Deepening Siemens SID

[matech]

Since the files section the petrol you ? very spiced with the study of any map interesting, I would like to propose here a study on the ECU Siemens SIDXXX, that does not seem to be very well-known...

The reference file may be mine as well :) if it's okay with you:

https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=473&d=1341697061

I limit myself for the moment to give you some inspiration with practical assessments, given that they are a practical person ;D

04699A: and following, the RAIL PRESSURE. Works differently from the ecu Bosch, in the sense that it never reaches the maximum pressure set (in the mod) unless you also modify other maps, such as the Driver's Wish. On one of the two c'? a maximum peak pressure, that I, for now, I have not passed. I still don't know if the flat part next to the map ? a limiter.

04CC8E: TIME OF INJECTION. What I realized ? the drivers do not say it right: according to me the characteristic parameters are rpm and load. Or at least the rpm does not increase by scrolling the map to the right. rather I would see related to the rail pressure, the breaks relating to decreasing pressures by scrolling to the right. It is a map that, however, its effects in terms of change.

04DA4C: LIM. PAIR. On certain SID li is also located in the area immediately following, 04DAE4 for example (What ? brought to the max, beyond a certain point)

05146E: DRIVER WISH. They do not need presentations :D Make your dreams become reality!

0558E0: TURBO PRESSURE. curious to see how the Volvo at the time of release the map give pressure! And you feel, in fact... (I have raised, even if perhaps it was fumosit? in riaccelerazioni...)

055BEO: CORRECTION PRESSURE TURBO. Some drivers also say limiter. On Ford and PSA are also big differences on this map, but not on the next.

05B3DC: TURBO PRESSURE. I don't know if it is a direct management of the VNT why? just small increments to vary the boost pressure.

05D7E8: LIM. PAIR.




I seem to have given you ideas not indifferent, but as for those, who understand us? ? nothing I will stop here, and I hope to discuss with you many of the other maps on which I have serious doubts. You submit the addresses and see if we can find!

My black beast are the ADVANCES of the beginning of the INJECTION. I was not able to find them, and since the problem of these engines ? the fumosit?, are two things:
-have an internal fluid dynamics me***
-are a little "advance" and do not fail to properly burn the fuel injected with maps, "mod"

Good study

[mavaila1972]

Since the files section the petrol you ? very spiced with the study of any map interesting, I would like to propose here a study on the ECU Siemens SIDXXX, that does not seem to be very well-known...

The reference file may be mine as well :) if it's okay with you:

https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=473&d=1341697061

I limit myself for the moment to give you some inspiration with practical assessments, given that they are a practical person ;D

04699A: and following, the RAIL PRESSURE. Works differently from the ecu Bosch, in the sense that it never reaches the maximum pressure set (in the mod) unless you also modify other maps, such as the Driver's Wish. On one of the two c'? a maximum peak pressure, that I, for now, I have not passed. I still don't know if the flat part next to the map ? a limiter.

04CC8E: TIME OF INJECTION. What I realized ? the drivers do not say it right: according to me the characteristic parameters are rpm and load. Or at least the rpm does not increase by scrolling the map to the right. rather I would see related to the rail pressure, the breaks relating to decreasing pressures by scrolling to the right. It is a map that, however, its effects in terms of change.

04DA4C: LIM. PAIR. On certain SID li is also located in the area immediately following, 04DAE4 for example (What ? brought to the max, beyond a certain point)

05146E: DRIVER WISH. They do not need presentations :D Make your dreams become reality!

0558E0: TURBO PRESSURE. curious to see how the Volvo at the time of release the map give pressure! And you feel, in fact... (I have raised, even if perhaps it was fumosit? in riaccelerazioni...)

055BEO: CORRECTION PRESSURE TURBO. Some drivers also say limiter. On Ford and PSA are also big differences on this map, but not on the next.

05B3DC: TURBO PRESSURE. I don't know if it is a direct management of the VNT why? just small increments to vary the boost pressure.

05D7E8: LIM. PAIR.




I seem to have given you ideas not indifferent, but as for those, who understand us? ? nothing I will stop here, and I hope to discuss with you many of the other maps on which I have serious doubts. You submit the addresses and see if we can find!

