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luca_evo90
07-01-2014, 07:37
Hello all as the title I did remap my 159 to give it a p? brio and consume less in the pi? I did close the egr and dpf delete only that ? still mounted st? waiting for the straight tube, the machine runs better and uses less power even if it is with straight pipes you svuoter?.My questions are: ? lawful to ask for the file of the remap?are too many 360 euros that I paid for the job?since that's not ? been rolled non-s? how many hp has taken but the trainer said 5-6 ? can understand how many hp has eye caome he says?
Thanks in advance.
Ps:it seems To me has taken on a pi? 5-6 horses.
On that machine get more? 5-6 horses for sure, and I don't think that gives you the mapped file, even if you ask someone who has done the job. For the price I don't think so, I think that is the right for a complete job, then you should see the com'? the state did the job....
luca_evo90
07-01-2014, 11:24
I heard it recently and told me that me sending him on the **** later today.Maybe as soon as I get the place cos? we take a look at you.I would like to know if the mass air flow sensor you can? exclude in the unit
ducati83
07-01-2014, 11:44
if it is a specialist centre I think it's a fair price....even if seeing the work you must do seems trivial....but it was around the price ? what.....
for the type of work done then it depends on the experience of the person doing it.....
I am not convinced to continue to walk with the dpf mounted after it is excluded from the ecu.....eye
voglioimparare
07-01-2014, 11:46
Hello all as the title I did remap my 159 to give it a p? brio and consume less in the pi? I did close the egr and dpf delete only that ? still mounted st? waiting for the straight tube, the machine runs better and uses less power even if it is with straight pipes you svuoter?.My questions are: ? lawful to ask for the file of the remap?are too many 360 euros that I paid for the job?since that's not ? been rolled non-s? how many hp has taken but the trainer said 5-6 ? can understand how many hp has eye caome he says?
Thanks in advance.
Ps:it seems To me has taken on a pi? 5-6 horses.
360 euro only for removal in the software or including pipe replacement and installation? only x the removal of the filter without the map,not just a few here... anyway, after you put the tube replacement fap,you will not feel any drop in performance nor holes at low revs... feel the difference if you remove the precat as the hole of the delivery..
luca_evo90
07-01-2014, 12:12
With 360 euro has made me remapping 5 6 cv dpf delete only in the electronic control unit and closing the egr in the ecu.
I have only to get the straight tube
The unit has mapped out a guy who works in own but through the workshop alpha*****s, I ordered the intake obd2 to see among other things, if the egr ? closed.for the dpf, I believe that with the straight tube if you regenerate you will see
ducati83
07-01-2014, 12:40
sorry if it has been deleted do not need to regenerate, and here is what I said that is not right....why? sooner or later clogs and they do damage.....
then if the delete is not ? well-done part of the regeneration also not having to physically dpf nothing happens but did not ? a job well done....
and anyway, I start to have doubts on the quality? of work:you make the map with the removal of the dpf without removing it physically and let you go away?
boh!!!!
Well let's just say that really? what you did not ? a remap classic but an optimization of the power delivery and the removal of fap and closing the egr. Let's say that with a figure similar to me have removed the dpf egr and the map from 30cv
luca_evo90
07-01-2014, 14:00
Perhaps I explained it badly I,the remapping ? been made and you feel it,the machine goes to the pi? in addition, I did remove the regeneration of the dpf and closing the egr around electronically do I need to mount the tube straight and just, the regeneration does not make? why? I made it exclude,the day after the remap I stopped the car, just because? I was afraid to plug the dpf since it should not pi? to regenerate it.
C'? a way to see if the dpf ? excluded?the type today sends me the file by can you please tell me if ? everything ok?
I do not s? how many horses I have taken why? not ? was rolled certain I feel that goes to the pi?,the guy who mapped it says that the avr? taken 5 of 6 horses, and if I put more? horses then consumes the most?
ducati83
07-01-2014, 14:49
ok now ? everything more clear....
I think that just posting the file you will be able to get answers from the experts of the forum.....
luca_evo90
07-01-2014, 15:12
Later this evening the place,how do I know if ? actually my?
ducati83
07-01-2014, 18:59
by comparing with the original file, or what you read from the drive....
or with a diagnosis so to see hw and sw if they match....
The price is good. And according to me is wrong as well to give the file. Between courses, tools and various risks unless I believe that you can't? to do a job like that..at least I think so?...
luca_evo90
07-01-2014, 21:29
by comparing with the original file, or what you read from the drive....
or with a diagnosis so to see hw and sw if they match....
