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hi I would like an opinion on this map is made by me for the car in question, the file ori can be found in the database, but I enclose equally
the problem and a small vacuum in the recovery from 1500
you will notice the map informed lim IQ unlocked, times stock and stock pressure
I await aid
Thanks to all
The logic map and informed...the advance payments have been calculated and tested several times on the drive....the torque limiter, and was done in order not to penalize the group flywheel clutch, but to have a row in the top....ditto the pedal to the left as much as possible similar to the original habit
You as you work, for example? ?
Someone who is giving me a hand? ?
hi I would like an opinion on this map is made by me for the car in question, the file ori can be found in the database, but I enclose equally
the problem and a small vacuum in the recovery from 1500
you will notice the map informed lim IQ unlocked, times stock and stock pressure
I await aid
Thanks to all
Hello I could explain that map ? this ? In my opinion, it is not ? was touched nothing, starting from the limiter iq hurt not to mention the management of the rail that does not ? been touched then ori together with the limiters, turbo pressure in that way, not the avr? not even 0.1 bar peak in the ir? not to mention de torque limiter run bad in that way........... Do not take my words as a criticism but as a personal opinion, and according to me you need to do it again from scratch while maintaining a policy and a rationale on the whole the management of the parameters.
Hello I could explain that map ? this ? In my opinion, it is not ? was touched nothing, starting from the limiter iq hurt not to mention the management of the rail that does not ? been touched then ori together with the limiters, turbo pressure in that way, not the avr? not even 0.1 bar peak in the ir? not to mention de torque limiter run bad in that way........... Do not take my words as a criticism but as a personal opinion, and according to me you need to do it again from scratch while maintaining a policy and a rationale on the whole the management of the parameters.
I'm sorry, the rail pressure is not been touched voluntarily having imposed only 80 mm3 maximum, I need a 1600 bar, there is not a rule on the rail ec who change and those who don't, the advances are calculated for 80mm3 the torque limiter, and was done on purpose so not to penalize the group flywheel clutch the car goes well and the problem is that it has a blank from 1500 to 1750 for the rest I am satisfied....thank you for the opinion
I can confirm 1.6 bar peak and 1.5 constant
another question about the limiter iq since I changed 3 of which you speak one on the basis of the conditions the vehicle, on the basis of the water temperature or the balancing pump rail??
Hello, I have the same car and I hope I can help, I would imagine that you're self-taught like me. The map of pedal not me ? clear quato I don't understand the you have modified the BP spins fore in this map, you just need to mod, only curves. Maybe to get more? fuel injected you could change the BP of the map QI after the 20kgm. I don't understand why? you have changed the advances that way if you prefissao to inject 80, it was not enough to change only the last BP? Given that I have the same Car I'm very interested in this point to get study material for my own. For over-IQ seem to me to be recopied from some other map, pi? what else I don't understand why? under the 3000 you have them rise up to a maximum of 3 mm3 and after them have also changed in the negative compared to the originals. I would be limited to only increase in the area refers to the value that represents the optimum condition of use.
PS can I ask you what is the change you made to the map refers to the couple in the start-up phase?
On the map starting you need to improve the cold start my to l'aquila suffered a bit.....the advances are designed to improve the fuel consumption for the map qi you mean quantity? fuel injected? ? I am self-taught on the map the pedal and copied to the ducati corse...the limiter have taken a cue from the ducati corse and juliet 2.0, but interpolated for this map.....the problem, and only a bit of empty from 1400 to 1750 for the rest of the machine consumes little, and walk on the left wing a lot. ..thanks for the first constructive opinion
Maybe to get more? fuel injected you could change the BP of the map QI after the 20kgm.
I figured out which map you speak perhaps quantity? of fuel injected into the ECM??
I figured out which map you speak perhaps quantity? of fuel injected into the ECM??
You mean that map, but you hear a p? vacuum compared to the original, or appears to be ir? dead down than when it goes up, rpm now that you have changed? You could simply raise the request to the pedal in the area you like the most? lacking. Also remember that the torque limiter that you set limits the request. Even why? in other maps, such as the lambda and you have been very pi? generous of me and my after in 1500 pushes enough, so it could just be to raise the request to the pedal or the torque limiter.
Ahh I forgot, for the step on mine I just changed the last bp that was originally identical to the second-to-last going to anticipate about 0.5?. On the basis of how they've changed, how can you be sure not to be put in a condition that is risky? I ask you, why? personally, I don't know how to test this change, I don't know how to tell if you are progressing correctly. My question related to the stage he wanted to be this, with a diagnosis in real time you can't understand something? I imagine that if you anticipate too much or too little can ruin the engine, for this I would start from the assumption that the ori up to 60\70mm3 are good to go.
