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maximumwarp
19-02-2014, 13:35
Hi,
whereas, as I also wrote in my presentation, I am completely ignorant on the subject, I need your help, ? the first time that I attempt with the control units of cars and motorcycles.
I bought a Ducati Monster S2R 800 2006, I still have the bike physically on hand for the check, but the ECU should be a Magneti Marelli IAW 5AM; a friend of mine, who delights in mechanical engineering, has recently purchased a MPPS v12 (or v13, I can't remember) that from what I read around it seems to be compatible to the read/write ecu Ducati.
The bike features the download Arrow, I'm going to also pick up an air filter pi? "open" (type BMC or Sprint Filter) and finally reprogram the ecu with the file found in the network of an ecu Ducati Performance to gain a few HP or anyway to give a bit more? sprint to the bike for more fun.
I also found what should be the mapping file the original 320 KB (that of the DP ? 304 KB).
Here are the points:
1. With the MPPS that I lend you my friend (and who acts as if I could decide to buy), which is connected to the connector for the diagnosis, I can read and save the original mapping, keep it as a backup and if necessary restore it in case of problems?
2. From what I understand documenting, the reading of the original would lead me to get a file from 320 KB that for? I could not change as the software to manage files from 304 KB, and then I should cut the first 16 KB; the file DP that I have downloaded ? 304 KB, to write it in the ECU must be from 320 KB, where I take the 16 KB missing?
3. I have read that the mappings DP are not actually? a granch? especially for those who use the bike in the city?, my main use ? for a few outings in the weekends and for fun (and I repeat, give a little something more? to performance) are also not able to create only one map, I can't be happy with this file DP? Is the game worth the candle?
In case someone has the desire to take a look, I am attaching the 2 files that I found on the net...
Test to identify the addresses of the maps.
Then change the ones that are different.
For example, advance and injection.
Greetings
maximumwarp
19-02-2014, 22:35
Test to identify the addresses of the maps.
Then change the ones that are different.
For example, advance and injection.
Greetings
Thank you for your reply but unfortunately I do not understand what you want to say...
The first question that I wish someone would have negated ? if with MPPS I can read and write the ecu Ducati, already? it would be good to know this with certainty.
Then I would like to understand how to write the file Ducati Performance ecu, since ? from 304 KB instead? 320 KB.
I repeat that I do not know absolutely nothing on how to edit a map, advances, injection, for me ? almost Arabic, for now I'd settle for being able to use the map DP...
legendaryslave
19-02-2014, 23:49
then friend you say I ducatista I've had 3 600 carburetor 900 carburetors and now I'm selling the s4r to take the speedfither the problem of the map ducati performanz that move the cv in the top, say, for use on the track, I have done hundreds of tests and does not earn more than 3 horses on this engine the only thing that you ? granted to make and move the provision to allow the engine to stretch more, aching note of the twin Italian has so much torque, maybe also too much but too early and ends too soon, with me and the time I managed to get a good compremesso hp torque but everything is how you want to ride you, if you want to do the races in a straight line ? an account put the map ducati performance, but if you want to use for the back of the mountain you have to get a most personalized, this motor ? like a blanket you cover your head you'll find out the feet and vicervesa I hope the comparison makes the idea,
with regard to the map a little benza fat immediately a hair advance down then he wants to be delayed hindsight walls and does not stretch,
to write it I have always used kess 1 bench
maximumwarp
20-02-2014, 08:22
This Monster ? for me, the third Ducati, I had a Monster 600 carburetors and a 848 on which I had installed a ecu Ducati Performance original.
Unfortunately, as I have already? written, are not able to fulfill my destiny a map alone, although maybe I prefer a bit of torque in the pi? at low revs (I like the bends in the mountains) than to have a higher speed? tip. Also the only system with which I could proceed to read and write ? the MPPS why? I don't have access to other systems...
Clarification: the file read from the MMPS ? from 320kb why? in you also the reading of the e2p, the file you found instead ? only the flash, 304kb. Software with ECM type, but also with a player hex if you can (go to copy/paste the first 4000 addresses of the file in hexadecimal), you could pull out a file full 320kb. The fact remains for? that wouldn't have the correct checksum and the risk of lock the unit in writing.
Another point: the file Ducati Performance sure that it is suited to your bike for as ? the mass of the exhaust and air filter? You or less of the catalyst and the lambda control?
Eye!! Do copy/paste with a file that you do not know without knowing exactly what you combine, they do damage!!
M999
maximumwarp
20-02-2014, 13:45
Ok, thanks, now the ideas begin to clear...
It seems to me that you are confirming that ? can read and write to these control units via MPPS.
Reading the ecu directly from the bike I'd get a file from 320 KB then, with a hex editor I could take the first 16 KB of the original file and add them at the head of the file DP in order to regain a file from 320 KB (then written in the ECU via MPPS) but there would be the problem of the checksum.