I do not own anything I only ordered the outlet obd2 Bluetooth and I don't know if with this you can? see,sorry but I don't understand anything electronic.what are the hw and sw?
I got it but I paid 360 euro 1/4 of my salary and not s? how many horses I have taken non-s? if from one moment to the other I break the turbine or the clutch not? if you regenerate or less non-s? nothing... the avr? at least the right to know what I have under the c... or no???Here in this city? m.... not c'? even a tour
I understood that ? 1/4 of salary but, in my opinion, mapping more than 1 art (and, as such, must be paid) not ? a primary need! The machines are good even without the map...if you make a wrong map and we burn a clutch, broke off a turbine..they are pain-free! The customer can't tell tales about. Then corregetemi if I'm wrong... I unfortunately think cos
luca_evo90
08-01-2014, 08:29
Let's say that on a 159 120 hp ? a need.Seen that c'? the possibility? to do damage ? 's important to know what you're doing, and saw that the machine does not ? been rolled pretend the file to see what st? leading what are its limitations and what's potential?.If I had to do damage? then the other files that I reward you all with the intereressi
C'? someone on the forum ? civitavecchia?or nearby tarquinia,viterbo, santa marinella,santa severa,rome,lazio, cerveteri??
Right. If smashes pay the preparer even if cn the file can not know the precise qnt horses. You can't roll the file.
luca_evo90
08-01-2014, 10:18
And who guarantees me that I pay?but do you know ? all ok and together with the trainer to adjust some of the parameters on the basis of performance, consumption and supply.
msport (exil77grande)
09-01-2014, 23:54
Let's say that on a 159 120 hp ? a need.Seen that c'? the possibility? to do damage ? 's important to know what you're doing, and saw that the machine does not ? been rolled pretend the file to see what st? leading what are its limitations and what's potential?.If I had to do damage? then the other files that I reward you all with the intereressi
C'? someone on the forum ? civitavecchia?or nearby tarquinia,viterbo, santa marinella,santa severa,rome,lazio, cerveteri??
if you have fever and go to a doctor you trust him and do what he says and how he says if you want to delete the dpf and do a remapping of you to entrust a preparer and the only thing you need to do and understand to the skin if the machine behaves in a regular way than before, for example, feel whistle in an excessive way the turbine?
when you accelerate lunge with high gears at low revs feel vibration of the flywheel or slipping the clutch?
if you pull a gear type 4 up to 4500 rpm or exceed the speed of 180kmh you have a recovery?
the machine makes a lot of smoke during a starting rocket or even continuously with the pedal all down?
well if you notice any of these cases you already have some calibration problem that you may very well resolve by changing the right parameters with the right policy, but if you do not notice any of these problems you're on the right track, but, of course, to give a personal opinion you have, the less you post the modified file to the rest of you're making too many problems,one last thing, I think I have read more than once that you have written that the mapping was increased to get about 5-6cv but the what and the how strange because even a beginner completely wrong policy, and, of course, sensa reliability can earn 15cv.
luca_evo90
10-01-2014, 07:36
Nothing of all this,to 180 km / h there I went again, and then I don't know,just yesterday I ? got the tube straight today the world and I try to the bottom.
He sent me the **** with the file but my phone not me the is open not s? why?,however, this evening I try with the pc from the house and the place.
luca_evo90
10-01-2014, 21:59
No it's not? how do I open the file with winzip it opens it but does not ? definitely the right way,if I can? to give his **** in private, I send the file.Thanks.
msport (exil77grande)
10-01-2014, 22:56
No it's not? how do I open the file with winzip it opens it but does not ? definitely the right way,if I can? to give his **** in private, I send the file.Thanks.
sorry I can't post it here in the discussion?
luca_evo90
14-01-2014, 09:09
The file that you sent to me ? been processed, read, and written with instrumentation dimsport someone in the pu? open??
if I put them in places you can't of course...
of course, them to you in an avr? data cryptati..
angelus.d87
14-01-2014, 16:33
In fact, x a remapping light
well, 5-6cv not seem to me to be a remapping. These engines can give you waaay more?, trusted!!!
angelus.d87
14-01-2014, 16:57
I know exactly say ke has paid a lot according to what he has done
not to speak badly of someone, but for me, for 360,00? the car I must ride in 3? march at least!! For this I approached the chip tuning: I like to customize the behavior of my car!!!
