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jacktheripper2
24-07-2014, 12:49
Hello to all, I think I have posted yesterday a post that seems to not be pi? this, then, try again to expose a problem that I have with the following the car.Now I can say I know well the edc16, especially the c39, on this for? although I have all the limiters diesel lifted, the lambda lowered that limit, I don't find the deal? diesel and I. From the map I ask 100mm3, the first problem ? that diagnosis over the 90mm3 about the iq must be in the negative, and read-98mm3, and I can't understand why? this, with maps from 90mm3 was not the case, I also do not understand why? it never gets to 100 just, but always 2-3 mm3 in less. Now we come to the main problem, after the 3500 begins to limit the iq, although it should by the various limiters and lambda. Size 85mm3 about fixed, especially from the fourth, of course, the limiters for gear have also been a mod but the problem does not change. What's even more? strange ? that raising the map conversion Nm-iq limited for even less, about 75-80mm3 about. Now, this problem on the 159 with the same engine, and the map is practically identical does not create this problem, the only differences that I found are the maps immediately after the maps pedal. On the 159 are all at 0, both the first two and the following two, on the giulietta, however, are not to 0, on-axis in the first two we find km/h and % throttle and in the map we find the Kw as the value, which comes to a maximum of 150kw. On the two maps still following, who have smepre a similar name, we have % pedal (I seem to remember) and the gear engaged. now in this we have 0-1 and 2-speed gearbox, which are raised to 260-300nm, the curves after are 0. Also the latest maps on the 159 are at 0. May be this series of maps that limit? I'm going crazy why? I can't find anything else that would limit and I would like your opinion.
Thanks to you all for your helpfulness
angelolsp
24-07-2014, 15:27
why don't you try ccopiando that of the 159 and setting it to 0 the differences that you find...
jacktheripper2
24-07-2014, 15:32
Hi Angelo, you can in fact try? also cos? by putting to 0 the maps why? I've tried everything but continue to limit.
angelolsp
24-07-2014, 16:04
if you say that c and the part that is limited to 260-300 nm...and possibly the one with the problem
jacktheripper2
24-07-2014, 16:43
if you say that c and the part that is limited to 260-300 nm...and possibly the one with the problem
Those 260-300nm I gi? try to raise to 500nm, but then from the third gear are 0 from the ori much, so I don't think I have those.
The other maps with the Kw, I also lift up to 180kw, but did not ? served to nothing. The only ? try to put everything to 0 as the 159, even if according to me c'? and for this reason, I wanted an opinion from others who have already? made (to be informed with the most? of 90mm3)
angelolsp
24-07-2014, 17:05
try to reset then even if I think there is something else..
jacktheripper2
25-07-2014, 23:34
Tried to reset the maps and touch other things, but nothing restricts more the fourth. The first seems not to have the time needed then it will be? a few bit strange. I'm going crazy but I****.
Hi jack, I wanted to ask you info about this ecu, because in the family ? I got a. Compared to my GT edc16c39 that good or bad, I think I see juliet ever edc16c39 it seems to me completely different. Compared to my the various maps I seem to be totally different, and at first glance I can't find the same management that I had on my GT. I just have to search better, or actually despite edc16c39 change?
jacktheripper2
26-07-2014, 00:05
The management ? the same. For? something breaks after the 3500 and the ago limit.
The management ? the same. For? something breaks after the 3500 and the ago limit.
In fact, looking good I think I have recovered the location of several maps, I was fooled by the ECM that many of the things the calls in a different way than the GT.
I seem to have found out driver 3 maps for the limiter IQ and 4 for the lambda could be?
jacktheripper2
27-07-2014, 18:40
In fact, looking good I think I have recovered the location of several maps, I was fooled by the ECM that many of the things the calls in a different way than the GT.
I seem to have found out driver 3 maps for the limiter IQ and 4 for the lambda could be?
You exact. The Iq limiters are always the same for? if you trust the driver of the Ecm is not good why? so much wrong all over. You have to scroll all over the map in 2d to understand it well and find everything
You're right, looking at the BP of the various maps nothing do to with what you see from the driver. At most I use it to retrieve the addresses of some of the maps.
Hello, at the end you have solved the problem of the 85mm3? I am also in the same situation. Most of what I can not, even if it is from the map I require a little more.
Hello, at the end you have solved the problem of the 85mm3? I am also in the same situation. Most of what I can not, even if it is from the map I require a little more.
Resolved for over a year, but they are not solutions that do I'm sorry.
Not a problem, and rightly so I understand your choice. It means that if I don't find solutions I will be enough 85mm3 :-) even if after the 3500rpm down a little bit.
Thanks anyway
Resolved for over a year, but they are not solutions that do I'm sorry.
good spirit of collaboration. "applause"
good spirit of collaboration. "applause"
Resolved for over a year, but they are not solutions that do I'm sorry.
Hi Jack, I don't want to have the solution, but if you expose a couple of questions, could you tell me your thought about it?
I trove the map that pertain to advances, which are 5 in sequence, where the first 3 and the last scalatate to 80, and the fourth (I think a post injection) scaled to 85. By doing all the calculations between degrees of advance and duration of injection, I noticed that the rpm 3750 with iq higher than 70, the phase of fuel injection that starts monstrously to be paid in advance. To name just a few:
At 3000 RPM I have a advance for IQ of 80 is about 14 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 19 degrees.
