cold start doblò 1.9

[MultiBravo]

I have a dobl? 1.9 mjet 105 of 2008 with the map 865-489, with problems of cold start, especially..
tricking the water temperature sensor part very well..
in the database giarras attached the file 865-091 how to update fiat for departure..

with ecm, I can see the "map in start-up" to the file 091..

According to you, can I upload it quietly? anyone know the addresses of the file 091?
or I could increase the file 489 seen that the table with the ecm I see it..

https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=1265&d=1348854406

Thanks a lot!!!

[giuseppe1374]

startup problems do you mean that you have to insist a few seconds with the starter? in diagnosis have you checked that the errors you from? checked the real-time values, especially those of the rail and also the egr

[MultiBravo]

in diagnosis no error, the first start-up lasts for 5 seconds, and then slowly with light smoke blue, then the discharge ? clean and runs well..
the rail pressure squirts immediately to the desired value on the 350-380 bar..
egr also works well, and the values of the mass air flow sensor..

I have the idea that the starter motor has lost a few laps and, thanks to the mapping lean, the engine face from fatigue..
I need help in finding your map "the couple in start-up" in the file 091 since? with ecm I can't find it..

[giuseppe1374]

before this stage the egr and test

[gabrilupo]

from what I know these cars don't have any problems on the maps to start...I would check the egr as he says of joseph, then I would spend to see something else... excuse me if I say bullshit...

[guaro85]

I would give a reviosionata to the starter motor

[MultiBravo]

also, I'm keen for a review on the scooter..
has anyone ever checked how many revolutions does the engine start-up forcibly prolonged (e.g. unplug the connectors and injectors)?

[rdponline]

I had the same problem at my dobl?, I have revised and changed the starter, mo. The egr the I was already tapped.

[MultiBravo]

here we go..;)
how many years/km had the means when you ? happened to the problem?

[carlo abarth]

suffer from mopeds those vans ...listen to your colleagues!!!

[MultiBravo]

there is an engine powered?
on the vw with starting problems some speak of having installed an upgrade kit from Bosch..
this kit is expected to change the armature and brushes..

[rdponline]

The truck has 300,000 km and over 13 years:...

[rdponline]

The starter motor enhanced the way I do it, but on the vw you interviena from the map... sure if the starter now, and went to fry tantoval change it.

[MultiBravo]

I had the same problem at my dobl?, I have revised and changed the starter, mo. The egr the I was already tapped.

what do you mean by modified? it developed? :D

[rdponline]

you changed, I turn to the most? cos? the first part, and an operation applicable to all starters, just to reduce the diameter of the armature, what were the mechanics of old-fashioned to start the engines tired and decompressed

[gabrilupo]

what do you mean? we need to change the led or just turning that ?

[rdponline]

turning 0.15/0.20 mm

[guaro85]

or if there are for those motors, you buy an induced enhanced

[MultiBravo]

a turning of 2 tenths of a second is usually performed on induced of dc motor industrial on the occasion of the revision, and x experience you have never increased the power.. pu? be that being ruined, with the turning you will find the performance lost..
the speed? ? data from the flow of the current that flows through the coils dell winding.. little changes if the diameter also decreases significantly..

[MultiBravo]

X experience on industrial engines I have never seen an increase in the power of engines with only the turning of 2 tenths of a second, which is usually performed on the occasion of the review.. probably you will find the performance lost from scratches..
the speed? ? data from the current circulating in the coils, and also by decreasing the diameter of the manifold in a considerable way, there? ? no effect for the purposes of power and speed?..

[gabrilupo]

I would not say bullshit but maybe decreases the lever arm of the driving torque of the motoreessendo the rotor a smaller diameter and then an equal number of performance and power consumption if the torque decreases the speed? angular must to increase strength...am I wrong?

[rdponline]

Multibravo ve you want you can try my dobl?, the panda of my sister, the point of my father, the golf of a client, the run of a friend and cos? via, I could get you a nice list. I speak as a matter of fact, maybe mel the industrial field, but the starter motor drive, do not speak as if you were talking rubbish, I know what I say this from experience of work carried out.

[rdponline]

Oh I forgot, the turning must be made on the body of the iron of the armature to speed up not on the copper and beat the spezzole. From various tests conducted more decreases than 0.15 0.20 more you go fast but then mounted loses power.

[MultiBravo]

Oh I forgot, the turning must be made on the body of the iron of the armature to speed up not on the copper and beat the spezzole. From various tests conducted more decreases than 0.15 0.20 more you go fast but then mounted loses power.

you expressed bad then..�and ? indifferent if it is a industrial engine or d start: ? always a dc motor..
however, the turning of the manifold ? irrelevant, well, the other thing ? the turning of the pack dell led.. I go to change the air gap ( distance between the rotating part and the permanent magnets or windings and a stator).
the air gap influence the performance.

[MultiBravo]

I would not say bullshit but maybe decreases the lever arm of the driving torque of the motoreessendo the rotor a smaller diameter and then an equal number of performance and power consumption if the torque decreases the speed? angular must to increase strength...am I wrong?

the force that makes the engine turn originates from the interaction between the field produced by the windings of the stator with the flux created by the stator, normally the permanent magnets in the motors d start..

[rdponline]

if you look at my previous answers, I do not speak of the manifold, but of the armature. the manifold have appointed you.