not to again put the finger in the wound, but to a friend I've disabled the egr to a Chroma mjt 120cv FREE!!!! But he was a friend, but as a job, in my opinion 50,00? or 100,00? max are more? that's enough for a job like this
eobdexpression
14-01-2014, 18:32
I think that if a job needs to be done with the policy you must meet the requirements of the customer that pays you without exaggeration, nothing for? not for the fact that the machine should be original why? a remap and still a remap and responsibilities? there are many in addition to the fact of combine damage as a lot of people that do not understand a bat and make mappings for 50 euros and then screwed the motors or components of an engine and then have pain
msport (exil77grande)
14-01-2014, 23:01
if I put them in places you can't of course...
of course, them to you in an avr? data cryptati..
unfortunately, the file is incomprehensible then encrypted,for the rest we avoid off topic.
luca_evo90
15-01-2014, 09:02
not to speak badly of someone, but for me, for 360,00? the car I must ride in 3? march at least!! For this I approached the chip tuning: I like to customize the behavior of my car!!!
not to again put the finger in the wound, but to a friend I've disabled the egr to a Chroma mjt 120cv FREE!!!! But he was a friend, but as a job, in my opinion 50,00? or 100,00? max are more? that's enough for a job like this
I guarantee you that the car goes strong has not given me problems, recovery, or vibrations, strange smoke and conruma less I wanted to only post the map with a question of my tranquility? and why? I have a lot of confidence in this forum then I would have felt more? quiet around here.
And then ? was closed egr and dpf deleted in addition to the rimappattra light anyway ? been dictated by me since I asked for a lowering of the consumption
According to me, no ? as it says in cerbino, why? if ? your profession you discounts to those prices for a complete work, though ? a machine say easy to manage. The quality? the work feels and according to me it would be paid for the right. Then the important ? that the customer is satisfied with the performance.
ducati83
15-01-2014, 11:20
definitely some cars work ? very simple compared to the other, and then the price can? seem exaggerated for? those who live only that it must work on any risks during the mapping, that can always happen out of nothing ? certain.....
then there are around so many mechanics that maybe for the money and for the passion you bring to do the maps without a lot of cognition of what they actually do and also take 150€.....for? of course, you never get a job done as it should and if the car then okay could be better....
I'm not a remapper of the profession, in fact I put hands on my car and on some I can't say no, but from my point of view the work done well ? what after the change, and the mass was the switch to roll it on the counter. And in this case it seems to me that it was done! Then 5-6 hp is not for me a remapping,but a change of the torque output. In practice ? been changed only the torque limiter according to me. Then I am not anyone to judge!
ducati83
15-01-2014, 11:38
I only say that anyone who is to work, must have a price list....that is simple or difficult the ecu in question....then, I believe that if one is an anti-tuning will ask you to just delete the egr, or a complete map of the procedure ? the same and knowing what you need to do on the ecu, you can't ask for 50€ with the risks that you take....you need to be clear with the client and explain things well...
panterargento
15-01-2014, 12:56
I guarantee you that the car goes strong has not given me problems, recovery, or vibrations, strange smoke and conruma less I wanted to only post the map with a question of my tranquility? and why? I have a lot of confidence in this forum then I would have felt more? quiet around here.
If you are so curious by what you have done and you want to remove the bad thoughts, then not c'? to do that to get an interface that will give you the chance? read the map and then post it.
You may also contact the online store x of that.
if I were you scaricherei the map, and I'd review!!!
eobdexpression
16-01-2014, 02:23
Instead I would try to buy a tool to read and write the ecu of your car for example if you want to take a programmer that does not cost you as much, you can buy a mpps or galletto 1260, read ecu data cos? maybe the file read you the keep download, or maybe on the forum, someone from the ori having the data of the hw and sw and try to make do with recommendations for a map to conforntare the trend of the vetura you have now and cos? see a p? the performance difference that you have between now and after
msport (exil77grande)
05-03-2014, 10:07
not to speak badly of someone, but for me, for 360,00€ the car I must ride in 3? march at least!! For this I approached the chip tuning: I like to customize the behavior of my car!!!