To 3750 RPM, I have an advance for IQ of 80 to about 22.5 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 21 degrees.
At 4000 RPM I get a advance for IQ of 85 to around 28 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 22\23 degrees.
I think I have calculated well the various conversions, if so it may be that the injection is thus anticipated to end at 4\6 degrees before TDC after the after the 3500 RPM for the high IQ? So my problem IQ limited it might be caused by this factor or simply there are maps that limit?
good spirit of collaboration. "applause"
I'm sorry but when one of us slams the head months and months trying to figure out what can be then do not disclose online to the first if not all would be able to do every thing you want in the maps..thing that doesn't seem very correct for the people who work there every day..
Hi Jack, I don't want to have the solution, but if you expose a couple of questions, could you tell me your thought about it?
I trove the map that pertain to advances, which are 5 in sequence, where the first 3 and the last scalatate to 80, and the fourth (I think a post injection) scaled to 85. By doing all the calculations between degrees of advance and duration of injection, I noticed that the rpm 3750 with iq higher than 70, the phase of fuel injection that starts monstrously to be paid in advance. To name just a few:
At 3000 RPM I have a advance for IQ of 80 is about 14 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 19 degrees.
To 3750 RPM, I have an advance for IQ of 80 to about 22.5 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 21 degrees.
At 4000 RPM I get a advance for IQ of 85 to around 28 degrees, while the duration for this IQ is about 22\23 degrees.
I think I have calculated well the various conversions, if so it may be that the injection is thus anticipated to end at 4\6 degrees before TDC after the after the 3500 RPM for the high IQ? So my problem IQ limited it might be caused by this factor or simply there are maps that limit?
Make a log from the stock by selecting the engine rpm, iq main, advance, main and times main injection and you will see well how it works.. However, at 4000 rpm it ends up good or bad at the tdc and just after the 4000 start to finish before tdc
Make a log from the stock by selecting the engine rpm, iq main, advance, main and times main injection and you will see well how it works.. However, at 4000 rpm it ends up good or bad at the tdc and just after the 4000 start to finish before tdc
On my I have 5 maps, the last 4 BP related to IQ are 65 70 75 80. To 70x4000Rpm has advance of 23.5 for a duration of 20, 70x4250Rpm has advance 27, for duration of 21. Going up the last 2 BP (75 and 80) at 4000Rpm I advance of 28 and then from the pb to the previous (3750Rpm begins to climb). The original you are right to say that those rides do not get to more than 70. Anyway, I redid the advances since the 80\85 IQ to get there, at least up to the fourth gear, and, in fact, to equal the IQ of the motor to me seems to rise more quickly. I just went to change where the advance payments were very high, trying to keep me more or less 1\2 degrees before TDC. I don't know if it is correct, as the logic I took inspiration from the map Ori my GT 1900 where the advances ended up about a couple of degrees before TDC, and reading some very interesting discussions on the forum, where you spoke. I hope that as the logic is correct, I would not like to break the engine.
For the fact that the machine limits in the fifth and sixth, I'm doing logs and testing on the maps lambda and on some maps after the request torque to the pedal, I gave a look to that of a 159 with the same engine and I have seen some differences. It seems that in the lower gears do not have the time limit, instead of the more long you. Also, it seems to me (I'm not 100% sure) that the limits of a particular IQ, in fact, in a map that I had as the limit of 85 I restricted to 75 to about 4000Rpm. In another test where I set up the 90 I restricted to 80, but I'm not sure. Can't i do log every day, and perhaps a certain condition changes.
On my I have 5 maps, the last 4 BP related to IQ are 65 70 75 80. To 70x4000Rpm has advance of 23.5 for a duration of 20, 70x4250Rpm has advance 27, for duration of 21. Going up the last 2 BP (75 and 80) at 4000Rpm I advance of 28 and then from the pb to the previous (3750Rpm begins to climb). The original you are right to say that those rides do not get to more than 70. Anyway, I redid the advances since the 80\85 IQ to get there, at least up to the fourth gear, and, in fact, to equal the IQ of the motor to me seems to rise more quickly. I just went to change where the advance payments were very high, trying to keep me more or less 1\2 degrees before TDC. I don't know if it is correct, as the logic I took inspiration from the map Ori my GT 1900 where the advances ended up about a couple of degrees before TDC, and reading some very interesting discussions on the forum, where you spoke. I hope that as the logic is correct, I would not like to break the engine.
For the fact that the machine limits in the fifth and sixth, I'm doing logs and testing on the maps lambda and on some maps after the request torque to the pedal, I gave a look to that of a 159 with the same engine and I have seen some differences. It seems that in the lower gears do not have the time limit, instead of the more long you. Also, it seems to me (I'm not 100% sure) that the limits of a particular IQ, in fact, in a map that I had as the limit of 85 I restricted to 75 to about 4000Rpm. In another test where I set up the 90 I restricted to 80, but I'm not sure. Can't i do log every day, and perhaps a certain condition changes.
