View The Full Version : The real terror is the block of the ecu - true or false ?
Reading on the forums more? I can not, one thing is clear: the terror of the chip-tuner, that can? only work in serial mode ? the block of the procedure during the writing of data to the ecu.
Knowing little of the theory and, unfortunately, least of all to practice, I would like to gather some opinion to share here, by one who really knows and it works for real.
1).
How much ? real and frequante this situation ?
2)
Concerns typically beginners, why? not consocono well yet the mode? approach and venture unwary (see the work without the boost on the battery, with a voltage that if cala goodbye) ? And so it is a problem related to the method ?
3).
It only happens why? you use interfaces cloned and therefore not reliable or PC sgangerati ? (and the professional people flow into, using the kit of the brand in thousands of euro, this problem does not want to meet him ?)
And so it is a problem related to the equipment ?
4).
It is a fact of bad luck ?
(okay, this slips always, for? not ? a scientific parameter measurable - let...)
Clarity on the subject block of the ecu (which for a non-professional, if it happens, it results in the immobilisation of the vehicle with trouble resulting not recently) it seems to me relevant.
What do you think ?
at least 1 time in your life it will happen, but then we think of the holy bdm, the points you mentioned are important escuderei the fourth hypothesis, even if some times it takes even her,but with adequate equipment and with the right precautions, such as those you mentioned the phenomenon in which the percentage very low.
magi1984
05-10-2012, 19:44
as you say, there are a myriad of factors that can block the ecu, let's say that with the right interface and the right precautions, the risks drop dramatically for our good fortune!
gi?, the risks fall - not c'? doubt
of course, if it happens, that you invent ?
if friends tuner in town? you don't have, call the tow truck and go to an authorized repair shop ?
(the question ? serious)
www.professionalchiptuning.net the only tow truck, if you can't fall off the unit definitely will put it right back into function.
and let's not forget the curious friend, that while you're writing the data in the ecu and tell it to not touch anything for charity?, he promptly stumbles in the cable from the interface and disconnect from the OBD
true success the more that curious friend ? a coglixxx
true true.. I cast out all when I do these things..
must be everything under control and we can allow distractions.. after that you get 100% then you may find that something I do hihihi :)
But once you have gone wrong with the programming, you must program it with the bdm or are there other methods?
But once you have gone wrong with the programming, you must program it with the bdm or are there other methods?
depends on what you are doing.. however the bdm ? the solution ir? easy.. but you have to be careful.. why? even with the bdm you can make a mess
especially when you open up your ecu if you're not careful the fuck
sa80libero
06-10-2012, 09:34
with original instruments or otherwise of good quality, these risks fall by at least 80%....
oh, how pleased I am !
I see that this discussion raises the interest
I invite you to continue with your considerations
are very important, especially for beginners, but it seems that not only
then
the intervention bdm, and then physically on the micro, seems to be the last beach as a result of the stable block
some ?, that to try to solve in this way the prerequisites are at least:
- you're basically a mechanical (better mecatronico)
- you know, disconnect and remove the ecu
- you trust to open it
- you have the equipment hw and sw for the intervention.
these are not the baggage of all
pass the first three steps, where in any way you can? do something
but in my opinion, I doubt that the ir? (non-professional) exceed the fourth point, or have the specific equipment
lumaracing
06-10-2012, 11:26
to me ? happened with a skoda 1.9 tdi year 2009 while I was reading it with the BDM ALIENTECH gold from my friend,and then after I went to the asylum to find it and in the end he had to buy new.These are experiences that you do.
to find it ? what do you mean ?
did you have to buy the ecu ?
lumaracing
06-10-2012, 11:41
to find it ? what do you mean ?
did you have to buy the ecu ?
yes,xch? I have been a couple of months and I am able to find it anywhere,I bought a unit in germany in the year 2007 SW equal only changed the HW, and even nn ? went well and at the end I bought the unit new
lumaracing
06-10-2012, 11:42
yes,xch? I have been a couple of months and I am able to find it anywhere,I bought a unit in germany in the year 2007 SW equal only changed the HW, and even nn ? went well and at the end I bought the unit new
and at the end for a credinata that nn ? was my fault I put in the pocket, 1150,00 euros more? other units that I bought
excuse the term, but what a bad luck !
I forgot
but the real problem, what is? the state ?
or rather the cause of the problem...
hi all... sorry lumaracing also in reading, you can do damage? ioero convinced it was only in reading...
If I can give you my experience:
I have lost count of how many scriptures I have done on my car;
A day for a saved file on the evil from titanium, the car does not put more on the bike, I didn't feel the pump and try again a second writing with the cock(clone) and all of a sudden when cliccai on data from the ecu, the ecu is not communicated more with the cock.