not to again put the finger in the wound, but to a friend I've disabled the egr to a Chroma mjt 120cv FREE!!!! But he was a friend, but as a job, in my opinion 50,00€ 100,00€ max are more? that's enough for a job like this
of course you do not have more than 10.000€ of equipment to do this job,of course you do not pay 2.500€ per year, to continuously update this equipment,of course you do not spend an average of 1000€ per year for an update, and of course, not by 1/3 of what you earn to the state because if you were,you were, and spedevi as described above when you asked for an exclusion egr as a minimum partivi from 100€ and for a remap,egr delete,dpf delete, then I wanted to see if you seemed to be too many 360€,possibly in those 360€ has earned us well in the workshop in which he called the guy, and then see what remains,many of you are convinced that the world of the chiptuning is a mpps from 80€ and the time and the titanium found on the net for free,then when you do damage, and blocked the units I want to see what you think,that is, in a few words before judging a work examined well everything that is around us.
briefly : the work of the other ? always pi? easy my.
if the client has trimmed 360,00€? satisfied you already? wrong from the start. Then you have to see if the one who made the map ? one who spends a lot of money for updates and more, or purchase chinese material. And then I said that I evaluate the work of others, all free, I gave only a personal opinion!!!
of course you do not have more than 10,000? of equipment to do this job,obviously you do not pay the 2,500? the year to constantly upgrade this equipment,of course you do not spend an average of 1000? per year to catch up and obviously not by 1/3 of what you earn to the state, because if you were,you were, and spedevi as described above when you asked for an exclusion egr as a minimum partivi 100? and for a remap,delete the egr,deleting the dpf then I wanted to see if you seemed to be too many 360?,possibly in those 360? we gained well as the workshop that he called the guy, and then see what's left,many of you are convinced that the world of chiptuning and mpps from the 80's? and the time and the titanium found on the net for free,then when you do damage and blocked the units I want to see what you think,that is, in a few words, before judging a work examine well everything that is around us.
I agree fully with what it says msport...! And of those that have that idea and we improvise, ? full each city? in Italy...
legendaryslave
05-03-2014, 14:11
not to speak badly of someone, but for me, for 360,00? the car I must ride in 3? march at least!! For this I approached the chip tuning: I like to customize the behavior of my car!!!
not to again put the finger in the wound, but to a friend I've disabled the egr to a Chroma mjt 120cv FREE!!!! But he was a friend, but as a job, in my opinion 50,00? or 100,00? max are more? that's enough for a job like this
if you work under the house with the clones reminds us that instead of us professionals, we must give 70 percent to the state and then made 2conti
excuse the off-topic, but certain things make me incacchiare
159sportwagon
05-03-2014, 21:12
I also think like Msport and legendaryslave. Here in Germany you take a minimum of 300 euro only for the cv's in the pi? without the dpf off. If you make the tricore you have to spend 450 euros - 700 euros . If you take 50 euro per car as you want to recover at least the updates.
baraldino
05-03-2014, 22:06
Only those who have a activity, equipment official and pay taxes can? afford to talk about prices who does it for a hobby ? I better shut up
I shut down the off topic
here, the talk of remapping if I'm not mistaken, and according to me if I go to a profassionista to remap the car, and spend 360,00 € (and I hope with the invoice, but very rare, so that I shut up! and on the bench the drive records 6 hp more?, according to me ? a theft. It is my personal opinion and in theory we are still in a democracy, even if you would not say! Then if someone is affected ? a problem of his own.
legendaryslave
06-03-2014, 00:05
here, the talk of remapping if I'm not mistaken, and according to me if I go to a profassionista to remap the car, and spend 360,00 € (and I hope with the invoice, but very rare, so that I shut up! and on the bench the drive records 6 hp more?, according to me ? a theft. It is my personal opinion and in theory we are still in a democracy, even if you would not say! Then if someone is affected ? a problem of his own.
with this I agree with you if the trader ? good or not, and applies to all activities ? works, but don't come here saying I did better, for 100 euro and you definitely don't do it as main work, but to round off, even I just make the mapper, but I died of hunger but ? a field of my activity
not ? clear a detail, I don't rimappo car to anyone, just on my perch? I like to customize the font of my car according to my needs. If I did some change to some friend ? state why? I could not refuse. But if I were to go to a professional to re-map the drive and spend 360,00 € on a car like the Alfa 156 mjet I expect at least read +20cv at the counter. I think that is right. Only + 6cv when with an add-on module do I get more?, it means that the remapper has only a "stroked" the map.
ducati83
06-03-2014, 13:30
? subjective opinion: I for example if I had to choose between 6cv, but the facts with the policy, and 150-200 € for a module, and 20cv sincerely I would choose the first, why? as to the reliability? has no price....trick the ecu the car is not ? the way to earn the horses....certainly the concept of pi? diesel pi? performance row and the maximum ? this is the way to get more performance,but if not made well in the long components all of the engine will suffer, and if you had to do 100k miles with the car doing less than half?, that's why? I prefer to spend as long as they put your hands and are prepared for duty....