At this point, the questions remain 2:
1. The bytes to be fetched via hex editor from the original file are those from address 000000 up to 003fff, or until 004000? According to my calculations it should be up to 003fff...
2. Made this "copy & paste" of bytes, not c'? way to correctly recalculate the checksum?
I would add that it is physically impossible I still have the bike between your hands, then I can not control catalyst and lambda probe, I only know that mount exhaust Arrow-approved (but with dbKiller off).
I read my ECU with MPPS.
Do not write a file of a different size.
Best modified the original file.
Greetings
ducati83
20-02-2014, 23:33
the solution m999 ? easy to make....and ? the only way to do this soon soon.
For the rest:you can pull off a good map and some pony in the pi? playing with small improvements, advances, and especially about the fixes....with those you get an engine very elastic and fluid...managing everything for the better, you lose the vehemence on the bottom....at least for the 4 valves...but the 2 we say that you can have a better delivery of medi...
for the break......well if you got a twin...who do you want to do more than 200-220????
anyway if you know how to do it, you can even play a little bit with the tps....gasoline not to overdo it....? easy to have fat in the lower part and the walls at the top....rather make a good co...giving priority to the balancing of the throttle bodies...the fuel mixture, the recoveries with the fixes....
maximumwarp
21-02-2014, 07:39
the solution m999 ? easy to make....and ? the only way to do this soon soon.
For the rest:you can pull off a good map and some pony in the pi? playing with small improvements, advances, and especially about the fixes....with those you get an engine very elastic and fluid...managing everything for the better, you lose the vehemence on the bottom....at least for the 4 valves...but the 2 we say that you can have a better delivery of medi...
for the break......well if you got a twin...who do you want to do more than 200-220????
anyway if you know how to do it, you can even play a little bit with the tps....gasoline not to overdo it....? easy to have fat in the lower part and the walls at the top....rather make a good co...giving priority to the balancing of the throttle bodies...the fuel mixture, the recoveries with the fixes....
I thank you and the others for the answers, if I was an expert I would be certainly very useful, but unfortunately for me they are next to the Arabic... :(
The best, for now, that I would be able to do ? read the original file from the ecu and post it here on the forum, then I have to find some pious soul, that or guide me step by step in the modification, starting both from the tell me which software to use, and then pointing to no terms are too technical changes that I should make, or you take the file, and when you have the desire/time to do it to me edit and me riuppa on the forum changed, perhaps explaining here on the forum, the changes made to the cos? from the comparison of the 2 files that people like me can begin to understand something more?...
ducati83
21-02-2014, 11:54
email the file ori maybe try to direct you...and then, perhaps, comes out of some other gem useful to all.....even if the chance? of map are not the same as in diesel engines....the things to touch are just a few....for these engines I prefer to always stay on changes, not too pushed on and work the mechanics.
maximumwarp
21-02-2014, 12:29
email the file ori maybe try to direct you...and then, perhaps, comes out of some other gem useful to all.....even if the chance? of map are not the same as in diesel engines....the things to touch are just a few....for these engines I prefer to always stay on changes, not too pushed on and work the mechanics.
Ok, thanks again. As soon as I can poster? the file here and those of you who experienced the avr? the desire to lay hands on it we could? try to pull out some horse-riding in the pi?, I limiter? to try it out.
For now, in the meantime, also to do a little practice with MPPS, I'd be happy to be able to write to the file Ducati Performance (and maybe try it out on the road as soon as possible). With a hex editor (HxD) can I safely take the first 16 KB from the original file (of course, once read with MPPS I would use the original file of my ecu) by copying all the contents from offset 0x0 to offset 0x3fff, and pasting it at the head of the file, DP, obtaining cos? a new file, 320 KB instead? 304 KB (including, therefore, e2p as someone here explained to me). This new file would have the correct size to be able to be written in the ecu but there would remain the problem of checksum: MPPS I would write to the file or not to automatically correct the checksum? Do you know a way to work around this problem?
If you could force them in any way write ignoring the checksum, if the bike is not starting then rewrite quietly on the original file and bring it all to factory condition?
ducati83
21-02-2014, 16:35
watch read the file ori and mail the two files that you do I....? simple....for the chk I have a program, but usually also not correcting you do not have problems...
maximumwarp
21-02-2014, 21:28
watch read the file ori and mail the two files that you do I....? simple....for the chk I have a program, but usually also not correcting you do not have problems...
maximumwarp
26-02-2014, 16:57
Unfortunately my friend does not have a MPPS but an ELM327 with which I was able to do little or nothing, so I decided to buy a chinese clone of MPPS. In the meantime, that aspect of the delivery would you recommend a software (possibly from the price "human") to edit/modify the original files that I'd read with MPPS?
? can use Tunerpro or WinOLS to change the maps.
Greetings
maurof650
15-03-2014, 21:00
Another point: the file Ducati Performance sure that it is suited to your bike for as ? the mass of the exhaust and air filter? You or less of the catalyst and the lambda control?.......