Panic total; I was able to resolve by forcing equally writing with another file.
wow ... bad story...in order to avoid blocks strange the ecu, anyone know what ? reliable or best interface you can? use to read and write my megane 1.5 dci 105hp 2006?or, at least, the chip I'm going to write/read .the name I mean..?thanks in advance..
wow ... bad story...in order to avoid blocks strange the ecu, anyone know what ? reliable or best interface you can? use to read and write my megane 1.5 dci 105hp 2006?or, at least, the chip I'm going to write/read .the name I mean..?thanks in advance..
for this car you can use the magpro2 download modify and re-enter quietly reminding you to keep, if necessary, the encoding injectors.
... thanks for the reply ..in another forum they told me the kess...the galletto clone better to launch it from a cliff??
a piece of advice that I can give to the less experienced.. if you happen that you are writing in serial and the writing blocks.. never turn off the picture.. so that the whole does not ? went to a good end..
if things go bad.. b? then turn off everything and open the ecu.. and then lots and lots of luck
... thanks for the reply ..in another forum they told me the kess...the galletto clone better to launch it from a cliff??
I'm sorry, but if we talk about the kessv2 to have said of the nonsense I believe that it is the only one that will indicate the right procedure to perform, think about megane3 new model if you do not run the procedure with the cabbage-laws.
I don't know my ? the megane 2, I would like to make more? brilliant at high revs
..with a friend we need to take a contraption is that ? able to write and read a ton of chips divided between eeprom, eprom, pic, etc, etc to do other odd jobs type drivers...knowing l integrated on the inside to read it without dissaldarlo do you think you could do giarras?there are also a pair of tweezers.
of course, without locking the ecu senn? I know trouble....
isfedale82
18-11-2012, 23:13
this topic terrify me, but the cock nn ? reliable?
hi please can you tell me if the ecu is also block to read them? and what is questobdm?
msport (exil77grande)
21-11-2012, 14:39
hi please can you tell me if the ecu is also block to read them? and what is questobdm?
in reading problems that are not there', but in writing there may be also depends on the precautions of little tricks to follow,the bdm is a programmer on the bench that reads and writes the bosch edc16,delphy,marelli, siemens serves both, in case you want to do a back up for safety and when you have to retrieve centrline locked,of course, we always want to back up, or you have to rebuild the bed even if corrupted. the bdm is recommended to use it with the jig and schedule of the spring,you can post 2 link to our forum where you can view and possibly buy.
dima + schedule spring https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?317-accessori-bdm
bdm https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?316-bdm
megamind
22-11-2012, 01:34
in reading problems that are not there', but in writing there may be also depends on the precautions of little tricks to follow,the bdm is a programmer on the bench that reads and writes the bosch edc16,delphy,marelli, siemens serves both, in case you want to do a back up for safety and when you have to retrieve centrline locked,of course, we always want to back up, or you have to rebuild the bed even if corrupted. the bdm is recommended to use it with the jig and schedule of the spring,you can post 2 link to our forum where you can view and possibly buy.
dima + schedule spring https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?317-accessori-bdm
bdm https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?316-bdm
So if you do not have a backup in bdm such as probability? we are to recover an ecu?
Then one thing that I do not ? clear, if you purchase a unit used without the backup of the original,
as you can? recupurarare the used if is inside the data from another drive?
But if bloccassi the control unit by typing in the serial, however with the bdm should I be able to read the other parameters, apart from the flash right?
msport (exil77grande)
22-11-2012, 12:02
So if you do not have a backup in bdm such as probability? we are to recover an ecu?
Then one thing that I do not ? clear, if you purchase a unit used without the backup of the original,
as you can? recupurarare the used if is inside the data from another drive?
despite not having a backup, but you have bdm provided that they do not both bmw there is a good possibility to recover it.
msport (exil77grande)
22-11-2012, 12:04
But if bloccassi the control unit by typing in the serial, however with the bdm should I be able to read the other parameters, apart from the flash right?
you bdm read the 2eprom,the flash, in this case, the corrupted and the backup.
excuse my ignoran. but that differensa there and traflash and serial I all these words in the code I don't understand hahaha thanks
msport (exil77grande)
22-11-2012, 14:25
speaking of flash, let's talk about the file that you get from reading the ecu,serial, instead, you intend to read in obd mode then connecting the cable to the obd port.
thanks for the explanation does not make a crease.
dvdtuning
28-11-2012, 12:19
If you only have the bdm ? can reset the ecu through an online file posted by you admin?
