Fiat Ulysse 2.2 not part

[Gerard]

Here we are at my first nice post (sar? a little lunghetto) with a problem very strange
it is a Ulysse 2.2 year 2004, edc15c2 ecu hw0281011522 sw1037368845, then let me explain,
the car was my father-in-law who, unfortunately, has left us for about a year and a half, and from then on the car ? remained without anyone to use and/or occasionally the put in motion, now about a month ago my brother-in-law has set in motion to get a p? aiche is ? broken a sleeve of the water and the stop. we brought the car at my shop with his chariot, relief, on arrival, I started the car with the cables, why? the battery was discharged and I downloaded the car from the tank to the rescue,putting on the deck in the workshop, I replaced the sleeve broken with a provisional and I kept the car in motion for a couple of good hours sincerandomi of you who haven't created any other damage type cylinder head gasket, burned or water pump with losses due to downtime extended, ordered the sleeve again, his arrival, I started the car and brought to the workshop, I replaced the same, parking the car out to do a job on another car and at the time to take it back to finish the job the car is not part pi?............
The engine turns over but will not start
Faults in the ecu none
pump low pressure ok
the engine revs ok
immo ok
I forgot, at times, do not operate the electric windows and the centralized
thinking of a problem in the keys, and not having a second (my mother-in-law unfortunately ? a p? forgetful) I made a scodifica total but no, I do not want to know
checked all the fuses and for all, I say all,
now a friend of mine today told me that he had had a similar case, and after he had gone crazy for several days and found a connector is not firmly under the steering column.
Has any member of the forum ? ever, or the most of the strange things happen only to me??
we accept suggestions of any kind
another very important thing, another friend mechanic told me that there have been cases in which the control unit AB having wet due to water infiltration was not starting the car for issues related to the can, actually I have of the unknown errors in AB, but I don't want to believe it
:confused:

[Gerard]

I do that, the rottamo or give me a hand to put it back in the bike??:rolleyes:

[tezzero]

The pressure on the rail l' have you checked in the start up??

[Gerard]

You the pressure ? right, the conditions for the start are all there, the engine will not start why? according to me not to open the injectors, the problem is not ? mechanical but electrical in nature in fact, some units type ac, central door locking and electric windows do not respond, the fact ? in the engine control unit, there are faults except for the ****l cerina, but also sensa cerina, the car must leave, sar? crazy the ECU?
then, if the problem was in the high pressure had to store as a pressure that is too low.
I located a doubt, you may be blocked injectors? maybe because of the old fuel,
I don't know what to think

[tezzero]

Give it a try...remove an injector from the engine then relates back to the outside so that you can see if it works...then let us know..

[tecnoracing]

hello you can know what pressure you have in avviammento ?

[munro]

however, I don't think I have the injectors went I think I rather to the pump and the low pressure rail..
the psa engines need a lot of pressure from the pump low pressure, otherwise the hell with that leave....I ? happened on a citro?n xantia 2.0 hdi that it wouldn't start not even driven for miles and miles and in the diagnosis gave me a little rail pressure,below 300 bar,for which I replaced the pump hpcr why? I thought it was her responsible but it was the pump electric in tank low pressure that is not loaded sufficiently the entire system, and did not reach the pump hpcr all the pressure to the minimum necessary.... now as the car in question ? been a lot of stops can? be that the said abijah stopped "pressionare" how to....don't be fooled why? maybe disconnect the hose that comes from this ? you see that is a lot of diesel....what counts ? the pressure that this can create....

[Gerard]

[Gerard]

to remove an injector on that car touches down the engine, why? on this is mounted a hydraulic extractor that does a lot of strength now I can't remember but it seems to me something around 100-150 kg of pressure for estarazione...
however, I don't think sianogli injectors gone I think I rather to the pump and the low pressure rail..
the psa engines need a lot of pressure from the pump low pressure, otherwise the hell with that leave....I ? happened on a citro?n xantia 2.0 hdi that it wouldn't start even driven chilometriper low rail pressure,below 300 bar,in which I replaced the pump hpcr why? in the starter didn't want to low pressure thinking it was her, but the problem was the pump electric in tank low pressure that is not loaded sufficiently the entire system, and did not reach the pump hpcr all the pressure necessary to....

You are right, but the low pressure ? the first thing that I checked in and ? ok

[tezzero]

Above he said that the pressure ? right...I assume at least 300 bar, the high and at least 2.00 to the low....if ? difficult to pull out an injector just get any other electro-injectors of the same family..and see if it sprays then you will make due consideration..otherwise just connect an oscilloscope to see if the ecu commands the injectors..

[Gerard]

I check to see if the attached file ? scodificato well,

[Gerard]

if ? difficult to pull out an injector just get any other electro-injectors of the same family..and see if it sprays

in fact ? what I meant to do that to remove an injector on this car ? truly a company

[munro]

gerard I insist that both the pump and the low pressure...the pressure of the same must be around 4 bar otherwise nisva...
then I do not think that the injectors stop working from one moment to the next, and also doing the test of the injector outside what do you see?ok sprays but if the press is not ? just as you see it??you put your finger in front of the nozzle to see if you come out?

