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Hi to all
I need your opinion about the changes done to my ecu.
I carried out mapping according to my criteria (and a lot of advice from many users), at the time of loading, has given its findings and given me much more from a car that I didn't think he could even if something is still missing (I don't know how many horses arrive now from 120cv GOLD).
At this point I found myself doing the other 2 new changes which are:
rev limiter (popcorn at 4500rpm)
launch control (rev limiter in 1st gear at 4750rpm)
I would like to know if I have properly executed these changes and some suggestions on the mapping, that makes a lot coming at speed fairly well, and linear without strattonate (I set the torque very low, and I guarantee that this is perfect for my style guide).
Thank you so much for any advice and supervisions.
I attach the file ori and mod
the map is questionable..
the launch I do not see where the aversti done?
for the pop corn to the method you used is now exceeded at least you do not know where is the limiter rpm, then it can go....
and still 4500 rpm I seem pochini to scoppietare the car..
however, obviously the car is still ori...
the map is very basic...and there are things that I don't like the maps the pedal the press turbo and the press rail but if you like it...
Hello munro,
first of all thanks for the answer, and anyway, I'm open to suggestions about the map.. this is the first that I have, and I'm not very experienced, and, certainly, some calculation was done in the bad and worse..
If you have any suggestions on how and what to change I'm open to advice.
With regard to the launch control I have set yet, I wanted to first test it on another car to the demolition, about the rev limiter it set at 5000rpm, which is better for a question of stability in stroke seen that if the limiter under 200km/h is not very comfortable.
first of all how much fuel you want to inject? in some maps the pedal request 100mm3 only 1500 griri 100% pedal then go down with the request...I am on edc16 adopt a change combo that is release all the limiters as I want to inject and if the car goes good, ok otherwise I give him a little time injection.
your maps turbo, and the rail will then start very low rpm and even with little iq does not serve them, so, if not to stress the clutch and turbo..anyway I look at it better...but for what little I have seen I do not like so much..
very clear and I accept the "I do not like" given that I am newbe and I could have done na ca*ata huge!
Beginning then with the raise of the baseline of the turbo, and the rail but so I would not miss the initial shot (you will see it anyway).
For the diesel I would like to inject.. you say "it depends!".
I would like to keep emissions low and try to arrive at a ratio of thrust/emission in the positive.
For today anyway and I really tested, as-is and will not tell you that it is perfect, but it pulls from a stop pretty well without pulling, and is steady uphill the engine rpm.
He lacks something and you feel like shooting a bit we think in certain conditions.. but not too much eh.
Anyway advice other to make it efficient?
Thanks friend
you said unlock the various limiters around for the file to fit the maps lambda to your needs lowers if you do not put gold maps-rail technology and turbo at low rpm and iq...with the times that you've given a degree to advance after 3000 rpm, and with the iq solid you can give...this, in substance,...for the launch you can follow if you want to activate for the rest if you want I'm here to fix up the map and see if we can make it better together...
Thank you for the info..
place the result as soon as finished.
Thanks
munro, I'm running the changes as recommended by you but I have a doubt..
How many RPM is recommended that you set the launch control while maintaining a degree of aggressiveness which is not excessively out of rpm ?
I have the place to 2800 consigliatomi by munro.
the aggressiveness, however, does not come into it at all,when I leave the clutch it returns everything in the standard.
Hi to all,
sorry for the slowness in updating this topic but between holidays and work, time is relatively little.
I'm attaching the file as consigliatomi by munro with all the limiters disabled (put to the maximum allowed value) and I set the launch at 3500rpm to get an initial push enough charge without leaving too much rpm.
I made some changes on the turbine danto 150p distributed to the maximum of the scheme of between 2500 and 3500 rpm until the end of the scale.
I changed the map intercooler and modified it slightly increases on inj.
Can you please see if I have made any "error" or is it best to make another?
Another question, on the maps of the pair I SportA and SportB, how is work these 2 ?
