What you can pull off?

[IlCurioso]

Hi to all guys! I wanted to ask you a simple question, what is pu? pull out a map on a motor multipoint petrol? I knew that on a petrol engine, naturally aspirated not you can pull off a granch? without the need to intervene on the mechanical components of the motoremtipo camshaft, exhaust etc etc... am I wrong, or substantially ? the truth?? Some time ago a remapper in the area told me that you can pull out a lot from an engine to benza. According to me he wanted to draw pretty pennies to the poor unfortunate. I have tested the car before and after the mapping, but it seems to me that both improved nothing... Then I tried it for a few hundred meters before and after, and of course I have not expressed any opinion on the customer. What do you say? Considered that ? a punto 1.2 16V then not ? that is a monster of power, but to feel the mapper would become with his interevnto. However, my question is not about the specific case of the point, but the speech in general on gasoline. Thanks again!

[alfetta80]

what you are saying is right on gasoline engines aspirated from the map you can derive very little if then after and joined the changes in mechanical already the subject change....hello

[IlCurioso]

Thanks for the quick response!!!

[carlo abarth]

to engines will become monsters of power if you process motoristicamente manage to pull it over 150hp..consider the source are already 100cv!!!!!!coupled with a good mapping!!
Hi to all guys! I wanted to ask you a simple question, what is pu? pull out a map on a motor multipoint petrol? I knew that on a petrol engine, naturally aspirated not you can pull off a granch? without the need to intervene on the mechanical components of the motoremtipo camshaft, exhaust etc etc... am I wrong, or substantially ? the truth?? Some time ago a remapper in the area told me that you can pull out a lot from an engine to benza. According to me he wanted to draw pretty pennies to the poor unfortunate. I have tested the car before and after the mapping, but it seems to me that both improved nothing... Then I tried it for a few hundred meters before and after, and of course I have not expressed any opinion on the customer. What do you say? Considered that ? a punto 1.2 16V then not ? that is a monster of power, but to feel the mapper would become with his interevnto. However, my question is not about the specific case of the point, but the speech in general on gasoline. Thanks again!

[Riccardo#28]

to engines will become monsters of power if you process motoristicamente manage to pull it over 150hp..consider the source are already 100cv!!!!!!coupled with a good mapping!!
in that sense they originally already? 100 hp?
as pu? do the 1.2 8v, mounted for example on the fiat 500 with a single mapping?

[msport (exil77grande)]

in that sense they originally already? 100 hp?
as pu? do the 1.2 8v, mounted for example on the fiat 500 with a single mapping?

many times they ask me to remap these engines and since I am a serious person, I refuse to let her seen that the increase is almost zero if you are talking about only remapping.

[ion]

in that sense they originally already? 100 hp?
as pu? do the 1.2 8v, mounted for example on the fiat 500 with a single mapping?

Practically nothing !
I tried to map my Panda (with similar engine) in different steps of the test and you get a thread of grit into the pi? to the medes and pi? leaned the high speed (in the speed up to 4', then the engine sits the same), but only by holding it very revved up. You should make hardware work, starting by cams with crossing different. It's not worth mapping them from the original...

[IlCurioso]

Then a taken for a ride! And anyone who says they dramatically increase the performance ? a caxxaro! As I thought! Thanks!

[jolidj]

on the 1.2 16 something take it. but on the 8v, nothing.

[faberecu]

however, it also improves 8v , but put it on the counter a point or panda or similar , for 5 hp and a lot of money to the customer ? willing,
16 with cams and a further 100 jobs , a lot of money and time 135 hp at 8500 rpm, not extreme , land, and extends to the 9200 , but below ? mortino , 150 hp possible , with other money , con-rods h , the pistons printed , etc , but not easy to get , with safety, mechanical tappets , springs , valves, and all as a f1

[matech]

? a common place that the naturally aspirated engine can't enjoy improvements if mapped.

The problem ? most of the "local" does not want to spend time to be able to let them go, or even worse, not have the slightest idea of how it is done; and then, hats off to honesty? moral, better to let it go. A petrol-naturally aspirated or turbo not ? as a turbo diesel, that can make them "go" unable....

