driver wish

[ecuboost]

hi, can anyone tell me cos'? the driver's wish, a wish ? request driver ? guide/driver, I searched on the forum but all take it for granted, cos'

[munro]

it depends on the ecu you speak, however, for what that's? I the DW ? the map of pedal cio? the request that you make through the foot on the accelerator of that? from this the ecu understand what you're doing and react accordingly ? a map that ? "**** all" cio? it all starts with you and for edc16 map ? x-axis:rpm axis; the y position of the pedal; z-axis or descriptor, call it what you want we are the nm...while for edc15 X rpm; Y pedal; Z mg-cycle IQ or the cio? diesel fuel required, there would be other things to say but will wait what they say the more experienced...

[magi1984]

in my opinion you've explained very well. On the basis of the gains from the dw match the rest of the

[munro]

I wanted to add that touching only the DW and adjusting limiters and turbo without touching anything else most of the car are strong but what's the most beautiful ? this ? a change veeery fine the cio? indicating in the DW to the ecu that you want to say 70mg-cycle diesel in place of the 55 ori(random numbers)and the ecu works exactly with its built-in algorithm and you do? all of the calculations to give you what is required of that? basically, it's not have problems with that, maybe when you go to tap rail pressure and injection time....what they say I find a way veeery clean moddare...I end up saying on the edc16 of the vag group there is a limiter fumes as on the edc15, I believe there is also on edc16 common rail but none I s? to say more, and as I said in the other tread all the edc16 have a map conversion nm>iq that must be the key to "unlock" these ecu from their ceiling injectable that ? of 80mm3 only that if you ask or they tell you that c'? nothing of the kind why? maybe not l? they know or they know but if they keep him sooo tight...

[cicciogsr]

in edc16 vag there are two limiters, diesel referring to the maf and the map in the edc16 cr c'? the correction of the lambda models provided .. the change as you say ? the end but if you don't unlock everything ? needless then every ecu has a different profit margin without touching in the classic way

[munro]

I don't follow..***** o for edc16 vag limiters are 2 but one is the smoke limiter map of fumes and the other, and the torque limiter, the ones that you say I don't know them....in fact, I would love to see them....and especially I would like to understand how to intervene on the base map conversion nm>iq...

[cicciogsr]

in some vag edc16 there are two lim smoke one referring to the maf and the other on the map ... torque limiters are a couple ... the map of conversion on the basis of what you have to do pu? stay gold... you may not have the desired effect by touching it and then it always depends on which car we're talking about ... browse the map that you need to study and try to understand how ? was conceived enters in the view of the operation of the engine and how it will be? managed only cos? you will have the key to it all..

[munro]

ciccio no offense: a lot of beautiful words without saying anything...it also takes a talent in this...
could you post if you want a screen with these limiters maf-map??

[cicciogsr]

do not offend me, but I'm not accustomed to give the jelly is ready .. I like to think, and then think.. ? too simple to ask for a screen begins to look for there? you need by browsing the map... if you need help with the d? gladly, if I see commitment on the part of the people... then in this thread you spoke of DW does not address the vag or other ecu...

[munro]

ok okay hello

[ecuboost]

but then on edc16 cr just mod the driver's wish, and eventually unlock the limiters?

[munro]

I say to you andrea for? I am convinced that there is also the map conversion nm>iq otherwise how the f? the ecu calculated from DW who works in newtonmetro the deal? injection quantity to be injected? I believe that we should increase along with the DW if, for example, increase this to 15% by "meta accelerator" then, gradually, from 1% up to 15% the same we will have to do on the map only conversion that ? a p? complicated virtually...

[E92_mpower]

? what I'm looking for well I...

[Nightwing]

but where is the voice DW, and with what name?
I tried to look in the list, but I can't seem to find one :(

[munro]

ecm on some drivers the call "wide choice acceleration"...is always looking to the axes...but these will change depending on if you are on edc15 or edc16...I seem to have written on this thread a few posts ago....

[Nightwing]

ecm on some drivers the call "wide choice acceleration"...is always looking to the axes...but these
change depending on if you are on edc15 or edc16...I seem to have written on this thread a few posts ago....

yes I saw the previous posts and I tried the item on the ecm, but the"enrichment in acceleration" nn, I see the track:(
the ecu ? a edc16c39 alfa 159 2.4 jtdm.