Same question on the maps Inj main from 1 to 5, how are they working for?
Let me explain.. in what stage of the guide, these maps should be to differentiate the other maps? load as the default baseline to the first and the second is to increase or switch map in the map with some criterion that I have not well understood?
Thanks a lot
ah I forgot to say that I also changed the torque value that was too low (from 1250rpm already started) but now I set to from 1500/2000rpm which seems to me to be better, always if I set as well, and stress less the clutch.
I accept any advice/criticism..
Thanks guys
forgive me if I have not understood, but the launch is not bounding, only the first gear to the rpm that you set?
of course, so in other gears and mobs do not defines anything..
am I wrong?
Hi,
this is the last change to which I have loaded the turbo pressure to the regime of 200punti (seen coming peak 2600 seems pretty stable) and I set the rev limiter to 5000rpm and launch at 3500rpm.
Can you please give me advice about the changes?
Thank you
Because here I do not shit no one would say that I can also not upload any mod..
Thanks anyway for the help given up to now very helpful..
don't shit neither!! mmmmmm!!perhaps there have been the holidays and people have been a girl involved?!?!? what are you saying?!?!
for the map, you missed the turbo pressure and limiter pressure,the torque limiter that you could also find the rev-limiter, and the setting scale to 5000 rpm.l.c I do not see him active...................I have them identified but I'm not sure that they are before proceeding, wait for confirmation from other users much more experienced than me.hello!
frank was in sarcastic tones, to maybe bring out someone from the shell (and in fact, it worked).
the turbo pressure is increased by 200 points how do you say that I have left out?
For the rpm limiter and of the couple I try to see if I can find the correct map.
Thank you for the additional info
address:1ce5f6 set it to as much as you like 2800-3000-3500......
:1e7d4 is the l.c. that is, according to the speed
:1e7d42 the rev limiter
Thank you
I minister to modify and do one more look wide to the outside of the driver that maybe I find something.
Thanks a lot friend
I figured!must not thank me,(I'm not even sure are the right ones) but others(a) that have helped me and I help others,it is a chain!!!!!!see you soon!
Hi guys, I have remade a new map without touching the outside of the driver to avoid making changes without sense..
I'm attaching the Ori, a mod with rev limit that I currently have loaded, but the car is a bit spompata and a mod by removing the rev limit and looking a bit the values of torque and changed the turbine.. the limiters for them, I must still sort out but I need some advice on the maps that are currently modified.
Thanks guys
your maps in the pedal are more low as much as you want to "decide" in the lim couple, both with dw that with the tl parts to change very soon not to be so good..put back ori the percentage valve opening egr serves no purpose as lai made as well as the map torque start return it ori.your limiters lambda should be lowered to give more fuel if the lambda 1 you have to 14.7 parts of air to 1 part of fuel the lambda-1,3 you still have less fuel to "grease" you have to lower the lambda, even if it is a lambda calculated via maf...map nm>iq gains ridiculous not to have in mind how much you want to inject, it seems to me.
injection times may also go here to change from 10mm3 and 600bar practically just above idle speed so the same just the clutch..turbo pressure whole increased only serves to put stress on the turbine and the clutch where you don't need that pressure(at low revs), making the remain more closed the vgt and going to make more back pressure...
rail may be good, but the increments are always fixed at 5% everywhere parts more gradually to get to the pressure you want....your limiters then are virtually flush with the press rail if you lunges high speed you will definitely have recovery...in essence, the map should be redone completely
the limiters I left them based on the previous map which I modified and then I have to redo all from **** still, I need to know the maps main as they were at the view of an expert.
the EGR I touched at the time, but a lot of it is disconnected so I do not think it vital to put back ori no?
For the rest, I accept the advice and change the values as you described since I read that you are a great.
If you don't mind can you please post as soon as I mod for a review
Thanks for the advice munro
I don't know why I appear to be the **** writing "P Or" .. formatting the mysterious site!
