perhaps scam km cycled

[rodcraft86]

guys, I ask the board to the pi? experts, a friend bought a lancia y 1.3 jtdm 95cv of 2011 with 27800km marked on the picture, I run a diagnosis with both autocom with multiecuscan here's what it is
- last overrev odometer - 50093
- odometer from the last dpf regeneration - 1046852
- km by replacing the engine control unit - 286
- the number of regenerations dpf - 156
- km travelled in the notice of the presence of h2o in the fuel - 53698
- entering in the engine control unit with multiecuscan tells me odometer 286km
I noticed that the ecu is not ? new but you can see the silicone that comes out to the edges, tomorrow will post some photos
the car ? in December 2011, what can? do? according to you, have been scaled in km? by examining in the past other cars with the same engine I have seen that regenerates on average every 500 miles so considering that the ecu marks 156 regenerations 156 x 500 = 78.000 who would not even a lot but still ? a scam, what would you recommend? thanks to all

[guidotacco]

scaled and not as a professional!

[egs]

Should be 53698 the real..... anyway, according to me, do not rely too much on the values of km that reads the diagnosis, why? not everyone can be trusted, type right on this car, "odometer from the last dpf regeneration" brings you a value that is too high for? in this case ? anything been done...

[rodcraft86]

guys to be able to proceed to a possible complaint, serves a declaration proven maybe a workshop fiat true?

[cinqueturbo]

Find a car dealer honest..
not to make everyone a bunch grass.
talking with my friend the dealer who buys in the north, in stock already? the is climbing,
so who's to report?
I advise you to always see the car from one jurisdiction before making the purchase..

[cinqueturbo]

Find a car dealer honest..
not to make everyone a bunch grass.
talking with my friend the dealer who buys in the north, in stock already? the is climbing,
so who's to report?
I advise you to always see the car from one jurisdiction before making the purchase..

[rodcraft86]

ok what I think is obvious, but for those who do not ? expert and goes into the trust, you need to repair the scam, however this morning ? went in the barracks and then he contacted his lawyer trust account ? that Monday? morning is to check in the dealership, fiat of everything, they are made very available, also thanks to the lawyer, once you have it in your hand expertise a signed, proceder? with the complaint of scam and I think that will be caxxi bitter for the furbone of the conce, who has sold the car, you held? however, up to date with developments that are going to be very interesting

[blackwolf76]

before putting in the midst of lawyers I would have gone by the seller to hear what he was saying.

[legendaryslave]

the ecu air bag what it says in the diagnosis ? you can find more values if you run a diagnosis on them, you will definitely find more information

[rodcraft86]

tomorrow passes by me and I proceed to make a diagnosis much more? detailed, then you will carry everything, for now I thank you for the help

[alex68]

hello rod, I don't want to do the egg and more . but for my account, if you have read the response of black ? the wise answer and also
you have to know that in the moment when your friend exposes a complaint for having verified that the car that he bought has the km's fake,it must have a proof certified, to which the witness is you, and in any case you have to deal with a job finally for what'? then as the old saying says keep it in the family. considering the response of a friend BLACK,
go to the dealer and find a solution.

[giuseppe1374]

when you buy a car ? always good to ask for the booklet, coupons, and maybe ask for some info directly to the mother house

[progress]

hello, as it says alex attentive to certify that all, with the edf/ecuscan, or otherwise does not seem to me to be equipment official! often not even the official dealers certify the km real not for something, but only because even with official tools, you will always find the parameters related to the odometer always discordant and maybe even only 400km and I don't think that any geek km put it to climb only 400 or add them then my thoughts and always be very careful what you do' and it says here you go in the criminal and can always take counter-notice

[rodcraft86]

so guys, tomorrow will be a treat seeing that the seller has almost prayed not to proceed, if there were problems, in the afternoon has made arrangements with an authorized officer in the presence of an expert on the engine to do an appraisal, accurate, signed by the same, I will be? present as a witness, the police marshal said that it does not ? the need for the intervention of a lawyer, but you have a document signed, attesting to the scam, I hope that the seller return the money why? once he had in his hand the signed document, and made the complaint that I emphasize the criminal, not the you can? pi? withdraw, the process goes on regardless of the will? of those who put in the work, within 48 hours take the administrative detention for the concessionaire for a period dependent on the type of survey, the times are long, but once resolved the dispute, my friend will be? compensated not only spent, but also of moral damages and malice with the dealer however the thing does not end cos?, the crime remains, and the fines are very high and strict, yesterday sara we met with his lawyer who has followed a number of similar cases and the customer ? always been compensated prior to the termination, except in a case in which the procedure ? been carried out and the dealership has closed, in this case, the victim of the scam after you have paid out € 12,000 for a car taroccata received dolo 18 months, the beauty of 32,000 euros of total compensation and net, casserole dish, I almost did a culture on yesterday evening hehheeh anyway tomorrow evening we resumed? all hoping that the thing will be resolved without casualties

[rodcraft86]

as you consigliatomi, I run a diagnosis on the ABS system is the result ? the following
- the odometer reads zero
- exercise time 70199 minutes
- starting counter 5459
- time elapsed from the first fault 69421 minutes

[Already]

How did you diagnose abs and get all those info?

