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Errecinque
11-12-2014, 22:15
I have tried to transfer the knowledge learned on the forum of this, "blessed " ecu marelli. I think I've hit on all the limiters out of the driver but I'm not sure to be able to interpret in the correct direction, the reading of the various maps and correct increases from the right for a map that is not too thrust (and series) . To you the word thanks
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/member.php?u=16982
Errecinque
11-12-2014, 22:16
Sorry I was wrong the link of the file ori
https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/corsa-vt296-post105228.html#post105228
Exelion1986
15-12-2014, 10:13
if I can happy to help you out for? do not take for liquid gold to what I say
I rely on what I understood, and my (limited experience), then you may also overlook a couple of discourses
then let's go in order of address
well the egr
the first limiter have increased all of, what? also a little more? 1000 rpm
personally I would like to begin by the second bp (1190) gradually, and then I would give an increase in percentage rather than fixed (for example, 15-20%)
ah this map has the x-axis inverted
on advances I still have to do the tests, then I don't know exactly
this also has the x-axis reversed, in fact, have increased at medium-low iq
the injection times are correct, according to miles, the wear on the engine in general I would say that at the top smokes a p?
the only thing, but ? a personal opinion, I prefer to go to percentages rather than quantity? fixed, perhaps by giving increments to the pyramid in order to have more? only where I need it (not ? said that is correct, but I am fine cos?)
I see a bit that should be for the rail pressure, but in the other discussion honestly I still don't understand if ? only one or two (and this in the case ? the second)
the other two limiters also with the x-axis inverted
the same speech before, I would give it a percentage, and not less than 1250 rpm, with a minimum of gradualit?
the lambda I never touch sincerely, even why? if you tap on the injection time, the ecu should not notice that fact? is entering the pi? diesel
however, in the case approfondirei a moment calculations rather than traslarle brutally at the top
another bit of the rail to the correct
limiter rail pressure turbo, the value of the fact ? beyond the demand of the pressure, but maybe I would have given a little more?
rail pressure, as an increase in the maximum we, for? at intermediate values, no one forbids you to go over (remember, in the case of a review of the limiters)
limiter rail pressure for water temperature, why? have you changed the axis but not the map?
limiter rail pressure temperature fuel ok
maps pedal honestly, I did not understood exactly how to touch them, I think it will go a p? also the taste, but the increases seem to me to be a p? excessive
limiter torque for water temperature, the same speech, parts from rpm pi? high, and in this case, however, the increase seems to me a little
4 torque limiters usual speech, these have the x-axis in the right direction
it lacks the torque limiter temperature diesel (just after the 4 limiters, which I have just spoken)
to 064C4A missing the limiter minimum iq (zoom in and why? ? very low)
from what I understand if you raise the rail you have to adjust this because? go to work in an area where the quantity? minimum ? zero
Errecinque
15-12-2014, 23:24
if I can happy to help you out for? do not take for liquid gold to what I say
I rely on what I understood, and my (limited experience), then you may also overlook a couple of discourses
then let's go in order of address
well the egr
the first limiter have increased all of, what? also a little more? 1000 rpm
personally I would like to begin by the second bp (1190) gradually, and then I would give an increase in percentage rather than fixed (for example, 15-20%)
ah this map has the x-axis inverted
on advances I still have to do the tests, then I don't know exactly
this also has the x-axis reversed, in fact, have increased at medium-low iq
the injection times are correct, according to miles, the wear on the engine in general I would say that at the top smokes a p?
the only thing, but ? a personal opinion, I prefer to go to percentages rather than quantity? fixed, perhaps by giving increments to the pyramid in order to have more? only where I need it (not ? said that is correct, but I am fine cos?)
I see a bit that should be for the rail pressure, but in the other discussion honestly I still don't understand if ? only one or two (and this in the case ? the second)
the other two limiters also with the x-axis inverted
the same speech before, I would give it a percentage, and not less than 1250 rpm, with a minimum of gradualit?
the lambda I never touch sincerely, even why? if you tap on the injection time, the ecu should not notice that fact? is entering the pi? diesel
however, in the case approfondirei a moment calculations rather than traslarle brutally at the top
another bit of the rail to the correct
limiter rail pressure turbo, the value of the fact ? beyond the demand of the pressure, but maybe I would have given a little more?
rail pressure, as an increase in the maximum we, for? at intermediate values, no one forbids you to go over (remember, in the case of a review of the limiters)
limiter rail pressure for water temperature, why? have you changed the axis but not the map?