M999
I don't understand why? ask if the lambda ? disabled......the DP have the lambda is disabled.
Mea culpa that I was unclear. I was referring to the situation of his discharge from the point of view of "hardware" and in the map in tandem. Use a map that does not include the lambda control and the catalyst on the exhaust catalyzed and leaving on the lambda ? the best modoper to ruin it, including lambda. In addition to the fact that it would be useless and the bike would be no good.
M999
maximumwarp
16-03-2014, 14:35
Actually I still have to check if the discharge has the lambda or less...
maximumwarp
30-03-2014, 12:53
watch read the file ori and mail the two files that you do I....? simple....for the chk I have a program, but usually also not correcting you do not have problems...
Hello,
finally, after over a month, I ? got a MPPS clone directly from China and I was able to read the ecu of my Monster S2R.
I posted the file in the section of the database of the original files: Ducati-Monster_S2R-800-77-IAW5AMHW610 (https://www.professionalchiptuning.net/showthread.php?6098-Monster-S2R-800-anno-2005&p=88013#post88013).
In RAR archives are in fact? these 2 files:
2. S2R800-Solo_Dati_(Default)-ORI.bin I was able to read it by leaving the option Read Options -> Data Only (Default).
Not being the expert are not which of the two should be used to perform a new ecu mapping.
The file that should be an ECU Ducati Performance ? annex to the first post of this discussion.
I remember that on the bike I mount an exhaust open Arrow (99%) does not have a lambda probe (such as THIS one (http://www.wrs.sm/2842-large/scarico-completo-arrow-round-sil-titanio-carby-ducati-monster-s4r-s2r-03-06.jpg) for instance) and an air filter Sprint Filter PM10S.
Thanks in advance! :)
It seems to me a p? convenient to do so?... as I said in the other discussion: start trying hard your file ori and the Ducati performances and try to figure out what and where they touched. Once you understand how it works, to give you indications on what you find, and to avoid to make a hole in a piston because of a chiptuning wrong, I think that none of you shall deny.
If you want a file ready to copy/paste and then let's see why? it works so well?... well, I wouldn't have to go in this direction. Then, each user ? ****** provide your work/time as it sees fit, but it would not be constructive.
First of all: have you noticed any differences between the two files that you downloaded from the ecu? They've also compared only in hexadecimal?
M999
maximumwarp
30-03-2014, 22:55
It seems to me a p? convenient to do so?... as I said in the other discussion: start trying hard your file ori and the Ducati performances and try to figure out what and where they touched. Once you understand how it works, to give you indications on what you find, and to avoid to make a hole in a piston because of a chiptuning wrong, I think that none of you shall deny.
If you want a file ready to copy/paste and then let's see why? it works so well?... well, I wouldn't have to go in this direction. Then, each user ? ****** provide your work/time as it sees fit, but it would not be constructive.
First of all: have you noticed any differences between the two files that you downloaded from the ecu? They've also compared only in hexadecimal?
M999
I understand your reasoning, doesn't it ? I want the jelly is ready, but I have not the slightest knowledge to create a map. Not only in the industry, in the life I am in charge of anything but I have the right skills. I asked simply why? the user Ducati83 was proposed long ago to fulfill my destiny the map, if he or some other member of the forum wants to give me this pleasure, I'll ne sar? grateful otherwise do nothing!
If I could the realizzerei from me, but unfortunately I'm not able to... :(
maximumwarp
31-03-2014, 13:26
With a version of the "unofficial" ECM Titanium 1.61 I tried to compare my original file (reduced to 304KB cutting the first 16KB with a hex editor, in this way, when I tried to open it with ECM Titanium I have read correctly, by identifying, in the automatic mode, the driver is "right") with the Ducati Performance (gi? of its 304KB). Of course, watching it on a 2D graph the values in the two files, there are points where they are equal, what is the difference, unfortunately I have no idea what to represent these values.
According to you I******* if I take the first 16KB of my original file, glue them at the head of the file DP and then flasho the result in the ecu?
I do damages or, while not doing damage, I don't get anything good from the point of view of performance?
Before you copy and paste I think that it is better to know the meaning of the map and the 2D chart.
Greetings
maximumwarp
03-04-2014, 23:06
At least someone of good will? make a comparison between my original file and the Ducati Performance to figure out if I should put it on the bike or less, c'?? :D
ducati83
03-04-2014, 23:30
without looking at it, I say to you that if you do not use the bike on the track is not good to put it...for obvious reasons already motivated in this forum....
maximumwarp
04-04-2014, 08:19
without looking at it, I say to you that if you do not use the bike on the track is not good to put it...for obvious reasons already motivated in this forum....
? true, I had already? bed,? I thought that, not being the Monster, a bike "properly" from the track could have a map "less dedicated" to this use also in the control unit DP. I could also always go back if I were to pleasure as it goes on the bike, I just want to be sure to do good without doing harm.