[rodcraft86]

with delphi, told me all about it

[faberecu]

but maybe ? been replaced ecu caution , check with the serial port of the ecu though ? the first plant

[Backgroop]

As it says in the links faberecu maybe, and was replaced the ecu with a used one, in any case, the ecu goes open to the scodifica partial here is the explanation of the sealant may have had problems in the past ? the old owner or the dealer has replaced the ecu with a used one..
if the dealer has an invoice with which certifies the change, you can't do anything, there were my clients that after engine problems have replaced the same with a new or refurbished, and they wanted to bring the km of the ecu and the instrument to zero.. not to force the dealer has climbed the km, before I take a step hazardous type of complaints or things like that, I went by the dealer to reach an agreement.

[Backgroop]

as you consigliatomi, I run a diagnosis on the ABS system is the result ? the following
- the odometer reads zero
- exercise time 70199 minutes
- starting counter 5459
- time elapsed from the first fault 69421 minutes

79199 minutes correspond to 48 days on the life of the car if we do that the old owner was 500km to the day we get 24000km that are in the standard to judge the year of the car etc.

[rodcraft86]

guys as promised I will update on the developments, the guy brought the car from the dealer and they returned the full amount paid even why? had not yet made the transition to the ownership, I said that they did not even wanted to have confirmation of any tampering, after 15 minutes he had already? the check in hand and a copy of the contract cancelled, I said that they were gi? ready to pay without question and I believe that they knew to be wrong, however ? the finished good both for him and for them, it's a detail that I didn't know ? the car was registered to a car rental and I believe this explains many things, for the rest of the hair? lesson for the future

[mechanical 85]

hello I work in the workshop auto fiat once, and such a thing happened and be successful in a casino, my owner and had to go to 3 times a process cannot perform more checks km, if you consider the time k and you lose... but you asked the mechanic if you made the statement, I am no. ask before putting the lawyer and spend money ( a council speaks with the seller if you can fix the thing )

[Electric]

Difficult to find a car dealer and honest!!

[rodcraft86]

as I explained before, "if you read" the case ? resolved without consequences, the official dealers willing to make a verification certified were 2, both of the fiat group, the price of the appraisal, was 1000 euro as you said, just pay and you have everything ;-)

[hftdelta]

Hello I wanted to know where you've read the parameters with the delphi, I got it recently and I have yet to figure it out thanks

[Ross]

Difficult to find a car dealer and honest!!

I do not agree: many times the old owners to to to climb the km, giving the car trade-in, and then, who goes to the trouble ? the dealer blameless.

[hftdelta]

hello ross, are "almost " daccorto with you, too bad that the private is to lower the km the sar? 10% of the total. and still going to do it by concessionare then there is always a company that does it.I personally have had more of some one who has asked me to lower the km, and I have always refused why? I do not think it a proper attitude. many say "I redid the engine again" but did not calculate that on a machine with no wear and tear just the engine!!

[rodcraft86]

Hello I wanted to know where you've read the parameters with the delphi, I got it recently and I have yet to figure it out thanks

hello delta, the parameters you see them making a diagnosis of the engine control unit, select the vehicle and then click on a diesel you enter in the system and if you click on the button to the left that points to a chart, it tells you almost everything

[franco1971]

You have to take note when you buy it, after are always problems

[rodcraft86]

I think that we all came in and figure it out

[mechanical 85]

The km of the original only the diagnosis ufficili can I check I have the exsaminer fiat lancia alfa, and I can also check to see if nn I say x nn have problems with The seller of the area

[hftdelta]

thanks rodcraft86 I tried on a micra me by various values type quan.aria, pres turbo etc.. under that item solotamente are the km? and how are they calculated? thanks and sorry to bother

[123alexs]

The km of the original only the diagnosis ufficili can I check I have the exsaminer fiat lancia alfa, and I can also check to see if nn I say x nn have problems with The seller of the area

the fiat group is also the ecuscan ? perfectly reliable

[rodcraft86]

thanks rodcraft86 I tried on a micra me by various values type quan.aria, pres turbo etc.. under that item solotamente are the km? and how are they calculated? thanks and sorry to bother

please delta, you should have to list the item odometer, those are the miles real that records the ecu, if you need help ask as well, ? by a p? that I've been toying around, and as the diagnosis generic ? not bad at all

[rodcraft86]

multiecuscan for fiat group - alfa and lancia ? really valid, saying virtually all

[mechanical 85]

The voice odometer registers The kilometers of the instrument panel and not those of the ecu better Informed.

