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Pasticciona0
05-04-2016, 22:53
Hello everyone, after several months of study I have come to the almost conclusion of my first map. But I have some doubts, because in the test, it seemed to me (let's talk about feeling though) that the car reacts in a manner substantially different from the ori like I had hoped.
I wanted to ask the opinions of you more experienced than me on this map. load ori and mod



cinqueturbo
You're Imaginative.. you raised a 1 BP in the whole, and would inject 100mg?
you're not consistent if you do a map "for example, turbo or injection zoned MAP1" you have to give the same increase to the other maps..
that's too soon of rpm and load, and come to miss high..
the map key is not lai view 075720..
Maps Pedal and diesel set a quantity and make it reach to all maps that are not a "7500 and the other at 11500
Torque limiter ? I've seen a prototype of NASA?
Enrichment in acceleration and a ****work.. and for drag racing?
Rail pressure can go even if I would give an increase in fixed "for example, 500 Bars" not in the % or how you have calculated you ,surge them, you have calculated with an algebraic formula?
EGR OK,
do things with the policy that will be better and will last longer is the machine...

Pasticciona0
You're Imaginative.. you raised a 1 BP in the whole, and would inject 100mg?
you're not consistent if you do a map "for example, turbo or injection zoned MAP1" you have to give the same increase to the other maps..
that's too soon of rpm and load, and come to miss high..
the map key is not lai view 075720..
Maps Pedal and diesel set a quantity and make it reach to all maps that are not a "7500 and the other at 11500
Torque limiter ? I've seen a prototype of NASA?
Enrichment in acceleration and a ****work.. and for drag racing?
Rail pressure can go even if I would give an increase in fixed "for example, 500 Bars" not in the % or how you have calculated you ,surge them, you have calculated with an algebraic formula?
EGR OK,
do things with the policy that will be better and will last longer is the machine...


tranky
I assume it was sarcasm to say.. do you go running to the GP co is in the machine?
You should first express well and clearly what kind of mapping you're trying to create, what changes do you have on the car and then maybe redo the mod.

cinqueturbo


I'm sorry for having appeared Pungent, it was not my intention, I was writing with a smile on his lips and as it says our friend tranky ironically..



as it says tranky you need to establish what you want to do with this machine, you can pull a lot from this motor, but with mechanical stress type flywheel and clutch etc


frenk85
hello cupcake!if I'm not mistaken I was following a other 3d of your own,our user-munro,gave you advice on how moddare,(excellent).
let's start from the thing that should not be,that is, enrichment and acceleration, which for the record are two,the one you skipped along to his "limiter".
you've set the iq to 115mm3 and it is wrong for various reasons
1:your high pressure pump the original can't get to the iq.
2:if you still have the turbine's original according to me there is not enough "air" to that flow.
it is wrong also, the torque limiter always set to 115mm3.
have you missed the advance payments,the map smoke and other map times.

Pasticciona0
hello cupcake!if I'm not mistaken I was following a other 3d of your own,our user-munro,gave you advice on how moddare,(excellent).
let's start from the thing that should not be,that is, enrichment and acceleration, which for the record are two,the one you skipped along to his "limiter".



you've set the iq to 115mm3 and it is wrong for various reasons
1:your high pressure pump the original can't get to the iq.
2:if you still have the turbine's original according to me there is not enough "air" to that flow.
as it can hold a maximum load capacity of the pump, ori?


it is wrong also, the torque limiter always set to 115mm3.



have you missed the advance payments,the map smoke and other map times.
the advances are conscious of having them sauteed (I don't have the faintest idea how to change this map for the moment!)..the map fumes instead I think I just changed it and have lowered the afr a couple of points......and also the map times, I seemed to have changed...
can you help me with more information on what I did wrong, and then what is the right way to change?

Pasticciona0
I'm sorry for having appeared Pungent, it was not my intention, I was writing with a smile on his lips and as it says our friend tranky ironically..



as it says tranky you need to establish what you want to do with this machine, you can pull a lot from this motor, but with mechanical stress type flywheel and clutch etc
Hello cinqueturbo, I just wanted to have the most sprints is the machine and get about 140cv (seen that many preparers say that up to 140 hp, the reliability of the machine is save and there are mechanical changes to be made)...I have not said that the machine in question is a 8 valves, and the flywheel monomassa...so the concern remains for the clutch.




"you raised a 1 BP in the whole, and would inject 100mg? what it means to have raised 1 BP?" what map are you talking about? map pedal? if you seem to me to have it raised from 50% pedal 1500rpm...for not making the car too nervous just infinity foot pedal......




























cinqueturbo
Map Sprint without calculations etc., simple and effective

Then let it be BP (position breakpoint) etc., outside of driver, we have to do 1 map to rejuvenate or spice up..

