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Kindly I would like to have an opinion on the map that I tried to do.
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Anyone that can? give me some opinion?
then on the maps with the injection you gave fuel to the too low values of both the load of the engine rpm and the percentage of change you have to change more and more then parts from 3% at low loads up to a max of 15% so for all the other maps of injection...all of that wrong on the turbo...I'm sorry if by 100 points on the turbo and even 100 points on the limiters, how do you expect this machine to take a p? of horses...and then limiters are always of the highest values of pressure...finally, for the torque limiters you left the speed too low compute that the couple develops between 2 and 3 third gear then from 2000 rpm onwards and be careful:cool: with the limiters that giving too much in a percentage risk that the clutch will slip...you put on a plate of gold:cool:
Thanks ake85 of the beautiful and useful response. :)
I tried to edit the map.
I enclose, and if possible I would like to know if I have improved or not.
8674
now, it gets better :) also if you can always do better...the limiters you can give even more, and then controls the curved 2d and correggi...su diesel fuel does not give IQ at low load, always start from 50 onwards for the rest ? good
Thanks :cool:
Then I try to make some improvements!! ;)
But I think more tomorrow that I are weaving the eyes and the graphics :)
Thanks :cool:
Then I try to make some improvements!! ;)
But I think more tomorrow that I are weaving the eyes and the graphics :)
I tried to edit limiters and diesel. I hope that cos? both improved.
8686
then, enrichment and acceleration make an average so if you have given a 15% on the maps injection by a 7 - 10% in a growing...
then on the maps let you read the numbers as a limiter you have 2300 that would be 1.3 bar of limitation why? the ecm also calculates the atmospheric pressure at ****llo of the sea (1000 mbar), and then 2,3 -1,0 is 1,3-limiter...now, you will see that on the maps the turbo does not even reach to 1.2 bar then you can give slightly more...
then on the torque limiters to the other rounds do not always give the same percentages why? it may have an imbalance...
then you could do a lot of other calculations on the maf, on the relationship of air to fuel(stoichiometric ratio), then compare the values with those of the turbo and so on but these are things a bit difficult for you and I are the years that the studio...then remembered in the diesel ? that giving diesel the car is more because the diesel was working on the air then you've got to be the most clever of the control unit, instead of gasoline engines ? another question:)
Always clear ake85:). I have changed the values of wide choice, giving values of 6.7 and 10 in percentage, on the turbo I have is increased by 100 points, as in the limiter so I saw that, however, the values in tabular never exceed the values of the limiters that were previously set. For torque limiters to high rpm (about 3700) them down in increments (not the opposite) so no need to have them higher. approve?
don't have to lower it serves nothing at least you know that your turbine supports pressures up to that value and you don't need to lower them you might want to increase more points the turbo and surely you will see a nice difference to this machine...unfortunately, you should know that the ecu thinks according to the stoichiometric ratio, then, if c'? most diesel enter more air and vice versa to ensure that there are less harmful substances...already 70 mg of diesel are so many trusted and would not be able to enter more risks that you smoke and that's it...you could work on the turbo and on the limiters and make up a good couple(the important components are in excellent condition)...
p.s. the one in the map are only the numbers and the changes that you make are letters that she writes to santa claus and not always the one that dreams come true :cool:
in fact, I would not make a chimney! :) and even a car that is reliable in use. I have tried the changes that you told me but I don't understand if I can still push more torque limiters or anyway if I'm going to be very heavy on the clutch flywheel...
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the map is fine but the torque limiter by 3000 rpm onwards by less then 20, 25, and 20 does not tend to rise with the changes in torque higher revs...please make that change and try it...I have done two calculations this turbine could work even at pressures higher but for now it's okay not to overdo it!