[rodcraft86]

the entry odometer in engine control unit, which registers the miles in the ecu, maybe you need to brush up on a little bit of things ;-) the odometer of the qudro tools ? the other thing is, how the ? the control unit of the abs if you have followed the discussion "so no" I have written initially that the odometer of the framework marked the 28,000 km while that of the ecu 286 how come? mystery............

[Ross]

the voice odometer is located both in the instrumentation in the control unit. In the first section records the data in the instrument panel, in the second those of the ecu

[rodcraft86]

that is, the 2 data is usually not perfectly coincide due to the difference in excess of the speedometer, usually c'? little difference between the 2 data but much depends on the actual mileage of the vehicle, if the data are very different, c'? something that does not come back unless the ecu has been replaced or modified

[mechanical 85]

I examir x check The km real go in the diagnosis (injection) out the outlet of the fulsometro x give the error and in the table I by the km value from the first detection in this way I see The km

[mechanical 85]

Has anyone done this way

[Ross]

However, to get a quick idea of the km for real just check a few things, such as the wear of the pedals, steering wheel and gear knob

[123alexs]

However, to get a quick idea of the km for real just check a few things, such as the wear of the pedals, steering wheel and gear knob

I would also add the brake discs, generally 120Kkm (normal use) begin to present a nice step to the limit of the replacement.
+- applies to all vehicles and sports

[Ross]

depends on the foot, or even by the "success" of the disk: I have seen some with less than 60,000 km were to throw :D

[123alexs]

depends on the foot, or even by the "success" of the disk: I have seen some with less than 60,000 km were to throw :D

the colleague at my side, has 190 KKm and still ? undecided whether to replace only the tablets or discs/tablets
+- the average of 120k back :rolleyes:

[Ross]

According to me no, why? a car that has done for 80-85% of his life on the highway, consumption, brake much less than the average

[mechanical 85]

According to me, and it was impossible to tell from the gear knob or from the steering wheel then the great point even at 50,000 km, the steering is piet? how do you understand it?

[mechanical 85]

I truly when you control a machine in the meantime, I'm going to see them in the hood front. And check if the clamps are still original, then always check if the game shift lever and the clutch pedal if and hardened comtrollo if the shock absorbers are to cora original so I have a little idea of how many km can have according to you?

[mechanical 85]

Ec wretched people who are already at 30
000 km) change discs and pads nn you can do this calculation of the km

[Ross]

I don't know what a great point you've seen you but the ones that I have seen do not have problems with peeling on the steering wheel and gear knob :)

[rodcraft86]

the gear knob peels on the 70/80 .000 km usually, the same wear and tear on the steering wheel, the shift knob of the car was partially ruined but the steering wheel was in place, the thing that made me think of was the presence of a kind of emulsion in the tank of the coolant, as well as traces of oil on the radiator and on the engagement of the clutch

[mechanical 85]

I have changed even in the warranty especially the steering

[hftdelta]

thank you rod species availability?, I have things to ask, but chederti all would not be enough for an encyclopedia, then I'll ask you just two things: where do I find the parameters to activate the components? that is, the channels I've seen that gives me a variety, but don't tell me that channel what is,and so I don't know what I'm changing; you will find some manual on the basis of the drive to have the description of the channels? 2 - how ricodifcano the injectors? 3 - how does the th. fap that no ec button? I have the 2.13.3 ask me to update but if I do, it asks me to activate then not I update it Thanks for everything

[rodcraft86]

then, do not update it otherwise it crashes, that version has lost any chance? of intervention on some vehicles, such as dpf regeneration, etc., to ****llo coding injectors I do not know why? I have never had occasion to use it, I used instead the procedure of the forced regeneration, and also the reset of the parameters of the mass air flow sensor after replacement
fai cos?
choose the vehicle
go diesel and enters the ecu
to the left you have various icons, choose the one with the screwdriver, and key cross-and tells you what you can do on that vehicle

[Gheroppa]

Unfortunately for my experience on certain kinds of cars there are no resellers totally honest....