Try to make a log ori, with the advances and you'll see the degrees of the real you. However, your reasoning must be good and quiet, not breaking the engine, especially with the iq, the maps after the pedal, the power torque curves, it seems to me.. you can also put them to 0.. not active.
Try to make a log ori, with the advances and you'll see the degrees of the real you. However, your reasoning must be good and quiet, not breaking the engine, especially with the iq, the maps after the pedal, the power torque curves, it seems to me.. you can also put them to 0.. not active.
In these days the heir permitting, I should try some changes on the lambda and I'll try to do here log with map golds for the advance payments. However, already reading the various maps it is clear that in the areas set in advance at 28 degrees we will never :-)
Comparing my map with that of the 159 the same engine, I saw a map that identifies it as a torque limiter to the wheel, it works in the negative, but is active? Or is needed for ABS, VDC... and company?
Try to make a log ori, with the advances and you'll see the degrees of the real you. However, your reasoning must be good and quiet, not breaking the engine, especially with the iq, the maps after the pedal, the power torque curves, it seems to me.. you can also put them to 0.. not active.
Those curves and them after the maps pedal (a map without a BP, and that the damos croma does not report the description right? I have seen moddate into the files of the illustrious preparers (including one paid for mine when I still did not know what it was a map), I confirm that you do not need to anything?
exactly the same problem on a giulietta 2.0 170cv edc16c39
classic limiters iq unlocked (speed , water temperature , engine speed , conditions , etc.)
lim torque rise , pedal ditto , but in 5a and 6a limit always seems to return the original
while up to 3 you hear a huge difference compared to the original...
I have made several log and here is what comes out
the map nm/mm3 is already informed that stock at 4000 rpm and 400nm should give 80mm3, and also that at 4500 rpm, with 400nm must give even 95mm3
now I have these requests in the pedal - values of the limiter - conversion nm/mm3 (iq/nm request) - the values read from the log - gear 3a - 4a - 5a
3000rpm = 425nm - 410nm ---> 85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)85mm3 - (5a) no
3500rpm = 415nm - 410nm ---> 85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)85mm3 - (5a)83mm3
4000rpm = 400nm - 412nm ---> the 83-85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)77mm3 - (5a)74mm3
4500rpm = 430nm - 430nm ---> 95mm3 - (3a)66mm3 - (4a)65mm3 - (5a)63mm3
I hope the schema is clear , then the engine rpm , the value of the pedal , the value of the limiter torque conversion nm/iq - values read from the log in the various gears (3a-4a-5a)
as you can see, it limits frightfully from the 5th onwards , in fact from the impression of being firm
it is almost 1 year that I throw in now , but does not come ac****I put also the file ori and mod with which I read those values
I hope to get ac**** I did a lavorone me in 2d all the maps are in , the various limiters iq according to the conditions etc etc
exactly the same problem on a giulietta 2.0 170cv edc16c39
classic limiters iq unlocked (speed , water temperature , engine speed , conditions , etc.)
lim torque rise , pedal ditto , but in 5a and 6a limit always seems to return the original
while up to 3 you hear a huge difference compared to the original...
I have made several log and here is what comes out
the map nm/mm3 is already informed that stock at 4000 rpm and 400nm should give 80mm3, and also that at 4500 rpm, with 400nm must give even 95mm3
now I have these requests in the pedal - values of the limiter - conversion nm/mm3 (iq/nm request) - the values read from the log - gear 3a - 4a - 5a
3000rpm = 425nm - 410nm ---> 85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)85mm3 - (5a) no
3500rpm = 415nm - 410nm ---> 85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)85mm3 - (5a)83mm3
4000rpm = 400nm - 412nm ---> the 83-85mm3 - (3a)85mm3 - (4a)77mm3 - (5a)74mm3
4500rpm = 430nm - 430nm ---> 95mm3 - (3a)66mm3 - (4a)65mm3 - (5a)63mm3
I hope the schema is clear , then the engine rpm , the value of the pedal , the value of the limiter torque conversion nm/iq - values read from the log in the various gears (3a-4a-5a)
as you can see, it limits frightfully from the 5th onwards , in fact from the impression of being firm
it is almost 1 year that I throw in now , but does not come ac****I put also the file ori and mod with which I read those values
I hope to get ac**** I did a lavorone me in 2d all the maps are in , the various limiters iq according to the conditions etc etc
I also resolved shortly, despite all the limiters you mentioned, the various requests to the pedal, lim, torque and lambda, in the higher gears continues to limit.
I have downloaded again the file but what kind of mod are you doing? Deceived or Informed?
I have downloaded again the file but what kind of mod are you doing? Deceived or Informed?
informed informed... in times inj are already rescaled up to 100mm3 , then we don't need to trick anything to make it go...
and then I would only need to keep 80-85mm3 in 5th and 6th gear and I would be already satisfied to the highest...
in fact, in the 1a-2a-3a-4a, the difference you notice with respect to the file .ori , but in 5a and 6a back to the original , to witness the iq that falls dramatically...
I've given it a deep read in that thread indicated by r5... but nothing "new" found...
the limiters iq that has touched him , are the same that I touched I ... at least so I think , surely there will be something that I do not find or do not attenziono , but I can not find it...