You say that's not l I tried....the lambda and quite permissive and the problem is that she smokes but does not go as if it was flooded ... and then exceed 1600 and something, and part as a missile
Ahh I forgot, for the step on mine I just changed the last bp that was originally identical to the second-to-last going to anticipate about 0.5?. On the basis of how they've changed, how can you be sure not to be put in a condition that is risky? I ask you, why? personally, I don't know how to test this change, I don't know how to tell if you are progressing correctly. My question related to the stage he wanted to be this, with a diagnosis in real time you can't understand something? I imagine that if you anticipate too much or too little can ruin the engine, for this I would start from the assumption that the ori up to 60\70mm3 are good to go.
The address phase advances and a little more complicated the ec risk, but it depends on if you pick up the part 60 80 mm3 cmq qi inject for um limited period of time that does not cause any problems also I invite you to compare the advances of the 140cv identical 150, but changes the prail and t inj because the injectors are several well them the advances are different in the first euro 3 regulations vs euro4 second noise etc.....I c I dedicated so much to the study of the advances, and with a great help of jacktheripper2 I figured out how and what to do also for a better understanding of the advances I have to get you a sheet with the durations angle of the injections in order to understand how and ultra-late I'm poor engine fault of the dpf and altrr environmental variables. ...I hope I helped you
also, you say that I can push over as a torque limiter to 1500??
I should try to compare your map advances golds with my golds to understand the difference, as I don't have the DPF already? of the series.
For the lim couple have advised me to make it to the pi? linear as possible, maybe even lifting it slightly more? at the bottom, but making the curve more? sweet as possible to avoid rough, however, considers that the clutch and flywheel ? definitely the best on these cars.
Now with the cell and can't review your work, for? I would try to slightly raise the request to the pedal at the bottom, raise the other 3/4mm3 the lim IQ in that range of rpm, even why? in memory it seems to me that the first of the 3500 you have raised very little, only 3 mm3 and after the 3500 15/17 mm3, and try to work on the lim couple as I told you. The lambda in this moment ? limiting according to me, there is a maximum you can work after if you want to try the mod I mentioned above.
I should try to compare your map advances golds with my golds to understand the difference, as I don't have the DPF already? of the series.
For the lim couple have advised me to make it to the pi? linear as possible, maybe even lifting it slightly more? at the bottom, but making the curve more? sweet as possible to avoid rough, however, considers that the clutch and flywheel ? definitely the best on these cars.
Now with the cell and can't review your work, for? I would try to slightly raise the request to the pedal at the bottom, raise the other 3/4mm3 the lim IQ in that range of rpm, even why? in memory it seems to me that the first of the 3500 you have raised very little, only 3 mm3 and after the 3500 15/17 mm3, and try to work on the lim couple as I told you. The lambda in this moment ? limiting according to me, there is a maximum you can work after if you want to try the mod I mentioned above.
if your and e4 are identical even without dpf, of course, in order to save and only been studied to a map, both with and without dpf, if to compare it with the e3 show significantly differences, I'll try again to raise the torque limiter, and even with the pedal to make it more sensitive, also, I will say that further raise the lim iq is not needed as they are already at about 80, but not enough at the bottom to inject that amount, perhaps on the basis of all the air I can inject 50 55 mm3 of fuel, obviously, 1500 are appropriate about 15 lambda, lambda instead and very limitatante especially at low rpm
Try only raising the request to the pedal, without touching the torque limiter, as having left the pedal to the original in that range according to me ? for the one that you feel less prestranza down. If the lambda cos? com'? you limits of 1500 rpm to approximately 50mm3, consider that from the pedal to 1500 you must be at least 50% to have the request of 50mm3. According to me, to be the salt of laps the car just press on the pedal you already have? exceeded the threshold of 1500, and so we do not get to inject that quantity?. The lim torque at 1500 ? of 32kgm that you allow approximately 60mm3. Raise the pedal even lella low-end without too much exaggeration, at least if you have the opportunity to do a couple of tests you can climb up gradually.
