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Hi guys,
I have an alfa 159 1.9 16v 150 hp with a mappetta with which I find it quite good.(EGR and DPF off with a straight pipe installed and a few horse on the pi?)
The problem ? now if you thrust with the throttle and the clutch at the p? slide approximately between 2200 and 3000 rpm .
The machine has about 170000 miles and I took it with 150000 so I don't know if the clutch ? was gi? rebuilt...problems at the flywheel, it seems there are none why? it vibrates and when I turn off and turn on the machine I do not feel shaking...
I'm attaching the map ori, and that mod..the couple did not ? high, according to me, but...what to do?
lowering of the torque in that range almost to bring them to their original values, or there are mistakes on the map that cause more slippage of the clutch?
you therefore need to adjust some other parameters in addition to the torque limiter is to reduce slippage?
I accept suggestions .
thanks
ps.the changes to the map to do with ecm2001..I know it's not ? the maximum but are not expert in absolutely on the contrary!The map I've made of course, but one that makes the map a long time but sometimes there? it doesn't mean anything, and often the maps of others are regardless criticized, then I'm not interested in that someone to make me a map **** to walk but at least I can suggest to fix the gross errors present in this map
no one knows give me suggestions?thanks
amgtuning
08-01-2015, 20:57
I'm so sorry but I am new and I do not have the privileges to view your map, so maybe I could give you a few tips I mod several and I have never had any problems. hello
franco75
08-01-2015, 21:47
Hello, I've seen the map and practically according to me has to be exaggerated on the time of injection ? a map deceived as to the timing and therefore the torque limiter will do very little. I have a strange curiosity? to ask of you, the pressure of the turbo goes to the stars?
Hello, I've seen the map and practically according to me has to be exaggerated on the time of injection ? a map deceived as to the timing and therefore the torque limiter will do very little. I have a strange curiosity? to ask of you, the pressure of the turbo goes to the stars?
The needle of the pressure turbo if I press squirts but you quickly double-check the addition of the accelerator , in fact, if you travel on the highway at 130, and the hand is quiet about 0.4 bar! The fact of the injection timing has an effect also on the clutch slip? And on ecm2001 which item is and on what criteria, and how you should correct?thanks
franco75
08-01-2015, 22:14
how comes the pressure with the pedal to the maximum? according to me too, you can check with the diagnostic tool?
the map time is 1DC0DE.
This has an impact on the slip, of course, delivering more power certain that affects,
checking the pressure why? according to me you have pressure turbo exaggerated, but that covers you smoke, with times to +17% you will be quite delayed for the diesel
that inject. I would not like to be rude, but if you want to learn, in my opinion, you should re-do from scratch.
Otherwise retouch only the limtatore torque ? set the bottom of the pedal
how comes the pressure with the pedal to the maximum? according to me too, you can check with the diagnostic tool?
the map time is 1DC0DE.
This has an impact on the slip, of course, delivering more power certain that affects,
checking the pressure why? according to me you have pressure turbo exaggerated, but that covers you smoke, with times to +17% you will be quite delayed for the diesel
that inject. I would not like to be rude, but if you want to learn, in my opinion, you should re-do from scratch.
Otherwise retouch only the limtatore torque ? set the bottom of the pedal
You're not rude indeed, you are very kind!However, the hand you get to 1.6!the torque limiter ? pi? the bottom of the pedal, and then what should I do?lift the pedal or vice versa?the turbo pressure to the max that percentage should be?let's say you make it from scratch for me not to ? simple why? I don't know how to disable the egr and Dpf !tanks
I have made changes to the map with ecm titanium..someone that currency?
therefore, I have lowered it a p? the torque request in the standard conditions,the torque limiter, led in the stretch of the slide (from about 2100 to 3200 rpm if to lunge with the foot pedal from the third onwards) almost to the original, and even at some point even less,then the maximum torque first second third fourth fifth and hear gear increased by 14%,amount? fuel injected increased from 1500 rpm to about 6% to 12%, injection time (p? lowered and in small parts, lifted,turbo pressure increased slightly in a grid of 10 points on the whole,pressure limiter turbo f also increased by 10 points,rail pressure increased slightly from about 0.10 to max 0.60%.
So..this time I made a super map perfect! ;-)
All jokes aside, I tried to follow the logic, and I made another map!
Also, I corrected the EGR (I hope it is right) and luca stanca (I found a guide to follow in order to correct the various addresses, even if I have doubts if I did good or bad.the addresses are : 1E4080 to 1E408C,then 1E408E,1E4090 to 1E4096,1E40A8,1E442E).