I a few odd jobs I do it when I think I've understood and the diagnosis in hand...otherwise on expensive cars or strange requests, I turn to a pro...also why? the mapper does not ? my work...I do the mechanical part...
msport (exil77grande)
15-03-2014, 19:26
if the client has trimmed 360,00€? satisfied you already? wrong from the start. Then you have to see if the one who made the map ? one who spends a lot of money for updates and more, or purchase chinese material. And then I said that I evaluate the work of others, all free, I gave only a personal opinion!!!
if you are not satisfied with it why not go back to who did the work?
msport (exil77grande)
15-03-2014, 19:36
here, the talk of remapping if I'm not mistaken, and according to me if I go to a profassionista to remap the car, and spend 360,00 € (and I hope with the invoice, but very rare, so that I shut up! and on the bench the drive records 6 hp more?, according to me ? a theft. It is my personal opinion and in theory we are still in a democracy, even if you would not say! Then if someone is affected ? a problem of his own.
invoice rare? instead, why not say how things are?
when you say to the customer + vat will respond:
BUT IT IS REQUIRED TO MAKE THE INVOICE? YOU CAN SAVE MONEY BY NOT DOING IT?
then don't say stupid things,the problem is neither democracy nor feel the problem is that people scompetente in the field as you are in the forums, and when she learns that with a cable to the chinese from 20€ and a sw crack can move 2 random things or to see a bit of smoke in the more convinced I know how to map, and that the professionals steal the money by asking for the due and then I would like to ask you to avoid certain unnecessary comments because people like you who do, and they speak so when you are in the c...and are almost in tears, the break my bones, you know?
Avventurandomi in this world, I have understood one thing: it's not ? the reputation or the price that makes you a mapper to determine the professional? the skill and talent. When you present a mapper nowadays asks you, without even knowing that says, "how many horses are we?" it Would be appropriate to turn on his heel and leave the pi? quickly as possible to avoid getting destroy the car. For how much experience can have a mapper could not? never say such a thing as not ? may first sound to know the actual gain of performance for each scheme only by modifying the file itself. And if he had done a great deal? units EQUAL sure he would have specified that the reliability? transmission and/or injection pu? be compromised if you go over a limit, provided that I know of.
ducati83
16-03-2014, 15:09
look I agree with msport in the sense that those of us who work with equipment ufficili programs official and doing courses to keep up to date, but especially to learn more about the car that will go? map I believe that there is a lot of difference to people like me who sometimes does some work...even if the pi? sometimes I do just to not create a mess because they not ? my field...and I can also say that you know certain things ? at the base of the alvoro......even if with cables from 50€ you can get the same things....for? a trader facing a problem you will not hold the car stationary for a week in case of any problem....while I for examples if the block the edc15....I have, as a minimum, rest 3 days...the time that a professional me to repair the damage....
then the expertise you pay for, on the contrary you must pay and there more?, if I can do any time of the jobs ? thanks to those people who take a lot of money for the same job....
then don't say stupid things....and greater than he who is of this world, his main work....we eat the children and their families....libel I see a real naughtiness...
from what I see the only one affected ? her. I gave a simple opinion, I joined this forum to learn more? of us? that coosco gi? and me ? happened to download maps made by "professionals" who were only given 25% of diesel in the pi? by 2000 rpm and then from 50% load then without touching anything else!!! Then I do not judge anyone, and I pretend not to be judged, why? I could be anyone, she doesn't know me!!!
invoice rare? instead, why not say how things are?
when you say to the customer + vat will respond:
BUT IT IS REQUIRED TO MAKE THE INVOICE? YOU CAN SAVE MONEY BY NOT DOING IT?
so we say stupid things,the problem is not the democracy they feel the problem is that people scompetente in the field as you is on the forums, and when she learns that with a chinese cable 20? and a sw crack able to move 2 things at the event or to see a little bit of smoke in the more convinced I know how to map, and that the professionals steal your money by asking the had to then I would like to ask to avoid certain unnecessary comments because people like you who do and speak so when you are in the c...and are almost in tears, the I crack the bones, you know?
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