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Good evening guys.
Since about a year I have a 147 Q2 with dpf 150 cv. A few days ago discussing on the topic rimappe etc, I had doubts as to whether the 147 170 hp ducati corse, had the same mechanical structure, the front and simila, and as a result, if that difference 20cv with respect to my it was just a matter of the ecu, because as far as I know the engine is a 1.9 lt jtdm. Can you tell me something about it?
Thanks.
The difference is both in the aesthetics from what I know.
The ECU does not have mirror-like hw (and of course the sw) and have the motor shaft of different material.
The cams are completely different.
The head is aluminum.
The turbine is smaller (I guess to give more torque at low rpm)
Consequently, put simply the map of a ducati corse on mine would be a job done badly, right?
you might compare the maps to see where to intervene and begin to try
Unfortunately I don't have from where to draw a map of a ducati corse, and personally I mean little... He has offered to remap my directly, a connects to 150€, but I had come to doubt whether it were not better to put directly that of the ducati, so as to avoid any errors.
Hello, but your colleague is a professional? or an amateur to the fray? to do damage it takes a few..........
Honestly I could not tell you if it is a professional, or better..if it speaks well for the company, however, is something that is "in house" we say, while having him already remapped several cars and to be heard, are to be found all fine.
In the case in which accettasssi of me to do that, he said that would give me both the files, both the original and remapped...I could at that point get review from someone here in the forum? Or are there any special requirements?
Honestly I could not tell you if it is a professional, or better..if it speaks well for the company, however, is something that is "in house" we say, while having him already remapped several cars and to be heard, are to be found all fine.
In the case in which accettasssi of me to do that, he said that would give me both the files, both the original and remapped...I could at that point get review from someone here in the forum? Or are there any special requirements?
It is your right to have the 2 files...the gold is your property and you mod it you pay..***** o yes if then posts them in the forum, we look at them gladly.
I can tell you from experience since I have a friend with the 147 ducati corse 170cv and a few cosmetic change, and direct exhaust to which I've mapped to the drive more than once (was never happy and wanted more and more until it started to break something seen as a guide, the idiot).
Do not let you make maps that are exaggerated since the car already has its own, you're going to spend more money for repair and for the other, and anyway, as said by errecinque, e-mail your work colleague and we see and we discuss any changes.
Talking with him and telling him that I'm not going to go every 3 days to a mechanic, he advised me to "start" with +20 hp so as not to sollecitareppiù of both the mechanical part of the engine and turbine... to Think that in my opinion already 20 hp are many and for some it is only a "start".
Already one talk about hp and not to increases in schemes I'd lose.
Cmq in bocca al lupo
passion engines
05-04-2016, 11:45
Already one talk about hp and not to increases in schemes I'd lose.
Cmq in bocca al lupo
It has not been so crude, that is, he talked of the horses, but also of curves and increases throughout acceleration if I remember correctly...unfortunately my ignorance in this matter I suppose has brought to me in this way.
Personally, I'd be tempted to do so. Someone may offer to give him a look...even if I admit that the anxiety is much.
Consequently, put simply the map of a ducati corse on mine would be a job done badly, right?
According to me it could be an idea, not necessarily wrong. Or however it could be a good starting point and then do the customizations more.
I did some research on the net:
the high pressure pump of 150 Hp Q2 and the ducati is the same, Bosch code for both 55234362
the injectors are different, the 150 (bosch code 0445110243), while the 170 (045110341)
the turbine in appearance is the same which is a Honeywell Garrett model GTA1749V but the codes are different, for the 150 46793334 while for the ducati 55214063, then there could be small differences between the two, but I think not so substantial.
Given that I understand very little tuning because I'm trying to learn from the discussions of the forum, according to me you can say copy (certainly not by doing a CTRL+C, CTRL+V of course) the maps of the 170 on the 150, since many of the components are similar in the two engines, or at least compare the two maps for inspiration on how to make the changes.
I did some research on the net:
the high pressure pump of 150 Hp Q2 and the ducati is the same, Bosch code for both 55234362
the injectors are different, the 150 (bosch code 0445110243), while the 170 (045110341)
the turbine in appearance is the same which is a Honeywell Garrett model GTA1749V but the codes are different, for the 150 46793334 while for the ducati 55214063, then there could be small differences between the two, but I think not so substantial.
Given that I understand very little tuning because I'm trying to learn from the discussions of the forum, according to me you can say copy (certainly not by doing a CTRL+C, CTRL+V of course) the maps of the 170 on the 150, since many of the components are similar in the two engines, or at least compare the two maps for inspiration on how to make the changes.
And that you waiting to try? You just have to align the files on the maps that you want to increase copy the data on your file, save the mod and load it in the car. Then try gradually without overdoing it ready go, feel if there is something strange maybe do a log of confrontation with the ori, and then with the mod
I can guarantee that the changes on the maps of the two ecu are minimal, changes a lot the management of the whole ecu instead, but it is not easy to understand, you should from your and work them well above, let it be the ecu on the ducati.
I agree with ugoboss,edit your.......
kit flywheel clutch are delicate,but if you know where to put your hands(do not charge the couple to 1000giri) can safely withstand the stresses.
I'd like to extend the torque given by the turbine over a period longer than the tachometer.. in Short, from 2300 rpm up to 4000... you Say that is feasible or is too risky?
In the past I've also compared I the maps of 150 with those of 170 and I can confirm what he says ugoboss... the real difference is in the management!!!
As regards the mechanics, except for some details, they are identical...
According to my experience, done well to go quietly over 20cv with the 170cv without undermine the reliability is the whole point to do things with the policy.
Both with the 150 than with the Ducati you can have fun sulserio.
In the past I've also compared I the maps of 150 with those of 170 and I can confirm what he says ugoboss... the real difference is in the management!!!
As regards the mechanics, except for some details, they are identical...
According to my experience, done well to go quietly over 20cv with the 170cv without undermine the reliability is the whole point to do things with the policy.
Both with the 150 than with the Ducati you can have fun sulserio.
I'd like to know what do you mean by "management " because we are talking about 20cv in addition, if the increments are small
Now I do not remember exactly, I should re-compare ids_dlg_option_file_enable_change_detect = the file, but I remember that maps the pedal, torque and conversion were identical...
I can't be more exhaustive because in this period, are hanged at work, but just compare them.
As regards map conversion of torque/diesel is the same in all versions of the jtd that I have compared, for instance, is the same that I find in the map of the 140Cv €3, 150 HP €4, Ducati, Juliet from 170Cv even if it is not 1.9 but 2.0.
But on the map, pedal map and the torque limiter I have seen the differences between the 150 Hp and the Ducati.
Just to give one example, I on 150 Hp at 3750 rpm I read 3370 or 337 Nm of torque while on the Ducati always at 3750 rpm I read 3750 that is 375 Nm which is a difference of the order of 11%
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