In addition to the malfunction indicator light and the DTC I have found that you have to put the original addresses ranging from 1C8BD4 to 1C8C4A..I did it..? right??
alright now?
ps.here is the guide for defappare...? correct (except for DTC)? :
1) - from the address 1C8BD4 to 1C8C4A brings all to ZERO
2) - from the address 1CB922 to 1CB952 port values from all 10280
3) - from the address 1CBD90 to 1CBDC0 port values from all 10280
4) - from the address 1CBDF6 to 1CBE26 port values from all 10280
5) - 1E3572 brings the value from 1000 to 6000
6) - from the address 1E3590 to 1E361C door all the values to ZERO
7) - the address 1E37AC to 1E37BA door all the values to 32767
8) - the address 1E4080 to 1E408C door all the values to 20000
9) - 1E408E brings the value from 106 to -27005
10) - 1E4090 brings the value from 0 to -32768
11) - from the address 1E4092 to 1E4096 door all the values to 32767
12) - 1E40A8 brings the value from 2 to -1000
13) - 1E40AA brings the value from -5 to -32768
14) - 1E40b6 brings the value from 5000 to 32768
15) - 1E40B8 brings the value from 125 to -32768
16) - from the address 1E4234 to 1E42B2 door all the values to ZERO
17) - from the address 1E43B6 to 1E43D2 door all the values to ZERO
18) - 1E442E brings the value from 400 to -6
anyone? I am anxious to know if you are actually the DTC's are now active, and if the DPF and EGR are turned off properly...
franco75
15-01-2015, 10:41
on the DPF you can't help :(
on the DPF you can't help :(
and the rest of the map as you see it?I want to preserve the clutch and a p? the slide and not give increments exaggerated.Even if I would like to know also the matter of the dpf
no one can? help me to understand if the map ? a load up and not doing damage?
franco75
16-01-2015, 17:48
Just have the PC give it a look
franco75
16-01-2015, 21:10
Controls well, you made a mistake, you have a wide area reduced to two points
I tried to upload the map so com'? and gave me Error P0340 and just turned on the camera died!!I've rewritten the old map and ? gone!what causes this error? Which address?and which areas are reduced by two points? Thanks
in waiting of your reply I modified this other map (the GOLD found at the beginning of the post) and I have to say that the car goes pretty well...the only thing ? with the old map the tachometer spurting quickly up to the limiter,now it seems like the most? braked and pi? slow in increasing rpm, after 3000 rpm.
Which parameters you need to raise this case and safely?
possible that no one can give me an opinion?these are days that aspect....
msport (exil77grande)
24-01-2015, 12:45
I just analyzed the map named MAP ANT84 LESS TORQUE IN USE, 4 most recent and could also go even if you should replace the original times of an overboost out of driver, and a map of pressure turbo exaggerated,in addition to not having the most problems of slippage of the clutch to redo all the injection map for how they are made now and them starting from 1500 rpm instead of 1000,also I'll give you a tip if you want someone I can lose 5 minutes to give an opinion you have to talk about one thing at a time so if you open a post asking for an opinion on a map which had been made and how to resolve for do not slip the clutch, and then in the meantime, ask if the dpf off okay,then places a map made by you which does not turn on the car and ask someone to see,then he places another then instead of interest of the map seem more interested in the dpf off then I say immediately that difficult to have opinions because people annoys and then focus in on one thing, I would do the following:
I have not seen the first map that you made, and I don't remember if it was the dpf off, but if there is the dpf-egr off copy the increments of this last map posted by you, starting with the injection maps from 1500 rpm and you are affixed,and then slowly it goes on but one thing at a time.
I just analyzed the map named MAP ANT84 LESS TORQUE IN USE, 4 most recent and could also go even if you should replace the original times of an overboost out of driver, and a map of pressure turbo exaggerated,in addition to not having the most problems of slippage of the clutch to redo all the injection map for how they are made now and them starting from 1500 rpm instead of 1000,also I'll give you a tip if you want someone I can lose 5 minutes to give an opinion you have to talk about one thing at a time so if you open a post asking for an opinion on a map which had been made and how to resolve for do not slip the clutch, and then in the meantime, ask if the dpf off okay,then places a map made by you which does not turn on the car and ask someone to see,then he places another then instead of interest of the map seem more interested in the dpf off then I say immediately that difficult to have opinions because people annoys and then focus in on one thing, I would do the following:
I have not seen the first map that you made, and I don't remember if it was the dpf off, but if there is the dpf-egr off copy the increments of this last map posted by you, starting with the injection maps from 1500 rpm and you are affixed,and then slowly it goes on but one thing at a time.
first of thanks...you're right that I made a p? casino and, in fact, I would like to dwell only on this map and try to improve it...
about the maps injection do you mean the "injection times" reported on ecm titanium?And the fact of starting from 1500 rpm and then increases going well for you ?they are in complete safety and can even increase them or I will stop cos??