limiter rail pressure temperature fuel ok
maps pedal honestly, I did not understood exactly how to touch them, I think it will go a p? also the taste, but the increases seem to me to be a p? excessive
limiter torque for water temperature, the same speech, parts from rpm pi? high, and in this case, however, the increase seems to me a little
4 torque limiters usual speech, these have the x-axis in the right direction
it lacks the torque limiter temperature diesel (just after the 4 limiters, which I have just spoken)
to 064C4A missing the limiter minimum iq (zoom in and why? ? very low)
from what I understand if you raise the rail you have to adjust this because? go to work in an area where the quantity? minimum ? zero
First of all, thanks for having dedicated a p? your time to analyze my files.
Then the first lim. You say that it should be read from right to left and then started to increase from the second bp starting from the right. In essence, the max value I can 4688 rpm right? I changed
Advances....changed the meaning of mod, and calculated.
Tomorrow, I finish again, and the place
Thanks again
Errecinque
16-12-2014, 18:46
Continue editing the file:
After advances other 2 limiters latest, starting from 2 BP from the RIGHT
The lambda that I didn't know this ecu were already? moddate in the file that is read by the car and then I leave it so?. Remittances ori
Limiter rail fboost I was wrong on the calculation raised to 215 (1514 BAR)
The Rail f(h20) who had moddato above the map rail (130 fixed on the whole map) was raised to 130 the break after the last curve: reported ori
To intuition, this map does not need to touch it right ? the values indicate a prex rail low for low temp water up to 75% pedal true?
Maps The Pedal ?? also these are to be read reversed on the X-axis ? in the first max torque at 2750 rpm? and why? that bounce in the last 2 curves ?
Limiter torque for water temperature....it was already? moddata cos? ... I do not understand the BP factors conv ? The y-axis goes from 3750 to 18750 0 why? ? As is to be read?Not changed for now
The last 4 limiters updated with the addition of the fourth
I saw the last map to 064C4A but I don't know how to raise it...
I attach a file up to date
Exelion1986
20-12-2014, 13:33
in order to address
the first limiter attention, you started again from the first bp
as an idea for? we
advance I think we can be the change cos?, for? personally I have not tested yet
the other two limiters would give the same percentage increase than the one before, maybe on the second bp 10% and then 20%
limiter rail to t the water I know that I made the casino and at the moment I don't have the conversion factor right
the only thing I am sure of ? the axis of the temperatures? in fact they are low, probably as you say, you do not need to touch it
the foot pedal ? still excessive, the x-axis ? in the right direction, for the shape that I could not tell you, according to me, the marelli drugs
in any case, the maximum torque required ? 1750
torque limiter for t the water when the edit is the same argument as before, the spins are in the clear ? strange that steps away from 3750 to 18000 for? I have seen them all done so?
the 0 is pi? part of the bp but bens? the map itself
4 limiters in series you started too soon, the second bp was only for the other, you always have to watch what c'? on the axes, you in fact started to increase to 800 to 900 rpm
the limiter for t diesel personally I would prefer to increases in %
map 064C4A:
size 16x1
x = value * 2 - 100 = p rail Bar
z = value * 0,002941 = mm3 minimum
simply raises the same value as the last two bits are set to 0
system these two things and then test it on the road
Errecinque
21-12-2014, 17:57
Ok I would say that reviewing pi? times the map I should be. For? I'm at the point I put ori the map 10x16 torque limiter #2 as it is called in the ecm as the axes indicate or low temperatures or very high. should be a map of torque during the engine warming, therefore, should not serve to change it if you don't have starting problems.
Hello
dariuccio
21-12-2014, 19:31
by changing the map, the machine changes also hot
Errecinque
21-12-2014, 20:33
by changing the map, the machine changes also hot
For? the bp indicate the temp up to 10 ?C, and the last of more than 100?C. you Say that leaving the golds I go to cut the increases given to other limiters?
dariuccio
21-12-2014, 22:38
I think of you, I still don't understand myself how it should be interpreted, but from the tests I did the map in general ? influenced a lot from this map.
Errecinque
21-12-2014, 22:46
I think of you, I still don't understand myself how it should be interpreted, but from the tests I did the map in general ? influenced a lot from this map.
Then I confirm that the same mapping with or without this map mod you feel the difference?? . But it should be increased on all the curves??
dariuccio
21-12-2014, 22:51
I say that with this map left ori the machine should not be as it should, I can do as an afr, multiply the higher value in the table for 0,001302.....
what do you think?