My black beast are the ADVANCES of the beginning of the INJECTION. I was not able to find them, and since the problem of these engines ? the fumosit?, are two things:
-have an internal fluid dynamics me***
-are a little "advance" and do not fail to properly burn the fuel injected with maps, "mod"

Good study

Exact just after the map of the 2 rail pressure to find the limiter

[pinotec]

05146E not and drivers wish
05D7E8 not, and a torque limiter
the limiters rail are 2 this is not to salt the prex max
for the rest is missing lots of stuff to walk properly these sid803/a

[pasquale78]

05146E not and drivers wish
05D7E8 not, and a torque limiter
the limiters rail are 2 this is not to salt the prex max
for the rest is missing lots of stuff to walk properly these sid803/a

:cool: and rightly, I have gone before us.
I leave you the word that you're er magician of the 803!:p

[pinotec]

no paska' but what magician... and that I have done many tests having my car which features sid 803... and then, also thanks to the aid of friends a little something including the

[mavaila1972]

05146E not and drivers wish
05D7E8 not, and a torque limiter
the limiters rail are 2 this is not to salt the prex max
for the rest is missing lots of stuff to walk properly these sid803/a

4da4e lim pair that you say?

[mavaila1972]

05146E not and drivers wish
05D7E8 not, and a torque limiter
the limiters rail are 2 this is not to salt the prex max
for the rest is missing lots of stuff to walk properly these sid803/a

limiters prex rail 46ee2 and 4728a:p

[magi1984]

Driver Wish ? 061EC4 and 0620BC
I await confirmation why? am still a beginner but I am sure almost 100%

[mavaila1972]

4da4e lim pair that you say?

drive wish look 32768:p

[mavaila1972]

Driver Wish ? 061EC4 and 0620BC
I await confirmation why? am still a beginner but I am sure almost 100%

bravo to them!

[matech]

Well, apparently the thread of study on that famous forum abroad there has got a jot :-D

in summary:

4DA4E LIM. PAIR
04699A RAIL
046EE2 - 04228A LIM. RAIL

061EC4 and the following DRIVERS WISH

04CC8E INJECTION TIME


So far everything is correct?
I'm not convinced of the DW, I tried to tap the maps and I only got smoke. I put my hand on fire that they were the ones I posted. And at this point, 05146 what are they?!

Then c'? 052398, which from what I understand should have to see with the rail...

Makes me pacere, however, all of this participation :D

[magi1984]

all are able to give increments on the maps (that we do more? or less well ? another story), the difficult ? knowing how to recognize the maps, since often the driver of the ecm are incorrect or incomplete on certain types of ecu

[sa80libero]

these sids are still annoying to be processed....:rolleyes:

[msport (exil77grande)]

I agree, I would say that the siemens are quite a bit different, and I believe that only those who possess the have really studied.

[matech]

and advances the injection where do they hide?

[mavaila1972]

and advances the injection where do they hide?

those you do not know them, but to make a good map does not serve

[matech]

My often tends to smoking, and using increments that never exceed the 5%!

Ah, about the DW: I convinced the rest of the address I posted. Among other things, those series have a trend differs between them, and us? it warns of the response on the pedal, gears higher it becomes more of? immediate. I tried to do copy and paste and put them all the same, and the "pedal" always maintains a constant response.

The ones you mentioned seem to me to be the pi? conversion tables torque-injection

[mavaila1972]

My often tends to smoking, and using increments that never exceed the 5%!

Ah, about the DW: I convinced the rest of the address I posted. Among other things, those series have a trend differs between them, and us? it warns of the response on the pedal, gears higher it becomes more of? immediate. I tried to do copy and paste and put them all the same, and the "pedal" always maintains a constant response.

The ones you mentioned seem to me to be the pi? conversion tables torque-injection

I'd do a bit of order, we map the time of injection with the addresses
Injection time ind. 4CC8E - 4CFEE

[matech]

in summary:

4DA4E LIM. PAIR
04699A RAIL
046EE2 - 04228A LIM. RAIL

061EC4 and the following DRIVERS WISH

04CC8E INJECTION TIME



Here is recapitulated, with the only doubt I have on DW you mentioned, that according to me are converting torque-amount? injected

corcordo with the times of injection. and I would add (to the contrary of what is said by the drivers, that idicano a regime) that the first break in 2d according to me to correspond to the pressure rail more.