I'm sorry, maybe I wrote crap, what I wanted to say ? what I don't understand the data that you have written... that I understood cos?: put 20 in percent by 2000 and increase to 25 to 3000 and then go into decline. perhaps now you understand better what I want to ask you. I realized later of the things that I wrote in the previous post
bravo, do so by 2000 rpm with 20, then 25, and 20, you will see that you will not have problems...
then make me a monument :D
hahahahah ok, thanks. tell me in which city you want to!! :) you are a person who is truly patient and helpful and, above all, prepared.
thank you if I can help I do so with pleasure I am here for this...these things need patience and above all a lot of study thinks, I study documents in English :)
I could feel the days to explain how it works in an engine and, above all, when you edit a map that's why I studied to be strong people, and I still have to learn a lot of things...you'll see that with time you will learn many things:o
You can see that you are a person who knows what he says.. we Hope to learn much more? on this world.. And if you do?' pleasure and want, you ask? other explanations!! Thanks again!
I found the map that restricts fuel injected so if you don't change that you will not give? never the mg that you want to...strange case ecm created by alientech doesn't make you understand anything but then c ? those who understand more of them!!! you can't understand what damage it does to the ecm misses the whole x-axis and y a real hoax;)
Unfortunately I have seen that ecm doesn't help much. especially those who start to do and try to understand, and perhaps even the night, sometimes confused even more? .. And then you say that c ? the map I restricts diesel, but I could find it within the map?
sure only if you raise the rev limiter then you will also have 10-14 mg more and you will see that you will see the differences...everything you see in the map data are ideal, then the actual may be even more and so much more...
I want to clarify two things:
1 the map that ecm calls enrichment and acceleration are maps engine torque in Nm
2 there are maps lambda but ecm ? so a hoax that calls them in another way:o
the limiter diesel is it can be? recognizes from the particular form or location in which you can find in the map? I seem to have understood that often the limiters have a shape sloping. correct me if I say nonsense
the map is after the map IQ but I have loads ecm2001 or you need to work with winols...
but if you want to do a job with the flakes, you should compute the ratio of air to fuel according to the map the MAP and compare it with the turbo pressure and limiter....the numbers do not change in case as do many c ? a logical discourse behind and serves as a risk many problems and do not entrust to the ecm starts to learn how to work with winols
I would trust in winols that I have, but the problem ? that winols definitely ? more complete and precise, but more? complex. I also know that the ideal would be to work with the damos that I have. the various maps I found them on winols, but there are others that unfortunately I do not know what they are unfortunately
you have to start to study the maps in 2d, change the ECU, but the forms are always the ones anyway, the map limitation is after the map IQ post some photos so you say if ? that I want you to you get there alone you need to learn to read the maps the only way you will learn how to map a ecu...there is the manual of winols, even in Italian you have to study I spent my days studying :cool:
I thought about this but I don't know if I say nonsense
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No No ? that ? a map 16x15 16-bit and it contains all the values (limitat IQ), and is located after the map gas oil
Then you have to edit also the SVBL (single value boost limit)this? single value boost limited which is always in the map
I said that with the ecm does not do anything :cool:
I hope I have found I think this is what you mean
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excellent at the end you saw what you did:cool:
you can also modify in 2d, you can give up to 15%...aspect of the monument:cool:
no you have to give higher values of IQ, if the loads on winols you'll see that he values more other in the original map, then if you can turn up the ones your machine will make? the flames, I thank you for the teacher ahaahah
O :) I was thinking a while now. Yesterday night now too much data and a lot of tiredness.. :/ when I get back and I have the map in front of recheck and see what comes out
The limiters I have them raised to 15%. You say, then I should also try svbl or can I not correct?I was just reviewing a p? the whole thing and trying to analyze it with winols.
To raise SVBL you have to do everything a calculation with the ratio of air to fuel,raise the pressure of the turbo, limiters, and then raise the SVBL...
not them you can raise in case you have to make a mathematical reasoning, since they are sensitive...
then, however, given that I would not like to damage I could leave it on cos? or should I still mod those too?