A friend of mine has mounted the ecu to the DP (with filter and exhaust) on a Hypermotard 1100 ? the difference compared to the original note, and how even in the street!
ducati83
04-04-2014, 09:46
sure to try, you can try everything....if the file ? for your bike, you see the type of hw.....that is equal to me please...ill go back for sure.
obvious they are not the bike strictly for the track but I wouldn't be cos? convinced....if you use it on the track you realize how much they are pushed and suitable to shoot you out of a curve, or an S, like a missile.....
anyway, try as you say ill go back....of course if you want to share files in a database.
maximumwarp
04-04-2014, 09:59
sure to try, you can try everything....if the file ? for your bike, you see the type of hw.....that is equal to me please...ill go back for sure.
obvious they are not the bike strictly for the track but I wouldn't be cos? convinced....if you use it on the track you realize how much they are pushed and suitable to shoot you out of a curve, or an S, like a missile.....
anyway, try as you say ill go back....of course if you want to share files in a database.
Thank you for your reply.
The original file of my unit I have already? posted in the database, the DP I got it on another forum and it is in the first post of this discussion.
That I know the Monster should have all the same ecu Magneti Marelli IAW 59M HW610 (or am I wrong?) then I should not have hardware problems, what worries me ? always if I can take the file DP 304KB, add the first 16KB of my original file in the head to bring it back to 320KB and write with MPPS without damage... With the checksum then how to fix it? I have "fear"... XD
ducati83
04-04-2014, 11:04
hmm iaw59m with hw610 I don't have views, or maybe I'm wrong, but with that HW only 5AM......then 59m have a file from 256 320......
maximumwarp
04-04-2014, 11:17
Yes, probably you're right, I will? confused...
Eye to the type of the ecu/HW!! The 5AM if you get it wrong 90% recovered, the 5.9 the nail, and throw it all away!!
Returning to the speech of the compare the files, I recall that you used to have ECM? Starts to open the file, usually the GOLD you can get him to locate the correct driver without too many problems. By l? starts to look like and what are the base maps: injection and ignition advance. Cercale then for comparison in the file DP and postaci your impressions of the cos? learn and participate in all.
M999
ducati83
04-04-2014, 14:48
I totally agree, as always....
maximumwarp
04-04-2014, 15:45
Then, the control unit of the motorcycle ? a IAW5AMHW610 (checked with MPPS with JPDiag).
If I try to open with ECM Titanium 1.61 the original file is read by the control unit (320KB) does not recognize it and asks me to select a driver, otherwise, if I open the same file but with the first 16KB cut (then 304KB), the program proposes me to directly use the driver DUC_403A (Description: DUCATI MONSTER S2R 803cc 77CV - Ecu: MAGNETI MARELLI HW610 IAW 5AM.BF); instead, the file DP is not automatically recognized n? if by 320KB (304KB+16KB initials of my original) n? if 304KB.
I don't want to take the risk to become/seem repetitive and/or sfaticato: you tell me about fuel injection, advances, etc., are probably the things for you simple and basic, but for me ? Arabic. If I compare the two files, either by opening them with a hex editor that looking at the graphs with the ECM known, of course, differences, but I can't tell you at all what they represent. Also, I don't even know where to put the hands with ECM Titanium, since I do not know the software and the few things I could do ? why? intuitive to use and why? I'm a computer scientist, then, in any case, if I open a software also unknown I never caught 100% right when you stay on the generic...
Not being able to do so, I ask you again: can I take the file DP 304KB, add in the head (with a hex editor) the first 16KB of my original file to get a file from 320KB that I would go to write in the control unit MPPS? It would be a problem with the checksum and how would you solve it? What are the risks of irreversible (that goes wrong that I don't like how it goes with the bike, if you do not risk irreversible damage, lose my original file)?
ducati83
04-04-2014, 19:42
then I try to solve some doubt:if you say you open the original file and then you will see definitely the driver that offers titanium and then looked at the map and at least understand what they are.....
then if once cut the file DP 304 compare it with your gold you will notice that between the advance payments and gasoline, there are differences as in the corrections....so I do not think that you are unable to find the maps of the most important...of course, something ? out driver....but this you will understand with time...it's useless to start your information, since you are totally zero....
for the act of copying the DP on your...if you don't see at least what it is not me I should talk about to write...however if you open it, even without the driver in the box info should give you information about the file.....if you have the same HW you could also write it after correction CHK that as I said I could get you I but I know that you can't download.....then the solution would be to copy the increments of the maps and notes of the DP on your own and upload it without CHK why? it should not create problems...but I think you've said that your MPPS the correct.
I hope I helped you.
maximumwarp
04-04-2014, 20:30
alper the act of copying the DP on your...if you don't see at least what it is not me I should talk about to write...however if you open it, even without the driver in the box info should give you information about the file.....if you have the same HW you could also write it after correction CHK that as I said I could get you I but I know that you can't download.....then the solution would be to copy the increments of the maps and notes of the DP on your own and upload it without CHK why? it should not create problems...but I think you've said that your MPPS the correct.