The specific case: write the serial block and the ecu and I can not unlock it; I remove and I read it in bdm (I have to read the micro or the 2eprom?) and send the file only to the professionalchiptuning and I will come? returned only to be rewritten?
magi1984
28-11-2012, 13:39
usually when you lock the ecu blocks the flash, so if someone has, or if you find online to a file of the flash full, the write ib bdm and you're set
dvdtuning
28-11-2012, 14:54
But always read in bdm the file that you need to find? or a 2 mega, maybe on edc16c39, read by mpps?
msport (exil77grande)
28-11-2012, 14:58
often if you have the serial reading and reading in the bdm also if the file is corrupt, you can rebuild.
dvdtuning
28-11-2012, 15:07
Thanks magi, and thanks msport!
I as a precaution if I do a edc15 do a tour....the 16-and marelli mjt as a precaution, I always do a reading in the bdm and then I go to the serial if it crashes I always get the' ori ;)
dvdtuning
29-11-2012, 11:50
I got it but then open all the ecu and it's heavy I think.
think of how much ? heavy the guy who found the car stuck in writing....
msport (exil77grande)
29-11-2012, 14:51
I as a precaution if I do a edc15 do a tour....the 16-and marelli mjt as a precaution, I always do a reading in the bdm and then I go to the serial if it crashes I always get the' ori ;)
it has no sense to dismantle a edc15 because if you lock just rewrite the flash can be seen,for the edc16 the only more complex that the council read in bdm if you are not equipped well are the siemens and the edc16 bmw.
and if in writing, you leave the vents?? then you have to remove, etc, etc ...
dvdtuning
30-11-2012, 15:39
If they leave the fans but you have a charger attached, or a battery in parallel, or simply a battery charging does not happen practically nothing.
Tested on audi a3 and a4.
Gianpy80
30-11-2012, 16:36
good to know rexton 2.7 black list
hello if maybe someone experienced can spegare why.
cinqueturbo
30-11-2012, 23:19
Hello everyone!!!!
With regard to the car VAG, don't remove a fuse?
I seem to have read something about it,
but I don't remember where,
and in that circumstance you had to remove..
blackwolf76
01-12-2012, 00:00
I do not have much experience, but a little I made with a multiple jtd to a friend of mine. He wanted at all costs to do the tests and I tell him that I didn't want to understand because it was risky given the tools and the expertise, all scarce. But given his complete availability? to risk the ecu I am washed hands
With a galletto clone of those. the avr? programmed a few hundred times, with files found on the network, files from the diskette in the kit, the files of other units with the number of HW and SW are completely different, and for + the car also had the battery on the ground, and many times we had to push to start it. In the worst case, the car would not run, it was enough to postpone the file ori and resuming without problems, obviously with the wing above. Rightly not all the cars are cos? even if we consider this ? a edc15, less prone to blocks than it can be one of those + recent.
Lately, instead of me ? stuck writing on a 1.3 mj with mpps5 because lock pc, switch off the ignition, I restarted the dac**** and I have not had any problem.
Let's say that there are cases and cases, but a good dose of luck never hurts...
Hello everyone!!!!
With regard to the car VAG, don't remove a fuse?
I seem to have read something about it,
but I don't remember where,
and in that circumstance you had to remove..
on edc15 you, says the programmer should be fuse number 11 or 15 now I can't remember if no you can not write it
dvdtuning
01-12-2012, 13:18
And' the fuse no?11.
Gianpy80
01-12-2012, 13:40
it seems to me that the programmer is calling him "dash fuse" or fuse dashboard..
cinqueturbo
02-12-2012, 08:35
Fuse n?11?
Or did a style on an edc15p and reaching the 15-20% I match the 2?fan
already I trembled in their hands..
I figured in the writing I would have had a heart attack....
msport (exil77grande)
02-12-2012, 11:42
Fuse n?11?
Or did a style on an edc15p and reaching the 15-20% I match the 2?fan
already I trembled in their hands..
I figured in the writing I would have had a heart attack....
exact and the fuse no?11 to remove and you must do the same procedure even if lighting-switch off the ignition remains switched off completely,then once it is finished everything remains the indicator airbag off with the diagnosis,with regard to the fact that reading is turned on the fan you have nothing to fear because you will have to stop the reading, nothing happens pero view the thing you can prevent problems in the scriptures by unplugging the fans.
carlo abarth
02-12-2012, 12:29
the edc 15 shooting always if you have a programmer to tour the mountain of the 29f400...etc.. you write without problems!!!
Fuse n?11?
Or did a style on an edc15p and reaching the 15-20% I match the 2?fan
already I trembled in their hands..
I figured in the writing I would have had a heart attack....