[jared_poe]

the maps that need the ecm calls:
Torque request during a standard condition (this for? it seems to me relates to the regeneration)
The required torque during acceleration
The required torque for the function sport
The required torque for the function sport B

[franco75]

The DW would be the map of a pedal, usually in edc16 ? one of the first maps. The map conversion nm to iq I don't toccherei as the first sbloccherei limiters IQ, are usually these that cut in the diesel fuel. In my small experience, I have noticed that the VAG has a margin higher than, for example, the Alpha without being touched limiters IQ.

[megamind]

The DW would be the map of a pedal, usually in edc16 ? one of the first maps. The map conversion nm to iq I don't toccherei as the first sbloccherei limiters IQ, are usually these that cut in the diesel fuel. In my small experience, I have noticed that the VAG has a margin higher than, for example, the Alpha without being touched limiters IQ.
Hello Franco75 you can list such as concentration limiters to unlock IQ that are generally found on edc16?
Thanks

[franco75]

in the meantime, I found the differences between a edc16c8 of an Alpha-140 hp Euro 3 and other edc16c39 Audi or Bmw, then not all of the EDC16 are the same.
In the Alpha I have found 5 limiters limiters and perhaps not all, commands that are difficult to find for the shape of the curves but not impossible.
There are those in function of the temperature, atmospheric pressure, rpm and others that I can't remember.
The more that know where they are, you should understand how to find them.
I use a method that allows me to track them down, with ECM decrease the scale of the view to 2048 or 1024, move the cursor to the side in order to position myself on the extent to which I expect to find them, in many cases, for example, on an engine that has 500 cc of a cylinder capacity unit (a 2000 4 cylinder engine or a 3000 6-cylinder) I set it on the 6000-8000 (60 mm3 - 80 mm3).
I start to scroll through the file 2D, and when I find the lines or curves I stop and from there starts an investigation to understand what it is.
The investigation starts from the understanding of what is referred to the breakpoint, possibly using a damos something similar.

[Danny]

Mmm, behold, to me the interest to understand how should I do to find it. This? when I go through and I find the curves, as I do understand that it is, for example, of the 2d map of the DW? With regard to injection parzializzataa and the 3 torque limiters instead, I will take you directly to the ECM when within in decimal, and then step to the 2D display.
I should then in the meantime, start "to exclude the 4 maps that ECM puts me as a "fixed", and then I have to start looking for maps like that are still limiters? Or is there a file that indicates what are the different addresses?

[megamind]

in the meantime, I found the differences between a edc16c8 of an Alpha-140 hp Euro 3 and other edc16c39 Audi or Bmw, then not all of the EDC16 are the same.
In the Alpha I have found 5 limiters limiters and perhaps not all, commands that are difficult to find for the shape of the curves but not impossible.
There are those in function of the temperature, atmospheric pressure, rpm and others that I can't remember.
The more that know where they are, you should understand how to find them.
I use a method that allows me to track them down, with ECM decrease the scale of the view to 2048 or 1024, move the cursor to the side in order to position myself on the extent to which I expect to find them, in many cases, for example, on an engine that has 500 cc of a cylinder capacity unit (a 2000 4 cylinder engine or a 3000 6-cylinder) I set it on the 6000-8000 (60 mm3 - 80 mm3).
I start to scroll through the file 2D, and when I find the lines or curves I stop and from there starts an investigation to understand what it is.
The investigation starts from the understanding of what is referred to the breakpoint, possibly using a damos something similar.

In fact, I wonder what they are not where they are...
Prover? to make the methodology of the survey as you have indicated you are not having the damos for my car (I have a edc16 c31 car with DPF)
for clarity, I was interested to understand to unlock IQ names and b.p. at least one of the pi? common to search for.

In the meantime, many thanks

[E92_mpower]

megamind also a curve of the lim fumes cos? capiato all pi? or less com'?
maybe with some effort we get there

[franco75]

Not if I'm wrong but I don't think, the ilimitatori IQ are one thing, the limiters smoke another.
The first serve to restrict the maximum IQ for injection, and the second restricting the IQ indirectly by limiting the stoichiometric ratio
Corregetemi if I'm wrong

[franco75]

Megamind if you open a topic on your file, we give you a hand, this topic would be dedicated to the DriverWish
I know that we went a little offtopic

[E92_mpower]

Not if I'm wrong but I don't think, the ilimitatori IQ are one thing, the limiters smoke another.
The first serve to restrict the maximum IQ for injection, and the second restricting the IQ indirectly by limiting the stoichiometric ratio
Corregetemi if I'm wrong
then you should see them both curves :D

[Nightwing]

the maps that need the ecm calls:
Torque request during a standard condition (this for? it seems to me relates to the regeneration)
The required torque during acceleration
The required torque for the function sport
The required torque for the function sport B

This I remember well:
The required torque for the function sport
The required torque for the function sport B,
at the beginning I thought that they were the parameters of the exchange automatiko, where c'? anke button sports.
A couple of nights ago looking for amongst the various configurations available, I checked both the parameters and no if I remember correctly, they are identical.