[MultiBravo]

? true, you're right..
I ? came automatically think of the manifold, why? in the review, with a turning armature I and others, we mean the manifold..
reduce the iron of the manifold ? a change compared to the values of the gap calculated by the manufacturer that I would not do.. I think that turning the manifold and smiccatura pi? fattening goo / sost. bushings in the starter motor finds the turns of the original.. or at least I have always done cos?.. then everyone does what he believes in.. �

[riccardo59]

Guys before all these changes why? do not check the pressure sensor behind the fuel pump that is often consumed the rubber or
you wear the o-ring is of teflon, and loses a bit of pressure at the start, on older machines I ? often.-

[MultiBravo]

S? s?, I agree with you from the pi? banal, but that we sometimes waste a lot of time in research..��
you just see that it is not leaking diesel fuel to the outside, or you have to remove the sensor?

[jovandj]

however, these means are suffering on the starter or even less mileage, so it may be necessary to revise starter, unless some other problems on the supply and exhaust etc.

[MultiBravo]

? true why? maybe has a few miles but the years are there..
oxidation and aging of the fat combined with powders that are in the clutch housing causing friction..
x absurd ? taken better one that spins around all day with the machine..

[enzopezzano]

Without words!!!!

[riccardo59]

Not leaking fuel to the outside but you wear the rubber grommet of teflon and can't see it, and lose pressure, I ? also happened on the shield with motor peugeot.-

[Mikigor]

I have not read the whole discussion. With A cold engine if you fall off the sensor h2o as well?

[MultiBravo]

Without words!!!!

cio???? what do you mean?

[MultiBravo]

S? yes, I have simulated a temperature of 0 degrees and ? the big party.. for what I want to give a little fuel from the map..

[enzopezzano]

cio???? what do you mean?

What I have written!!!!

[MultiBravo]

Dear Enzo this not ? the spirit of the forum..
We are here x help, exchange tips and share experiences that each of us is, in order to grow all; both the master and the beginner..
Then you should not say "I possess the truth?" and then not argue and not make a constructive contribution to the discussion.
The comment end in itself, and "cattivino" does not help anyone if not ? argued. If you have the solution to the problem could you also help us poor human
we're squeezing the brain..
Then a p? of kindness and education, not to fail ever..
Also I could tell you to change jobs, but did not ? right and not ? this is the spirit that we must keep. we do not have to throw it in the controversy..

We partner.. ;)

[jovandj]

S? yes, I have simulated a temperature of 0 degrees and ? the big party.. for what I want to give a little fuel from the map..

there should be the map start, some suffer a bit, but then leave, just increase it a little in another way diesel can't give it

[enzopezzano]

You said that by disconnecting the temperature sensor-engine part good, then, begins with the put a new one and not ostinarti with changes to the starter motor ect..... Fix injectors, cold, and opening pressure diesel inavviamento, functioning egr. All things that can cause starts difficult. It seems to me you said it all in another place!!!!! Remember???

[enzopezzano]

It seems to me you also said that you have two injectors with corrections a bit high!!!!

[enzopezzano]

Similar problems I see, I see it almost every day, but I never "processed" a starter motor or amended by the map, the torque start. Indeed, once, but there were -28 to Turin.

[jovandj]

Similar problems I see, I see it almost every day, but I never "processed" a starter motor or amended by the map, the torque start. Indeed, once, but there were -28 to Turin.

sorry enzo, sometimes the fix inj a very cold and for the first 2 minutes can also be a little off at the end and a normal thing, then, must be in the canonical +/- 1,5 mm3 although for me there are far too many, for example I am hot I have a maximum of +/- 0.1 or 0.2 but cold see also +/- 2,5 stuff 30-40 seconds

[enzopezzano]

If the injectors are ok too cold you have values close to zero. I put it in black and white!!!

[MultiBravo]

according to me the fixes are not catastrophic, why? after 1 minute they are great..
the temperature sensor do not think it is to change why? the values read in the diagnosis are correct..
a diesel engine needs a starter motor that spins correctly, then I started from the analysis..
I would be left with the glow plugs that I have not tried it, I trusted the diagnosis and not by abnormalities in the ... what are you pi? experts, I have problems with the glow plugs
and the light does not blink?

Enzo, the cars that had the highest values of correction when they went out were sobbing for the first few moments? if simulavi a start-up pi? cold by unplugging the sensor as you were leaving?

[jovandj]

If the injectors are ok too cold you have values close to zero. I put it in black and white!!!

You believe....but the engines are not computer...cold and for the first 30 seconds 40 I can not even be close to 0 and physiological confirmed by pompista bosch obvious that if after 2 to 3 minutes, 3 there is something that isn't necessarily the injectors can also be cylinders

[MultiBravo]

Then the injectors can I leave them be.. ;)

[enzopezzano]

No words!!!!

[enzopezzano]

Good fun.

[MultiBravo]

Quoteoftheday!!! but the pompista bosch if he says so?, not to say it? with knowledge of the facts?
the injectors you have always changed, or you can repair enzo?

[enzopezzano]

Usually you review unless they are destroyed, but not in your case.

[Mikigor]

@ Enzo. The same problem solved yesterday on race mjet.fixed with revision injectors.
Enzo can I ask you have you ever tried to change the map of the couple in the start-up in the 19-20 mjet

[enzopezzano]

You once on a 147 JtdM 120 hp. With an outdoor temperature of -28 started the long and turned evil for a bit, changed the map and problem solved. on the 2.0 is still no.