Gianpy80
04-12-2012, 11:19
Fuse n?11?
Or did a style on an edc15p and reaching the 15-20% I match the 2?fan
already I trembled in their hands..
I figured in the writing I would have had a heart attack....
? for this, each time you read/write a serial port you must attack a booster or a battery charger to the machine, cos? to avoid voltage drop... The audi even in writing to activate the power steering pump electrical...
tuommo89
09-12-2012, 21:45
it takes the bdm right ? also applies to the golf 4 101cv - 130hp the link ?
I say mine: never turn off the picture, break the link with the ecu , calm and re-enter you should resume if no......... dead open the ecu, but with official tools
carlo abarth
09-12-2012, 22:16
if you want to block, you block with the official tool and the question of seating!!
msport (exil77grande)
09-12-2012, 23:20
it takes the bdm right ? also applies to the golf 4 101cv - 130hp the link ?
in the case of the edc15 that we do not want the bdm, but a programmer eeprom and soldering station/dissaldante but before this, you can try to tour without desoldering.
tuommo89
09-12-2012, 23:57
not the sapeevo.....slowly I am learning new things....thanks msport....6 great :)
According to me you have also forgotten to say that ? very important to the calculation of the checksum, we recall that the interfaces do automatic writing (edc16),instead, for the (edc15) the calculation must be done with special programs such as the ecm is not calculating the checksum, means to block the control unit .
msport (exil77grande)
11-12-2012, 08:37
According to me you have also forgotten to say that ? very important to the calculation of the checksum, we recall that the interfaces do automatic writing (edc16),instead, for the (edc15) the calculation must be done with special programs such as the ecm is not calculating the checksum, means to block the control unit .
but in that case, just replace the file ori and the machine part and a block control unit final but a momentary thing.
antonio.o
30-12-2012, 18:21
Excuse my ignorance from the profane, but given the many problems due to the likely voltage drop may not be the ecu read/write with the machine in motion..
Hello.
legendaryslave
30-12-2012, 18:55
Excuse my ignorance from the profane, but given the many problems due to the likely voltage drop may not be the ecu read/write with the machine in motion..
Hello.
no, in the most absolute no
antonio.o
30-12-2012, 19:02
no, in the most absolute no
Thanks I begin to learn.
legendaryslave
30-12-2012, 19:06
for the simple reason that you can't change a bit or the whole sequence while the processor accesses to the zone data ? one thing that I never issue tried to do
No you can't? to do..the perfect manual says that it must be only the instrument panel to access and all the rest off the cabin light...
robby51039
30-12-2012, 23:08
I together with galletto 2 I also bought a power supply current to 12.7 v is also maintenance can be right ?
antonio.o
30-12-2012, 23:20
I do not think that the power supply has ampere sufficient to keep powered car, but you should put a battery charger directly to the battery of the machine.
Hello.
explode82
30-12-2012, 23:22
I do not believe ,why? them the problem ? the car battery,not the voltage on the programmer
tuommo89
30-12-2012, 23:23
Excuse my ignorance from the profane, but given the many problems due to the likely voltage drop may not be the ecu read/write with the machine in motion..
Hello.
don't even think about it =) , I'm new in the world of maps etc, but at least I know this =)
legendaryslave
30-12-2012, 23:27
but I'll put a good battery to 100 amps in parallel and out the fans of the machines that I know of, but I always prefer the bdm or the boot or tour only those that I know and I'm sure I'm in a serial
robby51039
30-12-2012, 23:36
talking with a professional preparer as well as a mechanic friend of mine,he recommended that I own a power supply because it does not have peak voltages that are dangerous in phase
writing you have ever done?
legendaryslave
30-12-2012, 23:43
one stabbilizzato we would like to but I also am on the bench I have always powered by the battery (but a good one) and I never had any problems
robby51039
30-12-2012, 23:47
I thanks for the advice
legendaryslave
30-12-2012, 23:48
I thanks for the advice
anything you carry only my asperienze
emilground
31-12-2012, 10:54
When I write, I connect a power supply voltage, adjustable and constant 25A ( the ones used for the HF transceivers), which provides a current that is very clean. I have also written with the MPPS of a BMW 118d that is said to be very hard to type in the serial with the clones and ? all went very well. As suggested by the program, I have adjusted the voltage to 14 volts. The same power supply I use it by connecting it to the BDM ( the rest goes from 10.5 to 16 volts depending on the adjustment). Of course it must go wrong does go wrong the same, but at least we try to limit the pi? can that happen
antonio.o
31-12-2012, 12:39
When I write, I connect a power supply voltage, adjustable and constant 25A ( the ones used for the HF transceivers), which provides a current that is very clean. I have also written with the MPPS of a BMW 118d that is said to be very hard to type in the serial with the clones and ? all went very well. As suggested by the program, I have adjusted the voltage to 14 volts. The same power supply I use it by connecting it to the BDM ( the rest goes from 10.5 to 16 volts depending on the adjustment). Of course it must go wrong does go wrong the same, but at least we try to limit the pi? can that happen
Sorry, but the power supply you connect it in parallel to the battery of the car or what??.