For the advances I'd like to explore the discourse :-)
PS You've got to look at a giulietta mjet 170? Map the pedal in the dynamic ? frighteningly charge below the map normal, gi? 20\30% of the pedal you have almost double that of the request. After having tried a I had a look at the map and I understood why? you can feel the difference between normal and dynamic :-)
Prover? tomorrow for down payments are available, but self-taught, according to me, you must speak with jacktheripper2 that and really competent
Then retouched pedal, the car goes better tomorrow...always with a mod to the pedal...retouching a part of the advances just to linearize
Perfect, I'm happy, if you want to put the map in sharing, we're still on. A few posts back, it seems to me that I had written that you smoke a p? at the bottom, do you think that could depend on the lambda? gi? 400 of the air intake you've lowered the value of the lambda a little more? 1. If I remember correctly from a log that I had made that value of the intake air is at a minimum.
not yet I have to retouch advance, and lambda, the smoke does so with about 600 to 700 mg of the air as if it were a little air and too much fuel, even if to me it just seems weird
and was lowered to 1 or a little more and then about 15 of stechio so not really fat of the fuel mixture to make it shoot better, and actually took, but I was missing something
much improved in the short in place, I ask an opinion of jacktheripper
The logic map and informed...the advance payments have been calculated and tested several times on the drive....the torque limiter, and was done in order not to penalize the group flywheel clutch, but to have a row in the top....ditto the pedal to the left as much as possible similar to the original habit
sorry jovandj,in my humble opinion, the torque limiter ? a lot of questionable but I find it strange the change of torque during start-up, especially reading that you do not want to penalize complex flywheel and clutch
The diesel on this ecu and substantially to the required torque....the map was made to stretch a bit more...to get diesel at a high rpm without requiring the torque and, therefore, not to limit it as you would have done?? Or so or aumentavi but the map nm->iq...there are no solutions
What enters the torque starter with the flywheel? ?
Hello, I've seen the map, doesn't it ? bad but according to me low ? too the original. You want to send me your **** that I can not write you in private?
I thank you again too kind
Jack if you're taking a shot. ...
On the map starting you need to improve the cold start my to l'aquila suffered a bit.....the advances are designed to improve the fuel consumption for the map qi you mean quantity? fuel injected? ? I am self-taught on the map the pedal and copied to the ducati corse...the limiter have taken a cue from the ducati corse and juliet 2.0, but interpolated for this map.....the problem, and only a bit of empty from 1400 to 1750 for the rest of the machine consumes little, and walk on the left wing a lot. ..thanks for the first constructive opinion
hello, I ask you kindly if you could explain how you have calculated the advance (the formulas that you used and the data that you have taken into consideration) thanks a lot
with the durations angle, you just need to convert the time durations corner and you know what it takes for an injection angularly speaking, subtract the advance and know how to inject before TDC and after TDC
How do I convert the time durations angle? Doing that calculation? Can you give a practical example? Thanks!
Look, if you read carefully in the forum and been told hundreds of times...anyway, in a nutshell, take the rpm and multiply it for 0.000006 example 4000?0,000006=0,024 and then take the life in us that you need as 80 mm3 with rail ori inject them in 968 and multiply to 0,024 = 23,23 degrees of duration angle....now if here, 22 degrees of advance, you will get 22 degrees before tdc and 1.23 after tdc...let me explain? ?
someone explain to me the 10 maps of the PID controller, and if you touch it improves the behavior
Look, if you read carefully in the forum and been told hundreds of times...anyway, in a nutshell, take the rpm and multiply it for 0.000006 example 4000?0,000006=0,024 and then take the life in us that you need as 80 mm3 with rail ori inject them in 968 and multiply to 0,024 = 23,23 degrees of duration angle....now if here, 22 degrees of advance, you will get 22 degrees before tdc and 1.23 after tdc...let me explain? ?
But what are the values of advance optimal for proper combustion? C'? a report\rule to maintain on the basis of how much salt to the qi and the rpm? The calculation of the times ? very useful, thank you.
someone explain to me the 10 maps of the PID controller, and if you touch it improves the behavior
These unknown.....I too would like to begin to understand these....what are the 10 maps the PID to??
I've always calculated in the above manner other ways you do not know them, but I'm willing to discuss
Oh god, are with the cell then no I have the address to hand, but the area 1e3220 about I go to memory there are 8 maps in a row and then 2 others are derivative control, proportional control and an integral end if I'm not mistaken....to answer the above, obviously, raising the p-rail, lower the angular duration of the injections, but not the amount? the moddi with tinj
Oh god, are with the cell then no I have the address to hand, but the area 1e3220 about I go to memory there are 8 maps in a row and then 2 others are derivative control, proportional control and an integral end if I'm not mistaken....to answer the above, obviously, raising the p-rail, lower the angular duration of the injections, but not the amount? the moddi with tinj
The angular duration of the injections are related to the rpm and to the time of inj. The Cio? at 4000 rpm I 0.024 ? to the Us. in the map time injection I time related to the prail and not to the laps. If injection for 900 US at 4000 rpm, the duration of injection ? 21.6 ?. But 21.6 ? if the prail ? 1000 q.t? ? X if, instead, the prail ? 1400 q.t? ? X1....oh god, I'm smoking, I don't car...