about the timing of an overboost which address you are referring to cos? them carry over the original?I don't know what are the out driver.
then about the turbo I have increased all of 110 points, and the limiter 130 and I have read everywhere that you arrive safely at 150 points in the pi? throughout yet...so how can you tell me that the turbo pressure ? exaggerated?just to understand...
grazieeeeeee
msport (exil77grande)
24-01-2015, 14:33
then it maps the time of injection and enrichment and acceleration, and the torque limiters fouls starting not before 1500 rpm,as increases in injection times it's okay not to go over,then if you can go outside of the driver in 2d jumping from one change to another, you will find a map time of an overboost and a pressure turbo that are not part of the driver, and are the ones that you have to replace the unit.
then it maps the time of injection and enrichment and acceleration, and the torque limiters fouls starting not before 1500 rpm,as increases in injection times it's okay not to go over,then if you can go outside of the driver in 2d jumping from one change to another, you will find a map time of an overboost and a pressure turbo that are not part of the driver, and are the ones that you have to replace the unit.
very well..
I have attached two photos taken on ecm titanium..
these are the times of an overboost (1DF23E to 1DF3B8) and the pressure turbo (1E1592 to 1E15B0 )report to ORI?I hope so..
in addition to the address 1E0F26 then what is?
thanks a lot
ps.therefore, inherent to the turbo pressure goes well, I will leave as 110 points increase on the whole as well as 130 points on the limiter ?
the problem of the turbo exaggerated ? linked to an overboost and to map out the driver that you told me?bringing you the Gold I do not have more? pressure turbo exaggerated?
msport (exil77grande)
24-01-2015, 16:49
very well..
I have attached two photos taken on ecm titanium..
these are the times of an overboost (1DF23E to 1DF3B8) and the pressure turbo (1E1592 to 1E15B0 )report to ORI?I hope so..
in addition to the address 1E0F26 then what is?
thanks a lot
ps.therefore, inherent to the turbo pressure goes well, I will leave as 110 points increase on the whole as well as 130 points on the limiter ?
the problem of the turbo exaggerated ? linked to an overboost and to map out the driver that you told me?bringing you the Gold I do not have more? pressure turbo exaggerated?
exact you have to replace the original 1DF23E to 1DF3B8 and 1E0EE8 to 1E10E6,for the rest of the increments from you data on the turbo you can leave like that.
exact you have to replace the original 1DF23E to 1DF3B8 and 1E0EE8 to 1E10E6,for the rest of the increments from you data on the turbo you can leave like that.
grazieeeeeee
as you said you do? all things and related improvements step-by-step...
now, beginning with those suggeritemi from you..then I try the machine and then if there are interventions that allow room for improvement ,proceder?!!!
ps.for? about the map from 1E1592 to 1E15B0 what should I do?I increased the cos? com'??and what? just to begin to understand it better?
msport (exil77grande)
24-01-2015, 17:08
the map from 1E1592 to 1E15B0 you can leave it as it is.
so..I brought the maps suggeritemi MOD it to GOLD and now I have to ask you a question I hope is constructive for all of you..
but in addition to the torque from the turbo pressure affects the clutch slip?
then having brought some of the values to the GOLDS of the turbo are more? quiet, in fact slip?
also, if cos? it was,so I can raise a p? the couple in general in the various reference map, since it compensates for the lowering of blood pressure or turbo ? better no ?
ps.I wish to emphasize that this ? the first site in which I found constructive suggestions and helpful unlike other sites of mappings in which think only of profit.Every time you publish a map and I all say that it sucks,which destroys the machine, etc, etc, and then propose to you in private a this chart will show cost(said to them)...I Think that on these sites if you publish a map with a ferrari engineer would say, however, that sucks!!!For this I want to do to all of you my congratulations for having given to this site, the true meaning of a forum, allowing all fans of tuning to be able to learn new things and constructive !!QUOTEOFTHEDAY
msport (exil77grande)
26-01-2015, 17:43
so..I brought the maps suggeritemi MOD it to GOLD and now I have to ask you a question I hope is constructive for all of you..
but in addition to the torque from the turbo pressure affects the clutch slip?
then having brought some of the values to the GOLDS of the turbo are more? quiet, in fact slip?
also, if cos? it was,so I can raise a p? the couple in general in the various reference map, since it compensates for the lowering of blood pressure or turbo ? better no ?