Hello
emilground
31-12-2012, 13:02
in parallel, as if it were a battery charger. Then I turn on the ignition and adjust voltage. I also indicates how many are absorbed by the circuit to bring the desired tension.
antonio.o
31-12-2012, 14:08
Feel I have changed a power supply for pc c and me delivers almost 14v and a minimum of 10A say I can use it.??
Hello.
emilground
31-12-2012, 14:20
According to me no why? should be in protection. To keep the framework on 14 volts are required, usually from 10 to 25 A. Then the switching power supplies are very sensitive and go into protection. Once connected to the power supply ( at the beginning, I get 11.5 volts) increase slowly the voltage. However, a serious power supply does not cost that much and you can use it for so many things
antonio.o
31-12-2012, 14:41
You made me come to curiosity? I'm going to try it now and see what happens.
robby51039
31-12-2012, 15:16
you have centered in the middle of what I wanted to say emilground!! a stable power supply of the vehicle in writing you can eliminate from a lot of troubles
robby51039
31-12-2012, 15:18
when I took the courses in the mercedes was the first thing that is recommended to do during the updates in the middle, I do not know if it can be sition thing but'???
antonio.o
31-12-2012, 16:22
You made me come to curiosity? I'm going to try it now and see what happens.
So I plugged in the power supply I tried to make the diagnosis with FES by measuring the voltage on the battery with the ignition switched off gave me 13.02 per V with ignition turned on in the diagnosis gave me 12,56 I believe that in anticipation of read/write ECU can trust.
Hello.
emilground
31-12-2012, 21:57
when I took the courses in the mercedes was the first thing that is recommended to do during the updates in the middle, I do not know if it can be sition thing but'???
A constant voltage ? certainly one of the ideal conditions, then if it leads to a value normally present in the phase of motion that is between 13,8 and 14,2 ? even better
So I plugged in the power supply I tried to make the diagnosis with FES by measuring the voltage on the battery with the ignition switched off gave me 13.02 per V with ignition turned on in the diagnosis gave me 12,56 I believe that in anticipation of read/write ECU can trust.
Hello.
12,56 are fine, me ? happened once to write even when the battery was at 11,70 and ? everything went ok. Surely much depends on the type of ECU and... luck... why? with electronics you never know..
antonio.o
01-01-2013, 01:52
A constant voltage ? certainly one of the ideal conditions, then if it leads to a value normally present in the phase of motion that is between 13,8 and 14,2 ? even better
12,56 are fine, me ? happened once to write even when the battery was at 11,70 and ? everything went ok. Surely much depends on the type of ECU and... luck... why? with electronics you never know..
I don't yet know the type of ECU my automotiv ? a alfa 159 8V JTDM.
Good wishes to all the forum a happy new year.
emilground
01-01-2013, 11:39
the 159 has edc16c39, I've also written under 12 volts and I never had a problem
Happy 2013 to all !!
depends on the tool!
if ? less sensitive to voltage fluctuations.
emilground
01-01-2013, 12:25
depends on the tool!
if ? less sensitive to voltage fluctuations.
you ? also true, but is with the galletto 1260 that with the MPPS never had problems
blackwolf76
01-01-2013, 22:56
you ? also true, but is with the galletto 1260 that with the MPPS never had problems
sometimes it takes too much colon....
Even with the interface MPPS, mi ? success. I write the map and at a certain point disappears and the program. Do not be went to lock the ecu, I say. I try to start the car but nada. Then with a lot of patience out of all, connect the interface and start with the writing, thankfully all ok. Otherwise I would have spent the holidays without a camera, what's not very nice. The ecu ? a edc16 and I have a alfa romeo Brera.
emilground
02-01-2013, 09:34
Even with the interface MPPS, mi ? success. I write the map and at a certain point disappears and the program. Do not be went to lock the ecu, I say. I try to start the car but nada. Then with a lot of patience out of all, connect the interface and start with the writing, thankfully all ok. Otherwise I would have spent the holidays without a camera, what's not very nice. The ecu ? a edc16 and I have a alfa romeo Brera.
that is gone, the program does not ? the fault of the interface.