I'm back here, I realized my error static on the map..
I have not really got a head of cabbage, and then running increases only in the report of the 3D, I completely lose the view of the axes to make a proper increase in synchronous with the various maps.
I can ask step by step help to learn the edit in 2D ?
I saw that doing the conversion are also integrated factors such as :
the air pressure must be subtracted from the value of the nominal factor z (x and y say, are the axes in 2d)
each curve to a bp to the beginning of the curve that sets the max value to which you want to base the percentage of increase (correct me if I'm wrong)
The curves are statically always the same and categorization of the type:
value 6000 = diesel IQ
value 2000 = p.turbo
value 1000 = % pedal
9000/10000/10500 = mg air
Beyond this there are differences in visual feedback, such as:
Map of saw-teeth = map smoke
the map in decreasing the incremental number of turns = should be the time of inj.
I'm farneticando and I made a mess or I am going in the correct direction?
As you can deduce I'm in the very early weapons and I'm trying to study and categorize the most of the information to be able to independently format and continue with the studies. Unfortunately, not being of the profession, I have limitations and I ask you the kindness of delucidarmi and point me to the better on the road.
Thanks
also, the conversion factors I've very clear on the various maps..
I hope some guru who has patience and time to dedicate myself
thanks
the forum is full of information just search for them....
on things you are unclear you can ask for help
I am providing to acquire the info you need via the "search", but a question I must make:
Why load the maps on my edc16c39 employs nearly 10volte of time in most of the other mpps?
Edc15c7 and edc16c39 of the GT makes it in 2 minutes or less. My 10mins.. Absurd..
There is something about the compression or I don't know what that slows you down or is this enough?
strange usually have to write them down it takes 2 minutes....make sure to check the battery voltage must stay well over to 12v..l
There is above as it should..
In fact, this is the only ECU (my randomly) puts us at a fucking time.. Having changed a ECU I do not think she or the battery.
It will be the hw version that has the ports the lens.. I do Not understand..
In fact, I limit myself to physically test any maps because of the time push the lord..
Okay, my bad.. only some of the work performed.
Thanks munro
In edc16c39 the percentages are indicated by powers of 2 (see a little bit what is 2 to the 13) and watch on the bp map pedal what is there.
Beer paid for the two of them.
Legendary
Guys I have a question which I could not find the answer.
Address 1fced8 I have a welter of curves with apparently no sense (outside of drivers) to which I can not give the definition.
Can you enlighten me?
Currently, through the help of the tips and examples read in the forum I have developed a mod which I have many doubts because many of the changes are out of the driver, as well as changing the BP to 100mm3 of fuel oil and other, I can not define their real function.
You glue both the part of the map with the uncertainty, the indefinite on the PNG file that the map mod I hope I made decently that they are now with a mod loaded with minimum schemes minimum rise and the car goes like 'na the city centre.
I am waiting for advice before loading it seen that it takes around 20 minutes with mpps (du balls).
thanks friends
On the PNG are placed in comparison with another software version of the same edc16 with same hw 882..
I was comparing if it was something referring to the index of the driver that I assume it is but I don't have certainty.
Thanks
oh I forgot.. I have not touched 3 maps since I never understood their point of load in function of the other maps in the pair.
from 1c1674 to 1c1874 torque to the functionality sports
from 1c18b8 to 1c1ab8 torque to the functionality sports B
and this defined torque during acceleration
from 1c1afc to 1c1cfa
Give me info that I otherwise am stuck, not grim so to improve it..
Thanks
the one area of the map in the screen you posted is the area relative to the checksum, do not worry.
every time you make a mod in the mod file, then the software editing recalculate the cks to start the car...said very gossolonamente.
for the mod I have just a little time, take a look at it.
the one area of the map in the screen you posted is the area relative to the checksum, do not worry.
every time you make a mod in the mod file, then the software editing recalculate the cks to start the car...said very gossolonamente.
for the mod I have just a little time, take a look at it.
ah perfect, I at least know where is located the cks in the file.. a useful info.