1° Map-injection Phase-you know what it is and lai's done well..
2° injection partialized (MAP1) Boost x RPM you went too soon and at low load, giving about 7% on the entire map.. "example" parts 1300 rpm 45% loading giving (10-18 % using the interpolation function
2° injection partialized (MAP2) Boost x RPM as above.. 25-35 %)
3° 075720 only map out drivers to Fix Turbo Pressure,
if you take reference from other maps, and you will understand where they are 1300giri and load.. I would start from the 4th panettone and 3-Bit on giving 120 -140 points
4° turbo Pressure (map1\1 120-140 points
5° - Pressure turbo f(temp.)2 (map1\1) as above
6° torque limiter parts from 1500 rpm 1500 points
7° injection partialized (map1\1) 1500 rpm 1500 points
8° limiter, rail pressure #1 1500 rpm 1000 points
9° limiter rail pressure (map1) as above
10° rail pressure (map1\1) 1500 rpm 500 points

let me a Step in the control..

Pasticciona0
Map Sprint without calculations etc., simple and effective

Then let it be BP (position breakpoint) etc., outside of driver, we have to do 1 map to rejuvenate or spice up..

1° Map-injection Phase-you know what it is and lai's done well..
2° injection partialized (MAP1) Boost x RPM you went too soon and at low load, giving about 7% on the entire map.. "example" parts 1300 rpm 45% loading giving (10-18 % using the interpolation function
2° injection partialized (MAP2) Boost x RPM as above.. 25-35 %)
3° 075720 only map out drivers to Fix Turbo Pressure,
if you take reference from other maps, and you will understand where they are 1300giri and load.. I would start from the 4th panettone and 3-Bit on giving 120 -140 points
4° turbo Pressure (map1\1 120-140 points
5° - Pressure turbo f(temp.)2 (map1\1) as above
6° torque limiter parts from 1500 rpm 1500 points
7° injection partialized (map1\1) 1500 rpm 1500 points
8° limiter, rail pressure #1 1500 rpm 1000 points
9° limiter rail pressure (map1) as above
10° rail pressure (map1\1) 1500 rpm 500 points

let me a Step in the control..


Pasticciona0



cinqueturbo


If you make a file tene realize buttonhole..

Pasticciona0
If you make a file tene realize buttonhole..

The file that I made with your directions is right? As never did you touch the map the pedal?

tranky
The file that I made with your directions is right? As never did you touch the map the pedal?

if you use the time of the inj, the pedal with requests that are greater than the ORI, you don't need to touch them

cinqueturbo
Have faith..

Put in place Injection zoned (1) you started too early to load parts from 44-50%

Injection split Boost 1&2 do not have the same increases put in place (10-18 %
25-35 %)

cinqueturbo
The file that I made with your directions is right? As never did you touch the map the pedal?


but from many tests performed, I will say that a ecu deceived, and much more lively that a ecu informed..

frenk85
I do not understand the fact of not touching the map the pedal,the iq as you?only through time?
from that little experience,mod. maps pedal "curing"time with a low smoke and a decent yield,then if we are the "groundwork"to be able to go further than you go in with plenty of time.
for the "chronicle" the other map pedal:78200 and the limit.78272

cinqueturbo
I do not understand the fact of not touching the map the pedal,the iq as you?only through time?
from that little experience,mod. maps pedal "curing"time with a low smoke and a decent yield,then if we are the "groundwork"to be able to go further than you go in with plenty of time.
for the "chronicle" the other map pedal:78200 and the limit.78272

In fact a decent yield..
anyone in the area with a bit of experience will tell you that the map deceived pushes more of the map informed

Pasticciona0

but from many tests performed, I will say that a ecu deceived, and much more lively that a ecu informed..

Therefore, I realized now that I haven't seen all of the points that you wrote me (watch from your phone, it makes things a bit confusing)... So this afternoon I make good....however, I know that there is something in my use of interpolation is not to be...therefore, there are 4 boxes...I sign the minimum value in both of the boxes on the left and the highest on both of those right....is right or is wrong?....then, with regard to inform or to deceive the ecu, and there is who says that on edc15 there are results more efficient by informing the ecu....however, I want to learn both ways ;D

Pasticciona0
I do not understand the fact of not touching the map the pedal,the iq as you?only through time?
from that little experience,mod. maps pedal "curing"time with a low smoke and a decent yield,then if we are the "groundwork"to be able to go further than you go in with plenty of time.
for the "chronicle" the other map pedal:78200 and the limit.78272


Pasticciona0
However, errecinque, I can't download attachments (and then the screenshot you can't see them)...and I don't even know if you are coming to the 80 messages I will come enabled....I did a thing in good faith in February and have been banned, but still today it has appeared limited... I cant even contact the admin because of this restriction....let's say that for wanting to help others, I damaged myself, but okay.. Now it is done...