I hope I helped you.
Thank you for the attempt but I have ideas too confused... :(
I would only need to be able to obtain an alternative mapping to the original just to see the itch to see how it goes on the bike. As you may have realized crearmene a zero not me ? as possible, and then I'd be happy to try the DP, once proven, if you do not satisfy me I would stay with the original.
Said this:
1) how do I figure out definitively if the file Ducati Performance I ? for my hardware?
2) once you have verified the point 1, how do I fix the checksum of the file from 320KB that I would have to create from the DP that ? 304KB?
3) exceeded the rocks to points 1 and 2 I could only write the file to the control unit via MPPS, what risk do I run? If something goes wrong I can riflashare the original map without complications?
With regard to the question "unable to download", you may figure the problem CHK (of course, if you want to do it), by moving the files via e-mail!
Sorry, but... look, you're at a point where you can go... just open the file ori with the ECM, do you see your function in 2D, for example, that "shape" of the series of curves of the injection. So open the file in DP and you need, roughly in the same area of memory address, a curve similar. The curves are not changed, you will see that they are very similar. By l? let's see what pops out and what kind of increases/decreases have been made.
M999
maximumwarp
05-04-2014, 10:06
Sorry, but... look, you're at a point where you can go... just open the file ori with the ECM, do you see your function in 2D, for example, that "shape" of the series of curves of the injection. So open the file in DP and you need, roughly in the same area of memory address, a curve similar. The curves are not changed, you will see that they are very similar. By l? let's see what pops out and what kind of increases/decreases have been made.
M999
If I explained how to use ECM Titanium (I repeat that what I have ? version 1.61, I don't know which is the latest, and not ? "official") or I linked some guides online for who ? really noob in the industry, I can try. Maybe I can just place some screenshots of the software while I use it to let you see how I proceed.
I would have to? need a guide to "step-by-step", I'm not sure even that when I open a file I do it in the right way... :/
maurof650
05-04-2014, 10:29
.......can I get the file DP 304KB, add in the head (with a hex editor) the first 16KB of my original file to get a file from 320KB that I would go to write in the control unit MPPS? It would be a problem with the checksum and how would you solve it? What are the risks of irreversible (that goes wrong that I don't like how it goes with the bike, if you do not risk irreversible damage, lose my original file)?
In this way, you get again the DP that you had before tagliarlo.........then ? a useless operation.
In all cases, if a map file from 304 Kb we add the 16 Kb of another map file, do not run any risk; the bike part without cks.
For the other question, if you still want to do cks on a file that is 320 Kb, you should manually select the driver that you recognize automatically with the file from 304 Kb; then enter the screen in hexadecimal; in case you change any of the "cell" by changing the value (e.g. from "01" take "00") and immediately after, then brings it back to the initial value ("00" to "01"); exit the program and save the changes; in this way, the cks ? was calculated during the rescue.
Then remember that if you have the initial reading of the map on your unit working (e.g. with MPPS), in the case of problems with the map file that you have manipulated, we rewrite the initial file and everything is back in place.
maximumwarp
05-04-2014, 16:19
In this way, you get again the DP that you had before tagliarlo.........then ? a useless operation.
In all cases, if a map file from 304 Kb we add the 16 Kb of another map file, do not run any risk; the bike part without cks.
For the other question, if you still want to do cks on a file that is 320 Kb, you should manually select the driver that you recognize automatically with the file from 304 Kb; then enter the screen in hexadecimal; in case you change any of the "cell" by changing the value (e.g. from "01" take "00") and immediately after, then brings it back to the initial value ("00" to "01"); exit the program and save the changes; in this way, the cks ? was calculated during the rescue.
Then remember that if you have the initial reading of the map on your unit working (e.g. with MPPS), in the case of problems with the map file that you have manipulated, we rewrite the initial file and everything is back in place.
Thanks, I've really clarified a few things. I do not have the file DP 320KB, what I have found on the net was already? cut 304KB, therefore you are? I was talking about to add the first 16KB of my original file, why? to be able to write to the control unit must be 320KB, I would just make sure that file IS actually for Monster S2R 800, and for HW610 (but I guess so? should be in as it seems to me that there is a Monster with centralinee different).
maurof650
05-04-2014, 16:34
.........
Yes, but as I said, if you don't, nothing changes.
To check if the map ? a DP for Monster800S2R, open the map file in hexadecimal; in the right part of the screen look for the code in the map; if you find the serial 96516005B ? a DP of the S2R800.
maximumwarp
05-04-2014, 17:00
Yes, but as I said, if you don't, nothing changes.
To check if the map ? a DP for Monster800S2R, open the map file in hexadecimal; in the right part of the screen look for the code in the map; if you find the serial 96516005B ? a DP of the S2R800.