[carmat70]

I would like to participate in the discussion, to? finch? I don't have 50 msg I can not save the file to analyze.
As soon as I can, the drain and the study.

Hello

[msport (exil77grande)]

I would like to participate in the discussion, to? finch? I don't have 50 msg I can not save the file to analyze.
As soon as I can, the drain and the study.

Hello


I'm sorry, but if it is so useless that I write and it seems to me that it is not the first time,there are dozens of other discussions where you don't have to have to download something to participate in, so if you are active them soon reach the 50 posts useful.

[matech]

What has been said so far:

4DA4E: torque limiter
4699A and following: rail pressure, and immediately after the two limiters.
05146E: driver's wish (according to me)
04CC8E: injection times

Add the meat to the fire, on which I ask for your opinion
047D66: ??


0558E0: turbo Pressure tested.
05D3BC: turbo Pressure tested. Map "sensitive"! :-)
055BEO: pressure Limiter f(?)
056294: Conversion NM/IQ ?
056684: Controls the EGR
0566F8: ??

What disturbs me these motors ? that according to me are SMOKING. If someone knows how to make them go well without them smoke ? please unravel the mystery...obviously not touch the maps right, even if by now I have tried everything.
What I'd be looking for, and on which I hope, are the maps of the advances of injection: I have the impression that they are low, and therefore the combustion is not done well, as soon as you increase the flow rate of the diesel fuel.
I seem to have found a 05E058 advances, but I think that's the main map!

Thanks again to those who participate ;-)

[msport (exil77grande)]

Hello,you say that you smoke, but exactly how and when,I have made a little less than the bosch, but I've made, and Not a few, and this smoke exaggerated I have ever seen, possibly, we can analyze a ori + mod if you like.

[matech]

I have done a focus without FAP already? of the series, and my which ? the state raised the FAP.

On the focus I had to limit the increases (maximum 5%) why? otherwise, he smoked a lot at full load.

On mine, instead, tends to smoke at partial loads, during "normal" driving conditions. At full load ? very acceptable instead.

Tomorrow place the mod with the other PC's cos? let's see if something wrong...

[garret]

guys, if I can say to my to limit the fumosit? you have to act on the mechanics, changing the air filter and changing the turbo pressure manually even why? on models up to 2008 using the map does not ? possible, due to the meccanicit? of the turbine, mine goes strong and smokes a little, I am talking about fiesta 1.4 tdci for the other I don't know

[pinotec]

0566F8 maps are inherent to the management of fap and are used only when the place where the regenerations
05D7EC have you forgotten ? :)

*garrett
here we talk about the 2.0 136cv and variable geometry managed electronically on the ford/peugeot/volvo even before the 2008
anyway, even if your 1.4 tdci turbo and mechanical.. the maps limiter turbo there are.

[garret]

[matech]

0566F8 maps are inherent to the management of fap and are used only when the place where the regenerations
05D7EC have you forgotten ? :)


05d7ec I put it as a limiter on the first post, but I was proved wrong! So I have removed from the list.
at this point I raise instead 0566f8, that on certain driver is brought by the ecm as an injection...

[matech]

Update:

04DA4E torque Limiter
05D7EC torque Limiter

04699A rail Pressure (and following)
046EE2 Lim prex rail
04228A Lim prex rail

05146E DW

04CC8E Injection Time (the question remains on the axes, if someone wants to say that...)


I continued to study with:

0558E0:

Turbo pressure (MAP)
Conversion factor: 0,0829175
axes: scheme( 850-1000-1250-1500............4500)
the required torque

055AE0 & 055B60
Limiters MAP (the same factor of the previous one)

055BE0
Limiter MAP as a function of the ambient pressure
Axes: scheme(750-800-1000-1250-1500-........4500)
p.atm (600-700-800-850-900-950-975-1000)

055CE0
Limiter MAP as a function of temp.
axes: the regime (as above)
degrees (0-10-15-20-25-30-40-60)


056294 (and following)
quantity? injected, as a function of speed and torque request. Then ? the map calibration, and not DW.




They start out interesting things. I'm redoing the map in the light of this information, and then the place. Even if I have to say that for now, all there? it does not explain even the fumosit?, maps touch are these, and without going beyond the 4% increase in... except for DW and lim a pair.