Unlocked all the bits about the IQ.. Done several times as you say without result.. as soon as I sbroccato and I did the test from the crazy, the car was flying... There are limiters scattered also (I think) on the maps to zero with only the BP. Changing everything is unlocked and no damage.
informed informed... in times inj are already rescaled up to 100mm3 , then we don't need to trick anything to make it go...
and then I would only need to keep 80-85mm3 in 5th and 6th gear and I would be already satisfied to the highest...
in fact, in the 1a-2a-3a-4a, the difference you notice with respect to the file .ori , but in 5a and 6a back to the original , to witness the iq that falls dramatically...
when a man with the ECU informed meets a man with the ECU Deceived, the one with the ECU informed is a beaten man.. Sergio Leone ;)
Those curves and them after the maps pedal (a map without a BP, and that the damos croma does not report the description right? I have seen moddate into the files of the illustrious preparers (including one paid for mine when I still did not know what it was a map), I confirm that you do not need to anything?
I'm sorry if I answered more.. no many preparatory to the touch but no use that map immediately after the pedal
In these days the heir permitting, I should try some changes on the lambda and I'll try to do here log with map golds for the advance payments. However, already reading the various maps it is clear that in the areas set in advance at 28 degrees we will never :-)
Comparing my map with that of the 159 the same engine, I saw a map that identifies it as a torque limiter to the wheel, it works in the negative, but is active? Or is needed for ABS, VDC... and company?
The friction torque can also pave 0.. not used to anything
Unlocked all the bits about the IQ.. Done several times as you say without result.. as soon as I sbroccato and I did the test from the crazy, the car was flying... There are limiters scattered also (I think) on the maps to zero with only the BP. Changing everything is unlocked and no damage.
I'm sorry but you're wrong..it's not the solution.. post a log with injected 95mm3 to 5000, for example, in the fifth gear.
informed informed... in times inj are already rescaled up to 100mm3 , then we don't need to trick anything to make it go...
and then I would only need to keep 80-85mm3 in 5th and 6th gear and I would be already satisfied to the highest...
in fact, in the 1a-2a-3a-4a, the difference you notice with respect to the file .ori , but in 5a and 6a back to the original , to witness the iq that falls dramatically...
If you need 80-85mm3.. unlock all to 100mm3. Pedal to 500nm, lim iq 100mm3.. and you'll get your 80-85mm3 that you like, with the higher gears (if the lambda imposed).
Personally, the only things that have not yet managed to resolve on my giulietta are:
Make sure that the dynamic can be even more than 110km/h
Read more than 98mm3 about diagnosis (beyond this iq goes into negative diagnosis, also if it injects what, I ask, by controlling the timing of fuel injection that uses).
Currently has 260cv and 550nm with the turbine original premium. With the original turbo, I came to 230cv about.
when a man with the ECU informed meets a man with the ECU Deceived, the one with the ECU informed is a beaten man.. Sergio Leone ;)
Ahahahha.
Do you know how to distinguish the two in the crowd?
If you need 80-85mm3.. unlock all to 100mm3. Pedal to 500nm, lim iq 100mm3.. and you'll get your 80-85mm3 that you like, with the higher gears (if the lambda imposed).
Personally, the only things that have not yet managed to resolve on my giulietta are:
Make sure that the dynamic can be even more than 110km/h
Read more than 98mm3 about diagnosis (beyond this iq goes into negative diagnosis, also if it injects what, I ask, by controlling the timing of fuel injection that uses).
Currently has 260cv and 550nm with the turbine original premium. With the original turbo, I came to 230cv about.
wait a minute... jack .... = james... I only know 1 james has a juliet with 260cv and turbine golds and bigger, I really think is you ahah
nice to see you here
and congratulations indeed for the work carried out on your juliet now (and gp before ...)
that said, I have already all the iq unlocked , the pedal at 500nm the signal is set only at a high rpm for the clutch loose as you know but despite this I can't seem to get there... maybe it will be the lambda for sure , but I would not say a wrong thing...
the only question I have , is after the panettone egr, a little more forward , there are maps with axes rpm - iq and in the axes values that seem to be % of the pedal
in other mod that I have seen , these values were taken at about 9000 , but I don't understand the link...
why gold my are about 6500-6000 and ori the 2.0 injects 77mm3 to 4 thousand rpm...
may be instead of limiters % pedal? limit the pedal , thereby lowering the iq? in this case, these values should be brought up to 8192 = 100% pedal , right?
Set lambda to 1 from 1500 to 4500 and make a map informed, and you can't go wrong. If you cut you omitted a few bits. You many want to unlock this ECU, and not just the classics that are used on the 8v.
Scroll the map and see the bit about the IQ that you default on the limiters known. The ones you have to unlock definitely.
I have already done work on this ECU, and also on the 147 with the same problem and I solved it so..
the only question I have , is after the panettone egr, a little more forward , there are maps with axes rpm - iq and in the axes values that seem to be % of the pedal
in other mod that I have seen , these values were taken at about 9000 , but I don't understand the link...
why gold my are about 6500-6000 and ori the 2.0 injects 77mm3 to 4 thousand rpm...
may be instead of limiters % pedal? limit the pedal , thereby lowering the iq? in this case, these values should be brought up to 8192 = 100% pedal , right?