Thanks, you were very clear and helpful.
ducati83
05-04-2014, 18:51
ah of course if you don't even know if the downloaded file ? for s2r then we are far away....you do not certainly to write to a file found here or in the network.....you anyway need reliable sources seen that you are not expert in the field....
maximumwarp
05-04-2014, 18:57
ah of course if you don't even know if the downloaded file ? for s2r then we are far away....you do not certainly to write to a file found here or in the network.....you anyway need reliable sources seen that you are not expert in the field....
I do not have the mathematical certainty that both S2R but ? fairly certain. In any case, if you don't start the bike then I can rewrite the original file without problems?
ducati83
05-04-2014, 19:55
some...for? if the file does not ? for 5am and does not have the same hw you can have problems with the block...and you have to recover it....I don't know if you should risk it since you do not have the dimistichezza with these things....
The map ? a DP for S2R, kit silencers and filter, to 5AM.
Now that you know so you can do your copy/paste, but you will not have learned anything...
Have fun
M999
Forgive the "spigolosit?" but it seems to me to discuss it with nothing... to understand the why? certain operations, you want to reduce writing to a control unit with a standard file found. Spending as little as possible, not so much in terms of cost in money, but resources and time to spend.
It could become a discussion intessante, but apart from the usual participating in this forum and in a way that is constructive and purposeful, but what? not ? state.
Fool that I hopure said... forgive me for the inconvenience I have created to write these four current OT.
M999
ducati83
05-04-2014, 20:53
maximumwarp
05-04-2014, 21:17
Guys, I thank all of you who have wanted to participate in the discussion, and I'm sorry that someone has remained "disappointed" by such as you ? evolved but if this discussion had to evolve into something more? constructive had to be pi? thanks to the interventions of you experts and not for "merit" my, and I will explain to you clearly why? I write this: I do not have the bench? minimum knowledge in this area, you can hardly know how it works (theoretically) an internal combustion engine, and, to be honest, I don't even have time to be able to engage more? so, in the chip-tuning (although I would love to but I need to find the guide clear and simple for super-noobs and put some time into it). I myself have bought a chinese clone of the MPPS, and I would like to take advantage of to improve the performance of the bike (and, maybe in the future, too); surely to create a mapping alone would have given me more? satisfaction is when I went to make then driving the bike, but are the least able to do so. I don't know the concepts that for you, it seems to me, are pretty basic such as injection, advances and all the rest: as I could in these conditions to create a mapping only?
Also I don't know n? know how to use the software tools needed (which, among other things, not even I have, I downloaded And*M T*tanium "cured" just for curiosity?, I do not even seem right to use it the most? much...).
I'm a computer scientist, in case some of you had asked me how to fix a problem with a PC or any other hardware/software device that I know of in one of the various forums in which they are writing (and where I have thousands of posts and several years of participation), I would have gladly done so, and in case you were interested in finding out why? a possible situation needs to be tackled in a certain way is if the only interest was to solve the problem, without knowing implementation details and whatnot.
It will continue? to attend the forum trying to learn something and make? also pi? gladly if you succeed? to flash my first unit and has achieved improvements in performance, even if at the beginning with a childish copy and paste...
Sorry for the "papiello" and have a good evening! :)
hello max.... also I was cos? and it seemed an impossible target, and true there, I have thrown away years at the end the best map ? the one that you f? starting from the file ori why? the dp f? is that the bike revs high rpm you give here few laps in the pi? on the limit.. and you make it full? if we make the case if you use the bike in the mountain road with the dp if you're not a high rpm and flabby on the bike, so it starts from the low and mid range rpm, and try to spread the pi? supply in terms of torque and then at the end in terms of cv also take 3cv but with a couple really nice then if you want to do you get a wite band commander you take a ride on the road and you download the all and from there you start to understand even more? and see where you want them and go correct if we want more? benz. or less, and so also for down payments and you realize even until you can give without detonate the engine
Exact duke. For maps and directions ? one of the best solutions: take a ride with one acquisition A/F, rpm, and TPS, and then go on to analyze it and work on it. The wide commander, for I consider it to? rather cheesy, I entrust to a system to Innovate LM02 with double lambda probe, much more? precise and reliable.
M999
thanks m999 unfortunately for my small I thought that the wide commander was the best this lm02 double probe makes the law, both before and after the right if you f? pleasure could you give us some info in pi? then if the fellow wants pi? the deepening of the things I am happy to help all to that little s?
The Innovate ? a company in the USA and on their site you will find all manuals (in English, technical...). For those who do not chew English sar? difficult, but ****** translator will allow? at least understand a minimum of on the very good functionality? both of the tool of the management software,and file analysis in the recording of operating data.
I don't understand what you mean with "the law, both before and after"...
M999
thanks 999 for the case of the american company and where you take the vdsts
No, the Centurion (ex VDST) ? the Technoresearch.
M999
maximumwarp
06-05-2014, 18:35
Finally this afternoon, after you have resolved on the thing for a few weeks, I decided to try to flash the file Ducati Performance on my Monster S2R 800.