I was thinking that in the map I should also have changed the maps duration, say you bring them back to original or leave it cos?? I know that those maps are well done and not to have problems
in my map I should have changed 5 maps duration, even though I knew they were 6. corregimi if I say nonsense. the soi maps are out of the driver?
the maps SOI ecm not only with winols can't find them, but with those you need to do a calculation that is too exaggerated...
example:
with 60 mg we have a duration of 44? and a SOI 27 BTDC (top dead center)
in the calculations we will have a period of time after the top dead point of 17?...
no no 30% was what I got in response to your message of the svbl!! :)
I would like to try to figure out if I can refine more the map. maps soi still I can't even why? I would like to understand them before working on it. I'm looking for material on the net but I can't find a lot.
Yes I saw that in the little network is. Something right on the forum.. But even them logically don't tell you that much. Logically, why? someone who does this as a profession or passion for this industry has lost it and dedicated a very long time. (the person doing it, seriously). In this period I'm trying to understand something and I saw that for the few things I have figured out (many thanks to you) there I spent several hours and days watching and re-watching maps increases the curves etc.. I Thank you, in fact, that you are very available. you can see from what you type that you have passion and you know what you are saying.
As to your advice I'm organizing with winols and damos. let's see if I can deepen!! :)
here is bravo compare a damos on winols and then watch it on the ecm and you will see that alientech not ? able even to call the driver, is not able to recognize a map pedal, a limiter will confuse you only...
If I were to set limiters what type of pressure equal to the value of the objective should be in recovery?
you have to watch them in 3d or 2d, and start to study all the maps so that you can then recognize them more? easily...with this machine, you could raise a little the turbo why? however, the SVBL ? gi? set to a value high enough compared to the map boost...I suggest you work on your map limiter then IQ limited by MAF and the IQ is limited by MAP...to understand how they work for the builders you should to compare the two maps, one with 130 HP and one with 150 HP and you'll see that the only differences are in the greater quantity? of diesel fuel and higher boost so the more boost, more air and more quantity? diesel fuel that you can burn...and raises a little the map limiter MAF is on the low to high rpm so it will be? more thrust at lower rpm's and more boost, also the high.
Go well quiet you have to raise the pressure of the turbo, otherwise the machine is not able to burn all the fuel that you have given more...all I need to do two calculations, and see, and also gets the SVBL
I imagined why? by my calculations I saw that I have ir? diesel fuel that the turbine is able to burn. One thing I don't understand, I should raise svbl but not ? already high? (2350) Or serves only to not get into recovery to peak turbine?
maybe I did light. :) with the pressure that I have now I should be able to burn on 57mg of diesel oil (52mg if the calculation VE). Correct me if I said hogwash. For what you tell me to lift pressure
If the SVBL ? set at 2350 you can be sure that the maximum pressure tap yes or no to the 2000...the designers develop the machines to last more not to make the best of it!otherwise you have to leave everything original, why? with low air pressure you will never be able to burn those mg more...I said no ? putting the two numbers in case something changes you have to do the calculations...starting from the fact that being a 1.9 aspires 475 mg of air to the cylinder
and then if you are afraid not to do it, I say to you the things as you do and as you change the values of that? with the policy not the case...the diesel works with a ratio of 14:1 then made two calculations, you will see that I am right...the more air you put, the more the ratio AFR ? good the less you put, the more work evil
I trust much of what you say, why? you understand that you do not speak just to say something! I was the only doubt me ? come by neophyte! I tried yesterday to load the map and I noticed that the machine already ? improved a lot and as you have made me the present you definitely is not burning well all the diesel fuel that is throwing!
