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ecuboost
14-09-2012, 22:45
hello, my I mean in qst post ? make it clear to someone like me who is starting what map are essential retouch to have slight improvements, we expect users of the pi? experts which of course they will not tell us the tricks of the trade, but enough principles.
mavaila1972
14-09-2012, 23:05
The maps that you have to tap depend on the injection system CR PD VP44 VP37 etc etc, the council parts from a Cr edc15 downloaded a file ori and mod and try to understand the maps that can serve you
If you want to understand the strategies value of the ecu download winols and begins.Good Job
Hello Andreap, also I am a beginner I am trying to understand the CR EDC15 for what I understand is that the maps are essential are :
-the torque limiter
-pressure turbo
-rail pressure
-map the pedal
then there are the times of injection and the advances that are much more complicated (yet I have not found anything with which policy to give the increments)
oh I forgot the map fumes that must be adequate to all the rest
all the maps are related to each other and have axes which as you said mavaila1972 winols could tell you what you are to be able to better interpret the map.
Good job!!!
magi1984
29-09-2012, 07:50
I also add to the enrichment and acceleration, and the amount? fuel injected, many call it nm on iq, this map ? almost always outside of the driver in the ecm titanium
Sorry magi1984, but the enrichment in acceleration not ? the map of pedal ?
magi1984
29-09-2012, 22:54
excuse you, I had not seen that you had already? written!
However, in the few drivers of the ecm for my car (edc15c2) the map pedal (enrichment, acceleration) ? this.
The axes are :
x= rpm motor
Y= pedal position
Z= IQ
magi1984
30-09-2012, 00:38
that is, ? the quantity? fuel injected which is often missing
sa80libero
30-09-2012, 14:07
it is, in fact, the map is very important for a good performance, unfortunately, almost always, and outside the driver....
magi1984
30-09-2012, 18:06
as a general rule for the map nm on iq I would say to give the same increments as the data in the map the pedal,why? if the pedal requires 10% more? the quantity? of fuel injected must comply with such a request,then it must be 10% more?
Scua magi1984 that ? the theory, for example, my file ori has required 70 mm3 in the map the pedal in all the rpm, but the torque limiter limits it to 60 mm3 as the maximum value at 1750 rpm.
then the increments of the quantity of fuel does not have to be made in function of the increments of the map the pedal, but according to me you have to align the map well fumes, map the pedal and the torque limiter and give the increments on the basis of what limits us the diesel,in my case ? the torque limiter, why? also the map smoke has a limit of 64,3.
magi1984
01-10-2012, 20:44
good point, I am a beginner, I have always said! I'm more than happy to be corrected with this useful information
Ditto I also beginner, let's see if someone more experienced can give us confirmation.
magi1984
02-10-2012, 07:18
what do you use?winols?
Why? with ecm titanium if you have the new driver see the values as you say and you can give increments making you correct your calculations. But if the drivers are kind of old see only a value but you don't know what the hell corresponds in most of the maps...
For now, I am using titanium,with winols I should move on to notebook where I have xp, I have not seen how it works yet.
with winols not serve drive ??
magi1984
02-10-2012, 11:28
with winols you can use the damos, but are much more? difficult to find..***** unue, we are going of topic.
here we are talking about maps essential...sorry
filippin87
02-10-2012, 13:09
But what increments should be given according to the maps that both rail pressure,torque limiter,wide choice in acceleration?
I'm not a mapper, but I think it takes a bit of logic in making the maps;
According to me, first of all, you have to decide how much incremantare.
Es. if the ori have 50mm3 of diesel and want to take it to 65mm3 you must do it in all the maps by adjusting the axes if necessary.
filippin87
02-10-2012, 13:24
my problem ? understand how to increase,
If we are talking about the EDC15 the values of the diesel are expressed in mm3.
If you look at the maps in 2D show the values directly.
How to increase the decodi you; if the map ori has 60 mm3 and want to make a 15% increase in the map mod you should have 69mm3.
Consequently, the map fumes reflect 69mm3, map pedal idem.
For the injection times and the advances ? that is a bit more complex to determine the increments.
For the turbo and the rail can't do the same increments.
also applies to the eoc 16c39 ?
magi1984
02-10-2012, 15:53
lupak what do you mean by map fumes?
lupak what do you mean by map fumes?
What ecm called injection zoned where the axis are RPM and the air flow measured in mg/impulse; the z axis ? the value of IQ (Injected Quantity).
In another post, Alex.T explains it very well https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?420-Materiale-di-studio-per-principianti/page4.
also applies to the eoc 16c39 ?