You are I, with James, with the giulietta and the gp (which I still have and is the week I put back in the bike with the engine full mod and ready to 400cv :cool:)
Set lambda to 1 from 1500 to 4500 and make a map informed, and you can't go wrong. If you cut you omitted a few bits. You many want to unlock this ECU, and not just the classics that are used on the 8v.
Scroll the map and see the bit about the IQ that you default on the limiters known. The ones you have to unlock definitely.
I have already done work on this ECU, and also on the 147 with the same problem and I solved it so..
8v or 16v with edc16c39, nothing changes the limiters iq are always those, and there are individual bits to unlock but they are all maps.
You have worked on this ecu (edc16c39+ cf5) but on that car? Because that limits on the 2.0 170, for example on the 2.0 140 bhp there is.. With lambda 1 and turbo the stock, however, 100mm3 them not holding up to 4500 rpm if I remember well but is a little less.. I think the face on the 1150mg at 4500 rpm with the turbo stock with 0.1 and intercooler original then we are on the 93mm3 to those rides.
The main difference in the mechanics between 170 and 140cv resides in the turbine gtb1446vz on 140cv and gtb1549 on 170cv... So you are telling me that I have to search for this decline of iq in the maps turbo?
8v or 16v with edc16c39, nothing changes the limiters iq are always those, and there are individual bits to unlock but they are all maps.
You have worked on this ecu (edc16c39+ cf5) but on that car? Because that limits on the 2.0 170, for example on the 2.0 140 bhp there is.. With lambda 1 and turbo the stock, however, 100mm3 them not holding up to 4500 rpm if I remember well but is a little less.. I think the face on the 1150mg at 4500 rpm with the turbo stock with 0.1 and intercooler original then we are on the 93mm3 to those rides.
Of course, from 2500 to 4500, the decline in iq and in proportion to the pressure drop in the turbo stechio.. anyway, the limiters are not mirror ammeno that are not map undefined in the view my and can be.. I am not an expert, but I have only mapped a giulietta 170cv that a 147 ducati corse, and the limiters of the 8v were not enough to unlock the iq
Of course, from 2500 to 4500, the decline in iq and in proportion to the pressure drop in the turbo stechio.. anyway, the limiters are not mirror ammeno that are not map undefined in the view my and can be.. I am not an expert, but I have only mapped a giulietta 170cv that a 147 ducati corse, and the limiters of the 8v were not enough to unlock the iq
I will tell you that the limiters iq are the same. Do you have a log in fourth gear in which to inject more than 90mm3 at high rpm?
The main difference in the mechanics between 170 and 140cv resides in the turbine gtb1446vz on 140cv and gtb1549 on 170cv... So you are telling me that I have to search for this decline of iq in the maps turbo?
Change enough things between 140 and 170 and don't fixate only on the things that give performance also.
However, it also changes the head between the two, I've made some 140 with turbo, 170 and the amount of air between the two is quite evident
8v or 16v with edc16c39, nothing changes the limiters iq are always those, and there are individual bits to unlock but they are all maps.
You have worked on this ecu (edc16c39+ cf5) but on that car? Because that limits on the 2.0 170, for example on the 2.0 140 bhp there is.. With lambda 1 and turbo the stock, however, 100mm3 them not holding up to 4500 rpm if I remember well but is a little less.. I think the face on the 1150mg at 4500 rpm with the turbo stock with 0.1 and intercooler original then we are on the 93mm3 to those rides.
However, as you say, I seem to understand that ****llo hardware, there is a difference and that is the cause of this problem of decrease in IQ in 4-5-6 gear. However, this does not mean that the maps change are different between the 140 and 170, may be that on the 140 are not active maps and 170 and is therefore limited. I understood well or am I wrong?
I meant the 120cv 8v I have understood you correctly and you said a reality of the facts.
Log NW I only have my 8v that comes a little more than 85 to 4500 from 2500 to 100.
Anyway, limiters or not, the resolution is the one mentioned above and the facts speak for themselves.
However, as you say, I seem to understand that ****llo hardware, there is a difference and that is the cause of this problem of decrease in IQ in 4-5-6 gear. However, this does not mean that the maps change are different between the 140 and 170, may be that on the 140 are not active maps and 170 and is therefore limited. I understood well or am I wrong?
Is exact on the 140 is not active
I meant the 120cv 8v I have understood you correctly and you said a reality of the facts.
Log NW I only have my 8v that comes a little more than 85 to 4500 from 2500 to 100.
Anyway, limiters or not, the resolution is the one mentioned above and the facts speak for themselves.
The limiters on all the edc16c39 are the same, only that on the 170 there is one thing that restricts that on the other there is
The limiters on all the edc16c39 are the same, only that on the 170 there is one thing that restricts that on the other there is
The problem is that there is not the damos to give himself a hand... One of chroma seen and reviewed, idem 159 but nothing that....
On ori 140 and 170 and the present, then one is also doing a comparison of ' find the differences...
Each solution is precluded....
According to me instead of on the damos of the Chroma there is.... I would just like to have confirmation from jack
The problem is that there is not the damos to give himself a hand... One of chroma seen and reviewed, idem 159 but nothing that....