I tried to moddare the two-bit rail and the machine goes into recovery
Ela.Toretto
21-12-2014, 23:09
dariuccio
21-12-2014, 23:13
I sincerely do not know what 06AC4A and I don't even know to what it refers, and the value ? 0
Ela.Toretto
21-12-2014, 23:20
dariuccio
21-12-2014, 23:27
really? the bits 0 are the first two and the last two, I had already? but I don't understand what's the use, you have to raise even the first two or only the last?
Ela.Toretto
21-12-2014, 23:41
I think the last two... however, expect confirmations ;) I am from a few weeks to hunt for the bits that just overtakes 1480 bar I turn off the car... that depends also from these two zeros? haha ;)
Errecinque
22-12-2014, 07:46
If you look at the axis of the Break see that the penultimate corresponding to 1500 bar, we have 0..so it might be..
Ela.Toretto
22-12-2014, 08:03
dariuccio
22-12-2014, 09:45
therefore, in addition to the 2-bit value 775 we must also increase 064C4A?
Ela.Toretto
22-12-2014, 13:58
2 775? I the second I still don't know where it is.. ;)
Errecinque
22-12-2014, 14:31
2 775? I the second I still don't know where it is.. ;)
I confirm that they are 2 what you don't know should be 0653c2
dariuccio
22-12-2014, 14:46
have you tried the map? how's it going?
Exelion1986
22-12-2014, 15:57
the map to the 064C4A indicates the minimum iq, in the other discussion said you can touch it if you raise the rail, but if you tell me that the 90 hp ? made cos? you probably don't need
the torque limiter t water ? true that bp only at low temperatures or high, but in the intermediate zone (which is where he works, the motor), the value is interpolated
the cio? even if they are not present in the bp for 80 and 90 ? this is not to say that in that range the map ? inactive
at this point I would say to fix this limiter and begin the test on the road
Ela.Toretto
22-12-2014, 17:34
From the tests made some time ago, I noticed that by changing the limiter in function of temp. the liquid (with a diagnosis in hand ;) ) the value of the diesel required was changing... almost makes up for the quantity? diesel fuel required by the engine (in fact moddando this map fumosit? increases, and a lot,;) ) address bit and now try to tovarlo ;)
dariuccio
22-12-2014, 17:35
the map to the 064C4A indicates the minimum iq, in the other discussion said you can touch it if you raise the rail, but if you tell me that the 90 hp ? made cos? you probably don't need
the torque limiter t water ? true that bp only at low temperatures or high, but in the intermediate zone (which is where he works, the motor), the value is interpolated
the cio? even if they are not present in the bp for 80 and 90 ? this is not to say that in that range the map ? inactive
at this point I would say to fix this limiter and begin the test on the road
According to you, then that break 18750 that means? this map could be an enrichment and acceleration?
Ela.Toretto
22-12-2014, 18:10
Then I went to check the bit suggeritomi a moment ago... well in the 75hp has a value of 786 ( a difference of 69, which has a value of 775 as you rightly you say ;) ) and the same value of the 90hp ;)
dariuccio
24-12-2014, 12:28
I have a question to ask you: how do you say that the maps 068006 and 068266 are limiters rail? in the z-axis, it seems to me that there are the pressures of the
rail
Errecinque
24-12-2014, 23:39
I have a question to ask you: how do you say that the maps 068006 and 068266 are limiters rail? in the z-axis, it seems to me that there are the pressures of the
rail
If I'm not mistaken those are the maps lambda....
Ela.Toretto
25-12-2014, 09:54
I agree with R5, (a little OT erre have you ever thought of leaving Renault to switch to the yamaha? cos? passeresti from R5 to R6 or to R1 ;) hahaha joke of course ) for me are the lambda...
dariuccio
25-12-2014, 10:40
try to moddare and does not change anything, not even the fumosit?, for me, they are 068006 something like turbo pressure goal (the recovery ? place to 1.78) and
068266 something related to the air mass sucked in function of the prex
Errecinque
25-12-2014, 11:58
I agree with R5, (a little OT erre have you ever thought of leaving Renault to switch to the yamaha? cos? passeresti from R5 to R6 or to R1 ;) hahaha joke of course ) for me are the lambda...