Sorry patrick, but I'm studying the EDC15c2 however, I believe that the principle is the same.
We must always look at the axes of the map to better understand to what you refer to and see if they are adequate to chio' that we ask to the map.
magi1984
02-10-2012, 16:35
in the case of edc15 ok, but if we're talking about other ecu ? different
for example in my car ? a edc16 injection pazializzato ecm mean the time of injection
the other day I mapped a drive and the ecm titanium drivers used to call me turbo pressure maps of the variable geometry of the turbine, while the pressure turbo objective map real dlla pressure turbo...
the ideal first map, at least for those who use ecm titanium ? try to understand in 2d, if the map corresponds to the name of alientech has given him the driver or not
filippin87
02-10-2012, 19:43
what I would like to understand ? how to know if the maps in the ecm titanium are exact as contacts, or no,for example I know that the map that the ecm called the injection phase in reality it should be the egr,the other question is if I delete the egr I still have to edit the map, egr, or is not needed (I am talking about edc16,edc17).
magi1984
02-10-2012, 20:59
on the old drivers, the injection phase corresponds to the egr, on a new type of no.
If you close the egr on edc16 or 17 do not need to touch other maps of the egr.once closed, you must not do ir? nothing
filippin87
02-10-2012, 21:01
then on the new drivers the injection phase corresponds to the advance of the injection of the diesel right.
magi1984
02-10-2012, 21:25
I think it is not there I have never looked to be honest, if the advance or some other map
filippin87
02-10-2012, 22:24
Thanks magi1984 now I just need to try and learn
however ecm 2001 as the names given to the various maps leaves much to be desired...perhaps it would be better to learn how to distinguish these blessed axes x,y,z in 2d is that my problem ? that I can never understand a jot
filippin87
03-10-2012, 21:05
Ditto for m'?,besides some of the maps the other I can't recognize them.
In EDC15 most of the times there are (watching in 2D) 2 ramps and on each one there are various break.
For example, if the last break has a decimal value 13,500 may be the rail pressure
if it has a value of 6000 may be diesel (IQ)
if it has a value of 2000 could be the turbo pressure
if it has a value of 1000 would be the position of the pedal in %.
if it has a value of 9000 or 10000 or 10500 may be mg of air.
the axis of the turns usually ? the first off-ramp and is easily recognized.
And then you have to learn the shape of the curves of the various maps:
The map fumes (injection zoned ecm) has the form of saw teeth;
The map injection times it has ramps at the large decrease up to six times.
In EDC15 most of the times there are (watching in 2D) 2 ramps and on each one there are various break.
For example, if the last break has a decimal value 13,500 may be the rail pressure
if it has a value of 6000 may be diesel (IQ)
if it has a value of 2000 could be the turbo pressure
if it has a value of 1000 would be the position of the pedal in %.
if it has a value of 9000 or 10000 or 10500 may be mg of air.
the axis of the turns usually ? the first off-ramp and is easily recognized.
And then you have to learn the shape of the curves of the various maps:
The map fumes (injection zoned ecm) has the form of saw teeth;
The map injection times it has ramps at the large decrease up to six times.
lupak, thanks for your explanation for? this ? the usual "children's meals" that you convey to us beginners, no offense ?!!
the fact ? for a start to a moddare a data map that may be, or no not ? own the maximum of life...
in addition, the maps have almost all the curves "saw-tooth" and then it becomes like looking for a needle in a haystack, even why? many times on some of the breaks there are values inconprensibili that maybe should be converted to some strange factor that the engineers bosch have put them just to complicate still a p? things...
then you will understand that ? a p? a lottery....
Hello munro, see that I am a beginner like you, and if I have written what I have written ? why? I wandered a bit to all of the forum and I'm trying to understand something; also I can write crap as much I have seen that does not intervene no one expert to correct what I write, this post ? almost of beginners only.
I have noticed that in the furum foreigners there are much more information while in the Italian professionals are a bit pulled in transferring information.
What I wrote earlier ? the result of years months spent looking for information and I have shared with you .
So if this forum can be useful to someone with the experience of all of us are happy.
For the fact of saw-tooth download my ori that c'? in another post : study Material for beginners
with ecm you will find the driver injection split( what ? the map smoke) look at it in 2D, look at the break point of the axes; and then you will be able to map it without the driver .