Yes, but the time shall be lower check the map times more salt p rail and short l inj in parit? fuel
Yes, but the time shall be lower check the map times more salt p rail and short l inj in parit? fuel
Yes, I know, but I would like to find a table to know the capacity? of the injectors for the prail and time. You know the initials of the injectors 140 hp that I search for something on the network?
Linear interpolation...anyway, I think that 90 mm3 raise the prail in 1450, and there should be, the map time and climb up to 1600 if I'm not mistaken
Congratulations for the work done for? I have a huge screen? because I believe that in 1600 there arrivals of prail while if you work up to 1500 you have anyway the same information, in the intermediate values of prail anyway, the ecu interpolates
Congratulations for the work done for? I have a huge screen? because I believe that in 1600 there arrivals of prail while if you work up to 1500 you have anyway the same information, in the intermediate values of prail anyway, the ecu interpolates
It is, in fact, on the axis prail now I have the bp max 1500 and I took advantage of those that the ecu first used to approximate the values. ORI from 400 to 1400 I had 200 points of difference now only 100. I thought I had made a cool but actually if you interpolate even in the midst of all wasted effort....
surely you have done a good job, i'll give you my compliments, ****multi-utility however it's not the best because it's a which uses a pressure step of 100 bar 100bar, but you may have 450 bar then 490bar then 525 bar then, however, the ecu interpolates, congratulations for the work, however, I think that my problem is the pid controller, since I don't have peak from 1500 to 2000 then from 2000 onwards the turbine I spike to 1.6 bar as desired to short I attach a LOG and and a rev of the map
Guys I ask for help....maf off I found a switch on the damos and hfm sensor installed 1 0 do not set to 0, disable the maf??
hello Jovandi
forgive my ignorance because you turn off the maf sensor (mass flow of air)?
the off why not read more good values to the minimum marks 600mg of air per cycle, that is not possible, I wanted to know if someone can give some advice I found 1c29cc switch to determine whether the HFM sensor is installed or not (0: not installed, 1: installed) I don't think just because the mass air flow sensor also reads the T air intake, I know of people in the forum that have it disabled, and you are 3 switches to find 1? for the MAF, true, 2? for the sensor T and 3? the DTC memory, then there should be a map to convert from MAF to MAP, if someone wants to help are available
switch to disable (0) / enable (1) AFSCD_stErrAirTemp for freezing the air mass l could be part of this 1c2624, then the DTC will see, if someone wants to help are also available to test on my vehicle
Thanks
Errecinque
25-11-2014, 16:50
Hello Jovandj first of all, I want to compliment you for your effort that you put a self-taught, also noted in other discussions. I have given a look from the neophyte to the map that you posted at the beginning. I don't know if you've solved your initial problem, but I ask you to posting 2 screen the reason for these 2 limiters iq (I think) do not have values max all 8000 but a p? up-and-down....the second screen: I don't know what it is but I'd like to know what it refers to this change out drivers. Instead, for the rest saw that you wanted to inform the ecu of 80 mm according to my humble opinion, you should raise the BP to 8000 all the 3 maps turbo all 5 maps-injection phase and the three-variable geometry.