on the alfa romeo I'm very quiet, never had problems even when I had been planning with the rooster and the friend of the side touching the usb cable is stop writing..
tried again with the cock and everything is ok, write complete
msport (exil77grande)
02-01-2013, 10:28
Even with the interface MPPS, mi ? success. I write the map and at a certain point disappears and the program. Do not be went to lock the ecu, I say. I try to start the car but nada. Then with a lot of patience out of all, connect the interface and start with the writing, thankfully all ok. Otherwise I would have spent the holidays without a camera, what's not very nice. The ecu ? a edc16 and I have a alfa romeo Brera.
same thing happened to my coworker with mpps and alfa 147 edc16c8 140cv
that is gone, the program does not ? the fault of the interface.
on the alfa romeo I'm very quiet, never had problems even when I had been planning with the rooster and the friend of the side touching the usb cable is stop writing..
tried again with the cock and everything is ok, write complete
blackwolf76
03-01-2013, 00:33
The important ? always try to start programming without having to turn off the picture if possible. Anyway, the fiat are difficult to nail hopelessly, even blocking the writing on the pi? nice....
I've turned off, why? was stuck the error message VDC on the body computer, and does not go away. I turned it off I tried to start the car but didn't want to leave . Fortunately these units you rewrite easily, otherwise they would be trouble. Anyway I ? came a shot of panic... I was sweating cold.
to me ? success for guilt, I think, is a software program that has crashed during the writing. Once restored, the interview with the ecu and re-written everything ok.
sportknight
03-01-2013, 17:56
to me on the 159 at the end of the reading has not given me the usual procedure turn off the framework expected to turn the picture...but then he is saved without problems,then on the same machine as I write the map and is not to be,I write the original and goes,I write the original without fap and goes,rewrite the map and is not to be,I opened also a topic about that...anyway, a while I shit on him :D
There I think.. but I don't think that here is a problem of the interface, the write is completed. Aside from the one time you did not follow the correct procedure. Cmq ? always a very delicate operation, the write control unit, you must be very careful to avoid any waste of current, turn off the climate - radio - lights, etc and only leave if possible to the picture access.
you and then ? always better to have under control the battery voltage, otherwise if it has a negative peak below the +12v risks locking in read\write like me ? success on a 159 jtdm. There are many factors to control in order to reduce the risks of blocking of the ecu.
demolitionMan
06-01-2013, 15:57
however, the ecu alfa-fiat-lancia in the case of lock , you unlock almost always :D
for luck :) viva alfa romeo ...
nuovaecu
09-01-2013, 08:47
the first few times and really dread of cold sweats, but if you know where to put the hands and with the help of this wonderful forum resolves all, no one lets you down.
isfedale82
09-01-2013, 10:29
I have galletto 1260 I've never done it and I have a pu? fear
E92_mpower
09-01-2013, 10:33
I believe you why? sooner or later it happens...
as you said in the original material is limited to almost zero danger block
isfedale82
09-01-2013, 10:54
If I block with galletto 1260 what equipment should I have to be able to unlock it?
E92_mpower
09-01-2013, 11:23
in general, I know that a backup of the ecu, especially edc17 needs to be done to be able to restore it at any time
antonio.o
09-01-2013, 11:53
in general, I know that a backup of the ecu, especially edc17 needs to be done to be able to restore it at any time
Hello to backup you mean the complete reading of the bin file from the ecu and save it on your pc right...
nuovaecu
09-01-2013, 12:08
you are of the opinion that if it doesn't happen we don't take ourselves of courage. but the solution ec for all
antonio.o
10-01-2013, 14:34
you are of the opinion that if it doesn't happen we don't take ourselves of courage. but the solution ec for all
I have just read the ecu with the galletto 2 that I bought at least read everything is ok. We'll see more forward with evidence of the remap I hope.. and then srittura that happens.
Hello.
With the galletto v2 you can? read all of the ecu to have a backup to restore or not??
antonio.o
10-01-2013, 20:50
With the galletto v2 you can? read all of the ecu to have a backup to restore or not??
I read a file of 2 mega so I guess I complete, I mean this cock - FGTech Galletto 2-Master BDM-TriCore-OBD.
Hello.
E92_mpower
10-01-2013, 20:53
so, the answer ? ... if you have a file 2Mb
antonio.o
10-01-2013, 21:20
so, the answer ? ... if you have a file 2Mb
You and complete backup.
panny200555
18-01-2013, 01:23
You and complete backup.
sorry if I'm intruding but I don't ? true this statement!
Not ? said that the backup is complete the file ? by 2mb. I say this because? depends on the control unit to the control unit.
