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mavaila1972
13-09-2012, 20:40
Hi to all,
place the file ori Injection and Turbo of a punto gt with control unit ME 2.7 someone ? able to explain the maps, unfortunately, I don't know this ecu
Injection I find the following maps:
Injection Zoned:16x16 address 0x77A2
Injection Full Load:16x7 address 0x78C9
Advance Zoned:16x16 address 0x757C
Advance Full Load :16x7 address 0x74E8
Rev limiter : 1x1 address 0x6DAA
Turbo:
I find the curves but I do not understand their meaning
Thanks
you see that on the point, there are 2 eeprom is a fuel injection and the rest,the other only the management turbo
mavaila1972
14-09-2012, 13:12
you see that on the point, there are 2 eeprom is a fuel injection and the rest,the other only the management turbo
I know I just wanted to understand what were the maps of the management turbo this?:
Turbo Pressure
Limiter Pressure Turbo
An overboost
etc.
mavaila1972
14-09-2012, 22:54
no one knows how to give a hand?
no one knows how to give a hand?
cos? how have you found the addresses of the eprom injection, you will find a driver for the eprom of the management of the turbo... ;-)
from what I remember ,after you do not find the eeprom to write, and the turbo you first change it mechanically
blackwolf76
16-09-2012, 12:34
the turbo on the point ? managed mechanically, then ? normal that the ecu can't find the values. Having a car that does not work there long I don't even remember if it has a turbo pressure sensor... but I am almost certain that there is.
No the management is done through Pierbourg, but actually ? pi? simple to handle it mechanically....
blackwolf76
16-09-2012, 13:38
No the management is done through Pierbourg, but actually ? pi? simple to handle it mechanically....
in fact,******** I like elettroregolata... remember it to be mechanical.
In spite of the et? ? a car that beautiful performance.
frantik3
16-09-2012, 13:44
on the iaw manage the turbo go quiet made many years ago and I had a similar I, as a car
mavaila1972
16-09-2012, 18:53
on the iaw manage the turbo go quiet made many years ago and I had a similar I, as a car
No it is a bosch motronic me 2.7
mavaila1972
16-09-2012, 18:55
ok but I do not want to map with the driver because it doesn't make you understand the maps on what to act!
mavaila1972
16-09-2012, 18:58
in the post-opening I put the addresses of the maps of injection and advances with their meanings (Injection, which regulates the opening angle of the butterfly).
those of the eprom of the turbo it but I don't understand what act
frantik3
16-09-2012, 19:03
also on that manage the turbo
but what you wanted to say ?: it is worth it to handle the turbo ecu on this car?
The Turbo was better with only the mechanical handling...
mavaila1972
16-09-2012, 21:00
but what you wanted to say ?: it is worth it to handle the turbo ecu on this car?
The Turbo was better with only the mechanical handling...
I think that to try to understand the iterations between the various maps is also interesting if one wants to bypass the pierburg with the faucet ****** to do so
mavaila1972
16-09-2012, 23:00
Place the maps that manage the turbine anyone who knows their true meaning?
To the eye:
1 seems to be the management of the pierbourg
2 seems to be a fix in the function of...?
3 a correction as a function of temperature
4 looks like the pressure limiter/times an overboost of the delta
5 pressure limiter?
I repeat: to the eye!
mavaila1972
18-09-2012, 00:57
To the eye:
1 seems to be the management of the pierbourg
2 seems to be a fix in the function of...?
3 a correction as a function of temperature
4 looks like the pressure limiter/times an overboost of the delta
5 pressure limiter?
I repeat: to the eye!
1 management pierburg can be there but the table that represents the duty cycle?
I can't read the whole discussion...
Anyway, to sum it up, saw that I had a pi? one of these ladies... the electronics ? a bosch motronic me 2.7, for all 3 versions.
The management of the turbo ? ELECTRONICS, but can you? also act in a mechanical way.
The management chip turbo you are, I have them and I do them.
Honestly, I did not familiar to find all of these interactions as you do watching it in 2D and i offer you congratulations, maybe one day it will understand?... for? this ECU ? away and the driver of the pi? the well-known program of the mappings are quite comprehensive, including that of the turbo...
mavaila1972
18-09-2012, 11:05
I can't read the whole discussion...