On ori 140 and 170 and the present, then one is also doing a comparison of ' find the differences...
Each solution is precluded....
also I did more tests looking for differences between the various file 159, Giulietta, 140CV, and 170CV, but without positive results. Then the map which limits it is present in all but is only active on 170CV. It becomes a bit of a problem back.
The only difference I noticed in the various log that I did with MES on my giulietta was that when the temperature of the dpf was under the 300\400° it seems to me that limited less.
also I did more tests looking for differences between the various file 159, Giulietta, 140CV, and 170CV, but without positive results. Then the map which limits it is present in all but is only active on 170CV. It becomes a bit of a problem back.
The only difference I noticed in the various log that I did with MES on my giulietta was that when the temperature of the dpf was under the 300\400° it seems to me that limited less.
this thing of the temperatures of the probe fap the ìi noticed as well as I sincerely , and not only via the mes, but right at the foot...
try a nice pull and then again in 3rd gear , does not give you more than beating an typical pair of files .mod
According to me instead of on the damos of the Chroma there is.... I would just like to have confirmation from jack
No on the a2l of the croma there is no you need the one of the edc16c39 cf5, which I think is also online now.
I bought it with friends almost 2 years ago.
No on the a2l of the croma there is no you need the one of the edc16c39 cf5, which I think is also online now.
I bought it with friends almost 2 years ago.
I do not find it online completely... only the chroma edc16c39 and 159 2.4 jtdm
"$1C17FA";"Drivers wish";"16x16"
"$1C1A3E";"Drivers wish";"16x16"
"$1C1C82";"Drivers wish";"16x16"
"$1C1EC6";"Drivers wish";"16x16"
"$1C210A";"Drivers wish";"16x16"
"$1C234E";"Drivers wish";"16x16"
"$1C257E";"Drivers wish";"9x13"
"$1C27C2";"Drivers wish";"9x13"
"$1C4C04";"EGR";"16x16"
"$1D5662";"Friction torque";"16x16"
"$1D5934";"EGT limiter";"8x8"
"$1D5E24";"Temp limiter";"8x8"
"$1D5EE8";"IQ limiter";"16x16"
"$1D73C8";"Smoke limiter ";"16x16"
"$1D829A";"Nm to IQ";"16x16"
"$1D7A98";"Smoke limiter ";"16x16"
"$1D7854";"Smoke limiter ";"16x16"
"$1D760C";"Smoke limiter ";"16x16"
"$1C693C";"EGR hysteresis";"25x1"
"$1C69A2";"EGR hysteresis";"25x1"
"$1C6A08";"EGR hysteresis";"25x1"
"$1C6A6E";"EGR hysteresis";"25x1"
"$1C6AD4";"EGR hysteresis";"25x1"
"$1C6B3A";"EGR hysteresis";"25x1"
"$1CAF10";"IQ limiter 100mm3";"16x1"
"$1CAFA6";"Torque limiter 500Nm";"25x1"
"$1D5A0E";"Torque limiter limp mode";"25x1"
"$1D5AB0";"Torque limiter";"25x1"
"$1D5B16";"Torque limiter 500Nm";"25x1"
"$1D5B7C";"Torque limiter 100mm3";"25x1"
"$1D5BE2";"Torque limiter";"25x1"
"$1D612C";"Speed IQ limiter";"16x16"
"$1F9C6E";"Speed limiter";"1x1"
"$1FC6A2";"Rail linearisation";"4x1"
"$1D8B0A";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8B48";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8B86";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8BC4";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8C02";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8C40";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8C7E";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8CBE";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"16x1"
"$1D8D00";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"16x1"
"$1D8D42";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8D84";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8DC2";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8E00";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8E3E";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8E7C";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8EBA";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8EF8";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8F36";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8F74";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8FB2";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D8FF0";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D902E";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D906C";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D90AA";"Gear limiter 100mm3";"15x1"
"$1D90C8";"Single value IQ limiters?";"1x1"
"$1DA0D4";"Temp IQ limiter";"8x8"
"$1DA098";"IQ limiter 100mm3";"12x1"
"$1DB490";"SOI";"16x16"
"$1DB6D4";"SOI";"16x16"
"$1DB918";"SOI";"16x16"
"$1DBB5C";"SOI";"16x16"
"$1DBDA0";"SOI";"16x16"
"$1ECC76";"Duration";"20x20"
"$1DD0C0";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DD304";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DD548";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DD78C";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DD9D0";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DDC14";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DDE58";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DE09C";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DE2E0";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1DE524";"Pre-SOI";"16x16"
"$1FC8E4";"Cranking IQ";"16x16"
"$1FBD44";"Rail pressure";"16x16"
"$1FC0DE";"Temp rail limiter";"8x8"
"$1FC18C";"Rail limiter";"8x12"
"$1FB744";"Rail pressure";"16x16"
"$1FB500";"Rail pressure";"16x16"
"$1FAEF6";"Maximum rail deviation";"16x1"
"$1FADDC";"Maximum rail deviation";"16x1"
"$1FAD30";"SVRL";"1x1"
"$1FADB0";"SVRL";"1x1"
"$1FAEA8";"SVRL";"1x1"
"$1FACCC";"SVRL";"1x1"
"$1FACCE";"SVRL";"1x1"
"$1FAF60";"SVRL";"1x1"
"$1FB3C8";"SVRL";"1x1"
"$1F9716";"Inversed drivers wish";"16x16"
"$1F3F7E";"Turbo";"16x16"
"$1F41C2";"Turbo";"16x16"
"$1F4406";"Turbo";"16x16"
"$1F2246";"N75";"16x16"
"$1F1D7A";"N75";"16x16"
"$1F1B36";"N75";"16x16"
"$1F468C";"Atm turbo limiter";"16x16"
"$1F488C";"SVBL";"1x1"
"$1F48D4";"Turbo (inactive)";"16x16"
"$1F4B18";"Turbo (inactive)";"16x16"
"$1F4D5C";"Turbo (inactive)";"16x16"
"$1FD4A8";"Swirl flaps";"16x16"
"$1FD264";"Swirl flaps";"16x16"
here are the maps of the edc16c39 CF5 that I found online regarding the file of a fiat sedici 2.0 multijet 135cv
Itself adding also the file ori you did a top job..