[munro]

The DW would be the map of a pedal, usually in edc16 ? one of the first maps. The map conversion nm to iq I don't toccherei as the first sbloccherei limiters IQ, are usually these that cut in the diesel fuel. In my small experience, I have noticed that the VAG has a margin higher than, for example, the Alpha without being touched limiters IQ.
are you sure of this statement of yours??the right to discuss it...we put the case that you pedal request 400nm and limiters adapts the request by limiting..now on the map of conversion you have in the ceiling of the nm to 350 with consequently a conversion to the iq of this value 65mm3 iq......according to you the car as inietter? even with de and TL are set to 400nm???

[munro]

Not if I'm wrong but I don't think, the ilimitatori IQ are one thing, the limiters smoke another.
The first serve to restrict the maximum IQ for injection, and the second restricting the IQ indirectly by limiting the stoichiometric ratio
Corregetemi if I'm wrong
if the torque limiter is designed to limit the IQ but the smoke limiters limit the IQ through ratio AFR....according to your reasoning this limitation c'? or not c'???

[franco75]

the limitation ec of both, according to me there is a process in most phases:
1. is established, the torque as a function of the dricer wish and this is limited by the torque limiter.
2. through the map of the conversion is determined that the hypothetical IQ.
3. The IQ has been set in advance is compared with the limiters, and if more than one is correct and limited.
4. In the remaining maps (advance and other management various) uses the value of the IQ and the Couple already limited

[franco75]

then, always only according to me, to the end of it all over the limiters IQ c? the map time to determine how long to open the injectors.

I have understood so, I hope I have not figured out nonsense

[franco75]

I forgot the maps lambda that interact between the point 3 and point 4 :confused:

[franco75]

I forgot the maps lambda that interact between point 2 and point 3 :confused:

[megamind]

Megamind if you open a topic on your file, we give you a hand, this topic would be dedicated to the DriverWish
I know that we went a little offtopic

Open discussion

https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?1827-EDC16-c31-Honda-_-ricerca-indirizzi-Limitatori-IQ-vari-ed-eventuali_Lambda-e-AFR&p=22994#post22994
:rolleyes:

[panny200555]

Guys I just want to tell you: You are the LEGENDARY!!!!
finally someone shares the info!! the great spirit to understand how things work!!

Really I esteem you!! and of course we follow? with great interest in the new post!!!!

Thanks


in the meantime, I found the differences between a edc16c8 of an Alpha-140 hp Euro 3 and other edc16c39 Audi or Bmw, then not all of the EDC16 are the same.
In the Alpha I have found 5 limiters limiters and perhaps not all, commands that are difficult to find for the shape of the curves but not impossible.
There are those in function of the temperature, atmospheric pressure, rpm and others that I can't remember.
The more that know where they are, you should understand how to find them.
I use a method that allows me to track them down, with ECM decrease the scale of the view to 2048 or 1024, move the cursor to the side in order to position myself on the extent to which I expect to find them, in many cases, for example, on an engine that has 500 cc of a cylinder capacity unit (a 2000 4 cylinder engine or a 3000 6-cylinder) I set it on the 6000-8000 (60 mm3 - 80 mm3).
I start to scroll through the file 2D, and when I find the lines or curves I stop and from there starts an investigation to understand what it is.
The investigation starts from the understanding of what is referred to the breakpoint, possibly using a damos something similar.


hello franco75,

thanks to this method in order to understand something more?!
could you put some screen for a better understanding?

thanks for the availability.
hello

[lupak]

If I can have my say, in EDC15C2 the limiters of IQ there are in the DW, torque limiters, surge IQ as a function of temperature; the time axis of the injection;
but then you must also adjust the axes of advance .

[franco75]

Here are some examples on a edc16c8, in particular an AlfaRomeo 1.9 jtdm 140 hp Euro 3
First parse the file 2d in the field of research that we expect to have the limiters, in this case, 6000-8000

2563

2565

Expanding maps with the traditional view

2564

2566

From here you can see the BP and it is expected that these maps as a function of rpm and temperature

[E92_mpower]

great franco!! perfect explanation