should be correct
To recap, this is the file that has generated a time should work with the change you suggested? but what is this part to replace the golds??
I would add that it is a good practice to make replacement or resetting parameters fap with diagnosis before writing the mod file..
When I returned to the previous map the Mpps wrote that he corrected and cleaned 12 errors... are those??
Racer83 not use mpps, and I don't know what "errors" he corrected in this file,but I doubt whether in the case of the parameters of the dpf,for that you need a diagnosis. With regard to the part to put back ori varies from file to file,overlaying the file ori and mod you should notice that a part is all zero. If the file ori and mod tomorrow I give him a look
Multiecuscan can go well to make a self diagnosis???
I have attached the file as I have requested
Sorry, but I have been busy.
The question of Time is that brasa too much stuff, and on a giulietta €5 to me did not work, the clog is always reappeared as an error p2002.
I have yet to confirm this but from what I understand this ecu does not go with the bit setting but only with the bit clogging to be put at -4 after a beautiful pass with multiecuscan and reset the parameters of the dust, then you write the file you should not have more problems.
If you do not recommend the use of mpps on this €5, the better the v54 and elm327 with multiecuscan go quiet that on the alpha is perfect!
Let us know the outcome
test so, I changed the bit clogging that you had to -6 and brought to the -4 as was recommended to me.
Do the procedure with multiecuscan putting the file ORI, reset the powder, reload the mod, and pray that it is ok.
Unfortunately, it is not tested and surely you have a few dtc to be put off, but it starts to do this procedure and see the outcome.
The feedback the you'll with time since reset with multiecuscan the fap regenerates after X km from the..
Let us know
hello racer, I took a look at your file and once your file has not eliminated the dtc as it does with other then that you're fine,if you are interested in the dtc to find them at the address 1BC3FF. I then tried to process your gold with time, and I noticed that differs from the one made by you, from address 1FDBFC to 1FDBFF. Do so in viewing the 16-bit motorola put the bit at the address 1FDBFC to the decimal value of 51380,000 (your should be 51825,000), the bit next take it to the value 20391,000( your should be 2182,000) this is done the file should be correct...of course, as suggested by ciqueturbo before writing the ecu do the self-diagnostics the reset of the parameters of the dpf,replacement dpf sensor for differential pressure and everything that has to do with the dpf. Let us know how it goes!
test so, I changed the bit clogging that you had to -6 and brought to the -4 as was recommended to me.
Do the procedure with multiecuscan putting the file ORI, reset the powder, reload the mod, and pray that it is ok.
Unfortunately, it is not tested and surely you have a few dtc to be put off, but it starts to do this procedure and see the outcome.
The feedback the you'll with time since reset with multiecuscan the fap regenerates after X km from the..
Let us know
tranky I had not seen that you were already intervening you,I was already replying while you have me in advance...racer, however, can not download files data the few messages I wanted to ask you if you've noticed yourself, those two bits that are not modified in your files,I really do not know to what you refer, but for now, time has not given me problems with this ecu, and I believe that I can try with that system don't you think?
Thanks guys!!
It is, in fact, I still can't download the file. After I will try to do as he told Joseph, with regard to the modification of the file. Multiecuscan then I have to find with elm327...
Thanks guys!!
It is, in fact, I still can't download the file. After I will try to do as he told Joseph, with regard to the modification of the file. Multiecuscan then I have to find with elm327...
If you trouble go quiet, I also use I on 147 €4, but testing on a giulietta sent me a fan**, and doesn't even show id.
for this the price on the car of new generation but if it works, no problem.
Joseph don't worry if there is a crossing and talking, just get him to solve the problem!
The bit clogging should be on the id 1ebd36 to put them at -4
Try and let them know
sorry all for the absence, I had not even seen the question... but in the end I had to turn to another professional who has had to redo everything from **** (seemed to be compromised, even a part that, according to him, should never be touched), because my equipment is not brought out all the files and then I could not see other possible errors, so to speak.
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