opinion the map alfa 147 120 mjt

[freddyecu]

hello to all of you ...I ask the opinion map 147 ..
the files are mapped to that with the eslusione fap and egr.. the car responds well, and above all, no trace of black smoke....(the fap was physically removed),do you think it is better to leave the original empty or replace it with a straight pipe???and if for you and you better remove the catalyst under the turbine?thanks in advance

[giarras]

then:
put the tube of which you speak you could be one of the best solutions,but for me personally, not shared, I have heard some of the news that are scary, for a guy they confiscated the car and ? was denounced to the authorities? competent in the field of pollution "criminal offence" only xch? the agent ( now you have made smart )? bending down under the car and noticed the manchanza of the fap,sar? was a cas??mah!, my personal opinion, if your and still in excellent condition ? a shame to put it out of use quickly you'd need, but if you must, you should or pierce with a nice hole in the center that goes from 25mm to 30mm, or the alternative cut where and gi? welded and put a tube inside and risaldarlo at least the first visual impact of the fap ? existing.
x as regards the Downpipe, always personal opinion, remove means to make suffering less from the turbine,but at the expense of the counter-pressure that you would be there also in this case, if we hold fast to remove you. put a filter at least 120 cells. take these news as my opinion not personal ? said that the rule is exact, in fact my car runs with prefap the original machine my daughter a 159 with the change I mentioned above.

[freddyecu]

if the fap the empty total and the re-mounting okay, according to you?

[giarras]

if the fap the empty total and the re-mounting okay, according to you?

it's ok, but I prefer to put the tube inside.

[freddyecu]

there is a difference between the fap with the pipe and the fap without the pipe?

[msport (exil77grande)]

there is a difference between the fap with the pipe and the fap without the pipe?

freddy to keep the taste for order, I ask you to open a new post with your questions on the fap etc, and then you move the messages off the topic here, which was opened to assess the map.

[freddyecu]

do I need to open a new discussion palra only of the fap?

[msport (exil77grande)]

the map completely redo you touched on maps that don't know what to manage, and I can only see increases in 5-8-10-20% fixed without policy,limitarore pair exaggerated, etc, etc,I do not think that does not make smoke.

[msport (exil77grande)]

do I need to open a new discussion palra only of the fap?

exact if you want opinions-advice for the speech catalyst-fap,straight tube,fap emptied etc etc open a specific post otherwise here do not understand nothing.

[freddyecu]

the map completely redo you touched on maps that don't know what to manage, and I can only see increases in 5-8-10-20% fixed without policy,limitarore pair exaggerated, etc, etc,I do not think that does not make smoke.

This files in the ecu and is not all smoke...if you don't believe I can always do the video and sllegarlo

[msport (exil77grande)]

This files in the ecu and is not all smoke...if you don't believe I can always do the video and sllegarlo

it could also be because of the one part and' alt from another is low, but the fact remains that the map and' 0's and' completely without the policy, and do it again.

[freddyecu]

Why? the estimate of 0 cm is very good and soon will reach a high speed?....walk to the 4, where before it took the 2 and consumes a lot less files in the ecu from December and x now all ok checked the engine and turbine all ok

[msport (exil77grande)]

Why? the estimate of 0 cm is very good and soon will reach a high speed?....walk to the 4, where before it took the 2 and consumes a lot less files in the ecu from December and x now all ok checked the engine and turbine all ok


I have not written in this map do damage then if the turbine and engine are it is ok but the flywheel and the clutch if the drive in the manner aggeressiva definitely wear out easily,for the rest as already written, has no logic,it's done so much for with fixed increments all over the place if you want we can continue discutendola map for the map tell me what each map that you have increased and because you have increased and I'll help you gladly.

[freddyecu]

I have increased a little all the values in proportion to the air injection and diesel x to obtain a good performance... If you advise me of the best ways I thank you and if you can tell me according to you the best way to do x increases at the outlet to the turbo, etc. And if you do it in your way if there are improvements in the power of the vehicle again many thanks pel for your help

[msport (exil77grande)]

well you have not fully explained the policy on the basis of what and how we what are the map that you have the mod,everyone uses their own system, but definitely a difference what you've done, you can get a smooth and progressive.