Itself adding also the file ori you did a top job..
I was going to say the same thing.....between all the we will find the way to unlock is iq
You can just load the file of that map list
here is the file as promised... a beautiful gift in the hope of solving this problem...
Good info..
To-day I should make myself a Giulietta 170cv maybe I'll test it a little..
here is the file as promised... a beautiful gift in the hope of solving this problem...
Great, and since we both noticed that the increase of temp on the DPF something changes, I throw an eye on:
"$1D5934";"EGT limiter";"8x8"
"$1D5E24";"Temp limiter";"8x8"
Great, and since we both noticed that the increase of temp on the DPF something changes, I throw an eye on:
"$1D5934";"EGT limiter";"8x8"
"$1D5E24";"Temp limiter";"8x8"
egt limiter in my file I have 2 , divided according to the temperatures of the fap
1 goes from 100°c to 400°c and does not restrict anything (value pedal 8192=100%)
2 goes from 650°C to 1000°C, and limits the pedal over 3500 rpm
egt limiter in my file I have 2 , divided according to the temperatures of the fap
1 goes from 100°c to 400°c and does not restrict anything (value pedal 8192=100%)
2 goes from 650°C to 1000°C, and limits the pedal over 3500 rpm
I think I have found them I also, just for comparison, the values of the axis of the temperatures are in the clear with no conversion factor?
On the file you posted on page 4, that of the Giulietta TCT (I guess your) the address in question is 1C7418.
Reasoning about the values, only between 900 and 950 degrees allows the 100%. Before and after reduces the find the 20% of the request. It is also, for you as a reasoning?
You in theory should be so...
As usual, 9 downloads and no comments.. Perhaps it was better not to share the map list files and saw that no one cooperates
You in theory should be so...
As usual, 9 downloads and no comments.. Perhaps it was better not to share the map list files and saw that no one cooperates
Sad statement .....not everyone can sit around all day studying maps....when one can put....*****s sincerely in the addresses posted I do not see anything that would restrict the iq in the higher gears.....we are at the address of the sixteen 1F74CC a series of limiters 25x1 with the axis, the iq (I am sure by damos chroma) . In the €5 there are many more for regeneration may act in this way....you should try it. However, in my opinion, you should try some limiter that has the axis, the speed of the wheels
Rather, I would try these that I have already noticed yesterday in the damos croma I attach an img
And then??? Have you found something about the address that I told? What do you think??
And then??? Have you found something about the address that I told? What do you think??
But the addresses you posted are referring to the map of the fiat 16? In the screen I read 1x1, then it is a single bit?
But the addresses you posted are referring to the map of the fiat 16? In the screen I read 1x1, then it is a single bit?
As said, the address of the range of lim 25x1 refer to the file sixteen of the map list. While the screen are the damos croma, just search the same area on the vs file. Those are related to the ratio Nm/Km / h and there is only if I'm not mistaken, 4th and 5th gear. If 6th is not limiting you, then, are those
hello errecinque, I don't have the file to croma and I can not find those two addresses in the file the 16, can you post a sceen with the images of the area, or if you know the address on file 16 that I want to check, thanks.
As said, the address of the range of lim 25x1 refer to the file sixteen of the map list. While the screen are the damos croma, just search the same area on the vs file. Those are related to the ratio Nm/Km / h and there is only if I'm not mistaken, 4th and 5th gear. If 6th is not limiting you, then, are those
limited to climb rpm's and not so much related to the speed... limit in the 4th-5th-6th gear , so I don't think they are those indicated by the damos
I apologize but I don't have much time , between the university and other commitments...
hello errecinque, I don't have the file to croma and I can not find those two addresses in the file the 16, can you post a sceen with the images of the area, or if you know the address on file 16 that I want to check, thanks.
Hello Ugo, then in the files of the SIXTEEN zone is 1f9c28 to 1f9c60. the damos from the values in display 32-bit I enclose a screen
Hello Ugo, then in the files of the SIXTEEN zone is 1f9c28 to 1f9c60. the damos from the values in display 32-bit I enclose a screen
I gave a look in the files of the sixteen but I don't understand how interpetrarli... I'm sorry ...