Continuous and close OT : The
Errecinque
25-12-2014, 12:00
The egr R5 continues to rest in the garage.....from road bikes from enduro...is coming to the new BETA 250 FACTORY after 5 KTM. W ITALY
Ela.Toretto
26-12-2014, 08:43
Exelion1986
26-12-2014, 09:28
the maps 68006 and 68266 should be up to the lambda
in theory, that important ? the second (which is referred to as lambda for high iq)
in x we have the mass air intake in mg, y, tours, and z, with a conversion factor 0,001302 we have the air/fuel ratio
if we want to increase the diesel fuel, the value of z should be decreased
I have not yet tried to touch these, as soon as my friend who makes me be a guinea pig have time I'll also try with a diagnosis
dariuccio
26-12-2014, 10:37
the map 68226 taking the higher value of the z-axis, we have, in 1781, which, when multiplied by 0,001302 ago 2,31, to me it appears to be nothing an afr.
what? the conversion factor of the mass air flow (1781)? it seems to me a turbo pressure. could be maps of the voltage of the map and maf?
but how could you convert the values of the z-axis?
Toretto map lambda would like to say that immediately after the maps from the pedal? I have given up to a 15% and 20% to the high, and the smoke ? acceptable but still not
I've understood well
Ela.Toretto
26-12-2014, 11:47
the maps 68006 and 68266 should be up to the lambda
in theory, that important ? the second (which is referred to as lambda for high iq)
in x we have the mass air intake in mg, y, tours, and z, with a conversion factor 0,001302 we have the air/fuel ratio
if we want to increase the diesel fuel, the value of z should be decreased
I have not yet tried to touch these, as soon as my friend who makes me be a guinea pig have time I'll also try with a diagnosis
Ela.Toretto
26-12-2014, 11:52
the map 68226 taking the higher value of the z-axis, we have, in 1781, which, when multiplied by 0,001302 ago 2,31, to me it appears to be nothing an afr.
what? the conversion factor of the mass air flow (1781)? it seems to me a turbo pressure. could be maps of the voltage of the map and maf?
but how could you convert the values of the z-axis?
Toretto map lambda would like to say that immediately after the maps from the pedal? I have given up to a 15% and 20% to the high, and the smoke ? acceptable but still not
I've understood well
No Dariuccio I am not referring to the torque limiter in f. the temp. of the liquid (the one immediately after the pedal, that ahim? even I have well understood how to work, how much ? as a function of temperature "strange"? as I said pi? on to me ? a map is essential to give more? diesel without necessarily getting to the injection time).... but the maps that you're talking about (68006 and 68226 ),
dariuccio
26-12-2014, 22:27
you look at these maps on file of a point 70cv? the curves from the side of the break have higher values
Ela.Toretto
26-12-2014, 22:43
yes, I noticed but in marelli, if they were to rebus instead of the control units made of money... I do not know why this difference.. the only hypothesis that I is ? that being devoid of the lambda probe is ref? to some other parameter ? then ? different.... then boh!!
Ela.Toretto
26-12-2014, 22:45
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 12:44
but even in the race has the lambda probe. I try to moddare but the differences are not known
Ela.Toretto
27-12-2014, 13:45
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 15:18
But goddammit those of the marelli....I flashed a map mod including the one that had to be the switch the egr off. Result?? Machine will not start, I put back ori this switch and the machine part. Then I take AES EGR REMOVER load the file ori and nothing tells me the egr disabled. Load the gold of another car and it makes me process the file. I open the 2d look at address and the area of the map object, I find the switch from 14252 to 47506. I open my file ori, and discover that the same bit already? from ori ? to 47506.......but ? can????
Ela.Toretto
27-12-2014, 18:11
Ela.Toretto
27-12-2014, 18:12
in the file object here ? address 61EEE
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 18:54
Exactly!! I summarize in brief the history. My friend had already? a mod who didn't like.I read the file and searched on the forum the ori with the hw and sw that gave me the cock that already? did not correspond to the label of the ecu. So I think that opel had at the time already? made an update. Now, we have two cases. Or the file ori Opel had already? with egr off (for maybe the problems that gave) or the gold found in the database already? mod (but in that case, the ecm would not recognize me the driver). However, that address the alleged file ori returns the value in the ESA B992. Then the egr is closed also in the diagnosis.
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 19:04
I on the marelli I close with time.
however, have you tried the map or was it that he didn't?
Ela.Toretto
27-12-2014, 19:12
Ela.Toretto
27-12-2014, 19:16
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 19:18
I on the marelli I close with time.
however, have you tried the map or was it that he didn't?