Via MPPS I first read the original map, from this I took (via hex editor) the first 16KB of them, I added in the head at the end of the DP from 304KB in order to bring it back to 320KB and then always using MPPS (chinese clone) I have rewritten. During the stages of reading/writing I have not had any problems, so I crossed my fingers and tried to turn on the bike ? the game quietly, but the catch was around the corner... I got back in the saddle for her to try, and I immediately noticed that it had problems with the delivery, as I tried to accelerate (even in neutral or starting) the bike seemed like the affogasse, mumbling on and off without being able even to maintain the minimum. I was about to prepare to rewrite the original map when I remembered having read that after a remapping of the ecu on the Ducati ? advisable to run the CO adjustment (that I can't do due to lack of equipment), but, above all, reset the TPS. I have cos? tried to reset the TPS using the DucatiDiag software (now JPDiag), I got on the bike and now the bike seems to go without problems, although I must say that I do not ? seemed there were big differences, but I intend to do a few test pi? in-depth in the next few days!
The TPS and the Co adjustment are essential after each flashata, otherwise the bike is not working well!!
M999
maximumwarp
06-05-2014, 19:34
The TPS and the Co adjustment are essential after each flashata, otherwise the bike is not working well!!
M999
As I wrote, the reset TPS I have made (other than with JPDiag there is some other software?) but the CO as I could do it? I don't have the equipment for the analysis of exhaust gas...
- cut -... but the CO as I could do it? I don't have the equipment for the analysis of exhaust gas...
Without the analyzer, exhaust gas does not you can? if I do not "by ear"... but the approximation makes little!!
M999
maximumwarp
06-05-2014, 20:46
Without the analyzer, exhaust gas does not you can? if I do not "by ear"... but the approximation makes little!!
M999
I would explain what are the disadvantages in not do it right? Thanks! ;)
This is not ? a forum of mechanical... but to me is the question: do you know what it is about, generally, in the adjustment of the Co?
M999
maximumwarp
07-05-2014, 08:28
This is not ? a forum of mechanical... but to me is the question: do you know what it is about, generally, in the adjustment of the Co?
M999
Honestly I have no idea... :confused:
Not doing the CO, in the short term, may have high consumption levels and feel the smell of gasoline in the event that the bike is too fat, according to how ? set the CO. The adjustment of the CO ? recommended after replacement of the ecu and the exhaust, why? you must adjust the right mixture of air and gasoline permit? the bike works well! The JPDIAG by chance? adjust the trimmer of the CO (be careful not you are adjusting the CO), this trimmer should be used in combination with a gastester, which measure the stoichiometric ratio of the mixture, which should normally be between 3.5% and 4%, with the trimmer of the JPDIAG you can adjust this percentage, but only if you know where to parts.
I would explain what are the disadvantages in not do it right? Thanks! ;)
ducati83
07-05-2014, 15:05
hello dirdan what you said I did not understand, or better not to ? correct:which means do not fix the real CO?
it is certain that the fix, otherwise how will you do it?
certainly should be, first of all, balance the throttle bodies in sync and bring the air and then fine tune the CO with the trimmer, electronic.the fact of not knowing where you part what does it mean?sure that you know where to party, attacks the analysis tool and see that you and them do all the operations necessary to obtain a CO correct that in the case of the ducati goes from a 3% to 6% even if my board ? to keep as close to the minimum threshold, to avoid problems of high fluidity?.
then in doing so you will notice that often you may need to prefer a best CO instead? a better equilibration of the throttle bodies, acting in the registration of the co on the screws the air flow rate as with the trimmer sposteresti the carburation at the same time and the same value for both cylinders
maximumwarp
07-05-2014, 15:29
In any case, I seem to understand that, without the possibility? to analyze exhaust gas, ? useless for me start your own in the regulation of CO only through ELM327 and JPDiag, right?
Better if I leave everything the com'? and, if you notice problems, I do I do I do in the workshop? According to you how much you may ask?
I raise my hands Ducati 83 :), your words do not make a crease!
I meant to say that the only trimmer, electronic without a gas tester that will show you how to move it, for rientare in the correct range (3-6%), we do a little! Not knowing where to start I had written in putting myself in the shoes of maximumwarp, not having the gastester available!
Thanks for the timely and accurate explanations Ducati83!
hello dirdan what you said I did not understand, or better not to ? correct:which means do not fix the real CO?
it is certain that the fix, otherwise how will you do it?
certainly should be, first of all, balance the throttle bodies in sync and bring the air and then fine tune the CO with the trimmer, electronic.the fact of not knowing where you part what does it mean?sure that you know where to party, attacks the analysis tool and see that you and them do all the operations necessary to obtain a CO correct that in the case of the ducati goes from a 3% to 6% even if my board ? to keep as close to the minimum threshold, to avoid problems of high fluidity?.
then in doing so you will notice that often you may need to prefer a best CO instead? a better equilibration of the throttle bodies, acting in the registration of the co on the screws the air flow rate as with the trimmer sposteresti the carburation at the same time and the same value for both cylinders
In Ducati in my part, for the control of a normally ask around€70!