Guys, there are scervellando but you are always out of the way. You have to first of all find the a2l of5 if not me you will never ****.
However, small note, the limiters by gear are in Nm and not in mm3, the svrl mentioned are too many, only 5, and some of the sti 5 are not even active.
There is no bit of limtazione iq on edc16c39.
Guys, there are scervellando but you are always out of the way. You have to first of all find the a2l of€5 if not me you will never ****.
However, small note, the limiters by gear are in Nm and not in mm3, the svrl mentioned are too many, only 5, and some of the sti 5 are not even active.
There is no bit of limtazione iq on edc16c39.
4 days I also try in forum foreign and I can't find anything...
I'm stepping stone...I have the same problems on a bravo 2.0 165cv
I'm stepping stone...I have the same problems on a bravo 2.0 165cv
the topic is inherent in the giulietta.. open a post dedicated
Guys, there are scervellando but you are always out of the way. You have to first of all find the a2l of€5 if not me you will never ****.
However, small note, the limiters by gear are in Nm and not in mm3, the svrl mentioned are too many, only 5, and some of the sti 5 are not even active.
There is no bit of limtazione iq on edc16c39.
I've tried to make other tests by changing the maps related to the temp. EGT: we were talking about on page 7. However I have not been able to try with a log because of a failure on the pc, but the feeling does not seem to have changed anything.
Jack sorry for the ignorance, but that is A2L???
I've tried to make other tests by changing the maps related to the temp. EGT: we were talking about on page 7. However I have not been able to try with a log because of a failure on the pc, but the feeling does not seem to have changed anything.
Jack sorry for the ignorance, but that is A2L???
A2l = damos winols
A2l = damos winols
Then the posted by bmw320cd relative to the map of the fiat 16 euro 5 is not good?
It would be more correct to say that a2l are asap2 me three ols damos but practical factors change relatively.
You enter on the system and making distinctions, but they are always indexes of maps
Not I opened, but it will have similarities to the areas but it is not on the Giulietta so it is rough I think
Not I opened, but it will have similarities to the areas but it is not on the Giulietta so it is rough I think
Ah Ok, thanks for the illumination :-)
I still don't find the damos edc16c39 e5 type juliet....
If the fiat bravo or similar, the important thing is that both of edc16c39 cf5. Then the areas are the same and are
I still don't find the damos edc16c39 e5 type juliet....
The damos is always chroma
the topic is inherent in the giulietta.. open a post dedicated
The ecu is the same so pointless to have 2 posts that talk about the same topic.
The damos is always chroma
I were croma 5 .....I knew that the eighth note is dead in the 4
I were croma 5 .....I knew that the eighth note is dead in the 4
Is exact, but the damos I have always like chrome even if it is a 5
No news?
I'm still losing my head, I looked for the maps in which refers to the percentage of 8192, but there is crazy. I also tried to find the differences between the 140CV and the 170CV as he had advised Jack, but where if we talk about it we always refer to the turbo, head, etc etc.
Hi gpoint state that you are not an espe
Sorry, but I posted by mistake here I repeat what I was saying.
I have to say that I am not an expert but a beginner, but if as you say we have differences hw ****l head, turbo etc etc means that we are talking about a difference of air mass sucked...you fail to retrieve a log of entrambè versions?I would not say a joke,but the mass air flow sensor is the same? Able to read the actual air intake, or differs in scope" than the version of 170 hp? Possible there is some difference also in the sw on the management of mass air?
Sorry, but I posted by mistake here I repeat what I was saying.
I have to say that I am not an expert but a beginner, but if as you say we have differences hw ****l head, turbo etc etc means that we are talking about a difference of air mass sucked...you fail to retrieve a log of entrambè versions?I would not say a joke,but the mass air flow sensor is the same? Able to read the actual air intake, or differs in scope" than the version of 170 hp? Possible there is some difference also in the sw on the management of mass air?
none of it came more to ****? I now there I have almost lost hope , it seems to be a secret, shameful...
let us be in private
No problem, but I can not find the way to send you a MP, I would not that are disabled, alternatives?
No problem, but I can not find the way to send you a MP, I would not that are disabled, alternatives?
the MP are disabled, in any case I think that if there is something to know and better to talk about it here, not in private.
Looking for some info on the usual problem, I read of a TORQUE MONITOR is present on the EDC17C49\69. Given that a few pages back it was said that the map in question is present on the EDC17 but also on these EDC16C39+ €5, someone knows something more about this TORQUE MONITOR?
Looking for some info on the usual problem, I read of a TORQUE MONITOR is present on the EDC17C49\69. Given that a few pages back it was said that the map in question is present on the EDC17 but also on these EDC16C39+ €5, someone knows something more about this TORQUE MONITOR?
I the only one that I found would be a torque limiter in the negative , but has been explained to me by the same jackripper that also paving to 0 does not change anything
Looking for some info on the usual problem, I read of a TORQUE MONITOR is present on the EDC17C49\69. Given that a few pages back it was said that the map in question is present on the EDC17 but also on these EDC16C39+ €5, someone knows something more about this TORQUE MONITOR?
The torque monitoring doesn't matter and is present on virtually all edc17
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