[freddyecu]

could you tell me the type of increase that for you and more appropriate? let's take as an example turbo pressure from an increase in the percentage of laps to xload then turns to another value, etc?
but if increases all over the map, press turbo with a 10-20 % values remain similar to those of the cotruttore with only increased this explains ilgrafico 2d and the same, but moved at a higher level.. if you instead raise the values in a different way changes the chart ...cm I would like to understand more things about increments and maps made in a professional manner ...I think that with your help it may happen... you are prepared allows....if you can you give me an explanation by taking as an example clamps turbo as the alzeresti and because the operations that are performed with ecm..thank you in advance

[alfajtd]

we start from the fact that you don't know how to work the engine and you don't know the logic of the functioning of the edc16c39 seen from the file that you have created...

therefore, as a tip, I say to you to put it back to original...

then you start with one map at a time.

I was in t? I would tap torque required ( but by a 90% load and 1800 rpm just to see the difference)
to change the torque limiter not sure how you did it...
pressure the turbo from where you see fit... who doesn't ? as you made you...
all the rest leave the original... especially the things that you do not know what they are and their operation...

parts with a little and gradually increases how do you like the most?...

[magi1984]

another piece of advice ? this: not starting from 0 rpm and 10% load
start mapapre from 1500giri and 50% load
do not always give the same value of the increase in the whole arc of the turns, parts 5-6% up to a maximum of 13% or 14% and see how it behaves the car
some of the maps type rail pressure and turbo ? better to work in absolute and not percentage
on the turbo from 150-160 points in pi? in the usual areas of first, the cio? from 1500pm and 50% load
on the rail by 40bar in pi?,50 bar...not more than
the map ? all over again unfortunately

[freddyecu]

another piece of advice ? this: not starting from 0 rpm and 10% load
start mapapre from 1500giri and 50% load
do not always give the same value of the increase in the whole arc of the turns, parts 5-6% up to a maximum of 13% or 14% and see how it behaves the car
some of the maps type rail pressure and turbo ? better to work in absolute and not percentage
on the turbo from 150-160 points in pi? in the usual areas of first, the cio? from 1500pm and 50% load
on the rail by 40bar in pi?,50 bar...not more than
the map ? all over again unfortunately

Cm, the machine goes very well with this files mounted December ....r very snappy and fast, uses less power and does not smoke very important thing

[davidehfnos]

and very strange that you do not have consumption in the most,,,,wire accelerator already ignetti diesel fuel that is not needed,,,increases depart from loads bassisimi ....

[freddyecu]

and very strange that you do not have consumption in the most,,,,wire accelerator already ignetti diesel fuel that is not needed,,,increases depart from loads bassisimi ....

Look, if the car does black smoke quantity? appuzzata from the injectors and the right

[alfajtd]

certain ? since them we all know it... or almost...

but you know why? you may consume less?

[msport (exil77grande)]

Cm, the machine goes very well with this files mounted December ....r very snappy and fast, uses less power and does not smoke very important thing

Well you asked for an opinion and you're saying what's wrong, and Magi1984 you gave very important advice,and you wanted to advice them you're having but and continue to say they are why? the car is fine then keep it cos? if you are satisfied with.

[freddyecu]

Why? the effort of the engine is reduced and you can use a speed higher pe speed? low

[alfajtd]

I'm sorry but it is not ? the exact answer about the changes that you have made...

[freddyecu]

What do you mean not the exact answer?

[freddyecu]

In fact, and I am responding well where they say that a no go but really? va, for example, that the injectors spray naphtha useless but it is not black smoke... However, I try to map it with your advice and see how it behaves the machine.... A thank you to all of you for the help that mistate giving..

[msport (exil77grande)]

I'm sorry but it is not ? the exact answer about the changes that you have made...

Why? do not help him to understand? How are you doing you look like a professor who wants to be a millionaire,the light?

[alfajtd]

this is not to be professors or less...

it is to take consciousness of the changes...
and especially one ? ****** to help as he sees fit...
if not, it would be too easy to get the answers that are raining from the sky without the slightest effort...
and not ? nor the right of those who have spent money and time.... not to mention that you cancel the satisfaction of creating a good mod.

edit, as I said...
this time trying to understand the logic of the ECU...