He didn't why? I was raised to 47506 a bit that was as the value at 14252 that was clearly not the switch egr why? what is gi? was 47506, but I discovered it only now!!!!
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 19:19
I moddato the ox-bit mentioned by errecinque but the machine strattona and the malfunction indicator light turns on and off continuously.
for the moment I am concentrating on other things
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 19:33
I moddato the ox-bit mentioned by errecinque but the machine strattona and the malfunction indicator light turns on and off continuously.
for the moment I am concentrating on other things
Also to my friend, the light blinks I was going to ask you.....you speak of the two-bit value 775?
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 19:42
yeah, I think there is some other map rail.
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 20:02
yeah, I think there is some other map rail.
To what value liquids the map is identical with the two-bit ori 775 not
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 20:03
To what value did you actually put ?Then the map is identical with only the two bits ori 775 flashes ir???
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 20:05
C'? another bit 775 to 062E3E I don't know cos'? but I'm at the point or feel or we want the rail ori
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 20:07
I had put the 835 (1670 bar) and I had upped the rail pressure to 1650 just to try if it is really coming up the pressure
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 20:19
I had put the 835 (1670 bar) and I had upped the rail pressure to 1650 just to try if it is really coming up the pressure
I moddato also 068ADC
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 20:19
I had put the 835 (1670 bar) and I had upped the rail pressure to 1650 just to try if it is really coming up the pressure
Monday? I go to the guinea pig and load the file first with all the 3-bit 775 arise, and if still blinking I try putting them back ori and we will try another solution.
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 20:23
I moddato also 068ADC
That is said to be a map limiter rail, but if there are bits that block does not raise them the same
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 20:26
I don't think there are other bits otherwise once turned on the light, the car had more power, instead, I believe that the knee-jerk (still light) are due
to some other map that had values are not plausible with the main map, a bit like the turbo pressure
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 20:48
I don't think there are other bits otherwise once turned on the light, the car had more power, instead, I believe that the knee-jerk (still light) are due
to some other map that had values are not plausible with the main map, a bit like the turbo pressure
Then we see
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 20:52
Sorry, but with the phone I leave the message without realizing it...then let's understand something since I have not yet managed to make a log. You say you have lifted up the maps of the restriction and the bit. You cut the same. For? have you seen if the prex rail only with the maps of the limitation without moddare the bits he gets a p? or remains the gold as if I didn't touch on?
Ela.Toretto
27-12-2014, 20:58
In my case, I moddato bit 775 and the map, but from the diagnosis just after the 1480 turn me off just the machine... probably a bit I found in the area of the torque limiters in the series... but ahim? still I can't find the time to test it... around c'? a lot of people that says to be successful, we were just us then hahaha
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 21:05
the pressure ? raised and still toretto bits are two 0653C2 and 068566.
Errecinque of this what do you think 067436: IQ 35mg rpm 4688 pressure alleged 717x2=1434. The shape seems to be a kind of limiter seems strange to me only
not c'? the offset of 100
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 21:35
I moddato also 068ADC
I have seen the map that you mentioned above, but without a damos or someone who actually knows ? impossible to draw conclusions true. Let's argue instead for a moment on the map to 068ADC.
The guide to the marelli defines it as a map lim rail as a function of temp diesel. Y-axis (8 curves) with values from 320 (*0.5-100 = 60 ?c) 380 (90 ?C) . X-axis shows RPM (Backwords) what does that mean? . However, if you are in the clear as in the rest of the map we have from 750 to 1875 Rpm and here what does it mean? I hope that the ecu overcome these tours hold good only the max value senn? what can I do with this map???
Ela.Toretto
27-12-2014, 21:49
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 22:35
That co...ne that are......thanks!!!
dariuccio
27-12-2014, 22:39
for me that map ? wrong why? in 1875 rpm you can't have 1500 bar pressure, excluding, therefore, any denial with some reasoning or
logical explanation of the account; 067436 it seems to me already? most reliable
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 23:00
Map 8x6 0621AE Y-axis temperature of water from -10 to 100 ?C, X-axis Rpm from 750 to 4688 reversed. Not to serve? having regard to the BP of the temp but surely ? a map rail
Errecinque
27-12-2014, 23:21
8x12 0677C8 y-axis IQ X-axis RPM is not reversed. What do you think?
dariuccio
28-12-2014, 13:07
0677CB I think it is the y-axis NM x-axis RPM, but let's talk about the map for a time, otherwise we do not understand anything.