ps.I wish to emphasize that this ? the first site in which I found constructive suggestions and helpful unlike other sites of mappings in which think only of profit.Every time you publish a map and I all say that it sucks,which destroys the machine, etc, etc, and then propose to you in private a this chart will show cost(said to them)...I Think that on these sites if you publish a map with a ferrari engineer would say, however, that sucks!!!For this I want to do to all of you my congratulations for having given to this site, the true meaning of a forum, allowing all fans of tuning to be able to learn new things and constructive !!QUOTEOFTHEDAY
off topic
this forum was born from 2-goers elderly well-known in that forum to which you are referring to, and was born with the sole purpose of creating a virtual place for the true enthusiasts with the rules designed a table to do exactly the opposite of what is happening to them,have you ever wondered why the private messages have been deleted?
every so closed off the topic,as far as the turbo pressure does not affect the slip of the clutch, so if I told you to do certain things on the maps and injection, because it is them that is the problem,as regards the timing of an overboost out of the driver and the pressure turbo out of the driver I told you to put them back on gold because it was not salutivo for the turbine,this said and done, what's left for you is to try the map,good fun.
Hello, I peeked also am your map and I hope not to say the wrong things but to be able to give a hand to the best of my knowledge. It seems to me that you have also increased a limiter iq, but as you worked on the injection time, I think that you could not change the map. The map pressure turbo exaggerated referred msport, it could be a map turbo in special conditions? I think he was referring to the one with increments of approximately 0.3 bar.
Hello, I peeked also am your map and I hope not to say the wrong things but to be able to give a hand to the best of my knowledge. It seems to me that you have also increased a limiter iq, but as you worked on the injection time, I think that you could not change the map. The map pressure turbo exaggerated referred msport, it could be a map turbo in special conditions? I think he was referring to the one with increments of approximately 0.3 bar.
about the limiter IQ which address are you referring to?
about the turbo I don't understand what you mean "in the special conditions"...I have brought ori maps suggeritemi good msport and nothing else...
in fact, now it is only increased by the turbo pressure of the whole of 110 points (use ECM titanium)and the limiter pressure turbo and the limiter turbo pressure f to 130 points..and I take the opportunity to ask if you can? leave cos? or take for example the pressure to 120 and limiters 140...okay the logic?
I've read that you can? also lead to 150 points...I don't know!!!!which would you suggest?
then I read that not having the DPF you should also change the threshold lambda top and bottom to have more? readiness...? true?if it's so? how could you make the increments of this map?
grazieeee
franco75
27-01-2015, 11:43
you have to go on the maps limiter fumosit? and you should be lowered
you have to go on the maps limiter fumosit? and you should be lowered
But on ECM titanium are not the ones that I mentioned above? The Cio? limiter lambda upper and lower?
Also you said that I have to be lowered.. But according to what criteria, and how? ? needed this change for the purposes of the readiness and safety of the engine? Thanks
Forgot.. And about the turbo pressure can increase to 120 points and limiters 140?
about the limiter IQ which address are you referring to?
about the turbo I don't understand what you mean "in the special conditions"...I have brought ori maps suggeritemi good msport and nothing else...
in fact, now it is only increased by the turbo pressure of the whole of 110 points (use ECM titanium)and the limiter pressure turbo and the limiter turbo pressure f to 130 points..and I take the opportunity to ask if you can? leave cos? or take for example the pressure to 120 and limiters 140...okay the logic?
I've read that you can? also lead to 150 points...I don't know!!!!which would you suggest?
then I read that not having the DPF you should also change the threshold lambda top and bottom to have more? readiness...? true?if it's so? how could you make the increments of this map?
grazieeee
Hello, the map turbo to which I was referring ? the one that goes from the address 1E0EE8 to 1E10E6, maybe wrong ? not ? even a map turbo for? in some points ? increased about 350 points, about 0.3 bar, provided that I have not misunderstood the map and in this case I would be curious to know to what it refers. I was saying in the special conditions why? if I've understood me ? a map turbo the peak pi? high ? at about 1.3 bar, and maybe it works only in recovery.
The limiter IQ to which I am referring ? the one that starts at the address 1CF3EC but also here is the speech of the first, I might have misunderstood me.
Also gi? who we are, what is referred to as the map starts to 1DF1BA? It seems to me that indexes are RPMxIQ but I can not understand the values of what they could be referring to.
PS The map that I've taken into consideration ? the named MAP ANT84 LESS TORQUE 4 LAST, that it seemed to me the most recent posted.
Hello
Hello, the map turbo to which I was referring ? the one that goes from the address 1E0EE8 to 1E10E6, maybe wrong ? not ? even a map turbo for? in some points ? increased about 350 points, about 0.3 bar, provided that I have not misunderstood the map and in this case I would be curious to know to what it refers. I was saying in the special conditions why? if I've understood me ? a map turbo the peak pi? high ? at about 1.3 bar, and maybe it works only in recovery.
The limiter IQ to which I am referring ? the one that starts at the address 1CF3EC but also here is the speech of the first, I might have misunderstood me.