In my personal case (I have a edc16c39 CAN) with mpps read only partial and not the full and well the size ? of 2mb. Instead, with a Edc16c39 K-line mpps can read dump full ? always 2mb.
This ? my humble opinion and experience. Correct me if I'm saying vegeta freed.
thanks
msport (exil77grande)
18-01-2013, 13:05
in fact, apart from the size in this case 2m on edc16c39 to say that it is a full backup you can see in 2d that initially there are several parameters that file 2m bed in the serial are not there and you find a straight line all of ffffffff.
panny200555
18-01-2013, 14:12
Exactly!!!
75% ? the initial ? straight line of that? values fffff
antonio.o
18-01-2013, 14:57
in fact, apart from the size in this case 2m on edc16c39 to say that it is a full backup you can see in 2d that initially there are several parameters that file 2m bed in the serial are not there and you find a straight line all of ffffffff.
Serial intend to BDM.
panny200555
18-01-2013, 15:26
serial = OBD
antonio.o
18-01-2013, 15:50
serial = OBD
you're right, sorry I am confused hello
spiders80
18-01-2013, 19:15
Hello to all....when I used it for the second time the galletto clone, to read the ecu of my 147, not giving the right importance to the state of the battery that already? a month before I had left to walk away and not replaced., at some point, as soon as she finished reading, turning the key and trying to put in motion, comedians? to flash everything and with so many failure in succession on the display. he was discharged the battery. at that point, I changed and put in motion, but the cock did not want more to know to read, even doing the downgrade and other various tests(some power surge, not having been removed).!this is my first bad adventure that thankfully ended well.
Gianpy80
20-01-2013, 11:08
Hello to all....when I used it for the second time the galletto clone, to read the ecu of my 147, not giving the right importance to the state of the battery that already? a month before I had left to walk away and not replaced., at some point, as soon as she finished reading, turning the key and trying to put in motion, comedians? to flash everything and with so many failure in succession on the display. he was discharged the battery. at that point, I changed and put in motion, but the cock did not want more to know to read, even doing the downgrade and other various tests(some power surge, not having been removed).!this is my first bad adventure that thankfully ended well.
spiders80
20-01-2013, 22:13
what do you mean by strange, sort by this column does not change anything...!
anyway, by that time I am very careful!!
The problems are only in writing,in reading, nothing happens, you can also detach the plug in the phase of reading
panny200555
20-01-2013, 23:10
exactly! during the reading you will not affect the memory and then not c'? none risk.
Gianpy80
21-01-2013, 10:23
The problems are only in writing,in reading, nothing happens, you can also detach the plug in the phase of reading
right.. ? this is what I meant...
spiders80
21-01-2013, 23:46
but , I am a novice, seeing the car as soon as I turned the key and began to give averie and flashing all the lights....I thought that I had created damage to the eprom, and this, while it was only discharged the battery. I wanted to emphasize the fact to give the right importance to the state of the battery when you work with reads/writes to eprom cause, however, you go to work in parts of the engine with the expenditure of energy( sensors, actuators, control unit,pumps, etc..) without this being recharged by the alternator, with the consequent problems of the block in case you're writing.!
Gianpy80
22-01-2013, 12:17
ah b? of course.. especially on some machines, that after the cancellation, while making the writing leave the fan and the power steering electric...
antonio.o
22-01-2013, 13:08
ah b? of course.. especially on some machines, that after the cancellation, while making the writing leave the fan and the power steering electric...
maybe you can? remove any fuse only for the fans to make sure that you do not start when writing.
Gianpy80
22-01-2013, 16:47
you definitely, for? you have already? have a p? of experience to know what are the machines. I, for example, I remember that on the audi A3 2.0 TDI activates the power steering or electric? to be l? to search for the fsibile I connect the booster or charger.
antonio.o
22-01-2013, 16:58
you definitely, for? you have already? have a p? of experience to know what are the machines. I, for example, I remember that on the audi A3 2.0 TDI activates the power steering or electric? to be l? to search for the fsibile I connect the booster or charger.
well you say you have the bost why? I think you do trade, but you understand that for a private and hobbyist ? was gi? an expense to buy the cock and a pc netbook to devote exclusively to my personal experiments.
hello.
Gianpy80
22-01-2013, 17:40
antonio.o
22-01-2013, 18:28
I did one with the wings of a pc I provides 13/14 volts and when I try to hack/write the I always put in parallel to the battery.
Gianpy80
22-01-2013, 18:38
should gi? go well, the important ? maintain at least 13v constant...
tonyteam
05-08-2013, 22:29
and if you lock a edc17 in the boot as you do?