Let's start from this, the shape of the curves you would not say rail pressure even if the values look like them.
pdtechnology
29-12-2014, 19:00
hi I would like to ask if cn map mod lim rail lifted up, the machine has good performance, and if the rail is ? actually lifted up....why? for me, besides giving only the diesel fuel does not ? been done.....the times are calculated for 65mm3 then....I would like to know if ? been tested
Errecinque
29-12-2014, 21:48
Today I tried to install a map with the limiters rail already? known pi? 2 unknown that I moddato I (the value of the Z axis seem to be the values of the rail), I sat as co-pilot of my friend and with a diagnosis autocom (very thin for this car) I read a value of 150 Mpa = 1500 bar, then the pressure objective of the map rail ? been reached. The problem is that after 3000 rpm it flashes the warning light car with key English seghettando slightly. I do not know if ? fault limiters the rail (if all those of the screen that I enclose are) or if as I'm thinking of can? be the fault of the map rail true moddata evil (for example I am thinking of trying to lower of 50 bar and curves on the bp 3000 rpm and pull straight up to 1600 by removing the step that c'? series on the last laps)
9065
Errecinque
29-12-2014, 21:57
0677CB I think it is the y-axis NM x-axis RPM, but let's talk about the map for a time, otherwise we do not understand anything.
Let's start from this, the shape of the curves you would not say rail pressure even if the values look like them.
dariuccio
29-12-2014, 22:40
068596 cos'?? why? have you touched? according to me, no ? what we are looking for. the third bit I don't know nothing but gi? that the pressure gets to 1500 I think
not needed
Exelion1986
06-01-2015, 18:12
the other maps are unknown that you have said, I've never seen any n? modify n? talk about it without a damos I have the idea that it is impossible to know
the only map that I have seen touched some of the time but I have no information ? address 065DCC, but I have seen that in some of the driver is recognized in the place of one of the usual so it may have been a mistake thinking that it was something else
however, it also happens to me the same thing about the pressure, I have to still do a log for? it would appear that when you exceed the 1450 bar start to blink
in theory it should go up with the two bits, and the various limiters, on a point of a friend of mine that I did on the fly I seemed to ignite anything, while on the run with the same changes, problems
maybe the opel c'? something more? that limits
dariuccio
06-01-2015, 22:15
I looked 065DCC I can't imagine values so low, maybe it was the maf or map but I don't think.
map and 067436 what do you think?
Exelion1986
07-01-2015, 03:17
at x rpm, for sure, in y should be a pair, the values of z in reality? do not resemble nothing known, or have a conversion factor that we do not know
dariuccio
07-01-2015, 22:07
717x2=1434bar, y are the IQ. a bit like the bits by multiplying by 2 the real pressure, missing only the offset, but according to me it could be
Exelion1986
08-01-2015, 05:39
I don't think that it is an iq, it would 11946 * 0,002941 = 35,13 that ? a p? low
true that in z there is the factor of 2, but in the other maps do not ? never been used without the offset to -100, and then I play a p? strange
it may also be a limitation on the rail, but maybe it intervenes in particular cases and not in normal operation, even why? I find that the cutting takes place at 1434 bar
someone has tried to log in to the pressure? my guinea pig, cause a problem in diagnosis, probably related to the egr, it looks like you're pulling a p? back
Errecinque
08-01-2015, 13:28
On my guinea pig to? in the diagnosis with autocom up to 1500 bar right....flashing but comes to us. There was a bit or map with unknown limits should not even get there right? Not ? on the corsa c'? some sensor (I can think of is the pressure regulator) that does not support more than 1450 bar?
dariuccio
08-01-2015, 22:43
it could be but in general any piece of electronic or mechanical mounted on an engine is not ? never pulled to the limit, a little bit of margin, they have always.
as soon as I have time, I have to try that map that I wrote above
Errecinque
08-01-2015, 22:53
However, tonight I flashed the same map by lowering the values max of the map rail (the one that c'? also in the
Errecinque
08-01-2015, 22:58
Driver ecm) down to the values max of 1550 (-100) noting only a fast flashing of the light passing from the 3500 without feeling the cuts. Only to 3500 rpm before and after no flashing. C'? something that size to 1450 bar, but we do not know where ?. If someone help us.....us the commitment we are putting....
Ela.Toretto
09-01-2015, 13:01
Ela.Toretto
09-01-2015, 13:02
by mistake I have written 95 hp but ? 105 (y momo) ...
cinqueturbo
09-01-2015, 13:55
Guys but have you considered that maybe and just the pump to give you problems?