Also gi? who we are, what is referred to as the map starts to 1DF1BA? It seems to me that indexes are RPMxIQ but I can not understand the values of what they could be referring to.
PS The map that I've taken into consideration ? the named MAP ANT84 LESS TORQUE 4 LAST, that it seemed to me the most recent posted.
Hello
We await the responses of the pi? experts in regard to your questions...I the map I modified it on the basis of a map that I had made a trainer!
However, the afternoon, I loaded the map, bringing ori maps suggeritemi by msport and I was raised just short of the torque limiter, but unfortunately it continues from the third onwards to slip slightly between 2200 and 3000 rpm! What to do???
franco75
27-01-2015, 22:02
But on ECM titanium are not the ones that I mentioned above? The Cio? limiter lambda upper and lower?
Also you said that I have to be lowered.. But according to what criteria, and how? ? needed this change for the purposes of the readiness and safety of the engine? Thanks
You are the ones lambda upper and lower.
The map ? rpm - q.t? air and limits the stoichiometric ratio, if you slide the clutch not the toccherei but the lose of the original seen that the highs are incrementatee you could limit the diesel
We await the responses of the pi? experts in regard to your questions...I the map I modified it on the basis of a map that I had made a trainer!
However, the afternoon, I loaded the map, bringing ori maps suggeritemi by msport and I was raised just short of the torque limiter, but unfortunately it continues from the third onwards to slip slightly between 2200 and 3000 rpm! What to do???
For the first map that I have written from 1E0EE8 to 1E10E6 you had already? said msport to bring it back to the ori, I had missed the post, so I have already? the answer :-)
It remains for me and I think also to you, the question for the other 2.
For the slippage of the clutch if ? from change we can do little, but in the original you sled? you may decrease a hair injection times by reducing a p? the power delivered by the machine, and perhaps reduce, the hair on the request to the pedal in that range of rpm. The right to try.
For the first map that I have written from 1E0EE8 to 1E10E6 you had already? said msport to bring it back to the ori, I had missed the post, so I have already? the answer :-)
It remains for me and I think also to you, the question for the other 2.
For the slippage of the clutch if ? from change we can do little, but in the original you sled? you may decrease a hair injection times by reducing a p? the power delivered by the machine, and perhaps reduce, the hair on the request to the pedal in that range of rpm. The right to try.
How much should I lower the injection times and the map the pedal to which the nomenclature or address refers to ECM titanium?
PS. With the map ant84 less torque in use, 4 most recent posted above I lowered only the torque limiter, and that it would not slip while now I've raised but little
I've attached the map that I uploaded yesterday with the light increases the torque limiter...I know they are not made well why? the increases are not linear, but in the range between 2000 and 3000 if I raise still slide even more?..what do I do?
down in that range?or are there any other trick to not slip the clutch
among other things, yesterday when I tried, I noticed that slittava not in an excessive way and had given me the impression that at 3000 rpm, you would block this? as if you could go beyond this number of turns, in fact, when I stopped and before I put the second I felt a slight sprinkling of the exchange..probably it was too hot in the clutch??
How much should I lower the injection times and the map the pedal to which the nomenclature or address refers to ECM titanium?
PS. With the map ant84 less torque in use, 4 most recent posted above I lowered only the torque limiter, and that it would not slip while now I've raised but little
I've attached the map that I uploaded yesterday with the light increases the torque limiter...I know they are not made well why? the increases are not linear, but in the range between 2000 and 3000 if I raise still slide even more?..what do I do?
down in that range?or are there any other trick to not slip the clutch
among other things, yesterday when I tried, I noticed that slittava not in an excessive way and had given me the impression that at 3000 rpm, you would block this? as if you could go beyond this number of turns, in fact, when I stopped and before I put the second I felt a slight sprinkling of the exchange..probably it was too hot in the clutch??
Hello, I gave a look at the last map, and to avoid confusion I would like to start from this. I try to give my opinion, and I hope that more and more? experts I critichino to try to understand if I'm helping or hurting:
In order to make changes by browsing the map in 2D
Maps related to the pedal according to me are good, are not at all excessive.
After the previous, there are a number of changes which should be the DPF, but I don't know if they have errors because of too much inexperience on my part
After the control DPF from the address 1CBA82 dino to 1CBC80 c'? a map that you have changed that I can't interpret, personally I'd leave the original
After you have changed the breakpoint of the torque limiter, I am referring to the map on the ramp of the torque limiter. The lose the original.
After c'? the torque limiter, to try to not slip the clutch and try to put it back original to 1250, and from 1500 with an increase in pi? sweet. Consider that if you request almost 5 kgm of torque in the pi? 1500 is probably the slippage starts already? from that point, then ? useless in the successive values require less. We're still talking about a digital management applied to mechanical parts. Personally I would try to do a gradual increase from 5% to 10% from 1500 to 2500rpm and then gradually increase.