I didn't for the recalculation considering that I have saved with the driver then recalculated and cmq mpps recalculates the route.. at least until now, has not failed.
Thanks and good job friend
Then Tranky you say immediately so I take off my thought: the map does not go well.
you skipped many of the maps pedal or the enrichment in acceleration you have to get them to do all starting from 1250-1500
rpm and from 50% pedal until you get the iq that you want to inject, it seems to me that you want to inject 100mm3
I advise you to unlock the ecu for the iq provided in the map times,advances,etc., for the moment, a 70-80mm3.
since you don't know what you do in the file do you experience so then increases gradualemte the iq
100mm3 on an engine completely stock are many if you don't know how to distribute them you can break something.
so in summary i dw them you can also do that require 500nm or 100mm3,to see the correlation nm<iq there is
the special map that, in this last file you also modified.
did this unlock the various limiters you've touched for you to inject 70-80mm3 not go beyond that.
the maps lambda, I know that you don't understand change well having in mind what to inject, and it is estimated
the iq as a function of the aspirated air, which are the axes that you have also changed.you can start to change just after the
schemes of the minimum in these maps because they are the ones that give you a little bit of aggression at the bottom, along with other
changes.
the maps advances are exaggerated, I have seen increases of over 4 degrees have low speeds your car "picchiera"
as a press mould.
forgive ori a little map out of the driver if you don't know what to press rail are very high and as well as for its
limiters forgive ori maps vgt and put ori the pid control
forgive ori a little of the axes of the maps in the driver and out driver is not needed as they did.
then, however, check your email...I sent you a small guide to the edc16.
Is the inj I made it to 100mm3 hoping to have more.
I change as you said and place the result after reading the DOC.
Thanks a lot munro
hi to all, I have a opinion about this map?
thanks
I fear that I have wrong some relationship as I have modified to last the turbine and sicuremante I have to change the iq.
I look forward to tips and any info on how many hp he has with this mod.
Thanks
hi to all, I have a opinion about this map?
thanks
I fear that I have wrong some relationship as I have modified to last the turbine and sicuremante I have to change the iq.
I look forward to tips and any info on how many hp he has with this mod.
Thanks
I quoto alone.. it sucks that mod.
Guys an info.. I'm recalculating the map for 100mm3 but I have dubi on advances.
saw that in the map ori with 70mm3 is at 22° and calcolandoli are 26,32 with prx to 1600.
Comparing with rail pressure at 1700 esco out much coming to 31,86° ...
As I know the limit and how do I know the increase of IQ in these maps without going over the pms to 5.5° difference?
I was advised to increase to the maximum iq of a maximum of 3° about but can't deliver the 100mm3 but I thought that I could up the pressure to 1750, to reduce the degrees over the pms, but I don't know if the plant of the 147 937 keeps such pressures.
You can give me some advice kindly?
Thanks
Have you done the sums? If with 1600 bar you need 26,32 ° , with a 1700-we need less not more. If I'm not mistaken with more pressure for the same iq it takes less time then less degrees to inject the whole.
Have you done the sums? If with 1600 bar you need 26,32 ° , with a 1700-we need less not more. If I'm not mistaken with more pressure for the same iq it takes less time then less degrees to inject the whole.
ori is up to 70mm3 with prex 1600 with calculating degrees of 26,32, but in the map ori, the mass 22, with the increases to 100mm3 (as in the table I sent you) I'm up to + 31°..
I wanted opinions more of those who know about the mod, and I think that by increasing the pressure on the same iq's obvious that the fall times, but overcoming the 70mm3 times are more.
I saw the map he has posted on his topic with the same my car and the ecu (except the sw that he has 005 and I 772, but changes very little and nothing) and he has time to 100mm3 of 24 as a maximum and it's varied degrees golds on 70mm3.. I do not understand the logic used..
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