Anyway, to sum it up, saw that I had a pi? one of these ladies... the electronics ? a bosch motronic me 2.7, for all 3 versions.
The management of the turbo ? ELECTRONICS, but can you? also act in a mechanical way.
The management chip turbo you are, I have them and I do them.
Honestly, I did not familiar to find all of these interactions as you do watching it in 2D and i offer you congratulations, maybe one day it will understand?... for? this ECU ? away and the driver of the pi? the well-known program of the mappings are quite comprehensive, including that of the turbo...
to give 100mBar more an overboost and 100mBar more stable increase from and what maps?
I can't read the whole discussion...
Anyway, to sum it up, saw that I had a pi? one of these ladies... the electronics ? a bosch motronic me 2.7, for all 3 versions.
The management of the turbo ? ELECTRONICS, but can you? also act in a mechanical way.
The management chip turbo you are, I have them and I do them.
Honestly, I did not familiar to find all of these interactions as you do watching it in 2D and i offer you congratulations, maybe one day it will understand?... for? this ECU ? away and the driver of the pi? the well-known program of the mappings are quite comprehensive, including that of the turbo...
Calm, mine were only OPINIONS, not based on who knows? what calculations or studies. An impression that the names from that famous SW were not spot on 100%.
Calm, mine were only OPINIONS, not based on who knows? what calculations or studies. An impression that the names from that famous SW were not spot on 100%.
and those who shake :) I didn't want to be argumentative, but simply to have my say.
Maybe some efforts ? better put them in some new ecu like the bosch of the 1.4 tjet, which maybe are still obscure :)
zioweb
18-09-2012 12:00 pm
to give 100mBar more an overboost and 100mBar more stable increase from and what maps?
with the map of the turbo you can better handle the part regarding the an overboost, the constant ? also subject to the "slow" of the spring on the door of the turbo.
however, for the constant try to work on the maps 001C43 and 001C0F and see if it's good enough for what you want to do.
I think 10 points should be pi? or less to 1 tenth.
Calm was a way of saying, not reported to you ;-)
why? since no one would have tried to give an interpretation, but I don't know this ecu. and also the main map management pressure reminded me that the ME7.9.10!
mavaila1972
18-09-2012, 16:41
and the limiters you know what?
mavaila1972
18-09-2012, 18:49
with the map of the turbo you can better handle the part regarding the an overboost, the constant ? also subject to the "slow" of the spring on the door of the turbo.
however, for the constant try to work on the maps 001C43 and 001C0F and see if it's good enough for what you want to do.
I think 10 points should be pi? or less to 1 tenth.
According to you, are the numbers that I see in the map table that are? Pressure or other tico Duty Cycle?
bobracing
19-09-2012, 00:40
limit boost ? in eprom " engine ", I advise you to handle the turbo pressure mechanically, that actuator ? old and slow, to avoid risk of damage due to too high pressure !!
mavaila1972
19-09-2012, 00:46
limit boost ? in eprom " engine ", I advise you to handle the turbo pressure mechanically, that actuator ? old and slow, to avoid risk of damage due to too high pressure !!
are you certain?therefore tips the classic faucet excluding the pierburg?
bobracing
19-09-2012, 01:10
are you certain?therefore tips the classic faucet excluding the pierburg?
I do so : pressure regulator turn bonalume RPT, mountains wide_ band to make the fuel mixture, egt temperature exhaust and go quiet
If you only need to raise the constant, put the faucet on and on!
mavaila1972
19-09-2012, 01:25
I do so : pressure regulator turn bonalume RPT, mountains wide_ band to make the fuel mixture, egt temperature exhaust and go quiet
advances nothing?
Lets lose the payments if you do not know I am the engine that you're only casino. Put pressure and carbura. Then maybe after playing with the advances... But just a little.
carmat70
19-09-2012, 11:13
The same problem of my friend, he also fixed the part turbo mechanically, probably ? the street pi? that is simple and secure.
Hello
guys eye to the maf of this car with a nothing goes into saturation
hello..but why not make me download the file of the eprom..it says it is not enabled???
msport (exil77grande)
19-10-2012, 17:41
hello..but why not make me download the file of the eprom..it says it is not enabled???
not, you can download saying that you are not allowed just to prevent all of those as you enter the home, others make their comfortable and then go away then if you want to know more I invite you to introduce yourself in an appropriate manner in the presentations section and read the rules and regulations,good continuation.