[magi1984]

*alfajtd: the spirit of this forum ? help with concrete tips and not with sentences left to the met? like all the other forums of tuning.
since nobody forces us to help others, if we want to do it let's do it till the end, otherwise ? better not to do it.

said there?, I would like to say to freddyecu that if 5 christians see his map, and say that the map ? made very badly ? useless to say that the car is fine and the map goes well otherwise the response that is spontaneous ? one: if the car is fine to keep it so?, we are all happy for you

[giarras]

sorry for my intervention, but I have noticed that the topic is st? taking a turn for the worse, as it says msport our not ? a forum like so many others born maybe a p? first, where the advice you least experienced of the tab? and the sentence, and always the same "we have invested time and money" and the information type state secrets, I, for my part, my knowledge perhaps also little, sar? available in this forum, after this introduction, I present to the user who posted it, and asked for advice, maybe some user + expert, I was the first to respond about the fap without any changes to the address map, now I havuto the time x look at her the advice are real, and uninterested in, the user should not take offense at the map ? completely redo, from my part I would not recommend changes to this, should start everything from the beginning by examining the various councils that kindly have been suggested, in his insistence, may also continue to turn with the one elaborated by him, at this point, the tips are not served to nothing.

[msport (exil77grande)]

sig. alfajtd as you pointed out to the user magi1984 this forum was born with the spirit to help you with concrete tips,of course, nobody is forced to do so, but if you reply in a thread where you ask for opinions and help, or do it right or don't answer, just so to avoid to increase your counter of messages to no avail,the thing that I don't want to see written anywhere:

And this is NOT EVEN the RIGHT OF those WHO HAVE SPENT MONEY AND TIME etc etc

I know very well that I do for a living what does it mean to do this job buy:

kess v2,k-jtag,titanium-bdm all original and subscriber for a total of..............

and I do not come here to teach the first that happens to be what I've learned in years and years of trials casini and the results obtained, but I come to share my passion for trying to help those who are in difficulty and take it in the right way then the rest should do him committing, and so on,I hope this speech is clear, otherwise I have to say, reluctantly, that the professionalchiptuning does not share your principles.

[msport (exil77grande)]

with regard to the user freddyecu as I have already written and it's fair to respect the opinions of everyone, even if you think otherwise then for me, the discussion ends here, I hope that our tips were helpful good job.

[alfajtd]

guys maybe we misunderstood...
opodich? you can? clean up the post polluted...

my intent was to help...
and to think...
if the user and his experience ? zero, I goes to edit ****loo k an ecu... ? better to stop the server and start a step at a time...
rightly asking of the why? certain changes...

If he's not? what he has done and the machine goes well ... they speak 2 different languages and ? difficult for me to continue...

[usbano]

*alfajtd: the spirit of this forum ? help with concrete tips and not with sentences left to the met? like all the other forums of tuning.
since nobody forces us to help others, if we want to do it let's do it till the end, otherwise ? better not to do it.

said there?, I would like to say to freddyecu that if 5 christians see his map, and say that the map ? made very badly ? useless to say that the car is fine and the map goes well otherwise the response that is spontaneous ? one: if the car is fine to keep it so?, we are all happy for you

Quoto great both concepts!

[Gemini89]

I would like to be of help, but not being able to see anything, it seems to me difficult, not s? how has changed the map, but I am also a happy owner of a 147 (140cv x?) and what can I say ? that if you look at the map well, you can see that in the top of the machine ? without diesel, not to mention the advances, there are points where there was almost 40 degrees !!!!

[Chris156]

I would like to be of help, but not being able to see anything, it seems to me difficult, not s? how has changed the map, but I am also a happy owner of a 147 (140cv x?) and what can I say ? that if you look at the map well, you can see that in the top of the machine ? without diesel, not to mention the advances, there are points where there was almost 40 degrees !!!!

because the top is missing diesel? to 4000 rpm to inject 62 mm3 from the original on your car.
for the degrees ? the same thing.. where have you seen this lack of 40?? moreover, with the 40? of advance you would be out-of-phase useful injection..

[Gemini89]

because the top is missing diesel? to 4000 rpm to inject 62 mm3 from the original on your car.
for the degrees ? the same thing.. where have you seen this lack of 40?? moreover, with the 40? of advance you would be out-of-phase useful injection..

it was x to exaggerate the 40?, but the advances are to be completely rebuilt, if you use ecmtitanium see it, the first ok must be corrected qu? and and ok but the latter are a procheria pi? unique... second only to the advances of a 1.6 aspirated and turbo of the psa group... if you look at the management of diesel missing a whole sequence....

[Chris156]

mmmmm.. I thought you were talking about your 140cv..
I don't understand where you see that is missing from a sequence of management diesel.. put the address..