In any case, I seem to understand that, without the possibility? to analyze exhaust gas, ? useless for me start your own in the regulation of CO only through ELM327 and JPDiag, right?
Better if I leave everything the com'? and, if you notice problems, I do I do I do in the workshop? According to you how much you may ask?
ducati83
07-05-2014, 16:16
Dirdan now ? it's all clear to me...seemed strange to me that I had said....
yes I agree with you, prices range from 50(very honest) to 120(do vobis)....also I want to reiterate that without the analyzer, we do not make much....but if you want to....by analyzing the color of the candles you would understand if the bike ? lean or rich....provided that at least use a vacuum gauge to sync the throttle bodies.....
of course, the method of the candle as for the carbs no ? absurd and not very different from the final result....certainly you will not have the two CO-equal,but it sure is in the right direction.....
Of course, my advice ? to not run lean...especially at low revs(I mean laps from the Sunday ride) the damage, if it is too lean can result, anyway.....
at this point, mounts, exhaust, runs and checks before all scoppietti at the time of release, and then, as stated, the color candles....if it is too white go immediately to let you adjust the CO,otherwise you can also wait for the next coupon....provided that the motion is not saws and is smooth....
maximumwarp
07-05-2014, 18:10
Dirdan now ? it's all clear to me...seemed strange to me that I had said....
yes I agree with you, prices range from 50(very honest) to 120(do vobis)....also I want to reiterate that without the analyzer, we do not make much....but if you want to....by analyzing the color of the candles you would understand if the bike ? lean or rich....provided that at least use a vacuum gauge to sync the throttle bodies.....
of course, the method of the candle as for the carbs no ? absurd and not very different from the final result....certainly you will not have the two CO-equal,but it sure is in the right direction.....
Of course, my advice ? to not run lean...especially at low revs(I mean laps from the Sunday ride) the damage, if it is too lean can result, anyway.....
at this point, mounts, exhaust, runs and checks before all scoppietti at the time of release, and then, as stated, the color candles....if it is too white go immediately to let you adjust the CO,otherwise you can also wait for the next coupon....provided that the motion is not saws and is smooth....
OK, very thanks 1000 for the clarification! ;)
Guys, the Ducati and info on their maintenance and other have you ever taken a look at the desmodromic*****? According to me ? made very well and has practices photo guides of all.
M999
Very true! I check it often ? a great portal for info and maintenance Ducati!
Guys, the Ducati and info on their maintenance and other have you ever taken a look at the desmodromic*****? According to me ? made very well and has practices photo guides of all.
M999
Before I lose again, I am always asked if it was feasible to adjust the Co, when necessary, after you have replaced the ECU, for example, to go from a stock to racing as the DP, enable the control of the lambda in the map DP. Then change the map DP with lambda active, mount it on the bike and see what rule CO. It should adjust automatically? If this happens, you could then disable the lambda and reset cn JPdiag the co bed with lambda active?
One account ? the stoichiometric value read from a lambda, an account of the adjustment of the Co. The stock lambda law of the values that are to be deployed to the logic of the ecu on a specific map that serves everything except to have performance, you need it to fit in the parameters antipollution and nothing else. Of the facts, of series, they are skinny!
The Co and TPS adjust when you change/map the Marelli control unit (no Co map ori and lambda is active), it takes a little, and the bike is working well. But why? to complicate your life with activations/deactivations, unmount, remount...
M999
I would see a solution to adjust the CO in the house :), just thinking about the behavior of the original, which, thanks to the lambda which tells the ecu how to intervene on the co.
One account ? the stoichiometric value read from a lambda, an account of the adjustment of the Co. The stock lambda law of the values that are to be deployed to the logic of the ecu on a specific map that serves everything except to have performance, you need it to fit in the parameters antipollution and nothing else. Of the facts, of series, they are skinny!
The Co and TPS adjust when you change/map the Marelli control unit (no Co map ori and lambda is active), it takes a little, and the bike is working well. But why? to complicate your life with activations/deactivations, unmount, remount...
M999
maximumwarp
08-05-2014, 18:01
Slightly OT the forum...
At this point, reading your post on adjusting the CO it comes naturally to me to redo a question that I have already made? a few days ago: 'since? I have reprogrammed the ecu with a mapping DP, I understood that ? duty to reset the TPS and adjust the CO; as I have already? written reset the TPS I did it thanks to JPDiag and ? a simple thing but, not having the necessary equipment, I can not set the CO. The bike seems to go well but according to you I can keep going cos? or ? better if I put back the original mapping (not being able to adjust the CO)? What andrei meeting turning up in this situation? I repeat that ulla bike I have the stock exhaust but the pipes Arrow free of the lambda probe.
Guys, sorry, but we're going too OT. Here we are talking about electronics that is applied to the ECU, no tuning of the bike. There's so much to say and explain, but not ? n? the board adapts to this.
M999
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