It was only a question!my mom that acidity..I apologize if you touched your susceptibility..I it will' immediately
msport (exil77grande)
19-10-2012, 21:44
It was only a question!my mom that acidity..I apologize if you touched your susceptibility..I it will' immediately
this is not susceptibility but a fact,however, I believe that before you open the door of a stranger knocking or not?
It was only a question!my mom that acidity..I apologize if you touched your susceptibility..I it will' immediately
I want to point out that in this place you will never find people with attitudes acidic as you say, first of all, on the contrary, only available and no other purpose, true friends, the one that said our administrator msport ? right not you can? enter the house of others without, at least, greet, and maybe get to know their rules, having said this, I wish you a good forum.
there is not a way to raise the constant pressure from the map??
I can make you stand on a pressure mi cala always 0.8 0.9 .
cin rubineto I tried but sn always them, then nn) great software.
thanks
The constant ? managed mechanically, and that ? his pressure.
In the map you can manage an overboost...
In accordance with the faucet fix, sure you have it properly connected?
Depends on the pressures that you want to achieve. However, it is important to do well and the second eprom, because not only handles the pressure really is?.
If you only map on the engine management, and you leave the other part of the range management by controlling the pressure mechanically, not you will get? **** 100%
the watsegate ori of the punto gt is crap..if you want my advice montagli a waste that you can call that...if you don't want to go bonalume, or protoxide, which cost a p? you dust to adapt a garrett T25 or a kkk16 of the' iveco turbodaily or similar, or you may ripegare on that of the 164 2.0 V6 turbo that fits a mitsubishi TD05....
eye to pressure the 136cv with Rc 7.8:1 does not like more than 1.3 bar of constant...otherwise the head and before you leave(it smashes in the midst of the valve) then you leave the pistons if not raffredi the air coming from the intercooler...
in an overboost I also pushed 1.6 with turbo golds but for? I mounted the IC plus...
Peak nn I have problems. Only constant , max 0.8 on the rev limiter. Made better with the turbo and wg ori? I tried to tie the wg and I have the same pressure , 1.6 peak 0.8 constant.
as an excuse I did not understand..tie the wg?? in that sense, as the linked this Wg??
blackwolf76
04-12-2012, 22:38
as an excuse I did not understand..tie the wg?? in that sense, as the linked this Wg??
maybe with a wire...:o
I do not understand, it climbs up and then lowers?? According to me, the faucet does not work well... I usually did a double tap with adjustable input and output, and on which I mounted a solenoid valve of the gas system for an overboost that was very cool...:D
hahahahahaah. I apologize to all , I misread the title , I speak of the punto 1.4 tjet......
that dumb, sorry . :o
sorry for the off topic......
with regard to the punto gt with the statements made above are d-agreement , in fact on the ecu there are 2 eprom, nn didn't know before.
even from a map, you can adjust the pressure .
I apologize again.
Gianpy80
05-12-2012, 08:36
maybe with a wire...:o
I do not understand, it climbs up and then lowers?? According to me, the faucet does not work well... I usually did a double tap with adjustable input and output, and on which I mounted a solenoid valve of the gas system for an overboost that was very cool...:D
It is true, the double tap works best. And even better ? a flow regulator with a pressure regulator. The cost ? the top but at least it uses components of pneumatic suitable for the purpose...
Gianpy80
05-12-2012, 10:00
for me the best solution ? always a boost controller electronic solenoid AEM.. they are years that I use them and never have a problem.. there are more? as simple as the AEM 30-4350 or the Depo (which I use on my own), or pi? as complicated as the Apexi AVCR which among other things allows you to adjust pressure and an overboost gear to gear, and even the duty cycle..
not to me :-)
prover? an AEM
blackwolf76
05-12-2012, 21:50
I in fact I will build it... or rather I was making at the time that you used very much.:D
but if you do not change the wg you can also put the boost controller of the shuttle...the wg is not will never be as they were commanded....at least to the point gt 176...
Mmmm not ? strictly true. C'? the way to get increase in pressure, even without changing it.
Taps and air vents made in the manner, and the problem is around.
Of course if you change the WG with a better and calibrated for the pressures desired, ? much better.
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