cinqueturbo
Why not try to make a map as you have explained me? Boo

Pasticciona0
Why not try to make a map as you have explained me? Boo


Pasticciona0
Why not try to make a map as you have explained me? Boo


frenk85
Cinqueturbo figured if I want to put in doubt your claim or that of other experts!
It is unclear to me the concept and if I can't explain you would be able if no is clicked nothing!!
Pastic.nothing!

cinqueturbo
Pasticciona0 no problem for me, I made confusion with the nick..
I had no fate case that you are not authorized to view the screen etc
it is even more difficult to express myself only with the keyboard.. you are correct the last file as I indicated?

frenk85
Explain what a concept excuse?
do you want to know the difference between a map deceived, and an informed one?
the maps inform I like it very much but every time I would do one to a customer, asking for more..

cinqueturbo
Therefore, I realized now that I haven't seen all of the points that you wrote me (watch from your phone, it makes things a bit confusing)... So this afternoon I make good....however, I know that there is something in my use of interpolation is not to be...therefore, there are 4 boxes...I sign the minimum value in both of the boxes on the left and the highest on both of those right....is right or is wrong?....then, with regard to inform or to deceive the ecu, and there is who says that on edc15 there are results more efficient by informing the ecu....however, I want to learn both ways ;D

you need to select the surface curves

rows or columns changes very little

Pasticciona0
you need to select the surface curves

rows or columns changes very little
Therefore, I've changed..as soon as I get home I do...then will I do the screen how do I do the interpolation because they are not managed well understand... with regard To the limitation of my account I have to try to find a way to contact him and ask him if I re-enable it, it's been almost 2 months and I think I have understood the lesson!

cinqueturbo
In grid-click increments, then P % selections 44-50% load 1500 rpm right interpolation surface curves of the columns or rows..

Good luck with the admin..

Pasticciona0
In grid-click increments, then P % selections 44-50% load 1500 rpm right interpolation surface curves of the columns or rows..

Good luck with the admin..

injection split 1 and 2 (boost x RPM) you told me that I had not made the same gains...I put in'1 10%-18% and 2 25%-35% as you wrote....is this true?


cinqueturbo
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cinqueturbo
You have the parafar in the plant? if you haven't I would give more control to the cooling system and thermostatic and tubes you return that to those poor cars without anti-corrosive clog up always..
then you could opt to lower the increments to the range seen that you smoke too and if we load further air rises even more, the temperature but I always expect that log..

Pasticciona0
You have the parafar in the plant? if you haven't I would give more control to the cooling system and thermostatic and tubes you return that to those poor cars without anti-corrosive clog up always..
then you could opt to lower the increments to the range seen that you smoke too and if we load further air rises even more, the temperature but I always expect that log..

Pasticciona0
You have the parafar in the plant? if you haven't I would give more control to the cooling system and thermostatic and tubes you return that to those poor cars without anti-corrosive clog up always..
then you could opt to lower the increments to the range seen that you smoke too and if we load further air rises even more, the temperature but I always expect that log..

here I am..finally! load the log file and I hope to have it done well....needless to say, I don't have the slightest idea how to read, I loaded it on the scanner and I can only see the graphs but how to interpret them I don't even have the slightest idea...I will investigate this... aspect of your advice/teachings

Pasticciona0
You have the parafar in the plant? if you haven't I would give more control to the cooling system and thermostatic and tubes you return that to those poor cars without anti-corrosive clog up always..
then you could opt to lower the increments to the range seen that you smoke too and if we load further air rises even more, the temperature but I always expect that log..

Hello everyone, someone managed to take a look at the log? It is done in the correct way?

cinqueturbo
Hello everyone, someone managed to take a look at the log? It is done in the correct way?

You I gave him a look and the top to the vicinity of the chart..
however, you are at the limit with the turbo.. has large peaks I did not understand what the conditions of the rpm etc
With the car I would be able to fix it up, but at a distance to me and a little difficult..
you should modare map of an overboost but in your case I would lower the diesel fuel to those famous 2000 Rpm 100% of the Pedal that I accennasti..

then..

07240E
0726DE
07872E
078A20

Pasticciona0
You I gave him a look and the top to the vicinity of the chart..
however, you are at the limit with the turbo.. has large peaks I did not understand what the conditions of the rpm etc
With the car I would be able to fix it up, but at a distance to me and a little difficult..
you should modare map of an overboost but in your case I would lower the diesel fuel to those famous 2000 Rpm 100% of the Pedal that I accennasti..

then..

07240E
0726DE
07872E
078A20



see if the one that I lowered it is fine or not...

cinqueturbo

see if the one that I lowered it is fine or not...


Check the pressure spikes and smoke...

robert02500
good suportt