After the previous, there are a couple of checks of the dpf, and then c'? the map conversion nm --> iq (quantity? fuel injected). This map get the original given that you're working on the timing of the injection, and then saw that you have embarked on the road to fool the ecu by changing the time not to put too many irons in the fire, as you have the means to proceed to step so you are aware of the various changes.
After we have a map that starts at the address 1CF3EC, this is for me ? a limiter with an IQ that get the original for the same reason that I have written in the previous line. You have already? modified times, I think for a start it is better to start with a parameter, and not with three. I don't know if I can explain it but if you increase the diesel fuel for the times+limiter iq+quantity? fuel injected, you will also have many more? parameters to be checked in case of flaws like the clutch slipping.
After we have the map injection time (tinj) that would leave you cos? how you made it.
Immediately after you mod the map turbo and the limiter, which, according to me you can leave cos' as you made them. Between these two maps, the address 1E1592 c'? a change that I can not understand, can you tell me what it is?
After the turbo there are other controls DPF and maps rai that I would you do so? how you made them.
I hope this information was of help, but I hope above all to be correct if I said the wrong things. My advice ? start a little at a time and slowly refine the map without putting too much meat on the fire. From the little that I was able to learn enough to leave with 3\4 maps to feel a difference, then work sl rest.
First of all, thank you very much! In any case, I made these changes taking into account the suggestions of the great msport and based on a map made by a preparer.I hope not to have them misinterpreted and see if he,an expert in the matter, I say? its about your observations, and then what do I have to or I don't have to change...
PS.msport I brought gold the an overboost and the other the map of the turbo that you told me...the car ? a little less gritty...what do I do in order not to affect the clutch, but to give him more? brio?
sincerely speaking, I know that the only solution for you is to redo the clutch, because those km ? definitely gone, so you run the risk of losing a lot of time to do tests without finding a solution because then the clutch I'm done talking more and more as you evidence, parts of the clutch, and then you can make a good map without overdoing it and have a good result.
sincerely speaking, I know that the only solution for you is to redo the clutch, because those km ? definitely gone, so you run the risk of losing a lot of time to do tests without finding a solution because then the clutch I'm done talking more and more as you evidence, parts of the clutch, and then you can make a good map without overdoing it and have a good result.
Anyway, the clutch slips but not excessively and only if thrust..if accellero gradually does not slide and to goodwill and other situations I don't feel vibrations, etc etc that indicate a clutch is dead! Certainly is not good, but if I can get us another p? ? best! We see that says msport
Good msport I hope you will give me suggestions as soon as possible why? the finesettima do I need to get 500km and would like to stay more? quiet... Thanks
Ance I quote what you said ugoboss, if the clutch is starting to give in not, you should look for a p? brio in pi?, the maximum you can reduce the load below the 3000 and ask for more? above 3000. But when he reaches a certain degree of wear co you can do it a little.
For the sake have you tried to put it back to the original and try it?
Ance I quote what you said ugoboss, if the clutch is starting to give in not, you should look for a p? brio in pi?, the maximum you can reduce the load below the 3000 and ask for more? above 3000. But when he reaches a certain degree of wear co you can do it a little.
For the sake have you tried to put it back to the original and try it?
I have not tried to put the ORI even why? honestly I should upload it without DPF and EGR and I don't know how it can be used only with these parameters.
however, yesterday I tried the machine, and if not lunge completely with the throttle and not slide...
that's why? I'd like to understand if for example I leave, or even down to a p? the torque limiter in the range where the slide and get up, for example, the turbo pressure by 110 points to 115/120 points obviously to increase from 130 to be 135-140 the limiter turbo I would have a p? brio in pi? but without affect on the couple, and then on the slip..
I hope I was clear!
msport (exil77grande)
30-01-2015, 16:33
as for me, I tried to give you the best advice based on the problem of the clutch and the turbo pressure too high and I see no other corrections to make if you do not have to lift a hair after 2500 rpm, and not before,there is no other solution if you slide the clutch,maybe now, if as you say the slide slightly, you just have to be careful to give the accelerator gently and not lunge or if you're at a low speed climbing gear,what you want translated, means the barrel full and the wife drunk and can not go,you can turn up the turbo pressure and relative limiter as you wrote it without problems is not the one that mainly affects the slittamente of the clutch and at the same time from a pile of panache into the most while the torque limiter leave it as I told you at the beginning, or as you wrote in your last response, because if improvements do not make the situation worse.