I sincerely about the little 1.2 8v or 16v, I have always gotten decent results in terms of at least improvement of guidabilit?: on modern engines often c'? a big hole pair in the bottom that makes them ugly to drive. Always on the fiat, I have often found good margins of improvement of the consumption: I had a 1.2 16v that are arrived at 15km/l, compared to 13 of the series!

Speaking of airspaces more generous or engines rated to sportivit?, there are also good edge performance. But what ? difficult to explain ? the 5-10cv that you can pull off are nothing compared to the couple and how ? spread in the speed of rotation!
Just look at how they change the engines using the maps for renault/citroen/peugeot sport, and who are still maps with good margins of improvement!

To conclude, most of the naturally aspirated engine that I made were gi? "mapped", in the same way as you map a diesel, and customers have not yet had the opportunity to be satisfied.

Just spend the money and invest in the files, right :-D

[ion]

Perhaps we have not understood: the margins of improvement, there are almost always but the PERFORMANCE/COST ratio no.
Everything here.
If you do it to your car or someone does it for free also take 3 hp is fine, pay money to have anyway made modest (I don't say anything, but surely very minor in comparison to the turbo of any kind) do a few, and, in special cases, maybe...
;)

[matech]

Clearly the person X who considers your engine, without distinction, if diesel petrol turbo or naturally aspirated, sees a relationship between cost and performance useless compared to earnings of a diesel.

But why? once the carburatoristi that they were able to bring out the roar in the most from a simple aspirate a few hp were pi? that fashion, and now these things are not taken into account?

I repeat, finch? do we denigrate the operation to our clients, these can never be convinced of the intervention. I am enough of petrol aspirated, and the improvement of the guidabilit? very often ? pi? that is sufficient to justify the operation.


Have you ever had clients with the punto evo 1.4 bifuel who complain that the engine has a response delay so high that often in the departures pu? die?

[ion]

If you have clients that understand the cmq little difference and pay the right, for what's best for you...
I have friends that when a Bravo mjet 120 hp after mapping goes bad the 150 complain not to notice almost enhancements !
;-)

[matech]

There is no right to ignorance ;-D

[alfonsoh]

sorry that maps you can tap on these engines? only the pedal and advance?

[matech]

depends on the engine you're talking about, or rather by the type of management!

For example, gi? in the fiat group, you can find electronic marelli, bosch, and things change a bit....

[alfonsoh]

depends on the engine you're talking about, or rather by the type of management!

For example, gi? in the fiat group, you can find electronic marelli, bosch, and things change a bit....

yes, sorry I am talking about the 1.2 8v type grande punto panda ypsilon 500 marelli 5sf3 5sf8 5sf9 or 49f 59f marelli iaw
but, in general, pegeot citroen sagem2000 sagem3000
but I also believe the bosch motronic
on these over that advance and pedal unless you change the motor components other maps, there are...
I think that in general the maps from the tap will not change, unless the cars are supercharged or turbo direct injection, which are a whole other story.....


I'm here to learn if someone can? explain to me I would make a great favor!
why? then on ecm titanium maps on petrol aspirated there are only maps in advance and injection zoned that would be the deal? gas injected based on the suction pressure. then, there was nothing else..... I know that there are also maps the pedal, you can easily find them in the drivers of the cars turbo-petrol but on aspirates is not anything unless you have the damos or software very very expensive.
I'd like to do a course or have a tutorial on gasoline sucked!

[faberecu]

rule no. 1 lambda value 0,89 , rule n2 test bench braked , 3 a long time... horses on many of the a few, a couple good, on the other better... a lot of work a few horses, but good result, however, is not proportional cost/performance, but to change the machine's coast +
if you then change the cams, jobs, head , valves, connecting rods , balance rotating mass , in short, a complete processing of the power unit: turns

[matech]

fiat with the IAW I got beautiful differences at low/mid rpm working a lot on the advance: from the old 18F up to 59F and 5SF.

Peugeot citroen the speech ? similar, and when you have a ME7 or something recently to work on it, maybe things are better...