For example, I still haven't understood the map of the ecm : - injection correction-what ?, what are the axes and how to map it.
scarface
04-10-2012, 17:06
injection correction ? a type of enrichment in acceleration from what I understand I for? I'm not sure 100%
magi1984
04-10-2012, 17:13
in my bmw fuel injection correction ? a map of the mass air flow sensor, precise should correspond to the map of recovery that goes off in case of electrical failure of the mass air flow sensor
In my axes ninth rounds, and IQ, I think, while the value that I read in the table has a value that ranges from 1030 to 2000.
Even if the addresses of this map we have about files ols.
msport (exil77grande)
04-10-2012, 18:21
Hello munro, see that I am a beginner like you, and if I have written what I have written ? why? I wandered a bit to all of the forum and I'm trying to understand something; also I can write crap as much I have seen that does not intervene no one expert to correct what I write, this post ? almost of beginners only.
I have noticed that in the furum foreigners there are much more information while in the Italian professionals are a bit pulled in transferring information.
What I wrote earlier ? the result of years months spent looking for information and I have shared with you .
So if this forum can be useful to someone with the experience of all of us are happy.
For the fact of saw-tooth download my ori that c'? in another post : study Material for beginners
with ecm you will find the driver injection split( what ? the map smoke) look at it in 2D, look at the break point of the axes; and then you will be able to map it without the driver .
For example, I still haven't understood the map of the ecm : - injection correction-what ?, what are the axes and how to map it.
not I think that in this forum the professionals do not yield information on the contrary, I believe that it is very rich in valuable information, however, I see that the beginner demand more and more and are never happy, even if in practice they have the food ready,also wrapped if it does not intervene none of them could also be caused by the fact that the question is incomprehensible, or is penza differently etc etc then do not ever all the grass a beam
not I think that in this forum the professionals do not yield information on the contrary, I believe that it is very rich in valuable information, however, I see that the beginner demand more and more and are never happy, even if in practice they have the food ready,also wrapped if it does not intervene none of them could also be caused by the fact that the question is incomprehensible, or is penza differently etc etc then do not ever all the grass a beam
msport does not ? to open a controversy, but us beginners not ? we want the food ready at least I speak for me but if the "claim" (that anyway ? a misnomer) ? why? we want to learn more? so stop asking and go to the facts as they have done for the professionals when they were beginners like us....
then ? a spinning wheel..I can understand that professionals have invested time and money to know what they know ? rightly don't want to share it with the first to come to? if you sign up for a forum like this where you should share with us? the more you believe appropriate, but rather give aid with the dropper and then not ? even correct that against perhaps their true purpose is to subscribe, and to increase a p? turnover by selling maps online....
pu? be that has broken the normality? that usually sets apart all the forum, or that abia misunderstood everything, and this truly is a forum different from the others but for now, this my speech ? what I think....
I'm sorry, msport I would not feel the same so, you are right that there are valuable information, however, we do not see them until we reach the 50 posts, and until then all we can do is to exchange information among beginners.
Sorry again, maybe this ? off topic.
msport (exil77grande)
05-10-2012, 04:51
msport does not ? to open a controversy, but us beginners not ? we want the food ready at least I speak for me but if the "claim" (that anyway ? a misnomer) ? why? we want to learn more? so stop asking and go to the facts as they have done for the professionals when they were beginners like us....
then ? a spinning wheel..I can understand that professionals have invested time and money to know what they know ? rightly don't want to share it with the first to come to? if you sign up for a forum like this where you should share with us? the more you believe appropriate, but rather give aid with the dropper and then not ? even correct that against perhaps their true purpose is to subscribe, and to increase a p? turnover by selling maps online....
pu? be that has broken the normality? that usually sets apart all the forum, or that abia misunderstood everything, and this truly is a forum different from the others but for now, this my speech ? what I think....
Listen here nobody can afford, contact the pm and tell you I do this,I'll do that for tot or you write me in pm because? if I notice it I'll slam out,clarified this, the forum offers a service files on-line so those who need it can take advantage but for all those who want to understand have opened a post asking a question and they had answers that the few or many that may have already a beautiful thing,and apart from this, the forum has several posts from which to take example now I did not understand if you think I should do a video course and put it here,do not compare this forum with others why? otherwise I recommend you to attend the other.
msport (exil77grande)
05-10-2012, 04:55
I'm sorry, msport I would not feel the same so, you are right that there are valuable information, however, we do not see them until we reach the 50 posts, and until then all we can do is to exchange information among beginners.
Sorry again, maybe this ? off topic.
According to you, if you do not put this rule, of 50 messages useful, what happened? Towel I say that after you have created a database of files ori,filled the forum guides with a lot of explanations and screen,have included a section with several technical manuals,filled the forum software and all this for free ( sorry if it is a little) I would have seen users to sign up,even cagarci for a presentation,download and disappear according to you would be correct?