OK thanks! Then leave you? the couple so com'? and alzer? the turbo pressure of 110 points in 120... With these values ? anyway, in the safety of the turbine? I have seen that c'? the people that actually increases up to 180 points! The limiter turbo goes step by step and, of course, by 130 points to the port at 140 right? One thing that I do not ? very clear ? the limiter.. I understood that it should be increased more? compared to the turbo pressure, but if for example, I put exactly 120 points in pi? the turbo pressure of the limiter is to be good to 140 points?what are the differences if I put more? or less?
msport (exil77grande)
30-01-2015, 17:45
the values of the pressure turbo in the whole security for the rest of your questions is simple enough to interpret the real values of both of the clamps that of the limiter and you know how to adjust them however you not to complicate your life proceed as mentioned.
Thanks always helpful :-)
I tested the camera on these days, and it seems to go well ...of course the speed up should be subtle enough but not too much and the clutch plate does not slide.I think I could also for the original machines would be better not to crush completely the throttle when you are at low speeds.
The only thing, but I think it's obvious ? that the first was much more? ready and powerful, but the answer I think I know how to but I prefer to give more? life of the mechanical parts at the expense of the fun!
Guys I reconnect to my discussion. So.. when I loaded the map, doing more ritocchini, I have not had any problems.. The clutch slips slightly only when thrust in an exaggerated fashion and then are so pleased. Now I've read discordant opinions about the rail pressure and the respective limiter.Some say that it is useless to increase it others. The current state is increased all of 3.9%, and the limiter everything to 7.1%. Up to how much I can push? If you increase the rail pressure to 5%, okay? And in terms of performance benefits I would have? Thanks
Guys I reconnect to my discussion. So.. when I loaded the map, doing more ritocchini, I have not had any problems.. The clutch slips slightly only when thrust in an exaggerated fashion and then are so pleased. Now I've read discordant opinions about the rail pressure and the respective limiter.Some say that it is useless to increase it others. The current state is increased all of 3.9%, and the limiter everything to 7.1%. Up to how much I can push? If you increase the rail pressure to 5%, okay? And in terms of performance benefits I would have? Thanks
I have not seen none of your files.. but, I will say that some of the maps do not vain modate in % but points type pressure Turbo & Rail..
if you give a 5% to a value of 1550 what comes out? 1627,5.. not you first say I want tot Bar?
It's true... But the fact of the increase in % the rail pressure is due to the fact that I found it increased by those who had made the map, and then I thought it was correct as well. In the maps posted in the previous pages, I think we can ascertain
I have not seen none of your files.. but, I will say that some of the maps do not vain modate in % but points type pressure Turbo & Rail..
if you give a 5% to a value of 1550 what comes out? 1627,5.. not you first say I want tot Bar?
Yes, however, if I give you 100 points of increase to a value of 400 is 25%, if the 100 points I give them about 1500 are a little less than 7%. For me on the rail in the last quarter of the table in the lower right should be good to give a 5% and nothing happens.
Yes, however, if I give you 100 points of increase to a value of 400 is 25%, if the 100 points I give them about 1500 are a little less than 7%. For me on the rail in the last quarter of the table in the lower right should be good to give a 5% and nothing happens.
In the table of the rail, in fact, me who had made the map, had increased all of 3.9%. Now if I want to lift up the values I could not carry the whole at 4.5% for example? Or as you say, only in the last quarter? And in this case exactly to what you refer? If you post a picture for me it would be more clear. Thanks a lot
Yes, however, if I give you 100 points of increase to a value of 400 is 25%, if the 100 points I give them about 1500 are a little less than 7%. For me on the rail in the last quarter of the table in the lower right should be good to give a 5% and nothing happens.
Have you turned the discourse to your pleasure.. I wanted to give you the increase that you want and need to reach not spread % on the map
If, for you, and the right way to go ahead as you like, I am not sure I have to convince you of the contrary..
Have you turned the discourse to your pleasure.. I wanted to give you the increase that you want and need to reach not spread % on the map
If, for you, and the right way to go ahead as you like, I am not sure I have to convince you of the contrary..
Why not post an image in a table or 2d to understand how would you do the increases? Anyway, I saw many examples of maps, and the rail has been increased as a % over the entire table but no one says that you could be right thou...I would only do the right thing!
I don't want to influence anyone, and I would add that the rail and the last map to be considered,
In addition, the Achilles heel of these machines and the rail and the clutch then does not increase more than the map final how would you have advised not to have blocks etc
5% on the 1600 is not nothing but them holds up I'm the comon rail 1680 BAR?
I don't want to influence anyone, and I would add that the rail and the last map to be considered,
In addition, the Achilles heel of these machines and the rail and the clutch then does not increase more than the map final how would you have advised not to have blocks etc
5% on the 1600 is not nothing but them holds up I'm the comon rail 1680 BAR?