The CP1 of the 70cv and limited in scope does not remember as to f? I can not inform, but more? durable in the long run..
The CP1H 75-90hp and limited structurally to the pump unit of M...and flow is 120mg /4
Errecinque
09-01-2015, 15:11
Guys but have you considered that maybe and just the pump to give you problems?
The CP1 of the 70cv and limited in scope does not remember as to f? I can not inform, but more? durable in the long run..
The CP1H 75-90hp and limited structurally to the pump unit of M...and flow is 120mg /4
Sorry but what is there now enters the flow of the pump with the electronic version. Our problem now ? to be able to make a map with the request, for example, 1500 bar real without having lights that light up. Then the pump is not arrivals, in addition to this we will see it in diagnosis, but in the meantime we have to find out in addition to the usual limiters and bit-known what c'? on the other to change in order to not have the cut in addition to the 1450bar
Errecinque
09-01-2015, 15:14
Here we are of course talking about (read the title discussion) the first model of the opel corsa 1.3 mjet
Ela.Toretto
09-01-2015, 17:36
Exelion1986
09-01-2015, 18:27
On my guinea pig to? in the diagnosis with autocom up to 1500 bar right....flashing but comes to us. There was a bit or map with unknown limits should not even get there right? Not ? on the corsa c'? some sensor (I can think of is the pressure regulator) that does not support more than 1450 bar?
get to 1500 bar constant, or the pressure ? dancer? as you have requested the map?
if you actually maintains the required pressure in the fact that it lights up the light may only be a control diagnosis
cinqueturbo
09-01-2015, 18:55
Sorry but what is there now enters the flow of the pump with the electronic version. Our problem now ? to be able to make a map with the request, for example, 1500 bar real without having lights that light up. Then the pump is not arrivals, in addition to this we will see it in diagnosis, but in the meantime we have to find out in addition to the usual limiters and bit-known what c'? on the other to change in order to not have the cut in addition to the 1450bar
Be I with 70cv not or had the need? so much of the pressure and quantity? and then, don't we? banged my head more? so,
on the 75hp instead, with the various cars the pump at duty is also mechanically, I needed to pi? diesel with both CP1 &CP1H not wax
then, or opted for a change to a CP1 pump and rotor and now walks 1500-1600Bar by a wide margin..
the cost of the work 350Euro
Ela.Toretto
09-01-2015, 20:07
but then cinqueturbo you on the 75, we're able to exceed 1500? in turn, however, c'? people that says that the limit of pressure for the cp1 ? 2000 mbar ....
Exelion1986
09-01-2015, 21:14
of course, if the pump has enough flow rate, the pressure begins to fall
maybe you can do even higher pressures of 1500 bar, but with the demands of diesel limited
you should figure out what size
cinqueturbo
09-01-2015, 22:41
of course, if the pump has enough flow rate, the pressure begins to fall
maybe you can do even higher pressures of 1500 bar, but with the demands of diesel limited
you should figure out what size
Eee that's why? I said you can see the pump..
To you the most? open the faucet more? drops the pressure and the quantity? useful..
get a pump with a 180 to 200 milligrams, and then you see that the map does not center na bat..
of course, the limiters should be unlocked but not center anything that you exceeded the 1450Bar goes into the block or turn off the machine,
and it is just the pump not to sustain those pressures and or quantity? requests..
there are the past and the fleece I'm saying..
even s? to me none,we are due to arrive thanks to my Pompista
even the injectors do you have any idea on what mount I bet?
and I'm not talking about the mills, I speak of the entire injector 18-19 milligrams,
even the daily 3,0 comes to us
why? if you are pumped as I say..
with the turbo burning diesel fuel duty by the only map we pull out of nothing, indeed, it gets worse..
Responding to the Ela.Toretto 2000 mbar? I think that the pump or on two machines get to 2000Bar but what's it for?
you know that pi? raise the pressure pi? heat up the diesel?
in facts, or had to mount a radiator for the diesel ;)
1600 I think it is ir? sufficient, and the quantity? that must stay behind..
then I don't know what it's for on a stock engine? Boo..