According to you, if you do not put this rule, of 50 messages useful, what happened? Towel I say that after you have created a database of files ori,filled the forum guides with a lot of explanations and screen,have included a section with several technical manuals,filled the forum software and all this for free ( sorry if it is a little) I would have seen users to sign up,even cagarci for a presentation,download and disappear according to you would be correct?
You msport you have reason to the rules,at the bottom of us beginners (at least I speak for me ) we try to understand something about the mod. and we don't want the meal ready.Any advice ? well I agree.
dvdtuning
05-10-2012, 09:46
You msport you have reason to the rules,at the bottom of us beginners (at least I speak for me ) we try to understand something about the mod. and we don't want the meal ready.Any advice ? well I agree.
The best way to learn ? learn from maps already? ready, in the sense that you do make a map by a professional and then to l? you will have the best ideas for moddare. See the mod and the studies, try to understand what they are and why? moddate cos?. In case the try making small variations to understand the impression that gives you.
Listen here nobody can afford, contact the pm and tell you I do this,I'll do that for tot or you write me in pm because? if I notice it I'll slam out,clarified this, the forum offers a service files on-line so those who need it can take advantage but for all those who want to understand have opened a post asking a question and they had answers that the few or many that may have already a beautiful thing,and apart from this, the forum has several posts from which to take example now I did not understand if you think I should do a video course and put it here,do not compare this forum with others why? otherwise I recommend you to attend the other.
I st? only esternando my thought that then you can be agree or not with this to me does not change the life, why? precisely ? my thought
msport (exil77grande)
05-10-2012, 19:38
I st? only esternando my thought that then you can be agree or not with this to me does not change the life, why? precisely ? my thought
ok the important thing, as I said, do not confuse us with others.
magi1984
05-10-2012, 19:42
I am the living example of a beginner in this forum has received a lot of help from msport, admin and many other users on the pi? experts of me
could someone clarify the ideas regarding the map injection times ?
The axes of the map are : Rpm, IQ, and time of injection;
If the map has as IQ 60mm3 as the penultimate breakpoint and the last breakpoint 120mm3 and in the mod I would like to get to 85mm3 how should I act ?
Stretch the axes up to 85mm3 with its time, or increase, in percentage, the various times without touching the axes, or both?
can someone give me the answer ?
sorry lupak but if you are talking about maps essential map injection time, in my opinion, not l? ? own this ? the map calibration ? if you do not know how to act better to keep ori otherwise, the car begins to smoke type ferry...
for maps that are essential for the management of diesel according to me we can count three of the main talking edc15 ? the map of pedal that you know well what this is if this richiediil 15% more fuel ? obvious that you have to adapt the maps to the limitation of the same percentage, which is: map smoke limiter-torque and the map conversion nm>iq in addition to these then since we have given more fuel you have to give more air to compensate is going to touch the map turbo and its limiter if you want a little more? you can? slightly increase the map press the rail and its limiter, but I do not recommend it....
with the method described above without touch times ne rail and the ecu does all of its calculations, algorithmic as ori to give you there? what do you ask in map pedal...precise than this ? my personal method of mod that is not part of the equation ? the best of all but I think the pi? "clean" we would like to make some clarifications on the map the fumes that works in a stoichiometric ratio, but I would like to hear what they think about the professionals...
P.s:anyway, I also would like to know the answer to your question, let's see what they say....
You're right munro, maybe we busted out of topic ;
it was just to not open a new discussion, about what ? the map conversion nm>iq ?
lupak I tell you how they have responded to me:I don't do the jelly is ready, no offense!!!!
oh, like you I can not explain in words.... if you turn on the forum or on the network searches for the manual edc 15 you'll see that you find it..I currently I have no chance? look at the maps, why? I don't have any software to do it ecm,titanium etc otherwise you post it to one scren....
magi1984
12-10-2012, 16:00
if it can? help, map nm on iq in ecm titanium drivers, where present, is called a "Deal? fuel injected"
lupak I tell you how they have responded to me:I don't do the jelly is ready, no offense!!!!
oh, like you I can not explain in words.... if you turn on the forum or on the network searches for the manual edc 15 you'll see that you find it..I currently I have no chance? look at the maps, why? I don't have any software to do it ecm,titanium etc otherwise you post it to one scren....
Thank you too, in fact I don't want the jelly is ready, I would like to understand something without having done haphazardly.
May be enough addresses of my gold , but since you do not currently have the software look if someone else can you show me.
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