In fact, I'm here to ask for advice and understand what to do and not to do... If you post a picture on how would the rail would appreciate and understand better how to act according to your point of view
Thanks
Good morning. I was wondering about the variations of maps because it is to low the machine is very slow lately. .I saw with Fes parameters, and Although I was told that the values of the mass air flow sensor would seem to be in normal, I unplugged the connector and tried the machine on the road. The machine goes the same with and without the mass air flow sensor with hesitation at low revs. You say that at this point both the mass air flow sensor went? The car has 200000km and on the date of production of the mass air flow sensor, there is written, 2005 which is the year of registration of my car
Good morning. I was wondering about the variations of maps because it is to low the machine is very slow lately. .I saw with Fes parameters, and Although I was told that the values of the mass air flow sensor would seem to be in normal, I unplugged the connector and tried the machine on the road. The machine goes the same with and without the mass air flow sensor with hesitation at low revs. You say that at this point both the mass air flow sensor went? The car has 200000km and on the date of production of the mass air flow sensor, there is written, 2005 which is the year of registration of my car
With 200,000 miles, if you have all golds would look at first of all the egr and inlet manifold which surely are to clean. Normally they are clogged, and then also with a map that is not what I have is very
With 200,000 miles, if you have all golds would look at first of all the egr and inlet manifold which surely are to clean. Normally they are clogged, and then also with a map that is not what I have is very
Egr excluding electrically and is also flanged. Dpf removed with straight pipe then they are not the problem 100%, or at least I think. That's why seeing the symptoms I think it is the mass air flow sensor
Egr excluding electrically and is also flanged. Dpf removed with straight pipe then they are not the problem 100%, or at least I think. That's why seeing the symptoms I think it is the mass air flow sensor
You throw it there. If the dpf you out of the sw and not in the hand, it can be that you have some failure that diagnosis you don't see because you have the dtc cleared.
You throw it there. If the dpf you out of the sw and not in the hand, it can be that you have some failure that diagnosis you don't see because you have the dtc cleared.
But it is more than a year that I deleted the dpf and before I had these problems now are just to low... the high is good!then when I disconnected the outlet of the mass air flow sensor and the display, I marked the engine failure so I believe the dtc is working. Then with the Edf I found in the historical error and the I have reset. Anyway in short, I replace the valve pierburg depression turbine, and even if it were not evil, not the ago. I prefer to slowly replace all of these components to return to the better performance of the machine
I Errecinque... a nice cleaned up the intake manifold (maybe including the elimination swirl) often does wonders...
I Errecinque... a nice cleaned up the intake manifold (maybe including the elimination swirl) often does wonders...
But cleaning up the intake manifold with those specific products might be a good solution? The swirl have been locked open.
As for me, I would never use those spray products... I know of someone who has exaggerated and made a nice hole in a piston... if possible always best to remove the manifold and do a good manual cleaning and in-depth
As for me, I would never use those spray products... I know of someone who has exaggerated and made a nice hole in a piston... if possible always best to remove the manifold and do a good manual cleaning and in-depth
However, there are conflicting opinions. Some have said that they benefited a charity. Obvious that you must not overdo it. In any case, I'd get the one specific to the liqui moly that is a brand name great
You have never removed a manifold is clogged by the sludge of oil vapours recirculation and egr...?
I assure you that one spray is not enough!!!!
You have never removed a manifold is clogged by the sludge of oil vapours recirculation and egr...?
I assure you that one spray is not enough!!!!
I'd like to do it but I've read that is too long and complicated for the fact that you must also act on the distribution.I speak of the alfa 159.
Then, if you have a simple guide and which prevents disassembly of the distribution, we would appreciate it...
Distribution...?????!!!!! I had a 159 jtdm 150cv and I do not know.
Distribution...?????!!!!! I had a 159 jtdm 150cv and I do not know.
it is, instead, unfortunately
no need to disassemble the distribution, to the limit of the high pressure pump, and in that case, the distribution remains in place, is a task that needs to do an expert is not an operation to be "bar" certain jobs do not improvise, it can create more damages than benefits.
no need to disassemble the distribution, to the limit of the high pressure pump, and in that case, the distribution remains in place, is a task that needs to do an expert is not an operation to be "bar" certain jobs do not improvise, it can create more damages than benefits.
You're absolutely right. For this I would like to do a clean with the product. Definitely not the same thing that removing the manifold, but a minimum of cleaning will do. The fact that the product passerâ first from the turbine, I believe that will only do good because that has never been cleaned.
Anyway, this morning I did the cleaning with the product of liqui moly. I stopped in mid-spray because it did not come out for nothing black smoke although I don't have the dpf replaced with a straight pipe. What does this mean? That the manifold was not so dirty?
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