I ? happened already two times that you stopped in writing, but all ? both times it was an automatic transmission, a coincidence?
Dimentivavo with two different interfaces
dantesfx
01-09-2013, 18:57
Coincidence difficult, all the times ? happened to where have seen, c'? was always a human error or hardware.
And also since I have the terror of the automatic transmission, especially bmw
yes,xch? I have been a couple of months and I am able to find it anywhere,I bought a unit in germany in the year 2007 SW equal only changed the HW, and even nn ? went well and at the end I bought the unit new
As I understand you. On my Focus to make a backup in BDM broke the ecu.(lack of opening the injector on cylinder 3). It was a the odyssey: before I got a controller route and then I had to wait months to find another. The trick to me ? cost about 1000 euro!!!
happened to me to block an edc15 for the fault of a cock super clone and the beautiful thing ? that nn was not even mine but I lent to a bad experience I have since learned, I bought a mpps v5 in the box and from then on I have written and read several of the stations also edc16c39 and I never had a problem, and the bdm we want to you equal to the c...or
faberecu
15-10-2013, 08:28
For the moment, no victim in writing :) only with the bdm, struck a Sid 803 A Volvo rotated connector bdm , arrived from Spain in 7 days 230 € ..Pufhh
replacement car for up to 7 days and excuses... then finished luca stanca , map, and a bunch of other things , All OKKKKKKKKKK
sportknight
15-10-2013, 09:36
pabloescobar
15-10-2013, 14:49
Since in this work I have blocked some due to my mistakes with the file or that as the kess when she wrote to a problem or the other stopped the communication? the kess I have ever stayed in ***** in fact, the recovery does the job and restore it.
Hello
And very True, I always have the fear that crashes and leaves me to walk
I prefer to work on the bench...all of these clones to read/write serial mha...
and pi? reliable, safe tour, but you know anke serial certain times and reliable
darioz90
16-05-2014, 12:22
Yesterday evening , trying just to read a paragraph 3? series of a friend (with the lpg-system of series) and the kess v2 clone at the end of the reading after you have cleared any errors ? game in auto the fan and the machine wanted more... detached and reattached the battery the machine ? game immediately, the mysteries of the faith, or have you already? seen similar things?
everyname
27-05-2014, 00:44
I connected via OBD with gallo 1260 to a Mercedes Vito 2.2, as soon as I started reading ? match the fan....brividino cold...but ? went to the bottom, and especially the Vito then ? party!!! Now I have a bit of fear to write... can you ? happened to you?
I connected via OBD with gallo 1260 to a Mercedes Vito 2.2, as soon as I started reading ? match the fan....brividino cold...but ? went to the bottom, and especially the Vito then ? party!!! Now I have a bit of fear to write... can you ? happened to you?
remove the fan if you want to write it.
sportknight
27-05-2014, 07:52
Or, attach a booster
everyname
27-05-2014, 09:31
It is x security the booster I am always attacked when I work with the ECU, I've seen frying many of the stations for the batteries that were already?!
Then with the booster attached ? necessary to remove the vents ? correct?
sportknight
27-05-2014, 10:08
I have not detached, but if the deadlifts ? certainly better staccala directly from the connector you should see it easily
everyname
27-05-2014, 12:51
I have not detached, but if the deadlifts ? certainly better staccala directly from the connector you should see it easily
Ok, perfect. Also because the last I read (but on this, the fan is not ? game) spent 45 minutes with MPPS and pi? 1 hour with Gallo, I don't think the battery would have resisted cos? for a long time.
We have had cases where the reading takes cos? a lot of time?
blackwolf76
27-05-2014, 23:58
The fan on the mercedes edc15 both reading and writing, while on the edc 16 only in writing. On some of those ? difficult to detach the fan connector, then it would be better to remove the fuse N1 of the fusibiliera in the hood.
everyname
28-05-2014, 19:53
The fan on the mercedes edc15 both reading and writing, while on the edc 16 only in writing. On some of those ? difficult to detach the fan connector, then it would be better to remove the fuse N1 of the fusibiliera in the hood.
Ok perfect, thanks for the advice, the ex-cos? I'm pi? quiet.
Hi guys I have read the whole discussion and I can well understand the cbe trauma that may change during programming, until it is all finished...
With my cock from the 10€ I've already programmed two cars, one is a ECU M1.5.5 of a 156 Twin Spark, with a nice bit of cable to give the 12V to pin 10, and the other was the point 1,3 mjet which I only had to read the file.
Since I was interested in the programming on the M. 1.5.5, what is the probability of block this ECU that is already annoying and inviolable? Have you ever clamp it? Maybe these ECU older are less sensitive to current?
Thanks
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