Errecinque
10-01-2015, 01:01
Summary.....we have the engine, pump and injectors stock. For now we do not care to change mechanically. We have a map rail ori set to 1400 bar real. If the mod only this map by raising the request to 1500 real (1600 in the map because of the offset) without touching the bit, and limiters will not turn on no light or average. I infer, therefore, that I can put also in 2000 that the ecu didn't give a fuck a jot, so we think of the bits and limiters. But if I raise the latter to 1550 real, then bit at 825 (*2-100), the tips of the limiter in fboost 210 (*7.51) and the lim after the map rail to the ladder (I'm thinking of doing it all in the team pulling a nice straight line to val max to try what do you say?) the light flashes when crossing the 1450 then we are breaking something else in the ecu is set to this value. *cinqueturbo I think that this problem must be resolved before changing the pump and injectors if you want to give 1600 bar, if no you still have to do a report.....
Ela.Toretto
10-01-2015, 08:09
Eee that's why? I said you can see the pump..
To you the most? open the faucet more? drops the pressure and the quantity? useful..
get a pump with a 180 to 200 milligrams, and then you see that the map does not center na bat..
of course, the limiters should be unlocked but not center anything that you exceeded the 1450Bar goes into the block or turn off the machine,
and it is just the pump not to sustain those pressures and or quantity? requests..
there are the past and the fleece I'm saying..
even s? to me none,we are due to arrive thanks to my Pompista
even the injectors do you have any idea on what mount I bet?
and I'm not talking about the mills, I speak of the entire injector 18-19 milligrams,
even the daily 3,0 comes to us
why? if you are pumped as I say..
with the turbo burning diesel fuel duty by the only map we pull out of nothing, indeed, it gets worse..
Responding to the Ela.Toretto 2000 mbar? I think that the pump or on two machines get to 2000Bar but what's it for?
you know that pi? raise the pressure pi? heat up the diesel?
in facts, or had to mount a radiator for the diesel ;)
1600 I think it is ir? sufficient, and the quantity? that must stay behind..
then I don't know what it's for on a stock engine? Boo..
cinqueturbo
10-01-2015, 11:12
Then reinforce the fact that if the pump does not achieve the goal, the drive must be faulty..
If you want to do a test with the map ori with only mod rail pressure, postatela as well..
And you realize that already? you can reach high pressures, but as you open the faucet zac..
dariuccio
10-01-2015, 20:10
Eee that's why? I said you can see the pump..
To you the most? open the faucet more? drops the pressure and the quantity? useful..
your speech I agree up to a point: the more you open the faucet, the more drops the pressure, but if the map gets up only the pressure, and still maintain the timing and control unit opens the regulator (return circuit) why? you should lower the amount? available?
it can also be that I'm wrong, can you explain that?
Exelion1986
12-01-2015, 05:49
however, we should understand what is cutting of the fact
secure with original pump and request diesel pi? high there will be? a limit, but if all goes well up to 1450 and then to 1451 flashes I think
you could try with the map ori pi? only changes to the pressure and its surge, rising from 1450 in small increments at a time and make a log to see if the pressure ? stable or fluctuates, and if the light comes on
the next weekend if I have time and if my guinea pig allows me that I'm going to do some testing
Exelion1986
20-01-2015, 17:35
nothing I have not yet had the chance? to do the tests for? I saw my other friend who has the point
I had modified the same way as running in, and he has confirmed that it will not turn on no light
the opel I know that have some kind of block in the pi? or different
Errecinque
20-01-2015, 23:30
nothing I have not yet had the chance? to do the tests for? I saw my other friend who has the point
I had modified the same way as running in, and he has confirmed that it will not turn on no light
the opel I know that have some kind of block in the pi? or different
I, too, am still with the experiments in these days, but we keep updated as soon as I can do something. In the meantime, I have to refit my friend a map with rail-to-1440 max to not turn on the light, but we will find the way to unlock it sooner or later. Make sure to tune in
Exelion1986
21-01-2015, 18:10
perhaps days, I try at least on the point, for now runs with 1460, but I might try, for example, 1500 to see if it's all good
the only difference I notice in the real world? ? that second bit to 775 ? in a different area between opel and fiat
Exelion1986
26-01-2015, 08:40
I tried a map with a request to 1450, does not light no light
I also tried with the diagnosis and the pressure perfectly follows the required value and ? stable
unfortunately I have not had time to test with pi values? high what happens in the diagnosis, I wanted to first place on the map in order not to have problems
however, I correct myself, the fiat turns to 1470 without problems
Errecinque
10-03-2015, 15:11
News? ???? no one knows how to show us where lies the difference between the maps fiat and opel regard to the limitation of the rail ???
Exelion1986
17-03-2015, 19:09
at the moment I have a p? stopped on these
no news? unfortunately
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