The other thing to be ignorant......if you delete completely the mass air flow sensor in which the value of air sucked into account the ecu to adjust the data?? Thanks
then if you delete the MAF (mass air flow sensor), the ecu reads the air based on the MAP sensor (air pressure), and makes a conversion to me still unknown that allows you to derive the quantity of air, in fact if you disconnect the maf you from damage but walks in anyway, I can't see the screen, but as far as the limiters iq, and according to the conditions of the vehicle, i.e. when is 8192 i.e. TH2O between 40 and 105C? if I'm not mistaken allows you all that fuel, i.e. in the optimal conditions, there are 3 limiters the first, and in F of the temperature of the water, the second, and the one just mentioned, that, and anyway, depending on water temperature 3? and balancing fuel pump that I have not understood yet, but if not the moddi limits, the problem, unfortunately, I have not yet resolved, with the MAF unplugged the car runs better and does not smoke, starts to smoke on the 3750, I thank you for the compliments, I am passionate about and I spend a lot of time to these studies, because I really like to enter the optical-ECU-BASED, practically in the short became a ECU....ehehehe when I feel bad attack, the diagnosis, and I see the DTC....joke thank you
Guys today I did 20 25 scriptures testing the PID controller and putting ori map VGT or an overboost (as you want), I will explain what I understand by trying, and I'm attaching the exact addresses
*1E1D78
*1E1E6C
*1E1F60
*1E2054
these are the 4 maps to PID, factor D, i.e. the Derivative
from the tests made on these maps, are used to contain the pressure Peak, i.e. in conditions of maximum load transient (to have a short at 2000 rpm crush all) are used to contain and control or sweeten the peak of an overboost, in BP, we find the RPM and QI in MM3 the resulting factor Derivative.
Scrolling in 2D, we find the other 2 maps similar
*1E2148
*1E2248
these, however, are the factor Integrative, BP ditto to those of the first RPM and MM3 of course, the result will be the Integrative factor, in my opinion, these control the progression of the Prex Turbo and correct any smudges in acceleration but do not control the peak, so that the pressure remains faithful to the one set in the map.
finally, there's the other 2 maps
*1E2408
*1e2508
who are the proportional, BP ditto of the above, then RPM MM3 and the resulting sara, obviously, is the factor that is proportional, in my opinion, these control the pressure and make sure to keep it constant if the gas constant and driving example in the plain of 90 km/h without variations of gas and does not make the climb, keeping it in the target set by the map turbo.
I hope I have done something good I wait for a few BIG give me a hand or an opinion, we would like to thank my turbine for having endured a peak-to-1,75 bar of pressure.
PS moddando the PID changes a lot, the delivery of the machine, very very
It's great that you did all of these tests.
From what I know myself to? the P is used to determine the 'speed' is reached the objective,The need to keep it stable or still have to follow the values set as the goal, the D finally ? the last controller that sometimes not ? even active (also depends only from the sw to the sw)? active in the management of the rail pressure that she also has the pid controller to adjust the lens and measured.
Hello Jack ? always a pleasure to risentirti in my case, the factor D ? active in the map by putting it to zero or otherwise lowering I noticed a peak uncontrolled pressure turbo
M has piqued even at 1.8 with the one off or zoned lot, I touched a lot, but I have been very close to what you say, you in the end the progression of the prex turbo and speed? of achieved are comparable with respect to the factor, while the factor P controls the stability? I've expressed with a constant load and containment would keep it stable, so it goes quite well without the Maf for the speech that you mentioned that lost performance after a while, it was just that now he seems to remain constant and good to go.
In accordance with the map deceived the pid are deceived by having the 2?bp mm3 of course, being more correct, less in the case of the deceived, I would stress, and that is why the deceived go so well at the bottom, and with the informed if touches the pid the machine changes a lot
It's great that you did all of these tests.
From what I know myself to? the P is used to determine the 'speed' is reached the objective,The need to keep it stable or still have to follow the values set as the goal, the D finally ? the last controller that sometimes not ? even active (also depends only from the sw to the sw)? active in the management of the rail pressure that she also has the pid controller to adjust the lens and measured.
Jack now that you reread carefully, there are controllers on the p-rail??
today I made 2 other 3 tests, I noticed that the PID controller corrects only, in fact, if we touch the map VGT and the raccordiamo I have taken away then open the 5% fixed from 1750 to 5000, I noticed that the correction was significantly less I have also noticed that the pressure is more stable, so if you can linearize the more possible the VGT from the map present in the driver of the ECM, the pid do a minor work, and can be left out
Have you tried To do only the adaptation Bp of the last axis to 80 mm3 Interpolating with Excel, the values of each rpm from 5 to 70 Mm3 .
Have you tried To do only the adaptation Bp of the last axis to 80 mm3 Interpolating with Excel, the values of each rpm from 5 to 70 Mm3 .
What maps are we talking about? ?
What maps are we talking about? ?
Of the map in the driver vgt you said before
Of the map in the driver vgt you said before
Watch Errecinque I also tried to update the position breakpoint, but did not change anything in the pid are quite oppressive....then does not change practically nothing....anyway, I found a proper mediation between pid and vgt and goes much better with the maf unplugged since gone....only the air and a lot less because the law is from the map and until the ec pressure non-ec air substantially
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