[Gerard]

you put your finger in front of the nozzle to see if you come out?

Ahahaha, no, by the fingers, I need to work, however in the morning I put the diagnosis and the gauge then in the afternoon or in the evening will update

[munro]

by let us know as soon as you can even why? comescrivevo on the tread mercedes c220 cdi I believe that the problem of the pump BP.

[sa80libero]

do diagniosi and measure the pressure and let us know the results

[Gerard]

Sorry guys, but today I had no time to even see what color was the ulysse and, therefore, no evidence, to postpone the whole thing tomorrow

[tezzero]

if the injectors spray the engine starts... or d? a few hints..The pump bp must exceed 1.5 bar (pressure in the piston with a spring that is located under the connector entry of all of the bosch common-rail is lowered, and f? enter diesel in the pump always runs ******.), while the operating pressure is around 2,5-3,0 bar.

[Chris156]

sorry if I'm intruding, but not having the car forward ? a little difficult to give opinions or advice targeted..? should remove all doubt.
Fuel filter, have you checked?
Have you checked the distribution and if ? all-in-stage?

[munro]

chris the fact ? that gerard turned off after it had set in motion after a long break and now suddenly it's not the most part I do not believe that the distribution of jumps from one moment to the other the fuel filter, however, is always good to check it but I insist that the problem of all ? the pump bp motors psa in need of a lot of press for starting me ? already happened on a xantia 2.0 hdi the press that bp was 2bar ? he didn't replaced the pump hpcr thinking it was her ? nisva fitted a new pump bp with 4bar car ? the game even with the old pump hpcr...
however, now that I think about it the better I remember that on pegeout 807,which are similar to the phedra,had a problem of oxidation, contact the ecu as this ? positioned right under the drain hole of the windshield I would not like that had happened to you to? the strange fact ? that before ? game if the ecu was oxidized he didn't quite believe....

[tezzero]

munro the pump pushes 3 bar as all of the cr-fed...if you did do you ? game with 4 bar means that the piston was semibloccato and ? only with a push higher..

[munro]

as the piston tezzero?

[tezzero]

under the inlet fitting of the fuel located on the common rail pump bosch c'? a piston cylinder is lifted by a spring calibrated at about 1.5 bar when the pump is low leads to a higher pressure than the lowers and f? get diesel into the pump..if you remove the inlet hose and insert into a drift-punch or a screwdriver to push down and feel it work..

[lumaracing]

hello,you look qualdo remove the inlet hose and insert a screwdriver and push down,nn force very xch? if it gets inside and after you have to disassemble the pump,you should push slowly and see if ? ******.if ? blocked, you must remove the pump.
if you need some advice I am a pompista,can contact me in pm.

[Gerard]

Update, today ? come my friend, why? it was ****** and you ? put to give you a sneak peek, in practice, I dismantled the car inside and outside, according to her diagnosis, the problem ? in the body computer (as I imagined, see the first post), in fact, there are various things that do not work, type up the glass, control module, climate, and other, would seem to have missing sections in the engine control unit, but to be ir? precise and reliable I have to get the wiring diagram. as soon as the avr? the scheme will update, even why? the car I am working in the dead times of the workshop (not ? So urgent), and fortunately at the moment I have a few.

[munro]

tezzero now I understand that tyre valve you say, but you see that with both of the pumps hpcr was exactly the same fault that he didn't throw the hpcr pump,high pressure common rail,old and fitted a new electric pump is original to the car and the game and worked on a regular basis...
*gerard checks that it has not rusted, the engine control unit, seen in the bad position where st? practically under the windshield between the compartment and the wiper and a drain of the water of the windscreen that goes just above,at least the 807, then not s?..

[tezzero]

If you are missing power to the engine control unit does not enter the diagnosis...do a test,turn on the ignition and measure the engine temperature sensor should read 5 volts means the ecu is ? powered

[tezzero]

lumaracing are a colleague...is always a great pleasure..we stayed in a few of the crazy...

[Gerard]

Then... are not escaped abroad ? I have a lot of commitments and the Ulysse ? in the second floor, I heard a friend of mine who owns a car that is identical and also the same year, this summer after having parked the car normally, in the resume, the car would not start ir? and gave the same symptoms as mine, i.e. lights not working, electric windows not working, etc, etc, moral of the story has replaced the body inside and another type of body in the engine compartment for the modest sum of 550,00 euro and the car ? to be born again.
I have now instructed my friend to get the whole thing, including the ecu and the key used and see how it ends

[mastomichele]

the only thing that you can do to try to pull the machine and let it boot in tow to me and landed on a van was stopped a long time that he didn't
then we towed the middle and party

[fcp84]

fuel pump?