do one thing open excel and get the map smoke MAP that map that restricts the diesel with the absolute pressure when you're done tell me what and I'll make you see a thing:p
Now they are on the cell.. however, as soon as I return home I do it to the pc, and I tell you.. very curious!! :D
Ok done the excel document!! :)
the map in question must be one that limits the IQ with the engine torque copy all the map data on excel, and then I'll show you something to make you understand how it works, the map
In short, they are an ace with excel! :) I'm trying to make the chart, trying to see what I say.... unfortunately, use openoffice:p
I made the chart, and I found the diagonal, but I don't understand what kind of graph do with the diagonal
you have to make a chart to see that the line of IQ salt and limits IQ up to 316, which would be the limiter torque...only from the curves, you can understand how you can increase or no
Unfortunately, I'm missing out on. I don't know if, in fact, I'm looking at the correct map. Should be the map smoke limiter map if I'm not mistaken
I can not see her, not 80! :(
I know I'm sorry...the map ? the one that limits the fuel according to the torque engine, but not c ? on the ecm that you have found with the screen that you have posted high value I think 72
yes yes I get it now. Now I am trying to use winols and to try to create addresses
very good I like it when someone learns then without that I tell you to see the maps for the hot start maps advances all you'll see
;) The map starting to warm and I know that the egr.. at least those are the first that I have seen
ok then you are already? a good point, there are many other maps to see on that file
I have seen that there have been a few.. Maybe I also identified advances, and duration (but much I still don't know how to mod :( ). First I'm trying to know those who already know trying to understand the meaning of the increments
However, have not yet managed to understand that speech to create the chart.. I'm trying to understand but unfortunately there arrival..
Do you have any other suggestion to make to be able to locate other maps or advice on what to study to be most familiar with this type of map?
hshshh. I'm trying to do calculations... take advantage of my ignorance in this matter :)
that you mean how many mg of diesel... if you mean the one should be 67mg
I know ake85 that I have to study and much! :) I did not understand that value 1094(475*2) I know the value of 475 but I don't understand the 1094. :(
cicciogsr
25-10-2014, 11:09
I'm sorry, how do you relate to the pressure with the flow rate of the air introduced?... the afr can calculate directly from the values measured by the maf but on the contrary you can expect from his table
cicciogsr
25-10-2014, 11:16
that car can? turn with 1150-1200 mg/stroke of air introduced at a certain pressure, then the quantity? you say you inject you have to evaluate how many rpm to make them inject 80 mg of fuel at 4000 rpm, you have a beautiful p? of horses..and not ? easy for him to inject
I take the maximum pressure of the turbo, and since I know how much air enters each cylinder of course I calculation AFR me the calculation well well...if you calculate AFR from the values of the MAF values are the basic I I need to calculate the values mapped:cool:
if the mappo I that machine half-day calculations and see that I do...just compare a 130 and a 150 ivc and see the only differences are the turbo and in the mg diesel...then there are those that give 80 - 100 horses, and many feel, but then you have to see the clutch and flywheel where they end up;)
Differences between 130 and 150 I found injection zoned turbo an overboost and just...something else that I don't know what it is..also the times are the same...instead of the 160 tdi also has very different times
The problem of these machines, unfortunately, are flywheels and clutch that look like chocolate!
cicciogsr
26-10-2014, 17:43
Between the 130 and the 150 changes the turbo, the 150 has the 1754vb and intercooler, front.. All the experiences made on those engines that have edc15p the 105 in question ? a edc16 .. I've done a lot with mod mechanical heavy, and now I have a 140 hp... Log with parameters ori then maps, and check out ... The cv's go out quietly, the clutch and flywheel part on the basis of what you do..
I know but you can't? to deny that they can leave often, and willingly, even without any map, and even after so many miles
cicciogsr
27-10-2014, 14:48
this ? true
Change the duration does not obligate you to change the maps soi?
the map duration was 5 and should be changed twice a...maps of SOI are many more, and only one ? the main one, and not always needed to change it
cicciogsr
01-11-2014, 00:39
If you do not exceed the max iq for which they are designed, the soi does not c'? need
Excuse me, but the maps are the ones at the address 1E6E3E and 1E6FA6 ?
maps N75 and you should not touch them, so as to avoid damage
Thanks ake85 always prepared. :) no I don't know yet how to change them, and the effects then don't try... for now :)
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